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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: homebrewer on February 13, 2016, 01:53:24 PM
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I'm trying to find night sights that will work for my P07 Duty.
TruGlo and Meprolight both make night sights for the CZ75 "Series", whatever that means. I'm wondering if anyone on the forum knows for sure whether the Brite-site TFX model for CZ75 from TruGlo or one of the night sights from Meprolight will work with the Duty?
All I've found is a lot of contradictory "I think... As far as I know..." kind of information on the net but haven't been able to find anything definite. Some people say the front site on the CZ75 and PO7 Duty are the same and others not. I''ve never owned the modern CZ so I ave nothing to compare.
If neither of those work, does annyone know of a tritium sight that definitely DOES work? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
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As far as I know, the P07/09 use different sights than the 75/85 series (most of the non Omegas)
CZ USA carries metal night sights for the 07/09.
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/40344_Metal-Night-Sights-P07p09-4--6mm
These are #4's. They also have 3's & 2's. Not sure which you need.
They are out of stock on the 2 & 3's. Check CZ Custom also.
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Thanks for your replycntrydawwwg!
While, in some ways I like the idea of metal sights, those really don't look like they have much for visibility. While every CZ I've fired Pre-B 75, P07 Duty, RAMI are all very accurate out of the box, the stock sights pretty much ALL suck. Especially now that I''m heading into middle age, tritium really helps out in low light conditions. Has anyone tried these sights? Are they better than they look in the stock picture?
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I got mine (night sights) from CZ USA. Installed them and got lucky as it was sighted in still (same POI as with the plastic sights that came on my DUTY P07).
They are bright enough that when I lay it on the floor between the bed and the night stand when we visit my mom you can see the sights down there in the dark when you walk into the room.
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The P-07 elevation is adjusted with the front sight. Remove the front sight that is currently installed on your pistol and it should have a number on the underside. Order the correct number front sight set from CZ-USA in tritium and you should be good to go. These work for sure. I have them on My gen2 P-07 and they are great.
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I just joined this forum to answer this question once and for all. I have been in pursuit of night sights for my Gen 1 P07 for a long time and I keep getting conflicting information regarding your exact question...does the CZ 75 sight fit the P07? The answer is YES, they do in fact fit the P07, but with a few things to note.
I decided I'd go out on a limb and ordered the TruGlo TFX sights from Amazon. I just fitted them up yesterday (2/14/16) and I can confirm that both the front and rear drifted beautifully into place on my Gen 1 P07 with minimal efforts and ZERO shaving or modifications of the sights. That being said, there are two things to note. First, you must pull your factory front post and note the number under it. Being a first gen, my factory sight post is #1, meaning it is the lowest factory sight setting. This may be an issue as my factory sight post measures at 5mm (#1) and the Truglo sights are 5.5mm. Secondly, the rear sight sits slightly taller and rests just above my slide instead of sitting flush on the slide. It's not enough to snag on anything and it's not a lot, but it doesn't sit flush. This variance may actually level out my Point of Impact with the slightly taller front sight. I'm also confident this will not stress the sight, as they are machined metal and high quality. The only question is how this will effect my point of aim and point of impact. I will be going to the range this week to see what impact this change has. There's a good chance it has altered POI, but I won't know for sure until I run some rounds through it. I will post back with my experience. For what it's worth, I have TFO sights on my M&P Shield and they have been flawless through thousands of rounds. Best sights out there as far as I'm concerned. That's why I was willing to give this a try. Worst case scenario is if my POI is grossly off, I can always put my factory rear sights back on and leave the very awesome, very bright front post in place with only a slight change in POI. Again, I WILL post back this week with my results.
I know there are other options out there, but there are literally none that I could find for my #1 front sight. I am a huge fan and believer in the TruGlo system. The fiber optic inserts are very bright for daylight shooting and the Tritium is superb for night visibility. It's literally the best of both worlds. Provided I am within an inch or two of POA and POI at defensive distances, I would consider these a viable option. I am not doing competition shooting with my P07. I am not trying to stretch the distance, though I will measure distance shots and variance with POI. I will also post pictures as well. I use my P07 for CCW and home defense. I'm simply not reaching out to even 30 yards with it, but for this test, I will measure out 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, and 20 yards, though that is pushing it for precision firing. Any other requests?
