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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: BobcatAZ on May 29, 2017, 07:42:38 PM
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Just wondering everyones thoughts on the standard photoluminescent sights. For my older, bifocaled eyes I often struggle with focusing on front sights in general. The stock P10C sights are amazing immediately following exposure to a bright light but fall off very quickly. They do not seem to glow at all indoors even in a well lit room. They did not glow at all at the outdoor range either due to the firing line having a covered roof. Any thoughts?
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How did the p10 run for you? Sorry for the off topic post. I'm just going to wait it out until I can get a black rear and a tru glow front personally speaking.
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I'm right there with ya Bobcat. The one thing I don't like about CZ's are their factory sights. Actually just plain white 3 dots would be better for me than the ones they use. I don't even care for regular tritium night sights. No biggie to me though since I immediately change them out to either black u-notch rear/fiberoptic front or these Truglo TFX Pro's tritium/fiberoptic I just now put on my CZ 75 Compact. With the front orange outlined tritium dot, makes it easy to pick up the front sight in all lighting conditions.
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I had some concerns about the slide stop and mag release being extremely stiff but after 200 flawless rounds at the range those functions have loosened up quite a bit. Still a little stiff but fully functional. Gun was very accurate. Grips are perfect for a defensive weapon.I have TruGlo TFX Pros on my G27. Better than some but three dimley lit dots in total darkness or three brightly lit dots if standing in full sunlight are not ideal in a lot of self defense scenarios. If the fiber optic tubes were exposed on the sides instead of just on top they would work much better in different situations. Night sights need about 4 or 5 times more tritium than what they are legally restricted to. But I guess then the shooter would be glowing in the dark also! I may look into the Dawson fiber optic P07 front sight that a few others have mentioned.
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I have the standard 3 dots, but it's what was available at the time. :) When night sights come out I'll grab a set. I've never tried fiberoptics....
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CZ Customs has a set of night sights available. A little pricey but aren't they all. Check on their website, I am pretty sure they were listed.
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there's also a rumor of CZ 75 & CZ 75 SP01 SHADOW H-TAC Rear Sight and CZ Fiber Optic Front Sight 1.0 x 6.5mm (3.1mm Blade) P07 & P09 working on the p10c. (rumor came from czcustom...)
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I'm happy with the sights as delivered until I can get a set of TFX sights for it. I've found that I can hit the luminescent sights with an LED flashlight just before bed and they are still visible at 6am when I get up. By then, they are about the same as a set of 8 year old tritium sights. Usable, but not bright.
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So, what sights fit the P-10?
Would like better - either TFX or fiberoptic front.
Any word on sights from CGW, Dawson or CZ Custom? I thought I had seen something about some from CZ Custom, but don't find anything on their website...
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So, what sights fit the P-10?
Would like better - either TFX or fiberoptic front.
Any word on sights from CGW, Dawson or CZ Custom? I thought I had seen something about some from CZ Custom, but don't find anything on their website...
https://czcustom.com/cz-p10c-tritium-sight-set.html
Here ya go
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Czcustom sights
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Czcustom sights
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Have you shot it yet with these? Wondering if the POI changed
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I have shot it only with these. The minute i had the gun, i had the sights. I took it on faith that czcustom wouldn't sell a pair of sights that would be off. Had lgs/friend swap the sights, cleaned it. (Lgs/gunsmith liked the stock a little better) Took it to the range with a glock 19. The 19 has dawson black rear, fiber front, 4lb pull, wilson combat barrel but the two shot comparable. Didnt see any high or low, did not brace or sandbag, just shot one after the other. Trigger on p10 is shorter reset, good trigger out of the box even after the 19 had trigger work and spring adjustments.
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How would you compare the CZ Custom tritiums to the Dawson fiber optic/ black sights. Will probably wind up with Tru Glo TFX's if and when they become available for the P10C but the Dawsons seem pretty popular. I have the TFX's on my G27 and what really helps my old eyes is the white painted circle on the front sight. I think the TFX Pros have an orange ring.
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Two different types of sights but able to switch between the two fairly comfortably. Truglo would be nice but i wonder how long it will take to make a set for the p10, the rear sight has that unique dove cut so im wondering if that will slow them down for making a set.
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I am sure TruGlo is carefully watching how well the P10C sells. If it does well, they will have their sights available in no time. It's all about the money! The issue I have with the TruGlo's fiber optics is that only the very top of the FO tubes is exposed to light. Works great if outdoors standing in the sun. Indoors, even with a lot of uncovered windows and at the outdoor range with a roof over the firing line, they do not work well at all. If you turn the gun on its side they light up pretty good because that's where the ambient light is coming from. That's why I am interested in the Dawson front sight. It's much more open to light from different directions which should provide better performance under different conditions. Might be a good alternative to the stock front sight even if it's just until the TruGlos are available.
