The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: jwc007 on January 01, 2017, 01:27:10 PM
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https://youtu.be/4gqr2epxaWk
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I always enjoy his reviews.
It looks like the P10 is going to be hard to keep on the shelves.
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Good review. He seems impressed by it. I almost didn't recognize him with the gray hair - been a while since I watched one of his reviews.
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Good review. Seems like there is a big difference in the the pre-production/T&E guns vs. a production guns, granted that might not be the case. Plenty of production guns have awesome triggers while others need breaking in.
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I've been watching sootch00 reviews for a while now and he owns a few CZ's. He seems very impressed with the P10C. I watched his review of the P10C an hour after it was available. The limited amount of reviews I've watched everyone seems very impressed. The more I watch these reviews the more I want this gun. I said earlier I was going to wait a while to get this gun, but I'm going to get one as soon as possible. Anyone else feel the same way I do?
rich63
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Good review. Seems like there is a big difference in the the pre-production/T&E guns vs. a production guns, granted that might not be the case. Plenty of production guns have awesome triggers while others need breaking in.
I believe Mac has a production gun. If you watch his video he likes the production gun. I believe he states on the video near the beginning that the trigger is not quite as smooth as the preproduction model, but by the end of his review he states that he can tell the trigger is smoothing out already. The T&E gun got passed around a lot and I'm sure it was well shot in.
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Never been much of a fan as he has struck me as a bit Pollyanna and lecturing. Glad the weapon is getting air time.
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Really digging the FDE. Really didn't want to get a first run but may have to.
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I too have found sootch00 at bit hard to sit through sometimes, but this is one of his better videos.
Interesting though are the out-takes and goofiness at the end!
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Thank you for posting the review. It was very well done. I appreciated the side-by-side comparison to the Walther PPQ. Since I own a PPQ, the comparison provided a frame of reference that I could easily relate to. The P10 looks like a very interesting firearm and worthy of strong consideration if one is considering the purchase of a striker fire pistol.
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I'm watching the reviews and it all seems very good. Good or bad, the P10C will be my next handgun, it has my attention.
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I just cant imagine myself not buying one of these as soon as they are released. Unless it just doesnt fit my hand well, which I cant imagine happening, I will own one soon. Striker fired guns dont bother me as long as they have a good trigger. I put a trigger kit in my XDM 5.25 and its excellent, looks like the P10 will be excellent out of the box. I just hope the accuracy is on par with the P-09 guns.
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It amazes me that a gun that some are saying is "just another striker fired mid sized gun" and "not really a CZ as it has no hammer and the slide is outside the frame" the amount of coverage on Youtube, Gun Magazines and Forums and no body has anything bad to say.
I guess I will check my secret stash and see if I have any cash in there. I think they will sell like hotcakes and at MSRP, at least until the market gets flooded which rarely happens with CZ.
Good review! If he will send me that hat I will shape the brim for him. I am from the South! ;D
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I just cant imagine myself not buying one of these as soon as they are released. Unless it just doesnt fit my hand well, which I cant imagine happening, I will own one soon. Striker fired guns dont bother me as long as they have a good trigger. I put a trigger kit in my XDM 5.25 and its excellent, looks like the P10 will be excellent out of the box. I just hope the accuracy is on par with the P-09 guns.
Could we see a comparison range report. I have a 5.25" XDM in 9mm and wasn't impressed with mine. Maybe I got a "bad" one. I keep telling myself I'm going to take the XDM, P09 and CZ 85 to the range to see how they shake out, but never remember to the XDM out of the safe.
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I just bought a P-07 Urban Gray Suppressor Ready just one week before news of the P-10. I had been planning on the P-07 for nearly a year, and placed an order with Eric at HBE Leatherworks for a Com III so I would have leather when I got my P-07. I gotta say, I'm VERY happy with my P-07...but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to have the P-10.
Now personally when it comes to handguns for self defense of me and mine, I don't trust ANYTHING that hasn't been on the market for more than 5 years, because even the absolute best in the business make mistakes. Literally every big name maker has introduced handguns that were found to have significant issues later on. Typically it takes many people pushing the pistol very hard and in very unconventional ways. That or some large LE or Military agency will push it hard and find a flaw.
I have to say, CZ tends to have the least issues for a brand new pistol of any maker I know...but they're not immune. So I'm happy to let others beta-test the P-10 while I enjoy the heck out of the P-07.
For those who just have to have the latest and greatest, please keep us in the loop. I'm VERY INTERESTED in hearing how this pistol performs, and what people's impressions are.
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Yeah, I remember the plastic frame bulge issue with the P07...