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The thing is from the factory the elevation on P-07/P-09's is adjusted by using different height front sights. For the 75 series guns the rear sights are numbered and available in different heights. It will be interesting too see how your gun shoots now. The other thing is if that front sight doesn't fit real good and tight in the dovetail it will go flying off in short order under recoil. CZ addressed that issue by adding a set screw to the new P-07/P-09 sights.
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Thanks. I've actually read previous posts you've made that's educated me to the facts you stated. Thanks for that! It will certainly be interesting to see what happens. I plan on going to shoot Wednesday.
As for the fitment of the front sight, it is extremely snug as it is. It took a good deal of force (but not so much that I was concerned I was going to break the sight or slide)to tap it into place. The original plastic sight was significantly looser and I never had it move through several thousand rounds. I had intentions of at least using some Lock-Tite but it doesn't strike me as necessary. I'll run a few hundred rounds through it and see if I have any movement. I'll be reporting back soon.
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I'm not sure of the dimensions on the TFX sights but I had a 1st gen P-07 Duty when they first came out that I put a set of standard 75 series night sights on and it shot real nice poa/poi. There were no night sights specifically for the P-07 at that time. The rear sight was the #5 with the standard 5.5mm front sight. My original front sight was a #2 from the factory and it kept backing out hence the replacement set.
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Thanks for that info! It gives me hope since I'm not sure what's going to happen. I'm obviously not carrying it until I know what it does. If I find the front sight backs out, and it sounds like it might, I'll drop some lock-tite on it and see if that helps. Again, thanks for the feedback.
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Here's a few pics. Does the rear sight flow smoothly with the lines of the gun? No, but my gun is a tool and as long as it doesn't snag, I'm good with it.
(http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/Decipher180/311F09CD-1111-462D-A290-7F991E9A466F_zpssfwlqp2d.jpg) (http://s491.photobucket.com/user/Decipher180/media/311F09CD-1111-462D-A290-7F991E9A466F_zpssfwlqp2d.jpg.html)
(http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/Decipher180/1E9D882F-0307-429A-8578-508F51E5887B_zps8fpjd5pg.jpg) (http://s491.photobucket.com/user/Decipher180/media/1E9D882F-0307-429A-8578-508F51E5887B_zps8fpjd5pg.jpg.html)
(http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/Decipher180/26280395-1584-4967-86D5-BB91134875EF_zpswmdzb8u2.jpg) (http://s491.photobucket.com/user/Decipher180/media/26280395-1584-4967-86D5-BB91134875EF_zpswmdzb8u2.jpg.html)
(http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/Decipher180/915CEA18-1C3D-4AFB-86A5-8C86EA5834CA_zpsx5htcytj.jpg) (http://s491.photobucket.com/user/Decipher180/media/915CEA18-1C3D-4AFB-86A5-8C86EA5834CA_zpsx5htcytj.jpg.html)
(http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/Decipher180/EA0D8A5F-EC62-4A4F-9F0E-A702508602B3_zpslmgd8kwl.jpg) (http://s491.photobucket.com/user/Decipher180/media/EA0D8A5F-EC62-4A4F-9F0E-A702508602B3_zpslmgd8kwl.jpg.html)
(http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr274/Decipher180/96E82D5E-1D64-4C55-90EE-D917DA736C33_zpsb9gjewqv.jpg) (http://s491.photobucket.com/user/Decipher180/media/96E82D5E-1D64-4C55-90EE-D917DA736C33_zpsb9gjewqv.jpg.html)
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I like the looks of those as far as functionality. Cosmetics.......well that might be a little different.....
Where did you get them from, factory or dealer?
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Thanks. I agree. They look so smooth on my Shield, but a little rough on my CZ. I will say, my iPhone pics made my gun look rougher than it is. The sight picture is awesome. I ordered them from Amazon. Best price I could find and, being a Prime member, free two day shipping. I paid $121 for them.
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What is the life expectancy of the sights?
