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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: jameslovesjammie on November 05, 2016, 12:31:17 AM
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Tim (aka MAC) has posted some interesting things on Instagram...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMZy4hahFT6/
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He is holding pretty high on that pistol.
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A striker fired gun likely!
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P07 Kadet pistol? Is this a new CZ-UB model from the motherland or something being imported by CZ-USA?
http://www.czub.cz/en/produkty/pistole/adaptery/cz-p-07-kadet.html
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Striker fired CZ. P10, I think they call it. But I dont know anything in particular about it.
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We beg for a 97B in 10mm... They give us plastic :(
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Striker fired CZ. P10, I think they call it. But I dont know anything in particular about it.
I was going to make a joke about a striker fired pistol that we were all asking for. Then you show up in the thread and completely derail my joke. I don't know how I feel about a CZ striker gun
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Hope it will accept existing CZ pistol magazine design.
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Could it be a modernized version of my beloved CZ 100, reborn with "improvements" for the masses?
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Could it be a modernized version of my beloved CZ 100, reborn with "improvements" for the masses?
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Heard that it's different as the beloved CZ 100 is a DAO type action and this would be the so-called "pre-compressed/cocked" variety. Supposedly in P-07/09 series frame with the usual outstanding ergos and CZUB was losing out in bids for foreign govt contracts without a striker offering....supposedly also a single stack in the line up...so there you go from the rumor mill [emoji6]
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Seriously???? Wife is definetly going to kill me. Not 1, but possibly 2 :o
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If it is based off the P-07, which has already been an eye-opening winner (w/most of my friends anyway, especially the striker fire die-hards), this could do very well, at least in the general marketplace.
CAN'T WAIT!
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Hmmm? Veeery Interesting! :)
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I'd settle for a polymer single stack, even striker fired. My warranty replacement g43 is rusting just like the one it replaced a few months ago. I'd be happy to flush it for a CZ.
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We beg for a 97B in 10mm... They give us plastic :(
Heard that it's different as the beloved CZ 100 is a DAO type action and this would be the so-called "pre-compressed/cocked" variety. Supposedly in P-07/09 series frame with the usual outstanding ergos and CZUB was losing out in bids for foreign govt contracts without a striker offering....supposedly also a single stack in the line up...so there you go from the rumor mill [emoji6]
Order from CZ Forum = 100
Order from .gov = 1,000 + mags, maintence, parts
The important questions,
Is this going to be imported by CZ USA?
Are they going to make enough so we see them on the shelves or will this be another CZ unicorn item?
Hope it will accept existing CZ pistol magazine design.
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I clicked on the first image 5+ times to make it play. It didn't play...
Better go click it again to make sure...
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I clicked on the first image 5+ times to make it play. It didn't play...
Better go click it again to make sure...
;D Try the Hyperlink above the picture...
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We beg for a 97B in 10mm... They give us plastic :(
Heard that it's different as the beloved CZ 100 is a DAO type action and this would be the so-called "pre-compressed/cocked" variety. Supposedly in P-07/09 series frame with the usual outstanding ergos and CZUB was losing out in bids for foreign govt contracts without a striker offering....supposedly also a single stack in the line up...so there you go from the rumor mill [emoji6]
Order from CZ Forum = 100
Order from .gov = 1,000 + mags, maintence, parts
The important questions,
Is this going to be imported by CZ USA?
Are they going to make enough so we see them on the shelves or will this be another CZ unicorn item?
Hope it will accept existing CZ pistol magazine design.
I understand the economics, but I don't have to be rational about it. ;)
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Going guess a striker fired CZ.
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Going guess a striker fired CZ.
Striker fired CZ. P10, I think they call it. But I dont know anything in particular about it.
If Stuart is right and it is a striker fired gun...it better be a bleep good one. If it isn't, the market won't tolerate it at all. Even if it's marginal.
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yeah...it has to be either a better performer, or priced better.
the Ruger American kind of limped into the market, and though not a bad pistol by any means, didn't really do anything new, or for a better price, and I would be surprised if it is selling all that well.
If it is as striker fired pistol, I hope it keeps everything about the P09 and a nice striker trigger.
and for around a Glock price - or maybe a little less...gotta get those guys on the fence onto your side of the fence.
and mags that aren't priced like a P09 mag....nothing hurts me more emotionally than paying over 40 bucks for a standard capacity magazine.
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I know that the majority of us love our P-07's, but a striker-fire CZ based off of it should do well, especially if it will accept standard CZ 75 mags versus proprietary ones and, is 100% ambidextrous like FNH's FNS and FNX models. Could be a good thing if so!
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Interesting. Except for a quick mention on the Shadow 2 video back when they first came out, nothing else said.
Although the name CZ P10 has been trademarked.
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http://www.trademarkia.com/cz-p10-79141556.html
Only thing I could find. Boy they are good at keeping secrets. [emoji87]
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I know that the majority of us love our P-07's, but a striker-fire CZ based off of it should do well, especially if it will accept standard CZ 75 mags versus proprietary ones and, is 100% ambidextrous like FNH's FNS and FNX models. Could be a good thing if so!
The standard mags would be awesome. But..... that didn't stop them from designing the P07 & 09 with proprietary mags. IMO that is one thing that stops some (maybe me) from wanting one so bad[emoji53]
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Heard that it's different as the beloved CZ 100 is a DAO type action and this would be the so-called "pre-compressed/cocked" variety. Supposedly in P-07/09 series frame with the usual outstanding ergos and CZUB was losing out in bids for foreign govt contracts without a striker offering....supposedly also a single stack in the line up...so there you go from the rumor mill [emoji6]
Psyop96 you had to do it... Throw in that the rumor mill includes a single stack... Now that there's proof of this rumored P10 my deep desires leave me with no choice but accept the single stack as truth too. I can't take such anticipation!
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Let's hope this is more interesting than the Saint...
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There are so many striker fired 9mm's out there I have no idea how CZ can make a better mousetrap. But I guess CZ's gotta do what CZ's gotta do.
Otto
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I really wish it were a single stack hammer fired gun. Like a single stack PCR. If I wanted a plastic striker fired gun I'd buy a Walther or a Glock. There's a reason I own two firearms and both are metal CZ's.
