Post by: Jack24Bauer on January 13, 2006, 12:08:19 PM
I need to know if exactely the SP01 has officially been admitted in the IDPA competitions
I have tried , also on the IDPA.com, to find a complete list of IDPA admitted firearms but I've not found it!
the IDPA is starting in Italy too and I'd like to get more informations I can
thanks
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on January 15, 2006, 07:35:11 AM
They sometimes respond.
If ENOUGH (total number) of the guns are made, and they fit in the IDPA box (a basic requirement), they'll probably be legal. There is a production limit (number) for SSP; I doubt there would be a problem for ESP.
Post by: Jack24Bauer on January 15, 2006, 01:24:35 PM
I have already written to IDPA but no answer! I have also requested if it exists an official comlete list of firearms admitted...I'l be waiting for news
I have herad the Sp01 has not been admitted yet in iDPA due the heavy over standard...I hope the situation will be going to change quickley
ciao!
Post by: ChuckS on January 16, 2006, 01:26:50 PM
The SP-01 weighs 1180 grams or ~41.62 oz. The weight limit for SSP is 39 oz. So, it's a no-go in SSP effective 25 January 2006. The limit for ESP is 43 oz. That leaves ~1.38 oz for the empty magazine. Last I heard is that Cz mags are around 3.0 oz so I guess we are SOL in ESP also. (It does present an opportunity for "race" mags, though ;-) )
Sorry,
Chuck
Edit 22FEB06: The owner's manual shows an 1180 weight for the SP-01 AND AN EMPTY MAG. That means the SP-01 should be OK, weight-wise, for ESP.
Post by: Jack24Bauer on January 16, 2006, 01:43:49 PM
unbelievable! I cannot undestand why CZ has not though regarding also the IDPA competition...I guess the CZ factory has produced the SP01 thinking also at the sporting and competition use of this gun...mainly in order to increase the customer target
I hope will be coming a changing soon maybe the rules could be modified
M
Post by: Tacblack on January 16, 2006, 11:33:49 PM
Post by: ChuckS on January 17, 2006, 09:24:48 AM
You should consider the fact that despite the "I" in IDPA, it's mostly a (small) US market. The SP-01 was designed for militay/LEO use. I think it is just coincidental that it turned out to be a good game gun. Cz supports IPSC quite well (right Angus?) and has specific models for that market. Bill Wilson's thing is just not very significant in the rest of the world. And I would not expect any rule changes any time soon. BW got quite a blast of s&*t over the last one!
Later,
Chuck
A1062 (retired)
Post by: Jack24Bauer on January 17, 2006, 02:01:44 PM
Post by: Stuart on January 17, 2006, 04:56:36 PM
Adam Tyc did shoot one at the IPSC World Shoot and won production division with Angus not far behind shooting a SP01..
but with IPSC and USPSA putting the SP01 on the approved list..CZ stopped making the Combat 2.. and with IPDA being only a very small percentage of the shooting handgun shooting sports, I would doubt they would change the SP01 anytime soon..but you never know..there are already a couple of different versions of the SP01 out...
Post by: toast on January 23, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
Post by: Tacblack on February 02, 2006, 05:18:47 PM
Post by: Unregistered(d) on February 09, 2006, 05:11:18 AM
Post by: ChuckS on February 22, 2006, 07:34:05 AM
Post by: Stuart on February 22, 2006, 08:22:40 AM
if it made weight in SSP ( 39ounces)..then it would be legal in ESP.
Post by: toast on February 28, 2006, 07:29:39 PM
Post by: Matthew Mink on March 01, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
So that means the SP-01 must be SSP compliant before it can be shot in ESP. I can get it close, but not under 39oz.
Post by: toast on March 02, 2006, 12:39:17 PM
How can IDPA allow this but also say light rails that are integral with the frame on only certain pistols are not allowed? If its a weight factor then why was the extra weight of the lights ok for this match?
Funny how the glock 34 is the single most popular gun used the at the last nationals. It seems that if I want to be competative I need to spend extra on one of those and then install 3.5# connector etc.
Ok, sorry, end of rant.
Post by: davbru on April 20, 2006, 06:40:20 AM
I' m Italian and I'd like to buy one CZ75 SP01 for IDPA competitions, but I'm a little confused reading this forum. I don't understand if CZ 75 SP01 is IDPA compliant or not. From the SP01 manual the weight is 1180 g. with one empty mag. Converting from g. to oz. the result is 41.62 oz and from the IDPA rules the max weight in ESP is 43. From this data I suppose that SP01 is IDPA compliant.
