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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: Yoni on December 20, 2016, 09:42:08 AM
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In some circles a highly modified Glock 19 has become the newest rage. This consist of a Glock 19 with a RMR and a comp among other modifications.
Since a Glock is a pistol without class or soul, I would never build one of these.
However I got thinking that a P07, might make a great pistol for these modifications.
So has anyone built one"
http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/the-guns-network/the-roland-special-glock-19/
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In some circles a highly modified Glock 19 has become the newest rage. This consist of a Glock 19 with a RMR and a comp among other modifications.
Since a Glock is a pistol without class or soul, I would never build one of these.
However I got thinking that a P07, might make a great pistol for these modifications.
So has anyone built one"
http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/the-guns-network/the-roland-special-glock-19/
Does anyone make an aftermarket comp?
That is all I lack.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/755b1ea3e95d30bdec34fc43cb0c9b35.jpg)
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http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=365
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http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=365
Interesting... thanks!
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I've been thinking about this for a while now.
Every aftermarket comp I've run across doesn't fit the profile of the slide.
If CZC or CGW came up with a short, four port comp that followed the slide contour I'd buy in a heartbeat.
The closest thing I've seen is this modified Czechmate comp, but it's for a Czechmate, not a p-07 and it's way too long.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag460/MisterMoad/4SALEZ/asdf_zpsmgvir6iv.jpg)
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If someone made a slide contoured comp that made the comp/barrel the same length as an 09, I'd seriously consider making an 07 Roland Special. Figure it would fit just right in an 09 holster.
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What kinda of actual benefit do you get from a compensator? A p09 has close to no muzzleflip as is. Also, you need a lighter recoil spring in order for it to run reliably?
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Think of it like a cary race gun.
I don't have any experience with the P-09, but it would still tame muzzle flip.
I can't comment on spring weight either, but that varies from weapon to weapon.
I've used the "Roland Special" config on a G19 and it's a completely different weapon with the comp and mrds.
I'd love to have the option run a comp on the P-07 that fit most holsters.
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If someone made a slide contoured comp that made the comp/barrel the same length as an 09, I'd seriously consider making an 07 Roland Special. Figure it would fit just right in an 09 holster.
I would be all over that! :)
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Think of it like a cary race gun.
I don't have any experience with the P-09, but it would still tame muzzle flip.
I can't comment on spring weight either, but that varies from weapon to weapon.
I've used the "Roland Special" config on a G19 and it's a completely different weapon with the comp and mrds.
I'd love to have the option run a comp on the P-07 that fit most holsters.
Thank you for the info! Only gun with less flip is a SP01. The P09 snaps quick, gives you the impression it is going to roll back, but stops before it does. An Sp01 simply does nothing unless you get the odd hot round in a box of ammo.
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When I first read Roland I was thinking 460 Rowland, I thought you were crazy talking about making a p07 version.
Looking at the site i realize it (and the Rowland kit) come in 9mm. But I dont see anything about the load they shoot with it.
Taken from http://www.460rowland.com/product/compensated-glock-19-conversion/
"Johnny has developed a 9mm / 357 Magnum equivalent and we call it the .960 Rowland?. It will deliver a 115gr bullet downrange at 1600 ft/sec, and a 147gr bullet at over 1400 ft/second! Other loads will be developed in the future and velocities for these two loads will be increased as well." - See more at: http://www.460rowland.com/product/compensated-glock-19-conversion/#sthash.sxvFM0F2.dpuf
I dont see any load data in the first link, other than "full-power duty ammunition found on the commercial market" -Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/the-guns-network/the-roland-special-glock-19/#ixzz4Tctg3s8X
Also, that "read more" thing is odd....
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I remember the first time we shot my P09 9MM. We'd been shooting the M&P .357 SIG prior to the new P09. When I was shooting the P09 I knew it was going off as I could hear the noise, sometimes see the brass, see the bullet holes in the target but the recoil was so light I was having to use the other three things to convince myself it was indeed going "bang".
I remember stopping several times during the first magazine and looking at the gun and my brother and we talked about (after he shot it) how light the recoil was. I need to shoot that gun more.
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Roland Special, is not the same as a Rowland 960 or 460.
Roland Special from what I understand was created by ex and current Delta soldiers.
I think a P07 would make a super soft shooting pistol, I know it has it covered in the accuracy department.