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FWIW, I didn't like the stock sights at first, but warmed up to them -- they get the job done. I'm just not sure that the P10C is the pistol that you want to spend a lot of coin upgrading, compared to the standard and compact 75s, i.e., I can understand if a competitive shooter spends a lot of money upgrading an SP-01 but just don't see that with an P10C.
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I like it as it is, i wont put any more money than finding the right sights. I do agree that the dawson are much more visible than truglo in situations like the covered range. I also have the shadow black rear and p07 fiber front. Im going to see how they fit today. Dawson red fiber is brighter than the red ive gotten from czcustom.
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Just wanted to update what the gun looks like with czcustom shadow black rear and po7 front. Measured with the calipers, they're the same height, etc as the night sights. What will get everyones goat is the rear does not sit flush to the gun. Im sure it will be the end of the world to many but i dont mind it.
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I really like the look of those! Maybe a stupid question but how do you align these? I tried covering the stock rear sight with black tape and find aligning them to the stock front difficult. This was inside my well lit house. Very difficult when aiming at darker objects around the house. The stock sights (front especially) just are not working for me. Even thought about painting the front with Testors flourescent paint. Would the P07 FO front work with the stock P10C rear as far as point of aim/ impact?
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We would have to measure the fo front and compare to stock fronts, see if there the same height. I dont have calipers but the next time i swing by a friends shop, we can see if they'll work together.
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I believe I read that CZ and Dawson measure their sights from different points and cannot be compared directly. Most of the reviews I have read favor the Dawson front. I believe they are counterbored providing a somewhat crisper dot. Are the sights difficult to change? I played around a little more and replaced the shiney black tape with some stickey backed black felt and it made a big difference. Eyes were immediately drawn to the front sight. Kind of like a "light at the end of the tunnel" effect.
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The dawson are crisper, brighter, i have them on two glocks. Both czcustom and dawson use a .04" fiber rod. I honestly believe its the fiber rod, not the sight. Czcustom sent a "pinkish" fo rod, changed it for a "redder" rod, its closer. Thought about ordering extra dawson red fo rod for direct comparison.
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Played around with some Testors green flourescent paint today. Just painted some dots on little black pieces of plastic that I could temporarily attach to the front sight. This was just for experimental purposes to see if I could increase it's visibility. Total fail! Even after applying a bright white basecoat dot on my little samples the stock off white dot was still more visible. Watched a YT video where the guy used flourescent yellow and it looked great. More of a yellowish green. Maybe I'll pick some up tomorrow.
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In addition to my painted front sight experiments, I will probably stop at a gun shop and check out a Springfield XDS. I read that they come standard with a fiber optic front sight. See if the whole FO front sight thing suits my ancient eyes before investing any money. Anyone else have any experience with FO sights in general or more specifically the P10C?
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Just wanted to update what the gun looks like with czcustom shadow black rear and po7 front. Measured with the calipers, they're the same height, etc as the night sights. What will get everyones goat is the rear does not sit flush to the gun. Im sure it will be the end of the world to many but i dont mind it.
There's a gap on the factory sight too. What height front did you use? 5.5mm or 6.5mm? Any POI change compared to factory test target?
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I have have yet to compare to stock, might get to it this weekend, used the following
https://czcustom.com/p07-p09-fo-f-s-1-0-x-6-5mm-x-125.html
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Picked up some Testors flourescent yellow today and it made a big difference in visibility over the stock front sight. Have not actually painted the sight yet just my little plastic sample piece that I can temporarily stick on the sight. Also was able to handle an XDS with FO sights. Lighting in the gun shop was not great but the front sight really stood out even though it was barely glowing. Near the shops windows it looked like a mini red dot sight.
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Just got off the phone with Dawson Precision and they do not have sights available specifically for the P10C yet. They are awaiting a P10C of their own for measurement and fitment specifics and are hoping for availability in about a month or so. I asked about those who have used the Shadow rear and P07 front and he had no knowledge of that, probably because they do not have a P10C in house yet.
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Okay, just got off the phone with Cajun Gun Works and they are not sure when they will have a set of sights for the P10C, perhaps a couple months.They were not sure if the height of stock P07 fronts were the same as P10C for someone (like me) who was thinking about replacing just the front sight and blacking out the rears. I asked about using the Shadow rear and was told it would be way too tall. The whole flourescent paint thing is looking like my only option for a little more visibility.