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I'm with Cypher on the looks. I'm much more function over form and I can always put the original sights back on if I ever sell the gun. I'm not worried about snagging because this is the IWB carry holster that I use.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img921/56/wtzpMH.jpg)
I just pulled my front sight and it's a #2. I'm going to be curious to hear how your's shoots with the TFX sights on it. That fiber optic sighting is a thing of beauty!
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Does anyone have a pic showing the sighting on the CZ night sight? Doesn't have to be a P07 as long as it's the same sight.
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What is the life expectancy of the sights?
Sorry I missed your question. TruGlo offer a 12 year warranty. My Shield sights are two years old and good as new.
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Range Report, as promised...
I shot 250 rounds at ranges varying from 3, 5, 7, 10 and 15 yards. I started at three yards, obviously, to check functionality and to make sure the front sight post held tight. All hits were center of target, POA=POI. Well, three yards? That's to be expected unless something is grossly off. To my surprise, all hits remained the same at all distances, POA=POI! I was both surprised (meaning my theory was proven correct that the taller front sight would be negated by the elevated rear sight off of the slide). All hits remained center of mass on what I consider a center of mass target, being a standard 9" paper plate target. The sights ran perfectly, held perfectly tight after the 250 rounds (absolutely no front sight drift out), and were an absolute pleasure to shoot. The one negative thing I can say is that their overall size is larger than the stock sights. This worked to my benefit until I hit the 15 yard mark, where I noticed my groupings opened up. All hits were still on target and still what I would consider more than acceptable for my purposes. I'll be shooting again on Saturday, at which point I'll push the distance and see what I can achieve. For defensive purposes, I can't say a single bad thing about these.
As a point of interest, I went with my dad who is a new shooter with a new Walther PPQ. He ran about the same round count through his Walther and we worked on correcting his poor(and new) shooting technique to dial him in. He did pretty good. I had a magazine and a half left to run through my P07 and told him to knock them out to see what he thought about the sights. He proceeded to completely punch the center of the target out at 5 and 7 yards like he was an avid shooter! The Walter is a great gun, so the only thing I could attribute this to were the sights. He agreed and is purchasing a set immediately. He loved them and said they made shooting and target acquisition easy. So, if you're on the fence, just jump!
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Good deal on the sights. Glad they worked out for you. As for the walther you are comparing apples and oranges in that the PPQ is striker fired and the CZ is a traditional hammer fired gun. I've seen many people who had good shooting experience with other guns pick up a CZ for the first time and blast out their best groups ever. You just can't argue with a CZ's accuracy. I'd put them up against guns that cost 3x as much.
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Well, agreed there on the striker vs hammer fired guns. I know the SA hammer will always beat a striker fired but I guess my point is that it's a Walther, who have done a great job on the striker fired front. It's the smoothest striker fired I've ran and was impressed. Either way, sights work great, fit great, and are a total win. Looks? Well, not the sexiest setup but who cares? Function over form.
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I had two Walther P99's before I bought my P-01. Great trigger and ergonomics. Carried much smaller than they actually were. That said, they were good for center mass- tight groups not so much. Barrel to slide fit was sloppy. Traded one for a Sig 1911 and the other for a P-07. I haven't sold or traded a CZ yet :-)
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Curious how the front sight was fitted. Is it just a friction fit or did you have to drill through for the standard front sight roll pin?
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The front sight on the P-07/09 is friction fit.No roll pin. The new factory sights do have set screws now.
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^ He is correct. It's simply friction fitted.
For the TruGlo sights specifically, they have a small notch at the bottom of the front sight post that was intended for use with the CZ 75 b's front sight post roll pin. I simply tapped the front sight into place allowing the friction fit to hold it. The sight drifted in with acceptable effort but without either the need to shave the front sight width down to get it in or without fear that I was going to break the sight or the gun because it required so much effort. So, to be clear, installing these sights required ZERO modification to the sights or the gun. I'll be running a few hundred more rounds through it tomorrow but I don't anticipate the need for any further modification for the sights to remain secure and locked in. You don't even need to be a gunsmith. Someone with a hammer, a flathead screwdriver, and some electrical tape (to cover the sights and protect them while you drift them in) could easily install these things.