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I would love to have a comp for my P-07. I've often thought of taking something like a Lone Wolf Square comp and just cutting it custom to match but I've got enough other things to do that I've never done it. I do have one of their (Lone Wolf) comps for my 10mm G20's and just fiddling around with it it looks like you could match the slide contour at least enough to make it look semi-organic to the pistol. Something fully custom would be awesome though too and I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen one yet for the P-09 at least.
Overall, I think the P-07 makes a GREAT analog for anything the Glock G19 is considered for. My own P-07 took over from my G19 as my EDC pistol for ~90% of my carry needs. I like the Omega trigger enough with a few very minor mods for a carry trigger and in SA mode it's still better then any striker-fired trigger out there IMO.
Blue
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Roland Special, is not the same as a Rowland 960 or 460.
Roland Special from what I understand was created by ex and current Delta soldiers.
I think a P07 would make a super soft shooting pistol, I know it has it covered in the accuracy department.
Named for Roland Deschain, the screen name of the guy who did it. Video of how it came to be, and a pretty good forum that discusses it as well. As far as work goes, I do believe Boresight Solutions is working on them now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfl9DupLLmw
https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-roland-special.827/
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Thanks for the vid Bigfug.
Given that the P-07 has a soul, and is softer than a 19 to begin with, a Roland Special style 07 would be perfect.
I wonder if the P-07 will catch on enough to merit KKM or one of the other big barrel cos to start match barrel / comp production?
Hopefully CZC or CGW will get that ball rolling.
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I have been looking at photos of some of carry comps, some people have built. If someone would offer a P07 carry comp that had such fine work done on it where the comp and slide meet, I think they would sell a lot of them. The Roland Specials to me look like an add on with the comps while a carry comp done by top gunsmiths on the 1911 look like fine art.
Scroll down in the thread and you will see the great work on this 1911, the line between the comp and slide is almost not there.
http://ingunowners.com/forums/diamond-collision/377134-caspian-carry-comp-build.html
If we could get a comp that follows the great lines of the P07/09, and then matches up this fine. WOW!
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I have been looking at photos of some of carry comps, some people have built. If someone would offer a P07 carry comp that had such fine work done on it where the comp and slide meet, I think they would sell a lot of them. The Roland Specials to me look like an add on with the comps while a carry comp done by top gunsmiths on the 1911 look like fine art.
Scroll down in the thread and you will see the great work on this 1911, the line between the comp and slide is almost not there.
http://ingunowners.com/forums/diamond-collision/377134-caspian-carry-comp-build.html
If we could get a comp that follows the great lines of the P07/09, and then matches up this fine. WOW!
That cary comp is a true work of art.
However, the price would be astronomical because each comp would have to be and fit and the slide would have to be fit as well.
It would be awesome to see someone do this with a CZ75.
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I understand the cost would be high. I think the KKM comps on the end of the Glocks look terrible. Not due to the workmenship of KKM, but do to the fact they just look added on.
I would love to have a comped P07 that was somewhere in the middle between the Glocks and the 1911, so you could be proud of it.
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See if this will work for you.
http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=365&categoryId=42 (http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=365&categoryId=42)
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Could you take a P09 and port the last inch, or so, of the barrel and slide, while cutting the grip short (like some people do with Glocks) to give you the very nice looking slide/ported look with the shorter grip of a compact?
It would probably mean using a P07 hammer/spring and guide and hammer spring cap/lanyard ring due to the shorter grip frame length.
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At that point I think you'd be better off putting a P-09 top-end on the P-07 frame (not sure if this is as simple as it is with the SP-01/P-01... I don't have my P-09 handy to try it out with my P-07 currently) cause cutting into the grip and re-forming all the inherent pieces that support the main-spring/Strut/back-strap etc, while possible, probably isn't going to be terribly easy and has the potential to look like a complete mess and ruin a perfectly good P-07.
I still think cutting down an existing comp like a Lone-Wolf is a better choice or just trying that Springer Precision comp (although it's fairly goofy looking IMO and whoever the designer was did some weird things to try and "match" the slide... poorly) on the P-07. I'm guessing should work as the front slide dim's are identical as would be the threaded barrel etc. My only concern would be slide timing with the shorter barrel/comp/recoil spring but that's all easily worked out.