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Heard that it's different as the beloved CZ 100 is a DAO type action and this would be the so-called "pre-compressed/cocked" variety. Supposedly in P-07/09 series frame with the usual outstanding ergos and CZUB was losing out in bids for foreign govt contracts without a striker offering....supposedly also a single stack in the line up...so there you go from the rumor mill [emoji6]
Psyop96 you had to do it... Throw in that the rumor mill includes a single stack... Now that there's proof of this rumored P10 my deep desires leave me with no choice but accept the single stack as truth too. I can't take such anticipation!
Like many manufacturers that stagger product releases, a bit of patience is required though. Need to sell the market on the new action lineup first [emoji6]
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Thanksgiving we will know more.
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When the acquisition folks specify striker fired to basically hand the contract to glock, CZ can't compete... It makes sense for them to have a striker offering in that event, though do think they'd be better set to go w/ a DAK trigger.
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regarding police / .mil contracts
I would LOVE to carry a P09 as my duty gun.
CZ can't compete with the other big dogs for tail end support. That is where they are losing the war. Glock/ S&W/ Sig offer FAR more support to an LE department. I have my Glock reps phone number in my phone; if I have an issue with a personally owned Glock, I can call him at 2200 hours on a Sunday, get a hold of him, and he will likely have parts in the mail first thing Monday morning - no questions asked. It took me the better part of 3 weeks to get a hold of the CZ LE rep - that was sending several emails, and leaving several messages.
If I am at a department, and we have issue with our service weapons, that is unacceptable.
Glock, S&W, and Sig will come to us, and train as many armorers as we want for free. We would have to send our guys, on our dime, to Kansas City, which very much limits how many factory armorers we could have.
I do hope the CZ LE program gets up to speed, and can start competing with the other guys, but for now, I don't see them getting much market share. I can have all the personal love for CZ in the world, but there is no way to convince an administrator it is the right choice for the department, when I don't even believe they can offer acceptable tail end support.
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regarding police / .mil contracts
I would LOVE to carry a P09 as my duty gun.
CZ can't compete with the other big dogs for tail end support. That is where they are losing the war. Glock/ S&W/ Sig offer FAR more support to an LE department. I have my Glock reps phone number in my phone; if I have an issue with a personally owned Glock, I can call him at 2200 hours on a Sunday, get a hold of him, and he will likely have parts in the mail first thing Monday morning - no questions asked. It took me the better part of 3 weeks to get a hold of the CZ LE rep - that was sending several emails, and leaving several messages.
If I am at a department, and we have issue with our service weapons, that is unacceptable.
Glock, S&W, and Sig will come to us, and train as many armorers as we want for free. We would have to send our guys, on our dime, to Kansas City, which very much limits how many factory armorers we could have.
I do hope the CZ LE program gets up to speed, and can start competing with the other guys, but for now, I don't see them getting much market share. I can have all the personal love for CZ in the world, but there is no way to convince an administrator it is the right choice for the department, when I don't even believe they can offer acceptable tail end support.
CZ's civilian support is so good, that's too bad to hear. Did you try sharing this with anyone higher up at CZ? I'm sure there is some executive there that would appreciate knowing how they're falling short against their competitors.
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This is good news for CZ if it comes out as well received as the 07 is now. In my humble, repeat humble opinion it's going to have to do as good of a job as the glock 19 does in all the same categories to outpace them. If it's similarly priced, but as others have said if the mags are $40ish dollars its going to steer a lot of folks away.
Full disclosure: I was a glock 19 guy for YEARS, only after the state of CT limited us to 10 rounds did I explore another weapon that has the same characteristics of the glock 19 but with reliable 10 round magazines. Needless to say the 07 in 9mm has filled that role for me thus far. A striker fired version of the weapon may have me abandon the 19's altogether and go for 2 identical versions of the new CZ especially if there is magazine compatibility!
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CZ can't compete with the other big dogs for tail end support. That is where they are losing the war. Glock/ S&W/ Sig offer FAR more support to an LE department. I have my Glock reps phone number in my phone; if I have an issue with a personally owned Glock, I can call him at 2200 hours on a Sunday, get a hold of him, and he will likely have parts in the mail first thing Monday morning - no questions asked. It took me the better part of 3 weeks to get a hold of the CZ LE rep - that was sending several emails, and leaving several messages.
I have emphasized this point over and over again in my conversations with the LE sales director, and to be fair, he gets it. Unfortunately, CZ-USA as a company, do not.
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Hopefully, they'll change their tune and are able to devote resources once they have a competitive striker-fired option available for this segment of the market. Good comment about the pricing of the magazine that should be same for P-07/09 series.
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For LE use, are you able to buy/use Mecgar mags or are you required to use OE for insurance, etc, reasons? Don't have a P09 or P07, but pretty sure I've seen Mecgar mags for them, and OEM manufacturer but not OE...
Also for instance, glock OE mags are cheap, but Sig OE mags are expensive... Both have cheaper reliable alternatives ETS/Magpul and Mecgar... Does mag price actually factor significantly into LE purchase decisions?
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I have been able to use Mec Gar sig mags for duty use without issue - they make the Sig factory mags, so that made it an easy sale. There is not really any liability from using an aftermarket magazine, other than if it doesn't work, and causes somebody to get hurt or killed that shouldn't have, so I would not carry anything of questionable origin.
Mec-Gar does not offer a magazine for the P07/P09 yet...I'm sure they are working down their no compete clause of their contract with CZ
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Striker fired CZ. P10, I think they call it. But I dont know anything in particular about it.
Stuart (and then everyone after that) was right!
Pulled the photo from CZ-USA's official instagram page with the following caption:
Here's a teaser of the next big thing to come from #CZ -- the P-10. Fully ambi controls, superior ergonomics and the same magazine family as the P-07/P-09. Keep an eye out for a full reveal on Thanksgiving Day from @militaryarms on YouTube!
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Definitely think it's a good thing that it uses the same mags as the P-07/P-09.
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I'm just wondering how long it is going to take for CZ to have enough production stock to actually have it available for us to buy. I want it!!!
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I wonder, in the picture above, does the C stand for compact?
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I wonder, in the picture above, does the C stand for compact?
I was wondering/assuming that as well; are we going to see a line of full size, compact, sub-compact? Curious if they'll have all of those now or just the C for now with intentions of making the FS and sub-compact in the future. I'm curious to see how many similarities it will share with the P-07
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Do my eyes deceive me or is that polymer palm swell that I see? Say it ain't so!
