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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: Coleman on June 19, 2017, 10:39:35 PM
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Hey fellows just wanted to give my opinion not that it means a thing to anyone but hopefully someone new to guns or just CZ in general will get something from it. Ive actually been waiting on the first CZ striker or at least a striker from them they actually tried for. Anyway i find it very funny at all the negative things so many have to say. I am taking all this negativity that these folks are simply threatened by the P10 because of there Glock love. And i find it hard to believe that anyone couldnt say its Superior in grip angle alone it points outstanding a very low bore axis an awesome trigger and above all the accuracy it will flat shoot. Ive shot many glocks and alot of others itll shoot circles around a factory glock 19. The bottom line is these VEERY minor issues like a stiff slide release and mag release are simply first round issues with a completely new design. Both of these things work themselves out with use. I took mine apart and just a bit of fine honing and sanding and mine works as slick as the next gun. And the texture is great on the gun when i hear someone actually complain about this the first thing that comes to mine is what gender they are this is the truth. Perhaps they just dont ever work with there hands and there really sensitive i dont know. This gun locks into your hand and doesnt move this is what a real gun is supposed to do no need for any add ons. Ive got around 5-600rds thru mine with ZERO failures. Ive also milled mine for a burris fastfire and I'm getting 1-1/2"-2" 5 shot groups at 50yrds with it. So in my opinion the CZ P10c is CZ thru and thru only without a hammer its a beast. Take of this what you will. It just seems to me so many are trying so hard to find faults with it its brand new in ever way and compared to most every new design id have to say CZ has done an outstanding job I'm also sure the VERY minor issues will all be worked out. Im just excited to get my hands on the P10S thats gonna be icing on the cake along with the full size. I can definatly see these really moving very far in competition.
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I think the P-10C is an outstanding design and a breakthrough for CZ. I did sand down the front and back straps slightly, but just enough to take the edges off. My first poly CZ, the P-07 DUTY also had very harsh checkering, and it "sanded" my fat gut while being carried concealed, so I thought I might go proactive to avoid a similar problem. After light sanding, no worries. My slide stop is still very stiff after 300 rounds, but I use the over the top method taught in our Academy, mostly, so not much of an issue. Everything else is loosening up. I do hope Cajun Gun Works comes out with a nice flat trigger with flush mounted trigger safety, but that's my personal take. The trigger is excellent the way it is. I have has one failure to feed, but that was one of my reloads, and most likely the cause of it.
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I feel with anything people as you sort of point out, are afraid of change. Now you see all these companies pushing their products that include slide cuts, rmr cuts, stippling jobs, etc. by these "name brand" figures. Now, are they shills/hacks or actually good shooters with a purpose? That's up to you to decide. But I take these folks with a grain of salt. We make them famous, then they aptly push questionable product *couch* reman ammo *cough*, post videos and pics of whatever it is they do. But I digress. What I'm trying to get at, is I fell many many folks are afraid of something that can break the norm and give competition to whatever they like or have a stake in.
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I feel with anything people as you sort of point out, are afraid of change. Now you see all these companies pushing their products that include slide cuts, rmr cuts, stippling jobs, etc. by these "name brand" figures. Now, are they shills/hacks or actually good shooters with a purpose? That's up to you to decide. But I take these folks with a grain of salt. We make them famous, then they aptly push questionable product *couch* reman ammo *cough*, post videos and pics of whatever it is they do. But I digress. What I'm trying to get at, is I fell many many folks are afraid of something that can break the norm and give competition to whatever they like or have a stake in.
Would you mind explaining that one?
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The slide stop on mine was initially as if it were welded shut, but started to open up after 200 rounds, and after another 250 rounds is about where I want it, i.e., just slightly tight. At first, it drove me bonkers, but that problem went away.
I didn't like the aggressive grip at first, but got used to it quickly. No problem now.
The only other problem remaining is that the fangs/dingus on the trigger take a pretty good bite out of my trigger finger and in fact caused a blood blister the first time out. Still working on that one, but very minor issue.