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I just cant imagine myself not buying one of these as soon as they are released. Unless it just doesnt fit my hand well, which I cant imagine happening, I will own one soon. Striker fired guns dont bother me as long as they have a good trigger. I put a trigger kit in my XDM 5.25 and its excellent, looks like the P10 will be excellent out of the box. I just hope the accuracy is on par with the P-09 guns.
Could we see a comparison range report. I have a 5.25" XDM in 9mm and wasn't impressed with mine. Maybe I got a "bad" one. I keep telling myself I'm going to take the XDM, P09 and CZ 85 to the range to see how they shake out, but never remember to the XDM out of the safe.
What did you find "bad" about your XDM? Other than the stock trigger I have really enjoyed mine. It does not have the pure mechanical accuracy of my P-09, but I can actually draw and shoot it faster, and the accuracy isnt terrible.
But once I have the new P-10c I will definitely put them all up together to see what they can do.
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Group size. I bought a 3.8" XDM in 9MM a few months later and everyone that shoots both shoots the 3.8" better. Not just me. Everybody likes the "little gun". Maybe the 5.25 is one of those guns that needs a "special" load for it. Some guns seem to not shoot much of anything very well unless you find that special load. My M1A is like that.
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Group size. I bought a 3.8" XDM in 9MM a few months later and everyone that shoots both shoots the 3.8" better. Not just me. Everybody likes the "little gun". Maybe the 5.25 is one of those guns that needs a "special" load for it. Some guns seem to not shoot much of anything very well unless you find that special load. My M1A is like that.
I agree I cant get the accuracy out of my XDM that I would like to, especially compared to my P-09, but dont think its terrible. I have several different loads for my P-09 that will group 1" at 25 yds, the best group I ever shot with my XDM was 2" at 25 yds but 3" groups are far more normal. That said, the XDM works better for me in steel challenge matches and IDPA, and my P-09 works better for me in Action Pistol/Bianchi cup matches, and they are somewhat equal in USPSA matches. Im hoping the P-10 can take the place of the XDM and give me the accuracy of the P-09, and its always fun to get new guns, right?
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its always fun to get new guns, right?
BINGO!
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Group size. I bought a 3.8" XDM in 9MM a few months later and everyone that shoots both shoots the 3.8" better. Not just me. Everybody likes the "little gun". Maybe the 5.25 is one of those guns that needs a "special" load for it. Some guns seem to not shoot much of anything very well unless you find that special load. My M1A is like that.
Don't have a 5.25 but can't say a bad thing about my 9mm 3.8 XDm. Works and shoots great.
Back to wanting the P-10C.
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I'm surprised no one has scored one of these yet since it looks like MAC received a production model just before Christmas. These should be hitting stores by now it seems.
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I was told the first production shipment has not yet arrived, but will probably late this month or early next month.
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I was told the first production shipment has not yet arrived, but will probably late this month or early next month.
I wonder how MAC got his hands on one?
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I've seen posts on other forums where people said they'd ordered one and were waiting on it to come in.
No idea if those people on this forum, too and the posts are repeats.
It's new. It's from a company with a reputation for making great pistols and people want them.
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I was told the first production shipment has not yet arrived, but will probably late this month or early next month.
I wonder how MAC got his hands on one?
Nice to know the right people I guess.
rich63
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I was told the first production shipment has not yet arrived, but will probably late this month or early next month.
I wonder how MAC got his hands on one?
Nice to know the right people I guess.
rich63
I reckon that must be it. Part of a reward for a good review maybe.
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There's always a few that come in ahead of the rest, media samples, I'm assuming.
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He makes it sound like this pistol is going to be VERY hard to get for the first year, at least at a reduced "street" price !!
Congrats to CZ !
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Another video on YouTube of a Texas gun dealer finally getting one in. LE edition.
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What is the name of that Texas store????
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What is the name of that Texas store????
SAW Inc. in Sunnyvale?
https://youtu.be/-frLG4G-3YA
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So if one of the biggest CZ dealers in Texas only got one in so far I wonder how long before my much lower volume CZ LGS will get one? :-[
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LE edition? Never heard of that model....
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From my understanding, LEO guns have a heavier trigger, or is that just a myth?
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So if one of the biggest CZ dealers in Texas only got one in so far I wonder how long before my much lower volume CZ LGS will get one? :-[
They usually get the first of anything but am surprised they just got one.
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flattus, only in New York City that I can recall - our issue sidearms have standard triggers in them. ;) NYC requires an insane heavy trigger, partially to blame for the 9 innocent bystanders that got injured in the Empire State Building shooting a few years ago, IIRC.
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Lol, makes sense amoredman.