The difficult thing to understand is about the full length cover. I think that if the gun come from factory with full length cover, it is not possible to consider it one modification.
Someone have some news about that point: Is the SP01 IDPA compliant?
Post by: Stuart on April 20, 2006, 07:43:27 AM
I don't understand it..but that's what I have been told..
Post by: davbru on April 20, 2006, 09:51:03 AM
I found this text in the IDPA Role Book: "Guns that come with light rails straight from the factory may be used in IDPA competition AS LONG AS the gun still meets all division criteria. However, the light itself may not be used on the gun". In your opinion it is not possible to suppose that SP01 mount the rails from factory and it is not one modification to 75B model?
I think that when the IDPA role talk about modifications, it refer to privat modification not factory modifications.
What is your opinion about that?
Post by: Stuart on April 20, 2006, 03:00:51 PM
my understanding is from conversation with CZ-USA team members who have said they have had this discussion with IDPA..and the only way to for it be legal was if the gun could make weight in SSP..then it would be legal as a ESP gun..I really don't understand IDPA rulings.
right now my plan is to shoot a CZ40p that I just bought and waiting for in SSP.
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on April 20, 2006, 03:03:36 PM
You can check with the ASK ANGUS area to be sure. Angus and Matthew are both professional shooters and CZ employees.
I'm a long-time IDPA shooter, and I think its a stupid-as-hell rule... The CZ-97B is legal. The CZ-P01 is legal. Both have full-length dustcovers. One could argue that most Glocks have full-length dust covers.
And the weight limits are arbitrary.
Post by: CZinFLA on April 20, 2006, 06:01:07 PM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on April 20, 2006, 06:02:38 PM
Post by: CZinFLA on April 20, 2006, 07:11:18 PM
I am anxiously (but politely!) waiting for my two SP-01's from Angus. They will primarily be used for USPSA Production, but I was hoping for a little crossover to the other side as my local club really doesn't care.
I have been reading every posting on this board foir the last few weeks and I am really grateful for the amount of information being shared here. I hope to have a lot of positive input to add myself as I learn these new (to me) guns. I have had mixed successes with my Para LDA's, with difficulty with the exceptionally long stroke. As I go from 1911 to LDA I can't get away from short stroking the bleep things, so hopefully the DA/SA of the SP-01's will cure my illness.
Thanks to all so far!
.
Post by: Stuart on April 20, 2006, 07:33:04 PM
you won't have any problem...the SP01 is a dream to shoot..especially after getting one from Angus or Matt..
the DA first stroke is smooth ...and the SA will break really clean..there is a little of bit of takeup after the sear resets..but it is quick..
I think you will really like it..
Post by: CZinFLA on April 20, 2006, 07:51:35 PM
This year I am trying to "get back to basics" and I expect to shoot Production and Limited for the rest of the year. I also plan to get a Tactical Sport as well so as to stay with the same platform as much as possible.
We do a lot of shooting here in South Florida, just like the Arizona guys. 12 months a year, non-stop, so I definitely plan to put these things through their paces, bordering on abuse! I am getting stocked up on supplies, 30k primers, 10k brass, 20lbs powder, I just need to settle on the bullet. According to some of the posts Angus seems to like the 125's and others prefer the 147's. I've got a thousand of each to play with before ordering any bulk bullets. My 1050 is standing by, all I need are the guns.
Thanks again to all!
Post by: Stuart on April 20, 2006, 09:51:50 PM
Post by: CZinFLA on April 21, 2006, 08:01:03 AM
I think Area 8 as well. I will miss my Area 6 due to family commitments.
See ya' there!
Post by: robertbank on April 30, 2006, 07:45:40 AM
Take Care
Bob
Post by: Stuart on April 30, 2006, 07:53:38 AM
here is the thread on CZshooters..
www.czshooters.com/module...pic&t=1310 (http://www.czshooters.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1310)
by changing out to some 75b parts..you can get the gun to under the 39ounce weight limit..it takes starting with a 06 ( three rail slot ) SP01.
I took a current model 3 slot SP-01 DA/SA and did these things:
1. Replace the stock rubber grips with 75B plastic grips.
2. Replace the slide stop with 75B slide stop.
3. Replace the mainspring plug with a 75B mainspring plug.
4. Replace the flat wound recoil spring with a 75B wire wound spring. You can also use a Wolff spring.
5. Do not use the SP-01 magazine, use the older style 16rd 75B mags with the detents in the bottom of the tube.