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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ SP-01 and variants => Topic started by: robertbank on June 18, 2006, 08:29:56 AM

Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: robertbank on June 18, 2006, 08:29:56 AM
Reports of spotty quality control with the CP-01 are floating around the canadiangunutz forum.  MOst complaints revolve around the finish, sight allignment and trigger pull. I am considering buying one and would be interested to learn if it is hit and miss with this gun.  Option is to go for a 75B with docker.  My CZ 85 pre-B has been flawless.

Take Care

Bob
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on June 18, 2006, 08:33:58 AM
Sight alignment and trigger have been questioned in recent years.  If the gun doesn't shoot to point of aim, adjust the bleeped sights.  

Trigger problems seem to be a function of the "new" trigger design (which means a change in the sear/hammer interface).   Use seems to fix most of these problems.

That said, I've handled some "new" CZs in the past year or two that had nice triggers, but I've not seen or handled an SP-01.

Finish issues?  Haven't heard about them.  May be something new.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: Stuart on June 18, 2006, 09:49:01 AM
the five or six SP01s that have come through the shooters in our area...all have been perfect in the finish..evenly applied and nice to look at..

the triggers have been normal factory triggers..on the heavy side and some creep..same as every other brand I have seen..and sights were all close with factory ammo..

Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: chrisjohn on June 18, 2006, 10:19:58 AM
Handled two examples and own a third.  Finish was even on all three.  Sights were okay and trigger was like ever other factory trigger, not that hot when compared to a weapon that has a 150 dollar trigger job performed by an artist.  

The SP01 is a great platform.

I shot nearly all the available double stack modern 9x19 pistols that would fit into USPSA production class and the CZ won hands down.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: jimmy2 on June 18, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
The local gunshop has sold about a half-dozen SP-01's during the last few months. I looked each of them over carefully. The finish on all of them was excellent. Everyone who handled these guns was impressed by them, and they sold rather quickly. One customer bought one he liked so much he bought another!
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: CZinFLA on June 18, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
I just bought two SP-01's from Angus and the finish on both is excellent.  In fact I would say the overall fit and finish on both is excellent and I look forward to buying two Tactical Sport's in the very near future.


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Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: kinsco276 on June 19, 2006, 08:34:20 AM
I own two SP01's and a P01. The finish on all three are perfectly fine and the triggers are a little on the heavy side (as eerw said) with some creep. A trigger job takes all that away and they're perfectly fine afterward. I dont see any problems or issues yet and they're probably the best value for the money.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: kb8tq on June 19, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
Hi

Both my 75SP01 and 75BD shoot to point of aim with factory ammo. Finish on them is equally fine. Brand new the triggers are both in the needs work category. Neither trigger was better / worse out of the box. For all the gory details on my SP01 trigger theres a thread a bit below this one.

     Bob
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: mbott on June 19, 2006, 04:57:29 PM
I'll add that I can't confirm "spotty QC" with the one I received, either.  Trigger is a CZ trigger, but accuracy out of the box was top notch.  No finish issues at all.

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Mike
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: robertbank on June 19, 2006, 09:21:19 PM
Excellent!  My next purchase.

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Take Care

Bob
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: Scfish on June 20, 2006, 07:07:24 AM
I have a 3 month old SP01.  Finish seems perfect.  The trigger is much better than my 75B, but could be better.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: CZinFLA on June 20, 2006, 10:27:57 AM
I have never owned a gun that had a great factory trigger (except for maybe my S&W Model 41).  I look for fit and finish, and the SP-01's are great for that, and then worry about the triggers later.  It's to the point where I order my trigger parts before I even get the gun!  The ones I can't do myself I turn over to a competent gunsmith.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: Sportshooter on June 20, 2006, 01:12:01 PM
Hi

I bought my SP01 in august 05. Trigger was rough NIB but after a few 1000rds + a triggerjob it was fine, nothing for a future CZ-customer to worry about and really nothing to turn down a purchase for(!)

Sight allignment is good. With S&B 115gr its dead on @ 25m, and with S&B 124gr its  inch lower.

Fit is 100%, Ive shot 49p @ 25meters (onehanded without any support). The finish is 98%, it does have some "spots" in the finish on the dustcover. BUT I DONT CARE! Ive never owned such a reliable pistol before. I sold the King of pistols to get this one, Sig P210. Actually I had two P210, one 9mm and one .30Luger.

