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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ 2075 RAMI CLUB => Topic started by: Pierce on August 01, 2017, 11:23:57 PM
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B or BD what is your preference and why?
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Welcome to the forum. Tell us a bit about yourself. What would your preference be?[emoji6]
It's really a personal choice. Some guys like cocked n locked, or the choice of hammer down, so that would be the B. Some don't want to manually lower the hammer on a live round, that would be the BD.
Then there's the ones in the middle that don't really care, and just use the one that jumps out at them. I'm one of those.
My first CZ was a BD, so that's what I buy, have no use for a safety, so really, there's no other reason than that.
Someday I'd like a SS, then I'll grab a B and never use the safety. [emoji87]
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Welcome to the forum. Tell us a bit about yourself. What would your preference be?
Thanks for the welcome. I'm an older guy looking for a CC pistol. Right now I'm not sure I have a preference one way or another.
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Welcome. Glad to see you found this site and are interested in the RAMI! I bought the BD and am not worried about the safety in the way that I carry. My wife would not purse carry without a manual safety. I've seen a couple of posts that say the BD model has a slightly better trigger. The BD was also the only model that my LGS had-small town and not a lot of stock.
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Welcome!
As much as I like the RAMI, it is already not a svelte gun, the decocker shape and position really bug me.
So safety it is....
But I grew up on hi powers, so the safety seems natural to me. :D
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I prefer hammer down so it's the BD for me.
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Welcome to the forum. I have a BD because it was all I could get at the time. All my other pistols are 1911 style single action. Basically go with what you are most comfortable with.
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dont laugh but the cz 45 is a great little back up. And you can hide it anywhere,
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^^^^^^
The OP is asking about the RAMI 2075 for CC, safety or decocker model. Don't see where a CZ 45 fits into the discussion.
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Prefer the BD variant myself - I like not having a manual safety.
The decock thing is a discipline you have to train for [like training for anything gun related, need to work he muscle memory...].
I have a DA/SA Sig 239 - when doing the conceal carry practice at the local club, doing the decock is part of the regimen.
I'm sure there will be others that for good reason like the B version.
I'm just really glad I was able to acquire the 2075 in the 1st place - these things sell quickly and I sense the inventories when released are not like many of the other models. ;D
JoeSig
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I also prefer the BD model I'm a old fat and have been shooting and carrying DA S&W revolvers for over 40 years. My 2075 Rami BD is my EDC 9mm pistol it has the CGW short reset system with the extended firing pin and the heavy hammer spring. The only problem I've had is a broken recoil spring and the front night died at about 200 rounds CZ fixed it at no cost to me. At a little over 2000 rounds one of the dots on the rear sight died CZ will not answer my emails or phone calls. I'm very happy with the Rami and not so happy with customer service.
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I love my safety version Rami, but carry hammer down, no safety. I like that the safety can't be activated when the hammer is down. I also like the fact that there is no tritium to fade out before you know it.
I also like my PCR and it is a decocker.
Generally speaking, I love my CZs, some of of the best shooting guns available -- at least for me!
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I wish they would make an Omega. I prefer hammer down but I can't stand the decocker position and shape on the metal "D" guns. I like the decocker on my P-07.
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I really like the BD. Carrying without a safety, but with a DA pull on the first shot makes me very comfortable. I don't have to forget about disengaging a safety in a critical situation, yet have the safety of a longer and more deliberate pull on the first shot. For me the RAMI is the perfect carry gun. The grips is short to make concealment easy yet the weight makes it so easy to shoot accurately with quick follow up shots. It is the only concealed carry gun that I've ever enjoyed shooting at the range. I shot all the others to remain proficient with them but only for that reason. I just love shooting the RAMI.
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I want a common feel/controls on my self-defense handguns if possible. I carry or keep them all hammer down, so I have the SP-01 Tactical and RAMI BD.
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I EDC the RAMI BD and all my CZs are of the decocker variant. Don't let the DA pull affect your decision. With quality trigger time, you can become proficient in it.
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I intentionally purchased the safety version as all my carry pistols are carried "cocked and locked".
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Mine is the safety version and I'd prefer to have the BD, but I carry it in the half cocked position anyway.
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Prefer the safety model. I lower the hammer with one in the chamber with no worries. I like the option to use the safety if desired but don't use it as often. I notice a smoother trigger with the non-decocker version but it could be me...
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I also have the BD and would not trade it. It is in rotation with my PCR as my edc. My nightstand gun is a P-01 so all have a decocker...