Blue
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I was thinking about trying this comp from YHM. Needs a threaded barrel. Might look cool on the P09.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170119/c188116cc9ef2d559f11b63b25b37bad.png)
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Some P-09s here with Springer Precision compensators:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=77684.0 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=77684.0)
http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=365 (http://shop.springerprecision.com/product.sc?productId=365)
(http://shop.springerprecision.com/images/P09%20COMP%204.jpg)
dave33
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/dave33-33/ADB318EB-1D45-4FD6-BD99-72013916980C.jpg)
BrazeauRacing
(http://www.brazeauracing.com/firearms/czp09_11.jpg)
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A comp on a 9mm??? ???
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I use the springer comp with the standard recoil spring. Makes a noticeable difference in muzzle flip.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/921/yMpCO0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plyMpCO0j)
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There is a new 1/2x28 "Micro Comp" that is becoming a popular option due to its compact size:
(https://tbrci.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Micro-Comp-05-2.jpg)
https://tbrci.com/product/glock-micro-comp/ (https://tbrci.com/product/glock-micro-comp/)
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Also, a smaller "Glock 43 Comp" is available from the same company in 1/2 x 28:
(https://tbrci.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/G43-Micro-Comp-03.jpg)
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Lone Wolf also sells comps in a variety of calibers (9mm, 40S&W, 357SIG, 45ACP, 10mm, 460):
(https://www.lonewolfdist.com/itemmedia/10000/10000_237858.jpg)
https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=919522&CAT=233 (https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=919522&CAT=233)
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Question for you guys on the Springer Comp for the P09?
Their website says: "These compensators are specifically designed for the CZ P09/P07 factory extended threaded barrel and to work with factory ammunition and a reduced power recoil spring."
Do I need to run a reduced power recoil spring or am I ok with the factory spring?
I assume the Comp makes the pistol louder from the shooters perspective? Much louder?
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Mine runs 115 ball just fine with a standard recoil spring.
Also! Make sure to hand cycle any comp you use! The cz's have high frame rails and that could lead to interference issues. Heres a picture of my springer comp. See the cuts on the edge of the comp to keep from contacting the frame.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/922/fwjWSZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmfwjWSZj)
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I use the springer comp with the standard recoil spring. Makes a noticeable difference in muzzle flip.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/921/yMpCO0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plyMpCO0j)
Which DG switch is that?
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DG-12 for the m&p.
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S0nspark, who did the optic mounting on yours? All the jobs I've seen require the front sight to be removed or transferred in front of the RDS.
In some circles a highly modified Glock 19 has become the newest rage. This consist of a Glock 19 with a RMR and a comp among other modifications.
Since a Glock is a pistol without class or soul, I would never build one of these.
However I got thinking that a P07, might make a great pistol for these modifications.
So has anyone built one"
http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/the-guns-network/the-roland-special-glock-19/
Does anyone make an aftermarket comp?
That is all I lack.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/755b1ea3e95d30bdec34fc43cb0c9b35.jpg)
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s0nspark, who did the optic mounting on yours? All the jobs I've seen require the front sight to be removed or transferred in front of the RDS.
Mark Housel @ L&M Precision Gunworks
http://www.landmprecisiongunworks.com
He actually milled a new rear dovetail ;-)
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DG-12 for the m&p.
How do you like the DG switch? I am on the fence about trying one... I like the idea of being able to control the light one handed while shooting but I'm not sure I would like having the switch under my finger ;-)
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I tested the Springer comp on a P-07 today, it would not even eject with a 15# spring.
I have 10, 11 and 12# springs on the way, and will test them with several different types of ammo to see what works best.
I will also test on one with a CGW hammer and spring, which might require a slightly stronger recoil spring.
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DG-12 for the m&p.
How do you like the DG switch? I am on the fence about trying one... I like the idea of being able to control the light one handed while shooting but I'm not sure I would like having the switch under my finger ;-)
I've been using the DG switch for years on my Sigs at work. They work great. Takes a little getting used to it but is my preferred set up when using a light.
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DG-12 for the m&p.
How do you like the DG switch? I am on the fence about trying one... I like the idea of being able to control the light one handed while shooting but I'm not sure I would like having the switch under my finger ;-)
I've been using the DG switch for years on my Sigs at work. They work great. Takes a little getting used to it but is my preferred set up when using a light.
Good to hear - I really do want to try one. As soon as my new JMCK holsters arrive I will give a DG switch a go :)
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So the ligher CGW recoil springs are not flat springs, and that means they are too long to allow the slide to move all the way back.
I will get some measurements with a caliper, do the math, and see how much I need to cut them so the gun will cycle correctly, might have to get a captive recoil assembly to make it easier.