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Do my eyes deceive me or is that polymer palm swell that I see? Say it ain't so!
That's exactly what I think I am seeing too! The mags are 14 rounds in the pic so I assume it's the compact version in the pic... Hope it's here sooner than 2 years in the future.
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Let's hope they offer some sight options or we'll all be waiting years for fiber optics and night sights like when the 07 hit the market.....
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Agreed, I think we may have palm swell! After looking at it longer, noticed a few other things:
- The mags look very glock-ish to me, with the round count on the back like that.
- The mag release seems to stick out really far? Maybe just the angle of the photo...
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Scarlett Pistol, look again, the witness hole is marked "15". [emoji1303]
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Glock ish is perfect. It appears that cz hit it out of the park with the 07/09 family. A striker fired version will be even better. I'd love to benefit from the 15 round mags but CT doesn't allow anything over 10. That being said cz's reliability has been really great and the egos are as well. Hoping this new model hits all those points as well
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You know, maybe a single stack sub-compact could be in the pipeline.
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It appears that CZ hit it out of the park with the P-07/09 family. A striker fired version will be even better...CZ's reliability has been really great and the ergos as well. Hoping this new model hits all those points as well.
Something tells me the P-10 will carry over a lot of what we love about the P-07/09. And you hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer, concerning them hitting it out of the park with them.
I've had a lot of "anti-hammer fire" shooters marvel at the ergonomics and how well they shoot, to the point where several of them ended up going out in purchasing their own P-07; some to even replace their favorite striker fire pistol!
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It appears that CZ hit it out of the park with the P-07/09 family. A striker fired version will be even better...CZ's reliability has been really great and the ergos as well. Hoping this new model hits all those points as well.
Something tells me the P-10 will carry over a lot of what we love about the P-07/09. And you hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer, concerning them hitting it out of the park with them.
I've had a lot of "anti-hammer fire" shooters marvel at the ergonomics and how well they shoot, to the point where several of them ended up going out in purchasing their own P-07; some to even replace their favorite striker fire pistol!
Absolutely! I am a glock shooter from day one, but I cannot argue with the INSANE ejection of the spent cases out of the CZ as well as the ergos of the pistol. It's a great weapon, the ONLY thing I don't love is the DA/SA and I knew that when I purchased it. The CZ was a departure from the glock platform that I have always wanted to shoot better than I can. Will be interesting to see how this new pistol shakes out over the course of the new year.
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I guess I will sell my PPQ 5" for a CZ striker.
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Well I've been thinking of trying a striker. Really like the Canik TP9V2, but I don't need another full size. Sooooo, this may be what I've been looking for.
Still, wish it took 75 mags instead of 07/09 mags, but oh well.
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This is going to be interesting. And it does make the single stack more viable. That TP9V2 is nice cntrydawwwg. For 350$ it's a good Jeep gun.
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Those are 15 round mags . . . I also see an ambi mag release.
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Looks very interesting, can't wait to see and shoot one.
The G19 gen 3 I have is a great pistol and I have lots of rounds down range
with it, no issues and it just works all the time.
Richard
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That TP9V2 is nice cntrydawwwg. For 350$ it's a good Jeep gun.
And there's the enabling I've come to enjoy about this forum!!
Lol, thanks Muggia59[emoji41][emoji23]
Someday, someday.
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I agree with Earl;
The last thing that's needed is another Poly Gun....and a Straker Fire model to boot !
I've always wondered why CZ has never offered a "Combo" Set-up like Tanfoglio / Witness has or does
Put together a nice, (say) Shadow and a KADET Kit in one factory matched set
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I agree with Earl;
The last thing that's needed is another Poly Gun....and a Straker Fire model to boot !
I've always wondered why CZ has never offered a "Combo" Set-up like Tanfoglio / Witness has or does
Put together a nice, (say) Shadow and a KADET Kit in one factory matched set
I'll probably still buy it, whatever it is.8)
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Don't stop with just striker fired. Maybe it will be full modular like the SIG 320, so that you could buy one firing group and fit it in a compact, medium, or full size frame, then have 3", 4", and 5" slides?
All I care about is the barrel and lock up in the slide just before that little striker thing "strikes".
If it has CZ ergonomics and CZ mechanical lock up, striker is OK with me, especially if it makes CZ more competitive in the world market. Striker fired may not be my preference, but I was wrong about polymer, I am prepared to be wrong about striker guns, I mean CZ striker guns. I can't even hold a Glock.
The engineer in me can't wait to see what CZ has created. The shooter in me is still tied up trying to learn to shoot the hammer guns, and doesn't need another distraction, LOL.
Joe
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My brother in law has a P320 compact. I really like the trigger. If the P320 was CZ-ized, I'm a buyer for a carry pistol.
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Regarding the pics of the P-10C:
Those 15 round mags with all the witness holes down the back are just like what came with my P-07 Gen2! Havent been available from CZUSA. Can no longer get them from CZ-UB. Looking forward to getting some as spares!
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My brother in law has a P320 compact. I really like the trigger. If the P320 was CZ-ized, I'm a buyer for a carry pistol.
My best friend has a 320 and that thing takes a beating, it's held up well.. but in my opinion that trigger is a sponge.
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P10C. Compact...guessing they are coming with a P07 size first.
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My brother in law has a P320 compact. I really like the trigger. If the P320 was CZ-ized, I'm a buyer for a carry pistol.
My best friend has a 320 and that thing takes a beating, it's held up well.. but in my opinion that trigger is a sponge.
To clarify, I was comparing to my G43, not any of my CZ's
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Striker fired CZ. P10, I think they call it. But I dont know anything in particular about it.
Stuart (and then everyone after that) was right!
Pulled the photo from CZ-USA's official instagram page with the following caption:
Here's a teaser of the next big thing to come from #CZ -- the P-10. Fully ambi controls, superior ergonomics and the same magazine family as the P-07/P-09. Keep an eye out for a full reveal on Thanksgiving Day from @militaryarms on YouTube!
(http://i.imgur.com/jCJgXMg.jpg)
Definitely think it's a good thing that it uses the same mags as the P-07/P-09.
So we've got P07 mags, compact size (assuming the regular P-10 will be P09 sized), changeable backstraps, ambi controls. I'd be curious if it took the same sights (not sure why it wouldn't).