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I also prefer the decocker. I've heard from a lot of gun instructors that people forget to turn off the safety a lot and it makes sense that, in an adrenaline filled environment, you may forget unless you've trained your muscle memory to do it so often that you don't even think about it. I probably don't train enough to qualify. ;D
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I also prefer the decocker. I've heard from a lot of gun instructors that people forget to turn off the safety a lot and it makes sense that, in an adrenaline filled environment, you may forget unless you've trained your muscle memory to do it so often that you don't even think about it. I probably don't train enough to qualify. ;D
Although generations have sworn by the cocked & locked 1911, to me it just introduces another complication to have to swipe off the safety and possibly screw up your grip while bringing the gun into play during the stress of SHTF situation. To me, it just seems much simpler, safer and faster in the long run to draw your weapon with the hammer down on a chambered round, acquire the target, put your finger on the trigger and squeeze off the first round, even if it is a somewhat longer DA pull on the first round, at least you've got one bullet down the pipe on its way to the target, with follow up shots fired single action. The simple equation is that, no matter what, you have to pull the trigger to make your pistol go bang, swiping off a safety just complicates the process, especially when the SHTF.
Even with a 1911 grip safety, drawing cocked and locked can be fraught with danger if you get discombobulated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3kJ6SU3ycs
That's probably why the US Military recommended carrying the 1911 in Condition 3 - hammer down on an empty chamber with a full magazine, unless, I assume, you were actively engaged in combat. Condition 3 is how I carry my Sig 938 (when I have to be extra stealthy while carrying) because I'm not comfortable carrying single action in Condition 1. Just too many opportunities for the safety to get deactivated while I'm squirming around doing my daily routine, getting in and out of vehicles, etc. (and the 938 doesn't even have a grip safety). Of course, it means I'd have to chamber a round before bringing it into play when the SHTF, but that's just an extra measure of safety to keep me from shooting myself or an innocent bystander.
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I prefer to carry a D because my other carry weapons are revolvers and I like the longer trigger travel when carrying. I like the feel of the trigger when the BD is decocked and really like the feel of subsequent shots.
A RAMI B with the hammer down puts the distance of the trigger a bit farther than I'm comfortable with.
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I prefer to carry a D because my other carry weapons are revolvers and I like the longer trigger travel when carrying. I like the feel of the trigger when the BD is decocked and really like the feel of subsequent shots.
A RAMI B with the hammer down puts the distance of the trigger a bit farther than I'm comfortable with.
Yep, actually the BD decocked with the hammer down on a chambered round is more or less in a "half cocked" position, which makes the transition from double to single action less drastic.
I wouldn't be crazy about carrying a cocked and locked safety model Rami, or having to decock the hammer by squeezing the trigger and physically releasing it by hand on a chambered round. Accidents will happen
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Dad brought his 1911 home from WW II. I grew up shooting it. I later carried one in Vietnam I have had a commander size 1911 for more years than I care to mention. The main reason cocked and locked seems dangerous to many folks is that many autos are cocked, the hammer is just not visible. Hitting the safety after drawing seems normal to me, and slows nothing down. (I am already slow.) I love the Rami safety model.
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That is exactly I installed C&S SFS system on my custom Colt New Agent. Now I carry my pistol with the hammer down on the loaded chamber. .It is very simple. You rack the slide then manually push the hammer down. It will stop just short of the slide while safety will automatically be pushed up. Now all you have to do is drop the safety, hammer automatically goes to full cock position and you are ready tu pull the trigger.
Pluses: carry a loaded pistol with a hammer down, all you need to do is release safety and you are ready to go. It does not affect the trigger pull although it can not be set any lower than 4lbs.
Great stuff !!! Cylinder and Slide has a video on how it works.
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I can go either way with no problems. I do seem to like decockers better.
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I have been carrying my B for about 2 years now.
I wanted a safety because I do have other people in the house and I just feel safer with a safety.
When I am carrying, most of the time, I carry it half cocked anyway, so, it is actually acting like BD unless I want to use the safety.
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I, myself, prefer the safety. I do wish the safety would work in both cocked and unccked position . I like to carry loaded and unlocked. Also, is it really much of a difference changing the firing pin assembly the the CGW.I or CZ custom offerings? Is the original really unreliable after all these years from CZ ?
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I like the BD because you can carry it safely with a round in the pipe and hammer half cocked. Then all you have to do is draw and fire. The trigger pull is not as long as when the hammer is fully down but much longer (safer) than fully cocked which you wouldn't want to do for carry but a great feature for subsequent shots. I do love the SA/DA feature and I've always generally preferred guns with hammers. I'm an old revolver guy from way back. Still have 'em, still love 'em. And I love my old 1911 which I still carry sometimes. Unless I'm carrying the 357. Or my darling little PPK. Aw heck, I'm no help at all!
-Slim
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BD is my preference
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BD all the way
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For me I prefer the bd model with no trigger mods. The d/a trigger pull even in the half cocked postion seems quite heavy enough to carry chambered safely.
If trigger mods are done as many do, I would prefer the safety model to carry locked and cocked. D/a half cocked modded triggers might be too light in a bd for my preference.
I have a rami bd with no mods and a 97b that I plan to upgradede to an "E" conversion eventually. Either option requires consistent practice to handle safely.
A problem can be if one uses both options for edc rotation. The size difference in my rami vs my 97 would probably help me avoid any confusion.
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I want a common feel/controls on my self-defense handguns if possible. I carry or keep them all hammer down, so I have the SP-01 Tactical and RAMI BD.
What he said!