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Ok not to resurrect a dead thread or anything, but I was wondering if anyone has picked up a TBRC micro comp (a lot of glock guys are running them on their blasters) And put one on a P07. They seem to have the same thread pattern as the one CZ customs has to offer 1/2x28 but a smaller overall length
I'd love to see a sweet comp for carry on a P07 that isn't overly long. Not that it would do me much good while I still live in NY and while a compensator on a handgun is not illegal, a threaded barrel is (makes no sense I know but that's the bs we have to deal with)
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Ok not to resurrect a dead thread or anything, but I was wondering if anyone has picked up a TBRC micro comp (a lot of glock guys are running them on their blasters) And put one on a P07.
This is on my curiosities list - I may have to pick one up before long and try it out!
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Ok not to resurrect a dead thread or anything, but I was wondering if anyone has picked up a TBRC micro comp (a lot of glock guys are running them on their blasters) And put one on a P07.
This is on my curiosities list - I may have to pick one up before long and try it out!
Well you will have to post up if and when you do
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I am curios about this as well. The P07 with the RMR and X300 needs a comp. then I will need another P07.
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I started this thread, but my work has become so crazy I have done nothing to move forward on it.
But I will get to it soon. I hope!
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New JMCK light-bearing AIWB #1 holsters arrived. Color me very happy!
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Just stumbled on this older thread; thanks to recent posts. A lot of good info here.
I just ordered a P-07 Urban grey to make a dedicated Optic Gun expecting to p/u this weekend. I posted a new thread yesterday requesting experience and suggestions from anyone who's milled the P-07 for a Leupold Delta Point Pro. Wondering if the optional DP rear co-witness iron is adjustable enough to work with the P-07 suppressor's tall tritium front sight? I had been planning to use CZCustom for milling.
Thanks s0nspark and others for posting the P-07 images. I had also been considering the Springer Comp. Good to get feedback from others who have traveled this road already. No need to re-invent the wheel. :-\
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Just stumbled on this older thread; thanks to recent posts. A lot of good info here.
I just ordered a P-07 Urban grey to make a dedicated Optic Gun expecting to p/u this weekend. I posted a new thread yesterday requesting experience and suggestions from anyone who's milled the P-07 for a Leupold Delta Point Pro. Wondering if the optional DP rear co-witness iron is adjustable enough to work with the P-07 suppressor's tall tritium front sight? I had been planning to use CZCustom for milling.
Thanks s0nspark and others for posting the P-07 images. I had also been considering the Springer Comp. Good to get feedback from others who have traveled this road already. No need to re-invent the wheel. :-\
If you get a comp, post pictures. I'm trying to find the dimension of both the springer cz comp and the tbrc micro comp (says it's for glocks but I don't see why it couldn't work for a p07) I'd love to add a comp to my EDC p07 (which I'm waiting for my RMR rm07 to come in then off to L and M for milling and buis)
And now since I mentioned before I live in NY and if any other NYers or people who know of the safe act knows, we can't have "threaded barrels capable of accepting a compensator......." Well I'm almost half tempted to see if I can get the comp pinned and welded to the barrel (in my mind I can still picture being able to break down the gun, slide off, enough to do all the normal cleaning)
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New JMCK light-bearing AIWB #1 holsters arrived. Color me very happy!
Congrats, the holster and P07 look great!
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New JMCK light-bearing AIWB #1 holsters arrived. Color me very happy!
Congrats, the holster and P07 look great!
Thanks! Only carried with the new holster for a day or so but it addressed all the issues I had with the Raptor and is more comfortable to boot!
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New JMCK light-bearing AIWB #1 holsters arrived. Color me very happy!
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That looks great! Looking forward to your thoughts on the new setup.
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That looks great! Looking forward to your thoughts on the new setup.
Thanks! Tony does awesome work...
I'm gonna give it a week or two and then I'll post a full review :)
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That looks great! Looking forward to your thoughts on the new setup.
Thanks! Tony does awesome work...
I'm gonna give it a week or two and then I'll post a full review :)
Yeah, I'm pretty tempted to order from Tony for my Rami and my soon to arrive P-07.
What mag carriers are those?
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Yeah, I'm pretty tempted to order from Tony for my Rami and my soon to arrive P-07.
What mag carriers are those?
Those are T. Rex ... I like that they are reversible so I can use them IWB or OWB. Mine are set up IWB.
I do wish the clips were a little stronger but on the whole they have worked out well.