I'm excited about this! I'm a Glock 19 guy, but I love my CZs. I've been tempted to try the P07 for a while, but I really just wasn't sure about DA/SA for my edc. This could be a nice compromise, or if nothing else just a fun gun to shoot. I'd be more than willing to buy one if only to plink with it, but I'd give it a fair chance to replace the 19!
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I prefer a striker fired pistol for my carry; I've been a pretty dedicated G19 guy for several years....this will definitely get a hard look.
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So is CZ going to catch lightning in a bottle with a killer design then not import enough for it to be any more than vapor ware?
If they hit on a good striker option that's more ergonomic, which i expect it will be, than the 320, Striker fanboys and CZ fanboys alike will look at those for carry.... and if you don't grab one in the first 2 weeks then you'll be SOL for the next 3 months, when the cycle will repeat.
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So, just because more info will be coming tomorrow, doesn't mean it will actually be available for sale immediately.
Guessing the larger volume online dealers will get inventory first. The LGS, not for a while.
I may be ordering my Christmas present for myself early! Er, my wife. Yes, it's for my wife. She didn't want that cheesy mall jewelry, anyway...
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So, just because more info will be coming tomorrow, doesn't mean it will actually be available for sale immediately.
Guessing the larger volume online dealers will get inventory first. The LGS, not for a while.
I may be ordering my Christmas present for myself early! Er, my wife. Yes, it's for my wife. She didn't want that cheesy mall jewelry, anyway...
I would assume that with such a hyped reveal that a timely release would follow, but we all know that's not necessarily the case with guns. It seemed like when the Glock43 was announced there was still a decent gap before you saw them in most stores. Of course, there was much more hype around the 43 and probably a lot more demand.
I'm keeping my excitement subdued and hoping to have one in hand sometime Q1 2017. If I can get one in January I'll be thrilled, and if I can get it by end of December I'd be shocked.
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l imagine they will have some pistols available at SHOT if it's being announced in November.
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I would assume that with such a hyped reveal that a timely release would follow, but we all know that's not necessarily the case with guns. It seemed like when the Glock43 was announced there was still a decent gap before you saw them in most stores. Of course, there was much more hype around the 43 and probably a lot more demand.
I'm keeping my excitement subdued and hoping to have one in hand sometime Q1 2017. If I can get one in January I'll be thrilled, and if I can get it by end of December I'd be shocked.
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Well I hope they are not like Beretta, they take one to two years to two release one after they announce it.
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If it's no larger than a G19 and has a 15 rd mag, I'm interested. PPQ or VP9 size, nah.
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I hope there is a 9mm version that is smaller than a P-07 but which will still allow me to shoot 2" groups at 25 yards with open sights, two handed, standing!!
Someone send me one and I'll try it. Sugru and grip tape must be allowed, along with filing and hammering of sights. Or maybe I'll just buy it rather than return it. And save the PM-40 for demo day only!!
Joe
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New Instagram post from Military Arms Channel.
Go to their YouTube site in the morning for an exclusive first look at the new P-10!
Not long now and the guessing will be over. Well, most of it, at least...
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I don't know about you guys, but it sure is "morning" where I live ... and I am not even hung over.
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Lol. I second that. I have already checked 3 times.
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https://youtu.be/h-ptLPmSdL4
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It's up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=h-ptLPmSdL4
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So disappointed there was no Glock 19 size comparison!!
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Where do I order?!?
Want it now!!!
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Get it to market already!!!!
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I soooo cant wait to buy one. That trigger. They love it. I didnt think cz would actually do a stiker fire.
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Looks neat. I don't think it'll replace my 07 for the carry rotation
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Very intriguing. Now we wait.
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So disappointed there was no Glock 19 size comparison!!
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He said it would fit a Glock 19 holster, so that seems to indicate they're more or less the same size. That seems like a very wise business decision, but unfortunately it also means you also don't get the enlarged trigger guard for those in cold weather climates. I also wish manufacturers would do away with the trigger dingus, but that's my own personal rant. Still, it seems like a very nice pistol at an amazing price point.
That said, I'm not in the market for one as a defensive gun, as I'm in that small minority that doesn't like safetyless strikers. An optics ready P10, though, would be awesome for the range...
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Couple takeaways that I felt were important if you don't want to watch the video (but... you're here, so I'm assuming you do ;D )
- Trigger reset is super short, the guys at MAC and Guns & Ammo loved it
- They said the trigger is one of the best in striker fired pistols they've fired. It "rolls" as opposed to a hard wall and hard break.
- Current P07/P09 mags are not compatible :-\ The new p10 mags have a cut up front for the ambi controls. In the future all mags in the family will have this
- Will fit P-07 holsters, as well as G19 holsters
- Come in all black, FDE frame & black slide, and threaded barrel & suppressor height night sights
- ~$500
- Shipping Q1 2017, maybe even in December this year!?
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Dissapointed with not being able to use 07 magazines in it. They did away with the regular CZ rail system. Still VERY interested.
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So disappointed there was no Glock 19 size comparison!!
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He said it would fit a Glock 19 holster, so that seems to indicate they're more or less the same size. That seems like a very wise business decision, but unfortunately it also means you also don't get the enlarged trigger guard for those in cold weather climates. I also wish manufacturers would do away with the trigger dingus, but that's my own personal rant. Still, it seems like a very nice pistol at an amazing price point.
That said, I'm not in the market for one as a defensive gun, as I'm in that small minority that doesn't like safetyless strikers. An optics ready P10, though, would be awesome for the range...
I'm not so much worried about the slide/trigger guard. When I conceal it's the grip that tries to stick out. If it's as big as a VP9, I'll have trouble getting it to conceal especially in the summer.
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Dissapointed with not being able to use 07 magazines in it.
Yea, that bummed me out too. Since they were saying the p-10 mags were in the same family, i was assuming all existing P-07/P-09 mags would be compatible.
They did away with the regular CZ rail system.
Interesting, I missed that it wasn't like the P-07 and P-09. However, the P-01 has this rail system. I wonder why they went this route.
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Dissapointed with not being able to use 07 magazines in it.
Yea, that bummed me out too. Since they were saying the p-10 mags were in the same family, i was assuming all existing P-07/P-09 mags would be compatible.
They did away with the regular CZ rail system.
Interesting, I missed that it wasn't like the P-07 and P-09. However, the P-01 has this rail system. I wonder why they went this route.