My SP01 is as accurate as / or more accurate then the Sigs, it fits my hand better and it holds 11 more rds per magazine. The Sigs had better triggers, thats all. And the CZ is waaaay more reliable than the Sigs! -With new springs, extractor and a reliable magazine the 9mm Sig never ran longer then 300-400rds before a malfunction. My CZ have 5500rds thru it and zero gun-related malfunctions.

My CZ gets 10 out of 10.

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Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: corey006 on June 21, 2006, 05:40:17 AM
I am regular on CanadianGunNutz too.  8)

I picked up my SP-01 this spring and I am quite pleased with it.  To be fair it was my first pistol purchase so I haven't alot of experience.

The trigger does get better with use.(I plan on getting mine done eventually)

The accuracy with mine is pretty close to bang on a 25 yards.

I have had only 1 FTE in almost 1000 rounds.(using re-manufactured ammo)

The finish on mine is great.  No flaws or blemishes of any kind.  The only thing...there are some "tooling" marks on the underside of the slide rail.  Not much of an issue because they are invisible when gun is assembled.

GREAT gun for the price...

Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: atblis on June 21, 2006, 11:48:32 AM
Finish seems normal

the triggers really do suck.

Great gun.

Good thing I have the power custom jig for it.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: milcaztra on June 22, 2006, 08:05:04 PM
I have two earlier production SP-01s, with two rail slots (rather than three).  Finish is very good, completely uniform throughout.  

One pistol has a very nice trigger, while the other had a noticeably heavier, grittier trigger.  I started with 15 lbs mainsprings, but went to 17 lbs springs after several misfires with S&B and department ammo with very hard primers.  (Many others had misfires with the same ammo during qualification.)  Both SP-01s have been lubed and dry-fired equally with snap caps, and both triggers have improved significantly with use, but the difference in trigger pulls between pistols remains.

Sights.  One pistol was perfect with aftermarket Meprolight night sights.  The other had a POI about 4-5" left at 15 yards.  I had to drift the rear sight noticeably off center to the right to compensate.  On close inspection, the front sight dovetail is slightly off center to the right.  It's not a significant problem, but it's one that I would have preferred not to have.

Overall, I still think that SP-01 is a good pistol for the money.  The rail specs have been tweaked and the night sight issue settled.  The trigger starts rough but smooths out overtime.  I'm not aware of finish problems.  The front sight dovetail being off midline may be an issue that CZ needs to address in quality control, but it's not a significant issue for me.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: atblis on June 23, 2006, 12:11:08 PM
I would have to agree that CZ's QC can be a bit spotty.  I've been lucky and gotten all decent ones.

Right now I've got a 40SW 75B that is nicer than any one I've seen yet.  Slide to frame is tight, slide to barrel is tight, sear to frame is tight.  Very few machining marks.  Awesome blueing.

I have seem some that just seem sloppier than usual (though they usually still work fine).
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: milcaztra on June 23, 2006, 08:35:55 PM
In a more practical sense, for home defense, the Beretta, Sig, Glocks, Hks, S&Ws, Colts, etc. stay in the safe; only one 1911 and an SP-01 with a light/laser are available for emergencies.  That's how much faith I have in these CZs despite any minor issues.

My favorite CZ is still the 85 Combat, of which I own two, both with buttery smooth triggers.  When the SP-01 comes out in .40, I'll definitely opt for the upgraded fire control parts.  I hope that the custom work will produce a trigger pull as good as my 85 Combats.  If so, the .40 SP-01 may supplant my 1911s, and the only remaining issue will be finding holsters.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: tobin1 on June 24, 2006, 08:14:35 AM
My experiences with the SP 01 have been mixed.  Accuracy and trigger pull were both issues for me.  I know the trigger pull will improve and I guess I will keep trying to find a load that shoots well in this particular gun.

I have had 2 other CZ's which have been stellar performers so I know the breed; my 75B SA in .40 was very very accurate and my old pre B 75 in 9mm has an fabulous trigger.
Title: Spotty Quality Control Issues
Post by: angus hobdell on June 29, 2006, 11:27:44 PM
Since the inception of the Sp01 we have worked on about 170 guns.
The general rule have been good fit and finish trigger as standard CZ 75, FPB not helping matters, Long hooks etc.
I ahve shot ALL of the guns that pass through, the worst 50 ft group I have evr shot was just over 1". (I have the targets) I normally find that the better the trigger  the better the roup (go figure) I have has some with 1 hole under .5" at 50 ft.
The general rule has been that they shoot good, I am not sure that I remember having any failure after changing the factory recoli spring for an 11lb the way we ship the gun.
MAybe I am biased, but 170 odd guns and a bunch of happy customers later........................
You only ahve to read the thread :D