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I just threw another 250 rounds through my P07 and still not a bit of movement in either sights. So, after 500 rounds, I can say they are stable and going strong.
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Just wanted to update again...Now with over 1,000 rounds through on these sights, I have not a single issue. The sights haven't moved at all. The gun holsters fine with the slightly taller profile, and I have zero complaints.
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The new Urban Gray P 07 comes with tritium sites. I spoke with Rodger at CZ USA and was told I could not order the black P 07 with those sights. Are the CZ tritium sights any good?
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That's frustrating. The P07 is such a great gun that it's entirely discouraging that not even CZ is supporting night sights for the platform. To answer your question, I don't know. I wanted to originally order CZ sights but they didn't even offer anything for the P07. This is why I'm stoked about this TruGlo option.
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That's frustrating. The P07 is such a great gun that it's entirely discouraging that not even CZ is supporting night sights for the platform. To answer your question, I don't know. I wanted to originally order CZ sights but they didn't even offer anything for the P07. This is why I'm stoked about this TruGlo option.
Here's metal night sights. http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/40344_Metal-Night-Sights-P07p09-4--6mm
In fact they have non night sights, and in different heights too.
This is all compact sights
http://shop.cz-usa.com/cz-products/pistols/sights/compact
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Decipher, thank you very much for all the info and updates. So just to clarify, you have the gen 1 P07 Duty? I'm having trouble finding sights that I think will work for these, because most of the ones I see have the screw for the front sight and the Duty doesn't. I'd really just like to find some regular 3 dots or maybe a fiber optic front, but would get the ones you got knowing that they would fit the gun perfectly. Anyways, thanks again, to you and everyone for all the info. I read through this thread a few times leading up to getting mine
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Decipher, do you know if the TruGlo TFX Pro sights would also work with the P-07 2nd generation?
I use those sights on my Ruger's and love them; would like to use it on my new SD carry CZ P-07 as well.
Would hate to spend the $120 if not.
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Sorry for the delay! I see no reason why they wouldn't. The only thing I question is if your Point of Aim will be the same as Point of Impact since the later generations where using varying sizes of front post sight to adjust for elevation. Did you pull your front sight post and check the number on it?
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just wanted to say thanks for the info you have provided so far!
I'm hoping you have a micrometer, could you measure the front post from the bottom of the sight to the top of your truglow?
I can then measure the number 3 and 4 sights I got from CZ and we can figure out some more info!
I think im going to bite on a set too but I needed to check this first for myself and everyone.
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That's frustrating. The P07 is such a great gun that it's entirely discouraging that not even CZ is supporting night sights for the platform. To answer your question, I don't know. I wanted to originally order CZ sights but they didn't even offer anything for the P07. This is why I'm stoked about this TruGlo option.
CGW will be releasing some night sights for the P-07/P-09 very soon...
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Has anyone else had luck with the TFX sights on the gen 2 P-07?
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Hello there.
What gun did you purchase the TFX sights for? I don't think TruGlo makes sights specifically for the CZ, so I was curious which make and model you based your choice on. I have an 07 myself and looking to buy new sights.
Thanks.
I just joined this forum to answer this question once and for all. I have been in pursuit of night sights for my Gen 1 P07 for a long time and I keep getting conflicting information regarding your exact question...does the CZ 75 sight fit the P07? The answer is YES, they do in fact fit the P07, but with a few things to note.
I decided I'd go out on a limb and ordered the TruGlo TFX sights from Amazon. I just fitted them up yesterday (2/14/16) and I can confirm that both the front and rear drifted beautifully into place on my Gen 1 P07 with minimal efforts and ZERO shaving or modifications of the sights. That being said, there are two things to note. First, you must pull your factory front post and note the number under it. Being a first gen, my factory sight post is #1, meaning it is the lowest factory sight setting. This may be an issue as my factory sight post measures at 5mm (#1) and the Truglo sights are 5.5mm. Secondly, the rear sight sits slightly taller and rests just above my slide instead of sitting flush on the slide. It's not enough to snag on anything and it's not a lot, but it doesn't sit flush. This variance may actually level out my Point of Impact with the slightly taller front sight. I'm also confident this will not stress the sight, as they are machined metal and high quality. The only question is how this will effect my point of aim and point of impact. I will be going to the range this week to see what impact this change has. There's a good chance it has altered POI, but I won't know for sure until I run some rounds through it. I will post back with my experience. For what it's worth, I have TFO sights on my M&P Shield and they have been flawless through thousands of rounds. Best sights out there as far as I'm concerned. That's why I was willing to give this a try. Worst case scenario is if my POI is grossly off, I can always put my factory rear sights back on and leave the very awesome, very bright front post in place with only a slight change in POI. Again, I WILL post back this week with my results.