It will be the 07 mags from here on out, but just won't work with the current generation. I'm sure you could modify them to work [emoji6]
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I also wish manufacturers would do away with the trigger dingus, but that's my own personal rant. Still, it seems like a very nice pistol at an amazing price point.
That said, I'm not in the market for one as a defensive gun, as I'm in that small minority that doesn't like safetyless strikers. An optics ready P10, though, would be awesome for the range...
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I am of the same mindset. I often appendix carry, and prefer a gun with a manual safety. I carry my PCR at 3 O'clock though. Yes, I know it is a psychological thing, but when a gun is pointing down at your privates, well it just makes me nervous. I don't like the trigger dingus either. That being said, as striker fired pistols go, I bet this is at the top of the list. If I were to get a polymer, striker fired pistol this would be it.
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Dissapointed with not being able to use 07 magazines in it. They did away with the regular CZ rail system. Still VERY interested.
I wonder if CZC or CGW could cut a hole into the P series mags for, say, $8 each. It seems like if you had the proper jig, you could mill it out with a drill press in a few minutes. It's probably not worth doing at home, but I expect they'd have sufficient demand to make it profitable, especially with mags going for $45 each.
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I appendix carry an 07 daily and its really great. Having the DA first shot is an inherent safety in my mind. I'm not sure what advantage the new gun will offer in my case but it looks great and will really get some converts from the G LOCK fans.
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If it is near-identical in dimensions to the P-07, this should help suffice until we get a true side-by-side comparison:
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Am intrigued with the P10, but noticed no video of the targets and groups. Wonder if it wasn't that good??
That said, good to CZ enter the striker market, even though I believe their niche is the DA/SA. I won't be replacing my current suite of strikers (Glock 30, M&Ps, XD) anytime soon.
My P01 Omega & P09 will continue to be my go to guns- but that's my preference - DA/SA over striker
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That definitely doesn't look like any striker fired trigger I'm used to...
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I think it has great potential to do well. It looks like CZ did some homework and combined features of several other firearms in making this.
? Aggressive grip texture like the current Gen 4 Glock and FNS/FNX.
? Full ambidextrous controls like the FNS/FNX.
? Extended beavertail like the Steyr and HK VP family.
? Steel sights borrowed from it's P-07/P-09 siblings.
? Forward slide serrations moved from the beveled edge of the slide like the P-07/P-09, down to the flat part similar to how the Sphinx SDP has them.
? Trigger has an extremely short reset and a crisp break from description, similar to Walther's PPQ (and I'll also say the HK VP).
? Trigger looks very similar to the Apex style used by many shooters to replace the stock trigger on M&P's and Glocks.
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Well, I was interested, then I wasn't... and now I am again.
The mag thing is a big deal to me, as I have quite a few P-07 mags... but the P-10C might serve well as a pistol for teaching new shooters.
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I wanted to see a better pic of the grip. Looks almost like a palm swell, but not quite.
Very interested. Has officially made my list. [emoji6]
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Is that a torn down frame to the P-10?
Where did you find it?
Dont recall that in the MAC YouTube video...
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Well, I was interested, then I wasn't... and now I am again.
The mag thing is a big deal to me, as I have quite a few P-07 mags... but the P-10C might serve well as a pistol for teaching new shooters.
You should be able to cut the slot in P-07 mags. When XD9 pistols came out there weren't any hi caps. I converted other brand pistol mags to work. I drilled a hole in the front and opened up the hole to fit with small files from harbor freight.
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Is that a torn down frame to the P-10?
Where did you find it?
Dont recall that in the MAC YouTube video...
That's a quick screen shot from the vid. It was so fast I had to pause it and double click to play and pause lol
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It looks like P-10 NOT slide in frame?
So, not the lowered bore axis CZ pistols are famous for.
Is this perhaps because of the striker mechanism?
Disappointing...
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Doesn't bother me about the frame rails, looks like a ridiculously soft shooter.
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It is weird that they didn't do the slide in frame. Everything has to be better....trigger, reset, grips, etc for this to have any success in the crowded field.
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It looks like P-10 NOT slide in frame?
So, not the lowered bore axis CZ pistols are famous for.
Is this perhaps because of the striker mechanism?
Disappointing...
It looks slide in frame to me?
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It looks like P-10 NOT slide in frame?
So, not the lowered bore axis CZ pistols are famous for.
Is this perhaps because of the striker mechanism?
Disappointing...
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CZ bore axis thing is a myth. It's pretty similar to a Sig or 1911 and many striker fired pistols have a lower bore axis. There is some merit to having less reciprocating mass, but I'm not worried about the P-10 recoil.
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Definitely not a slide in the frame. The pictures show it clearly, and that is why the slide serration look bigger than a P-07.
\If CZ wasn't interested in the American market yet, would they have invited American journalists/testers to shoot in the Czech Republic?
I like the report on MAC, but don't know about a slide outside the frame gun (from CZ). CZ-UB could save engineering time copying the basics from Glock and others. My SP2022 twangs when the trigger is pulled. My XDM 4.5 45 auto does not.
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Meh.
Maybe a stiff triggered sriker less than 20oz weight for the pocket similar to my Nano, else I'll stay with hammer fired handguns!
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I'm thinking my Steyr L9A1 has it beat..........for now.
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Even without the slide in frame, it looked like it had a real low bore axis, thanks to the high grip.
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I just did a few stop and plays of the video, and it just might be slide in frame.
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I've been seriously considering a Steyr. P10 definitely gets a hard look first. Looking forward to holding one.
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I just did a few stop and plays of the video, and it just might be slide in frame.
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Definitely not!
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Maybe my inner metal DA/SA nerd is coming out but this doesn't impress me. Looks like any other striker fired pistol out there. Might as well replace CZ with Glock. Not hating on it, as I am a CZ fangirl . ? This just isn't in my future.
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And you are right LittleJenny. Definetly not.
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Lots of folks don't like the short slide depth of the 75B, P-09, P-07 which results from slide in frame. Maybe CZ went to slide over frame to give a little more grip area like the other makers have? Obviously doesn't matter to me but it is a big deal to some people. I'm thinking the bore axis height can be the same with either rail design. The MAC video shooters exhibited very little rise and very short time back on target. There doesn't appear to be any problem with the bore axis to me, regardless of the actual dimensions.