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My slide release and mag release smoothed out just fine with just a couple of range trips. Mine was also good for a 2" group at 50 yards from a rest with open sights. My one and only gripe is the trigger safety and that is easily fixed, but can be an irritant to new and experienced shooter (me) as well.
So, I am very happy with the new pistol. I am dissapointed in CZ for releasing the gun with the overly restrictive trigger safety, and that's it. As is per usual, I can fix all the ergonomics to my liking with Sugru and JB-Weld. So even the trigger safety is not a deal breaker for me. It could be a deal breaker for the casual customer however, in my opinion, and that is bad for CZ.
Now, back to that 2" group at 50 yards and all the smiles that followed...
Joe
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I love my P10 that being said i hate the actual trigger " dingus, fanges " . This is the first CZ i have ever bought and it's now my EDC .
I am a long time 1911 guy and this is the only striker i own. "sold all my Walthers" . Sanded the back strap a little still didn't feel right
so i threw some Talon grips on it now it's right for me . I run talon grips on any plastic gun i have owned . This gun is just as accurate
as my STI i use to carry and at a third of the cost . Now if CGW will come out with a true flat faced trigger it would make a lot of people
happy.
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My LGS got one in yesterday and I went and played with it some this morning with the initial intent of walking out with it. It is everything the reviews tend to say, but in the end it's still just a better Glock. I walked out empty handed. Were it $300, I would've purchased but for $500 I'd rather have another 75 series. That's not to say it's not a $500 gun, it's just not comparable to the 75 series for me personally.
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Were it $300, I would've purchased but for $500 I'd rather have another 75 series. That's not to say it's not a $500 gun, it's just not comparable to the 75 series for me personally.
I've said that since I first got my P10C, i.e., it is in a league down from the 75 and 97 series, which cost relatively little more. However, I'm growing to like it, and its light weight gives it some EDC comfort. So, this is one of those "to each his own" moments.
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Some of the things I didn't like at first have become some of the things I really like on the P10. When I bought it, the slide release was stiff and the mag release wasn't much better. Both of those are fine with a bit of polish and a bunch of shooting. The rear strap bothered me so I sanded the top down just a bit. Then I swapped in the medium back strap and realized how much more I like the factory texture. I had thought it too rough at first, but now appreciate how well it locks the pistol to my hand. There is zero slippage when shooting this gun. The trigger dingus is the only thing that still needs a bit of tuning, but CGW will take care of that in good time.
One thing about this gun. Normally, I buy a gun and after a couple of hundred rounds will start to carry it. At first, I'm infatuated with it and carry it in place of anything else I have but within two weeks, it just becomes another gun in the CZ rotation. With the P10C, I've had it a month and had 300 rounds through it in the first weekend. It's been in my holster ever since and I have no desire to swap it back out. I've tried a couple of times, going back to my P01 or 75B Compact, but by noon, I swap holsters out and the P10 is back on duty. This gun inspires confidence in my ability to shoot it well. It's north of 700 rounds and when I shoot it, I just look at a spot on the target and a bullet spatter appears right where I'm looking. The only other gun to come close to point shooting this well is my P07.
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Now that's an endorsement! 8)
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The P10 is an absolute natural pointer if there ever was one thats for sure that unless your hands and brain are numb from shooting glocks too long lol. As far as the P10 being a on a different level from the 75 or 97 series well im not sure how to respond to that other than to point out the obvious like the external rail vs internal and the fact its striker fired vs hammer fired so yeah I'd have to agree its a whole new breed for CZ and I would certainly expect most to agree in this realm of handgun theyve went over the top in ergonomics, trigger pull, bore axis and most important reliability and ACCURACY. So watcha say guys great gun or what its not a CZ 75 its a CZ P10c. I love my 75s as much as the next guy but i wanted a striker CZ and we got a great one.
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Well said !
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I have figured out the "sticky" mag release.
There is a tolerance stack up issue with the magazine cutout for the mag catch/release lever. With the slide OFF of the pistol no issues. Exert pressure on the TOP of the inserted magazine and "no go".
Everyone load up a magazine and insert it into the pistol with and without the slide on the frame to see for self.
