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GENERAL => Ammunition, questions, and handloading techniques => Topic started by: Dan_69GTX on March 05, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
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Last week while driving through TN I stopped at a few gun stores. Finally found some Bullseye to try without spending more on the hazmat and shipping than the powder itself.
Now to see if my guns like it as much as other's guns seem to like it...
I'll be using it behind some Berry's 115 RN and HBRN and same for 124
Also scored a decent price on 5K primers. Wasn't looking for that or needed it, but the price told me to buy it.
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There's a reason Bullseye powder has been around for over 100 years, it just works. It's my go to powder for .38 Special, and I'm getting a little concerned, since I've only got two more 8 pound kegs on my shelf after this one is emptied.........
Hope this helps.
Fred
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I really like Bullseye for .38 spl, mild .357 mag and it's my go to for .45 acp.
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I haven't used it with a 9mm yet but like it with a 45 200gn. LSWC.
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I use it in most all my range loads 9mm-115gr, 38 spl-158 gr, 32acp-71 gr, 380 acp-100gr, 32 S&W long-85gr (caliber-grain bullet) but typically use slower powders for magnum loads. Meters well through Lee Auto-Disc and seems to be pretty consistent.
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I like it with 38 Spcl too.
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I changed to Bullseye a couple of years ago for 9mm and use quite a bit of it now.
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Bullseye is to powder what .30-06 is to caliber -- sometimes you get something so right that it's still right a century later. ;)
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Well, I tried 2 ladders yesterday. Just the Berry's 9mm 115 and 124 RN. For my gun (SP-01 Target 2) the accuracy wasn't there on the 124, but was great for the 115 - so now I've got another known good load. I loaded up another 100 of 4.6 grains last night and will do some plinking later to see what it is like for when I'm not bench resting the gun.
Brass was mostly Geco. S&B primers. Using a LNL to load them.
When I say benching, I am not using a fancy rest. I rest the front of the gun on a towel on the saw horse. From 35' the 115 bullets were around 1" x 1.25 grouping. The 124s were about 1.5" x 2".
For the 115 bullet the 4.2 grain was the best for accuracy, but the 4.4 and 4.6 were not that far off. There was some burn residue on the outside of the 4.2 cases.
For the 115gr I did the following - 10 rounds each with Berry 115gr RN plated
4.2 grains
1.130 OAL
Ave speed: 1061.6
SD 18
4.4 grains
1.130 OAL
Ave speed: 1084.4
SD 15.9
4.6 grains
1.130 OAL
Ave speed: 1112
SD 17.3
Now to do more ladders with different bullets to see what happens.....
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What bullets did you use?
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Berry's 9mm/.356 115 Grain RN Bullets and Berry's 9mm/.356 124 Grain RN Bullets,
The 115 is what I gave the info for.
I just loaded a ladder for the Berry's 9mm/.356 115 Grain HBRN-TP - will try these when it isn't raining or windy.
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Scored a bunch of Bullseye recently and wanted to continue this thread.
Equipment List
Caliber: 9x19 Luger
Bullets: Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Brass: Mixed
Powder: Alliant Bullseye
Max Velocity: 1073 fps
Primer: Federal Small Pistol
OAL: 1.110"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
Qty: 10 rounds each, slow fired
Weather: 60F and clear
Chrono: ProChrono DLX
Load data from Lyman #49, 3.9-4.5gr @ 1.075"
Load Avg Vel SD
3.9gr 1038 16
4.0 1061 17
4.1 1084 6
4.2 1097 14
4.3 1123 9 Above Max Load
4.4 1129 9 Above Max Load
4.5 1146 16 Above Max Load
4.6 1175 8 Above Max Load
NOTES
• By the numbers those last 4 are above Max Load, but they did not feel or perform like it. Obviously, more testing is needed.
• This powder meters very well and has good case fill characteristics
• All these loads seemed to shoot fairly clean and had zero trash in the receiver
• All loads overate the slide on my SP-01
• I could easily become a Bullseye fan. It does a lot of things very nicely. I might have to eat some of my words.
(https://i.imgur.com/TTiWloR.jpg)
More photos to follow.
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I appreciate your reviving of this thread.
It just happens that I am looking for just a little more accuracy from my hand loads. And a few folks I know mention that Bullseye powder is what I need to try. Nice to see others with the same opinion.
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Testing on Nov 29 (finally !)....