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Good Lord. It is so hard for an impatient person to be patient :(
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Give me patience and do it right now?
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I placed an order with my LGS who said his distributor has it on backorder. So guess I'll have to keep enjoying my budget FNS9 in the meantime. Hoping it'll be weeks and not months
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I just bought a P-07 Urban Gray Suppressor Ready just one week before news of the P-10. I had been planning on the P-07 for nearly a year, and placed an order with Eric at HBE Leatherworks for a Com III so I would have leather when I got my P-07. I gotta say, I'm VERY happy with my P-07...but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to have the P-10.
Now personally when it comes to handguns for self defense of me and mine, I don't trust ANYTHING that hasn't been on the market for more than 5 years, because even the absolute best in the business make mistakes. Literally every big name maker has introduced handguns that were found to have significant issues later on. Typically it takes many people pushing the pistol very hard and in very unconventional ways. That or some large LE or Military agency will push it hard and find a flaw.
I have to say, CZ tends to have the least issues for a brand new pistol of any maker I know...but they're not immune. So I'm happy to let others beta-test the P-10 while I enjoy the heck out of the P-07.
For those who just have to have the latest and greatest, please keep us in the loop. I'm VERY INTERESTED in hearing how this pistol performs, and what people's impressions are.
Respectfully disagree, I have purchased Glocks, Sigs, failures right out of the box (a Gen 3 Glock 23 ans Sig 2022) of proven designs. Doesnt take five years for a gun to prove itself. Now certain new designs might generally have flaws but guns are mechanical, a proven design can fail as well as an unproven design can succeed. Waiting of course is your perogitive but a waste IMO, especially if a gun is desired. I will of course buy one and shoot the piss out of it, lets see how good or bad this gun is.
With that said, I recently purchases a new AR, the Saint. New AR but nothing of a game changing design and it failed after 210 rounds but thats is why I put any new gun through it paces.
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Sootch with another in-depth review, comparing the P-10 with a PPQ.
https://youtu.be/xF2Fatg4BrQ
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Hes a bit off on his trigger review on the PPQ. Feels like a bought and paid for review IMHO.
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Hes a bit off on his trigger review on the PPQ. Feels like a bought and paid for review IMHO.
agreed
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He is a CZ guy, so it is what it is. I know nothing about the Walther and walked away thinking it was a great gun after watching the same video.
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He is a CZ guy, so it is what it is. I know nothing about the Walther and walked away thinking it was a great gun after watching the same video.
Not knocking the CZ. Just never been a Sootch fan and the trigger on the PPQ gets uniform praise from owners and reviewers.
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I'm with you man. This is a T&E gun so who knows. The production gun in the MAC review seems realistic.
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I have a FEDEX tracking # inbound to me now. I ordered a black pistol through the LEO/MIL program.
I won't be able to get my hands on it until the end of the month.
I also own and enjoy the PPQ. I am looking forward to finding out for myself, but Sootch's video makes it pretty clear. This gun looks like a winner!
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Nice. 8)
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The CZ P10c wants to beat the G19, but the nearest rival of the G19 is the G17. Why is the G19 better than the G17?.... G19 has a Shorter grip than the G17 making it easy to conceal...And yet CZ Missed this Most Important feature... The czp10c has a Longer grip than the G19!
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With magazines inserted, only by a little, judging by the comparison photos I've seen. From Glock home page, for the G-19, HEIGHT:127 mm / 4.99 in.
The CZ-USA home page for the P-10C doesn't list height, so I went websurfing, and found one site that claims it's 5.2 inches tall. .3 inches, or 7.62mm taller, the diameter of a 30 caliber bullet. :) Not much difference, I think, but I could be wrong, we'll see once the gun really hits the market. I already carry a much bigger gun than a Glock because I can't stand Glock fit, feel, or trigger. Personal czoice, of course. ;)
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respectfully to all, a reported great cZ gun again... lets wait for a sample to hit the common users.. of course it will be different to all of us by any level 'seeing' these reviews/videos... IT IS something to get excited about.. but. Let's be real. AM I GONNA sell all my known performers to a review? nope. and I am a CZ fan! , this does mean! I will give it time and trial to be what it really is... any new gun NEEDs that History! to ensure ownership.
that being said.. I have shot lots of GlockS, accurately, from day one almost 20yrs ago first time in my hand breaking clay targets balanced on large strong wood stems of weeds. owned by a county part time sheriff.. I hit at 15yds and me NOT a handgun guy till almost 20 yrs later.
Thus, at my age, use, fit to hand / hit to aim / reliability / SA/DA day in an day out.. a CZ
respectfully,
K in MI