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Well... it COULD be the location of the slot in the magazines are slightly off (I'm hoping this).
If you go to the range and shoot to slide lock you won't notice. For a carry piece this MUST be rectified. Mag swap would be the most painless.
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In the end the delay and hype associated with launch created an expectation that would have been hard to fulfill. I hate to say it but as long as pistols are ejecting brass and spitting out lead, Glock is ruling the roost as far as Polymer Striker fired guns go, period end of discussion (including the P320). I say that not really liking the Glock all that much other than the fact that the world is my oyster as far as customization goes. Sig may have a chance in this in that they have been hitting it out of the park lately almost across the board (optics, rifles, subs, pistols etc.) and they have the manufacturing capacity to supply demand. CZ and CZ USA have long been known for have weaknesses in this particular area, particularly in supplying the civilian market with such a wide product line.
I've had my copy for a few weeks now. Its going on 600 rounds and 1000's of dry fire reps. The slide stop and magazine release have become much easier and smoother to actuate. At first these both gave some concern. It just needs use. The design of the magazine release does make stripping magazines during a double feed clearance more of a conscious effort on the part of the shooter. The driver often needs to release some of the tension on the latch thats keeping the magazine in place before ripping out the magazine. I wouldn't consider this a flaw just something to build into the manual of arms for this platform.
Just because its in my nature to build better mouse traps the pistol is getting sent out to a custom stipple service this week. I may also have the striker and key internal components sent off to Robar for NP3+ treatment. I've had zero issues with the trigger shoe as some have articulated in their responses. Then again I sink my finger as opposed to using the distal phalanges.
It's a fine pistol and I sincerely hope the community and aftermarket continues to embrace and support it.
~Deft Specter
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In the end the delay and hype associated with launch created an expectation that would have been hard to fulfill. I hate to say it but as long as pistols are ejecting brass and spitting out lead, Glock is ruling the roost as far as Polymer Striker fired guns go, period end of discussion (including the P320). I say that not really liking the Glock all that much other than the fact that the world is my oyster as far as customization goes. Sig may have a chance in this in that they have been hitting it out of the park lately almost across the board (optics, rifles, subs, pistols etc.) and they have the manufacturing capacity to supply demand. CZ and CZ USA have long been known for have weaknesses in this particular area, particularly in supplying the civilian market with such a wide product line.
I've had my copy for a few weeks now. Its going on 600 rounds and 1000's of dry fire reps. The slide stop and magazine release have become much easier and smoother to actuate. At first these both gave some concern. It just needs use. The design of the magazine release does make stripping magazines during a double feed clearance more of a conscious effort on the part of the shooter. The driver often needs to release some of the tension on the latch thats keeping the magazine in place before ripping out the magazine. I wouldn't consider this a flaw just something to build into the manual of arms for this platform.
Just because its in my nature to build better mouse traps the pistol is getting sent out to a custom stipple service this week. I may also have the striker and key internal components sent off to Robar for NP3+ treatment. I've had zero issues with the trigger shoe as some have articulated in their responses. Then again I sink my finger as opposed to using the distal phalanges.
It's a fine pistol and I sincerely hope the community and aftermarket continues to embrace and support it.
~Deft Specter
I concur. This is my first pistol that's not an HK, Glock, SIG or M&P.
With the magazine the more rounds loaded the more difficult to release. Applying upward pressure takes some of the stress off the magazine catch/magazine cut out allowing the magazine to fall free.
Whether it's designed that way or not that's how I will use it. Until that no longer works. If it continues to function in that manner it's a "peculiar feature."
I wanted an inexpensive, easily maintained alternative to the otherwise superb HK VP9. And I'm hoping this is it.
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Some of the groups you guys are talking about are really impressive.
I'm not sure I'll ever be a striker fan but if I decide to give it a go one day, it WILL be a CZ.
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My first pistol was a Springfield XD mod 2 9mm subcompact Striker, I saw the CZ po7, sold the Springfield, fell in love with the hammer, I like the po7 so much I got the PO 9 , I'll never go back.