I don't see anything but a well engineered striker fired gun from a company with a history of designing excellent firearms. Can't wait to shoot one. I don't think anyone around my neck of the woods has won a local bullseye match with a striker fired gun yet. Maybe this one is the one? May be a while before we know for sure.
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Lots of folks don't like the short slide depth of the 75B, P-09, P-07 which results from slide in frame. Maybe CZ went to slide over frame to give a little more grip area like the other makers have? Obviously doesn't matter to me but it is a big deal to some people. I'm thinking the bore axis height can be the same with either rail design. The MAC video shooters exhibited very little rise and very short time back on target. There doesn't appear to be any problem with the bore axis to me, regardless of the actual dimensions.
I don't see anything but a well engineered striker fired gun from a company with a history of designing excellent firearms. Can't wait to shoot one. I don't think anyone around my neck of the woods has won a local bullseye match with a striker fired gun yet. Maybe this one is the one? May be a while before we know for sure.
Joe
What strikes me as odd is the parts on the table in the screenshot I posted earlier.
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I've got a few different striker fired designs, and that doesn't look like any of them. Probably has something to do with the crisp trigger and short reset that they talked about in the video. Looks like it will also be receptive to a nice polish job! If you create a reliable striker fired pistol with a crisp trigger, you're going to win over a lot of shooters.
As much as I love my CZ's, all of my defensive pistols have a single consistent trigger pull and no manual safety. That's just my personal preference, but it's a preference that is shared by quite a few people. Not a bad market to get in considering the success others have had with designs that leave much to be desired in terms of ergonomics and reliability. Hopefully CZ can raise the bar with this pistol, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Cool for CZ; maybe a flood of surplus da/sa metal guns will hit the market soon.
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With the CZ10's similarities to the P-07 it should be accurate. I would think the Glock lovers would be tempted by the better grip and a good trigger. The CZ10 should be a winner.
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So disappointed there was no Glock 19 size comparison!!
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They said it fit the holster, I expect it's probably a little taller dude to grip length, but not enough to worry bout
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Mostly a repeat of info from the video with a few good static pics. The pics offer a good look at the trigger, which is nearly flat. I know I'm in a tiny minority, but I wish they would have made it da/sa like a P99.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/striker-fired-cz-check-out-the-new-cz-p-10-c/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20161125_FridayDigest_97g&utm_campaign=/blog/striker-fired-cz-check-out-the-new-cz-p-10-c/
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I know I'm in a tiny minority, but I wish they would have made it da/sa like a P99.
Wouldn't that just make it... a P-07?
I would like to see an ambi slide stop lever and mag release for the P-07/P-09 ... as long as they did it right. ;-)
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I know I'm in a tiny minority, but I wish they would have made it da/sa like a P99.
Wouldn't that just make it... a P-07?
I would like to see an ambi slide stop lever and mag release for the P-07/P-09 ... as long as they did it right. ;-)
Well, considering the difference between a striker and a hammer, no.
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Where did the screenshot for the p10 specs come from?
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Where did the screenshot for the p10 specs come from?
The Guns America write up.
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Ok, I missed if they said it, and I'm pretty unfamiliar with strikers all together.
Did they mention if it was DA? I.E. second strike capable, like the Canik TP9v2?
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Ok, I missed if they said it, and I'm pretty unfamiliar with strikers all together.
Did they mention if it was DA? I.E. second strike capable, like the Canik TP9v2?
I didn't hear either way, but I'd highly doubt it would be a true DA, especially with the trigger being so short and 4 lb. Personally, if it doesn't go boom I'm probably just gonna tap-rack it anyway.
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I know I'm in a tiny minority, but I wish they would have made it da/sa like a P99.
Wouldn't that just make it... a P-07?
I would like to see an ambi slide stop lever and mag release for the P-07/P-09 ... as long as they did it right. ;-)
Well, considering the difference between a striker and a hammer, no.
Oh, neat - for some reason I thought the P99 was hammer-fired...
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I know I'm in a tiny minority, but I wish they would have made it da/sa like a P99.
Wouldn't that just make it... a P-07?
I would like to see an ambi slide stop lever and mag release for the P-07/P-09 ... as long as they did it right. ;-)
Well, considering the difference between a striker and a hammer, no.
Oh, neat - for some reason I thought the P99 was hammer-fired...
P99 was very unique for a striker fired gun, true da/sa with a de-cocker. It has a very nice trigger as well, think da/sa version of the PPQ. It was my first pistol, guess I have a soft spot.
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I wanted to see a better pic of the grip. Looks almost like a palm swell, but not quite.
Very interested. Has officially made my list. [emoji6]
Answered one of my questions on the CZ USA page.
http://cz-usa.com/
". A mild palm swell,"
I like that very much. [emoji6]
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Specs very similar to the G19, should be a winner.
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Specs very similar to the G19, should be a winner.
Yep, looks to slot in between a g19 and p07 in size - which should be good enough. I used to carry a g19 but now carry a p320 compact and I can tell a difference in carrying it vs the 19 but it's not a huge difference and I've adjusted well. I expect the p10 should be mostly just as concealable and comfy as the 19. I do love my p320 though and it will be hard to switch away from it. The p320 full size has a ton of potential as a comp gun too.
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P99 was very unique for a striker fired gun, true da/sa with a de-cocker. It has a very nice trigger as well, think da/sa version of the PPQ. It was my first pistol, guess I have a soft spot.
The P99 was introduced in the 90's ans the PPQ sometime in the 2000's.
It has 3 triggers in one. The following is from the Walther forum written by imaoldfat.
Walther P99 Trigger Systems
AS: Anti-Stress
Affected Models: Classic P99 / P99 AS / P99c AS
Trigger Travel: 0.55? Double Action & AS / 0.31? Single Action
Trigger Reset: 0.25?
Trigger Weight: 11 lbs. Double Action / 5 lbs. Single Action
The P99 AS is basically a hammerless Traditional Double Action pistol, which happens to be striker fired. The largest confusion in the trigger system is the AS mode itself, and with out that variable, the pistol would have a similar trigger action to a Sig Sauer or a Heckler and Koch.
The AS trigger system of the Walther P99 has three possible carry modes:
AS Mode
The AS mode is automatically engage after a round is chambered. The trigger is fully forward, as if in double action, but the striker indicator is to the rear and visible. This mode offers the safety of carrying the P99 AS in single action with a light yet long trigger pull.