(https://i.imgur.com/NXwNYiw.jpg)
Equipment List
Caliber: 38 Spcl
Bullets: ACME 148gr DEWC with HiTek coating
Brass: Mixed
Powder: Alliant Bullseye
Max Velocity: 925 fps
Primer: Federal Small Pistol
OAL: Set by bullet
Pistol: Ruger GP-100-6"
Qty: 10 rounds each, slow fired
Weather: 60F and clear
Chrono: ProChrono DLX
Load data from Lyman #49
Load Avg Vel SD
2.8gr 782 14
3.0 825 16
3.2 848 19
3.4 879 25
NOTES
• Shoots cleanly at any load
• Case fill was good with DEWC
• 3.0gr is supposed to be the standard NRA accuracy load
(https://i.imgur.com/PQECz4P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JTXwzPu.jpg)
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how do you like the 148 coated bullets' im thinking about trying some in my 686 with 38 sp. loads
Ron
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how do you like the 148 coated bullets' im thinking about trying some in my 686 with 38 Spcl loads
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I love them at distances under 50 feet. My favorites are the MBC coated, which are true Double Ended.
https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=236&category=5&secondary=9
(https://missouribullet.com/cw3/assets/product_expanded/ht_ppc2.jpg)
They also allow 2 mounting styles: flush or first crimp groove.
(https://i.imgur.com/XCa0JTP.jpg)
At the very conservative speeds around 750 fps, these do great.
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just got 200 to try I have 3 different loads to try 357 till I get some 38 spec. brass I had a bunch of red dot so going to try it for now 2.5 -2.7 - and 3.0 gr. for a start
Ron
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I just found Bullseye a few months ago, and it is a great powder in my CZ 9mm pistols. 4 grains under a cast 124gr powder coated lead bullet and we are in business. IIRC, it chronoed about 1070, not exactly a barn burner, but makes holes in paper and steel sing, accurately, every time. I think I may stick with Bullseye as my go-to powder...now what to do with those sealed cans of 700X...
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I just found Bullseye a few months ago, and it is a great powder in my CZ 9mm pistols. 4 grains under a cast 124gr powder coated lead bullet and we are in business. IIRC, it chronoed about 1070, not exactly a barn burner, but makes holes in paper and steel sing, accurately, every time. I think I may stick with Bullseye as my go-to powder...now what to do with those sealed cans of 700X...
Load it in 12, or 20, gauge. ;)
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This ancient powder continues to intrigue me....
Equipment List
Caliber: 38 Special
Bullets: Berry 148gr DEWC (plated)
Brass: Mixed
Powder: Alliant Bullseye (max load ~3.7gr)
Max Velocity: ~950 fps
Primer: CCI 500
OAL: Fully seated, bullet flush with case mouth
Pistol: Ruger GP100-6"
Qty: 10-12 rounds each, slow fired
Distance: 30ft measured and bench supported
Weather: 70F and clear
Chrono: ProChrono DLX
Load Avg Vel SD
3.2gr 779 22
3.4 834 17
NOTES
• Shot lots of lead DEWC at 3.0gr and wanted to know the best load to use with Berry plated
• Will load with 3.3gr next time
• TQ-2 target black measures 2.3 inches
• Not as pristine clean as modern powders, but it gets the job done !
• These are seated flush with the case mouth to occupy more case volume
• Accuracy was as shown below...
(https://i.imgur.com/Fo6Izlpl.jpg)
Results for 3.2gr
(https://i.imgur.com/gE1m0Nx.jpg)
Results for 3.4gr (Corrected)
(https://i.imgur.com/65Ud6kD.jpg)
Berry DEWC and HBWC shown flush seated
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Unacceptably sharp holes in that target!! How are you ever going to fudge a 10 ring shot out of what really is a 9 ringer? :) :)
(I love the wadcutter-esque big clean holes that those sharp edged bullets make. FMJ's are the worst.)
Joe
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Bullseye smells funny when you shoot it....
RCG
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Unacceptably sharp holes in that target!! How are you ever going to fudge a 10 ring shot out of what really is a 9 ringer?
Joe
Actually, the 3.2gr photo was mistakenly posted twice. That has now been corrected and shows I must be getting better with age.
When I grow up, I want to be like JoeL !! ;D
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Some things they got right 100+ years ago... bullseye... 30-06... oreos... manned flight.
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I started using Bullseye for my 148 grain HBWC 38 spl. and 200 grain SWC loads for 45 Auto in 1974 and I'm still using bullseye today. I can't say how many thousands of rounds I've loaded with Bullseye but I'd guess about a 1/4 million total. Call me old school but somethings just don't need fixing.