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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: singlewhitemale on September 19, 2014, 06:53:42 PM
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Any VZ grips owners available to comment on the profile of the grips? Do they have the same contour as the stock rubber grips?
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No palm swell, just flat. There's a good pic of them versus stock versus aluminum somewhere on this forum.
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(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/19/1064b65ed39f7a46a6e15cd187335fd9.jpg)
Found that online and saved it for quick reference (hopefully the picture shows)...
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I put a set of VZ Frags on my 75B and found they didn't fit my hand very well. They are thin and very flat. I replaced them with the CZ Cocobolo grips and they feel better. The VZ grips did seem very tough and for someone with smaller to medium sized hands they probably work fine. The wood grips aren't as curvy as the plastic and rubber grips, though.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/21/yne9u3aj.jpg)
Flat but I like them...Frag grips in hyena brown
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I do not have experience with all the grips available for CZ but i have seen allot of them.
VZ grips are nice. I have been compelled to pick up a pair more than a few times. However the flat profile of VZ grips has kept me away from them so far.
One of the few after market options that mimic the stock plastic or rubber CZ grips that i have seen are Nill grips.
(http://i.imgur.com/Om53u1T.jpg)
http://www.mactecsales.com/nill_cz_pistols_s/1857.htm
It is still very hard to beat the ergonomics of the stock CZ grips. I have had to switch back to them from after market options more than a few times because i shoot better with the stock grips.
I would like to see more direct copy's of the stock plastic or rubber grips made from different materials and in different colors.
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VZ and other grip makers don't offer assymetrical grips, which is unfortunate. A little more palm swell on the weak hand side only would be a really big attraction for me.
Those VZs made with a small palm swell on the left--like the factory rubber grips or a little more--would make my thumbs forward grip stronger and easier to lock in.
Small hands.
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How about Marschal grips? Think you can get flat on one side with a swell on the other.
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One of the few after market options that mimic the stock plastic or rubber CZ grips that i have seen are Nill grips.
It is still very hard to beat the ergonomics of the stock CZ grips. I have had to switch back to them from after market options more than a few times because i shoot better with the stock grips.
I would like to see more direct copy's of the stock plastic or rubber grips made from different materials and in different colors.
Thanks Tok!
I'm 100% with you. I would love to see a firmer (wood, g10, whatever) grip that mirrors the ergos of the factory rubber grips, which are awesome no doubt. If I didn't have this strange tendency to hit the grip at an odd angle in my canted holster causing it to fold up just a little I wouldn't even bother looking.
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let me start by saying I have no experience with CCW due to my location it is not an option for me.
I am taking it the rubber material is the issue because it tends to catch on things.
These might work: PLASTIC GRIPS COMPACT
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/19101_Plastic-Grips-Compact
They seem smiler to the stock rubber compact grips in design but they are made of plastic. They also seam cost effective for experimentation. $19 before shipping. I have no personal experiences with these grips.
I like the Nill's allot. The fit an finish is exceptional. However i question how well they would hold up to CCW.
Nill's are oil finished walnut sealed with wax. Witch makes them more laborious to service and keep clean. I would not consider them cost effective at $120 ether.
Hope you find what you are looking for.
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The plastic compact grips, which are stock on the 75 Compact, will fit and have palm swells, but they are slippery. I replaced mine with VZ Frags. The thinner VZs are grippier and allow me to more comfortably ride the safety, which works better for me.
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I prefer the palm swells and ergos of the stock grips as well. I decided the rubber was kind of annoying with getting caught on clothing items, VZs were too thin for me, so I bought some plastic compact grips from CZ-USA:
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/19101_Plastic-Grips-Compact
I took some sandpaper and sanded down the polymids a bit so I had a smoother surface to stipple then I used my soldering iron and stippled them up. After I was done I hit them with some 1000grit sandpaper to get any high areas off and prevent clothing from grabbing (if carrying concealed). Now I have fantastic, hand-filling, grippy grips on my P-01. If you have any experience stippling, it's an easy job to do and took me all of an hour.
I'll take some pictures tonight if my slide is back from CGW (got mepros installed).
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Here's the pic:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5b1d334a.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5b1d334a.jpg.html)
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Looks like you did a good job on those Genin.
Thank you for posting the pic so we can all get a better handle on it.
I may have to try this when i pick up my PCR.
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Thank you Tok. I highly recommend doing it. It's a cheap fix and it feels great!
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NICE job Genin! That looks great.
I don't carry my 75B or Shadow, and only use them only for comp./practice range---or HD if they're handy. Right/strong hand can't reach the trigger AND the safety---it's either/or; and the thinnest possible grip on the strong side. My left hand is critical to a good locked in grip (75%+), so would prefer a little palm swell weak side to make the draw with a more consistently reliable grip. Now= Coarsest possible grip tape with Pro-Grip in the summer.
Whining is what it sounds like, but not meant that way. I know a CZ doesn't fit my strong hand, but no way I'm going to switch pistols. ::) ;D
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Thank you 1SOW! You should do strong side thin aluminum grip and weak hand side stippled plastic stock grips with palm swells. That would be bizarre looking but effective.
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Genin, those grips look great. How long did it take you to transform them?
I don't like the stock slippery plastic on my 82/83s, and am thinking about spraying them with truck bed liner.
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Skookum,
Thank you sir. They took me about an hour, maybe slightly more, to sand and stipple the pair.
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Genin, that is an awesome job and it sounds like the perfect solution. At $19 per try, I can afford to experiment a little with stippling. Thanks for the how-to, I'll give it a shot and report back.
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singlewhitemale,
Use the finest tip you can possible. Make sure you have good ventilation so you're not breathing stupid fumes for an hour. I'd advise you to do the outline of your borders first then go with a random pattern starting and stopping at different areas until you have it all filled in. I highly recommend stippling to anyone with practice you can get pretty darn good at it. I've now done many guns, knives, etc all for the hefty cost of an $8 soldering iron and some sweat. It's a great skill to have.
Here's what I mean about doing the outline first the filling in random:
This is a Glock19 Gen 3 that I was doing. You want to get the lines clean, notice how fine the dots are (you want to use a very fine tip for your iron):
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/010-12_zps577d37e9.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/010-12_zps577d37e9.jpg.html)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/013-8_zps958ce99a.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/013-8_zps958ce99a.jpg.html)
Start Filling the grip in more and more using quick taps of the iron (you should just see a puff of smoke):
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/016-5_zpsda0717d1.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/016-5_zpsda0717d1.jpg.html)
By using this technique and going from multiple angles you get a more natural looking stipple job since you didn't try for a specific patter or line:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/021-4_zps5f53c006.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/021-4_zps5f53c006.jpg.html)
Go slow and have some fun!!!! Heck I love doing stuff myself. I've been pricing out cerakote stuff recently but think I'll leave that to the pros.