I know there are other options out there, but there are literally none that I could find for my #1 front sight. I am a huge fan and believer in the TruGlo system. The fiber optic inserts are very bright for daylight shooting and the Tritium is superb for night visibility. It's literally the best of both worlds. Provided I am within an inch or two of POA and POI at defensive distances, I would consider these a viable option. I am not doing competition shooting with my P07. I am not trying to stretch the distance, though I will measure distance shots and variance with POI. I will also post pictures as well. I use my P07 for CCW and home defense. I'm simply not reaching out to even 30 yards with it, but for this test, I will measure out 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, and 20 yards, though that is pushing it for precision firing. Any other requests?
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Decipher, never mind, I have just found your comment on Amazon regarding the sights. Just as I thought, they are the CZ75 sights. How long did it take them to arrive?
Hello there.
What gun did you purchase the TFX sights for? I don't think TruGlo makes sights specifically for the CZ, so I was curious which make and model you based your choice on. I have an 07 myself and looking to buy new sights.
Thanks.
I just joined this forum to answer this question once and for all. I have been in pursuit of night sights for my Gen 1 P07 for a long time and I keep getting conflicting information regarding your exact question...does the CZ 75 sight fit the P07? The answer is YES, they do in fact fit the P07, but with a few things to note.
I decided I'd go out on a limb and ordered the TruGlo TFX sights from Amazon. I just fitted them up yesterday (2/14/16) and I can confirm that both the front and rear drifted beautifully into place on my Gen 1 P07 with minimal efforts and ZERO shaving or modifications of the sights. That being said, there are two things to note. First, you must pull your factory front post and note the number under it. Being a first gen, my factory sight post is #1, meaning it is the lowest factory sight setting. This may be an issue as my factory sight post measures at 5mm (#1) and the Truglo sights are 5.5mm. Secondly, the rear sight sits slightly taller and rests just above my slide instead of sitting flush on the slide. It's not enough to snag on anything and it's not a lot, but it doesn't sit flush. This variance may actually level out my Point of Impact with the slightly taller front sight. I'm also confident this will not stress the sight, as they are machined metal and high quality. The only question is how this will effect my point of aim and point of impact. I will be going to the range this week to see what impact this change has. There's a good chance it has altered POI, but I won't know for sure until I run some rounds through it. I will post back with my experience. For what it's worth, I have TFO sights on my M&P Shield and they have been flawless through thousands of rounds. Best sights out there as far as I'm concerned. That's why I was willing to give this a try. Worst case scenario is if my POI is grossly off, I can always put my factory rear sights back on and leave the very awesome, very bright front post in place with only a slight change in POI. Again, I WILL post back this week with my results.
I know there are other options out there, but there are literally none that I could find for my #1 front sight. I am a huge fan and believer in the TruGlo system. The fiber optic inserts are very bright for daylight shooting and the Tritium is superb for night visibility. It's literally the best of both worlds. Provided I am within an inch or two of POA and POI at defensive distances, I would consider these a viable option. I am not doing competition shooting with my P07. I am not trying to stretch the distance, though I will measure distance shots and variance with POI. I will also post pictures as well. I use my P07 for CCW and home defense. I'm simply not reaching out to even 30 yards with it, but for this test, I will measure out 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, and 20 yards, though that is pushing it for precision firing. Any other requests?
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Decipher,
Thanks a ton for posting this. There are a lot of questions on this forum about this specific item.
It's nice to have actual feedback instead of speculation.
This is why these forums are so useful!
Winkel