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We're expanding our Stealth Comp and making a model for the P-07/09 line very soon. It's being worked on now. ;)
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We're expanding our Stealth Comp and making a model for the P-07/09 line very soon. It's being worked on now. ;)
This is wonderful news. (Especially since there seems to be so much fanboying to the 10c, which don't get me wrong I want one and bet it's wonderful, I just don't want to see the 07 and 09 fall even farther to the backburner)
Now if only there could be a nice carry magwel to add the the P07
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We're expanding our Stealth Comp and making a model for the P-07/09 line very soon. It's being worked on now. ;)
Awesome! Please post here when it is available... for those of us with limited memory :)
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We're expanding our Stealth Comp and making a model for the P-07/09 line very soon. It's being worked on now. ;)
Any news on this? A comp that made the 07 the same length/profile as an 09 would make holster selection pretty easy. Just saying.
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FYI: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=91149.0
Super-excited about this! :-)
I was told that the comp adds ~1.2" to the gun when attached...
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We're expanding our Stealth Comp and making a model for the P-07/09 line very soon. It's being worked on now. ;)
Any news on this? A comp that made the 07 the same length/profile as an 09 would make holster selection pretty easy. Just saying.
A combo that short would be essentially useless and very ineffective. You're talking about 3/4" lol. Single baffle/chamber comps just don't work. That's why ours is so much more effective than the others out there in the same size range as ours.
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We're expanding our Stealth Comp and making a model for the P-07/09 line very soon. It's being worked on now. ;)
Any news on this? A comp that made the 07 the same length/profile as an 09 would make holster selection pretty easy. Just saying.
A combo that short would be essentially useless and very ineffective. You're talking about 3/4" lol. Single baffle/chamber comps just don't work. That's why ours is so much more effective than the others out there in the same size range as ours.
Ok. Thx.
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Awesome looking Comp.
Now all I need to find is a company that ends up making a magwell for the P-07 And all my carry gun dreams can be met
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I needed to repost this here :)
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I needed to repost this here :)
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I needed to repost this here :)
(https://images.imgbox.com/f5/a7/WUtfMD3z_o.jpg)
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Does the DG switch get in the way of holster use?
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Does the DG switch get in the way of holster use?
My carry holster was ordered with support for the DG switch.
It may be possible to use a DG switch with other holsters after some judicious attention with a heat gun... assuming there is enough material to work with.
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Here is some more info on my carry setup, for any who may be interested...
As mentioned, I am using a JM Custom Kydex light-bearing AIWB Wing Claw #1 holster for the P-09 with a Surefire X300U-B. I modded it to support the P-07 + Primary Machine Stealth comp by wrapoping the comp with a few layers of painters tape, inserting the gun as far as it would go and then holding the end over a heat gun on low until I could insert the gun all the way. I then let it cool and it turned out great IMO.
(https://thumbs.imgbox.com/e2/ab/61aMPvFB_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/61aMPvFB) (https://thumbs.imgbox.com/72/de/F9jLn47v_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/F9jLn47v) (https://thumbs.imgbox.com/0b/4d/OXutHi0l_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/OXutHi0l)
I modded the DG switch using the method suggested by Kit Badger on YouTube ... basically it involved wrapping some blue painters tape around the switch bar and then adding another piece on 1/2" heat shrink tubing. Now what it may lack in original clean lines it will make up for in robustness :)
The pad is something I've recently upgraded. I had used a foam wedge from Mastermind Tactics for a long time but decided I really needed a different approach. Here is the old wedge...
(https://thumbs.imgbox.com/36/4c/52AYokMK_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/52AYokMK) (https://thumbs.imgbox.com/94/52/zAN7slU2_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/zAN7slU2)
The only reason I have for a pad or wedge is because corner of the holster where the light ends sometimes bites my leg when I sit. I picked up a Microban-treated camping pad from Walmart and some industrial velcro for about the same price as 3 of the foam wedges I was using and I am set for a good long while now ;-)
(https://thumbs.imgbox.com/39/58/Yg9sdkBe_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/Yg9sdkBe)
(https://thumbs.imgbox.com/1e/cf/cJSkwRG2_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/cJSkwRG2)
I decided to fully wrap the new pad instead of just hanging it over the edge as I had the wedge. This setup is totally comfortable for me now.
(https://thumbs.imgbox.com/b1/07/EjKAtsoS_t.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/EjKAtsoS)