DA Mode
The Double Action mode is achieved after a round is chambered and the decocking button is depressed, releasing the striker into a double action trigger pull. In this mode the trigger is fully forward and the striker is at rest and no longer visible to the rear of the slide. After the trigger is first pulled, all subsequent shots will be in single action. This mode is considered, among fellow P99 AS owners, to be the safest mode to carry the AS in.
SA Mode
The SA mode of carry for the P99 AS is Single Action. This mode can be achieved by chambering a round, which also places the trigger all the way forward and into the AS mode, then slowly pulling the trigger to the rear until you hear the SA portion of the sear engage. You?ll hear a ?click? and the trigger will remain in this rearward (actually middle/center) position. This mode will also automatically engage after the first trigger pull in double action mode.
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For some reason people are confused by the P99 trigger system. My neighbor had one for 7 yrs and didn't know it had a de-cocker until I showed him. I have high hopes that the P-10 will be a poly/striker gun I can love. Considering all that it shares with the P-07, there's a pretty good chance. :)
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I'm fairly certain I'll be adding one to the demo kit once they become available.
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While I understand the reasons for the pistol, I still feel a little conflicted about it.
I've read all the posts, I've watched the video a few times. There are two things that I really love about CZ pistols, and this gun did away with one of them. The excellent ergonomics are still there. To me, the hammer is the soul of CZ pistols. The gun is a little bland, visually. Bland is the striker-fired market.
I don't know. Like I said, I just don't feel that excited about it. It could be a fantastic gun, but it just doesn't "do it" for me.
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My take on it:
I've been desiring a poly pistol for some time to cut back on weight (EDC is a 75C).
While I carry C&L, I'm not against a striker fired pistol - my primary preference is that each trigger pull be the same and, preferably, good - which by all accounts the P-10's is.
Glock 19 is the ideal size, but the grip doesn't fit me. The closest thing to CZ's palm swell that I've found in a plastic gun is the M&P, but with that you're either stuck with full size or the (to my mind) too small Compact.
I'm pretty excited about it, myself. I'd been pretty close to giving the M&P a shot as a carry gun, but this one is a lock.
I would like it if it took existing P-07 magazines, but I'd like it even more if there were Mec Gar mags available. Maybe now there will be.
Sights are another issue. It looks like they may be the same cuts as the P-07. I definitely need some type of good night sights on a carry gun, and I've recently discovered the Truglo TFX on one of my 75s. Best all around sights I've ever used. Unfortunately, they don't yet make those for the polymer CZs. I'm pretty confident that Mepro or something will be available in short order, though.
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I'm interested. The apparent palm swell is (hopefully) what I was missing with the P-07 that I sold.
Of course, the next question is: will they carry said palm swell over to the next gen P-07 and 09?
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Is the detail stripping will be as simple as the Glock pistol?
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Is the detail stripping will be as simple as the Glock pistol? Or it is also an omega system?
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I'm not super interested in buying one, but I'd be open to winning one at a match and then not selling it. That said, I'm all for CZ having huge success with this so they can expand their lines and get me more of he guns I am interested in.
That said, it seems like they accurately set out to make a successful striker gun.
- Use Glock Holsters
- better trigger than PPQ
- Excellent ergos
- Slide on Frame, not slide in frame (big criticism of folks who wouldn't buy CZ's anyway)
- Full Ambi (that's all the rage now, not sure why. Seems more a liability than a feature to me anyways, if I was a lefty I wouldn't say that I'm sure)
- Super low bore axis, nearly Steyr territory.
Now they will bring in like 50 a quarter and we can all fight over them I guess.
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I'm not super interested in buying one, but I'd be open to winning one at a match and then not selling it. That said, I'm all for CZ having huge success with this so they can expand their lines and get me more of he guns I am interested in.
That said, it seems like they accurately set out to make a successful striker gun.
- Use Glock Holsters
- better trigger than PPQ
- Excellent ergos
- Slide on Frame, not slide in frame (big criticism of folks who wouldn't buy CZ's anyway)
- Full Ambi (that's all the rage now, not sure why. Seems more a liability than a feature to me anyways, if I was a lefty I wouldn't say that I'm sure)
- Super low bore axis, nearly Steyr territory.
Now they will bring in like 50 a quarter and we can all fight over them I guess.
Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that it only fits in some of the leather Glock 19 holsters out there. All of my holsters are kydex anyways. The ambi is cool for lefties, and it's a popular design requirement for new military contracts. I hope it lives up to our expectations, but only time will tell. Either way I'll be buying the first one I can get my hands on!
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I'm not super interested in buying one, but I'd be open to winning one at a match and then not selling it. That said, I'm all for CZ having huge success with this so they can expand their lines and get me more of he guns I am interested in.
That said, it seems like they accurately set out to make a successful striker gun.
- Use Glock Holsters
- better trigger than PPQ
- Excellent ergos
- Slide on Frame, not slide in frame (big criticism of folks who wouldn't buy CZ's anyway)
- Full Ambi (that's all the rage now, not sure why. Seems more a liability than a feature to me anyways, if I was a lefty I wouldn't say that I'm sure)
- Super low bore axis, nearly Steyr territory.
Now they will bring in like 50 a quarter and we can all fight over them I guess.
Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that it only fits in some of the leather Glock 19 holsters out there. All of my holsters are kydex anyways. The ambi is cool for lefties, and it's a popular design requirement for new military contracts. I hope it lives up to our expectations, but only time will tell. Either way I'll be buying the first one I can get my hands on!
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I asked CZ specifically and they say it will fit in G19 Kydex and retention holsters. Seems crazy but apparently they designed it from the get go to be this way and I'm sure they have tested plenty of g19 holsters before making these statements. See the bottom of my screen shot.
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I'm not super interested in buying one, but I'd be open to winning one at a match and then not selling it. That said, I'm all for CZ having huge success with this so they can expand their lines and get me more of he guns I am interested in.
That said, it seems like they accurately set out to make a successful striker gun.
- Use Glock Holsters
- better trigger than PPQ
- Excellent ergos
- Slide on Frame, not slide in frame (big criticism of folks who wouldn't buy CZ's anyway)
- Full Ambi (that's all the rage now, not sure why. Seems more a liability than a feature to me anyways, if I was a lefty I wouldn't say that I'm sure)
- Super low bore axis, nearly Steyr territory.
Now they will bring in like 50 a quarter and we can all fight over them I guess.
Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that it only fits in some of the leather Glock 19 holsters out there. All of my holsters are kydex anyways. The ambi is cool for lefties, and it's a popular design requirement for new military contracts. I hope it lives up to our expectations, but only time will tell. Either way I'll be buying the first one I can get my hands on!
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I asked CZ specifically and they say it will fit in G19 Kydex and retention holsters. Seems crazy but apparently they designed it from the get go to be this way and I'm sure they have tested plenty of g19 holsters before making these statements. See the bottom of my screen shot.
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Oh wow! Well that's a huge plus for me, then! Obviously I'd want to train with a new pistol before carrying it, and custom kydex ain't cheap. Thanks, Brian!
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While I understand the reasons for the pistol, I still feel a little conflicted about it.
I've read all the posts, I've watched the video a few times. There are two things that I really love about CZ pistols, and this gun did away with one of them. The excellent ergonomics are still there. To me, the hammer is the soul of CZ pistols. The gun is a little bland, visually. Bland is the striker-fired market.
I don't know. Like I said, I just don't feel that excited about it. It could be a fantastic gun, but it just doesn't "do it" for me.
Feel the same way. Something's just not doing it for me. Just not feeling it.
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I think the idea of using the G19 holster is brilliant.
If the trigger is as good as reported it will be a winner...
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Feel the same way. Something's just not doing it for me. Just not feeling it.
I concur. I hope they offer a model with a safety, otherwise I don't see any reason to buy this over a Walther.
It seems to me the Arsenal Stryke One or the older Steyr pistols do a better job of combining striker fire with an ultra low bore axis, which is the main feature that sets CZ's apart in the hammer-fired world.
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Feel the same way. Something's just not doing it for me. Just not feeling it.
I concur. I hope they offer a model with a safety, otherwise I don't see any reason to buy this over a Walther.
It seems to me the Arsenal Stryke One or the older Steyr pistols do a better job of combining striker fire with an ultra low bore axis, which is the main feature that sets CZ's apart in the hammer-fired world.
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I love my CZ's and am definitely going to get the P10C myself, but this whole CZ "low bore axis" myth is funny. True, the design of the CZ lets us get a nice high grip on the pistol, but it does not guarantee a low bore axis. The lowest bore axis on any CZ that I am aware of is on my beloved, albeit discontinued, CZ 100. Here's a few pictures of my personal collection through the years. You be the judge!
Steyr C9-A1 and P-07:
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CZ's vs Glock (yuk!):
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P-07, CZ 100, Steyr M9, Glock 19:
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P-07, PPQ, Steyr C9-A1:
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Here is what I consider a good example of bore axis, ranging from very high to as low as you can get:
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Two of the current lowest bore axis pistols made, Glock and Steyr:
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With all that, I could care less about the doggone bore axis. Just shoot the dang pistol to the best of your abilities. Train with it, use it, make it a natural extension of your arm and hand, regardless of whether it's the latest and greatest, or some old-school DA revolver!
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Yeah, I'm thinking the Steyr's low bore axis is as low as you can go! :)
I'm also thinking that my Steyr L9A1 might preclude me getting into a Cz10.
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Steyr L9A1 9mm Pistol - Right Hand View
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Yeah, I'm thinking the Steyr's low bore axis is as low as you can go! :)
In a bottom feeder maybe. You can go even lower on a round (well... round-ish) gun:
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Fires from the bottom cylinder.
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Bore axis has always been an interesting subject IMO. In all of the years I've been shooting, I've never noticed that much of a difference between firearms based on the bore height. The things that I believe make the biggest difference from firearm to firearm are ergonomics of the firearm, trigger quality and proper fundamentals on the part of the shooter.
That being said, I can't wait to pick up the new P10. Anyone hear anything about an updated time table for the P10's release?
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Bore axis has always been an interesting subject IMO. In all of the years I've been shooting, I've never noticed that much of a difference between firearms based on the bore height. The things that I believe make the biggest difference from firearm to firearm are ergonomics of the firearm, trigger quality and proper fundamentals on the part of the shooter.
That being said, I can't wait to pick up the new P10. Anyone hear anything about an updated time table for the P10's release?
Agree, subtle differences but have always been able to notice less "muzzle flip" with my Glocks vs the high bore axis of my Sig Sauers (cal. and barrel comparable).
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I saw tha MAC video on this pistol a couple of days ago.
I have to admit to being intrigued!
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I saw tha MAC video on this pistol a couple of days ago.
I have to admit to being intrigued!
I agree with you 100%. Really looking forward to getting my hands on one.
rich63
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I love that all the top hammer companies are getting with the program. If it's as good as they say, it might rival my VP9 & p320. Can't wait to buy one.
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I don't think this is a case of a top-hammer company (CZ) getting with the program (plastic, striker-fired). Instead, CZ is putting a new and fresh spin on the striker mechanism. It's like a Glock body with a unique CZ soul (smooth, dare I say polished, light striker). The striker mechanism is indeed different from other strikers, and its feel might convince a lot of fans of other brands to try, and perhaps convert to, CZ.
That's why this pistol is not radically different. (Say, familiar CZ slide-in-frame, but a new striker). It's similar enough to other striker pistols so that it provides a smoother transition of those shooters to this pistol. If it were too different, less striker guys would give it a try. Not a bad strategy actually.
Phase One: Bring a familiar striker gun to market with an exceptional new striker mechanism. Convert some xyz-fanboys to the CZ brand.
Phase Two; Produce a metal/allow, slide-in-frame variant featuring the new striker mechanism. Alternatively, stay with polymer, but introduce a frame-in-slide version with the striker. (Appeal to both camps)
If CZ made a striker-fired 75, I'd be all over it to give a striker a try. Maybe call it a P z58. :)
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I love that all the top hammer companies are getting with the program. If it's as good as they say, it might rival my VP9 & p320. Can't wait to buy one.
What program? Strikers aren't better, just different and cheaper to manufacture.
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With all that, I could care less about the doggone bore axis. Just shoot the dang pistol to the best of your abilities. Train with it, use it, make it a natural extension of your arm and hand, regardless of whether it's the latest and greatest, or some old-school DA revolver!
Cyanide, I have to agree with you you just practice and shoot it , and be comfortable with it, depends upon the shooter.
ever watch the videos of Hickok45 ..that guy shoots anything very well. shooting experience and technique.JMHO