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GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: MBeach222 on July 13, 2016, 03:23:00 PM

Title: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: MBeach222 on July 13, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
I know CZ = ?esk? Zbrojovka but do you think that at the time the name was chosen as a play on words as CZ also relates to the name of the country?

Or purely coincidence?

Some say the name Uncle Sam was chosen since the initials = US (the name of our country) ie it is not a coincidence.

Similar for CZ?
Title: Re: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: Tok36 on July 13, 2016, 06:14:29 PM
Interesting question, hopefully some forum members well versed in CZ history will chime in.
Title: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: Psyop96 on July 13, 2016, 06:57:48 PM
I wonder how much of this CZ nation identification is driven by the ISO country codes?  If that was the case, then CS would have represented the then Czechoslovakia nation up to 1992. "CZ" would have been way ahead of it time in representing the present republic! [emoji4]
Title: Re: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: Radom on July 14, 2016, 01:07:23 AM
CZ has always been the recognized abbreviation for the Czechoslovak Republic, Czechoslovakia, and the Czech Republic, to my knowledge. 

A lot of nouns start with the Roman letter "Z" in the Czech language. 
Title: Re: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: armoredman on July 14, 2016, 05:58:48 PM
Czeska Zbrojovaka means "Arms factory"...
Title: Re: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: Radom on July 18, 2016, 07:58:37 PM
Czeska Zbrojovaka means "Arms factory"...

Yup, Czech Arms Factory.

Zbrojovka can be translated as "arsenal," but it literally means "weapons factory" from an etymological standpoint. 

Czech has always been rendered in the Roman alphabet, to my knowledge.  However, it is a Slavic language, so it has some sounds that are not common in Germanic or Romance languages.  These tended to be rendered with accent/diacritical marks, as well as some letters we don't see much in other Western European languages, specifically "z."  As such, more nouns start with the letter "z" in Czech than do in most other European languages rendered in the Roman alphabet. 

In the Roman alphabet, "CZ" and "Cz." have generally been standard abbreviations for the Czechoslovak Republic, Czechoslovakia, and the Czech Republic.  The Czechoslovak Republic was created by the Czech and Slovak people in 1918 and affirmed by the Versailles Treaty in 1919.  In other words, the "CZ" abbreviation isn't exactly very old, as it post-dates the breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. 

Depending on how you want to date the formation of the enterprise now known as "Ceska Zbrojovka," it can probably be given as either 1919 or 1936.  I wouldn't necessarily disagree with any number of dates in between 1919-1936, either.  See the following article on the evolution of the Czech arms industry:  http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=16482.0 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=16482.0)

In conclusion, I don't think it was a marketing consideration originally, so much as an accident of history and language.  Since it hasn't hurt marketing and promoting the brand by one iota in the intervening years, there's no reason to change the branding. 
Title: Re: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: copemech on July 18, 2016, 11:56:25 PM
Back in the day, I raced CZ motorcycles. I wonder if there was a connection?
Title: Re: ?esk? Zbrojovka - more than coincidence?
Post by: painter on July 19, 2016, 07:54:20 AM
Back in the day, I raced CZ motorcycles. I wonder if there was a connection?
There's a connection... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cesk%C3%A1_zbrojovka_Strakonice