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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: Stuart on August 29, 2017, 06:24:23 PM
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HBI has introduced their flat trigger for the P10.
The flat face gives the trigger a nice feel and I the safety bar clears the frame better for me than the factory.
There are two striker springs that come with the kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/e0MvSWp.jpg?1)
HBI has an install video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vUhG7Uo-0E
and a video showing their drop test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=29d3ujFhH40
Links to trigger.
https://czcustom.com/cz-p10c-hbi-trigger-kit-black.html
https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-p10-theta-trigger-kit/
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That's awesome! And in typical HBI fashion it's also reasonably priced.
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Cool![emoji106] Thanks Stuart.
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The install looks to be pretty straight forward and simple. The P10 seems to be easy to work on.
My P10 trigger ( without a gauge) feels to be between 5/6 lbs but it breaks good. I might be interested in getting to 4 1/2# but I haven't shot my gun much. I'd like to get 5/600 rounds through it to see how much the trigger will be reduced in pounds, it may be perfect.
The HB trigger looks to be good and the take up is less than the CZ trigger.
At $65 it's reasonable. So I'll see.
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I ordered one.
I have done trigger jobs, changed spring, components and polished to get a better trigger but I have never been one to change the trigger.
But the one thing I don't like about my P10 is the way the trigger/safety lever feels on my finger and the long take up.
This trigger supposedly addresses both of those issues and is still legal to use in IDPA CCP as I have a sanctioned match coming up in two weeks.
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bleep it I folded after the video and ordered one too. I sanded down the face of the factory trigger safety so it was flush but can still feel it after an extended shooting session. That is my only issue with the CZ. I do prefer a metal trigger so I can't wait to try this one out. David
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How is trigger reach length with the HB trigger? Hope it is just the same as with the factory. What I wish addressed is the possibility of pushing the trigger safety slightly sideways, which makes it hard for the back of the trigger safety to go into the frame and creates a dangerous "bump". Hope the new trigger addresses this fully. Thanks for the advice.
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Here is a comparison between the trigger and factory.
(http://i.imgur.com/BVsmRnQ.jpg?1)
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Thank you Stuart. Looks like the trigger reach might be the same as factory. 8) Thinking of a package fiber front sight/black rear+black HB trigger... Does CZ Custom offer such a package?
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Thank you Stuart. Looks like the trigger reach might be the same as factory. 8) Thinking of a package fiber front sight/black rear+black HB trigger... Does CZ Custom offer such a package?
We can build that.
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The dingus goes flat against the trigger in at the end of the stroke? that's one tiny disagreement I have with my P-10C. Looks very nice, but gold.....
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The dingus goes flat against the trigger in at the end of the stroke? that's one tiny disagreement I have with my P-10C. Looks very nice, but gold.....
You bet, but we do have black, silver, red, blue and even purple
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Probably gonna get one. Ooh, purple trigger w/ the Hello Kitty slide plate. [emoji85][emoji86][emoji87]
Seriously it looks like it'll get rid of the plastic rub I feel on the trigger barely rubbing the frame.
Quick question, Is the safety bar still plastic, or is it aluminum also?
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Me likey. Gold trigger with a tin barrel would look great.
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R.O.s might like the standout "Gold" trigger too.
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Curious as to why the HBI trigger has the little hooks on the bottom?
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Curious as to why the HBI trigger has the little hooks on the bottom?
Aside from the tactile feedback, letting you know you are at the bottom of trigger by feel, I would guess it is largely aesthetics... a lot of the flat trigger designs have a similar profile.
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Out of stock
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I bet Apex won't be far behind.
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Curious as to why the HBI trigger has the little hooks on the bottom?
Probably because (in my experience) your finger has a tendency to work it's way down the trigger without it and start rubbing on the bottom of the trigger guard - extremely annoying. I will only buy/shoot flat triggers with some sort of hook/curve on the bottom.
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Curious as to why the HBI trigger has the little hooks on the bottom?
Probably because (in my experience) your finger has a tendency to work it's way down the trigger without it and start rubbing on the bottom of the trigger guard - extremely annoying. I will only buy/shoot flat triggers with some sort of hook/curve on the bottom.
Makes sense. Thanks
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Mine should arrive tomorrow. Can't wait!
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That might be worth trying out, but the nickel won't squeeze that far for quite some time. :'( Too bad they aren't in FDE. :) Would match my frame.
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It should be a GREAT improvement over the feel of the stock trigger let alone only $65.00. Look at the cost of the two aftermarket triggers for the P320.
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I'm a state slave - we get paid slave wages. :)
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@Stuart, when might you get more in stock? Looks like every color is OOS.
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@Stuart, when might you get more in stock? Looks like every color is OOS.
Any chance of a slick/shiny/polished anodized finish instead of the matte, more like on the Scorpion triggers?
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@Stuart, when might you get more in stock? Looks like every color is OOS.
Any chance of a slick/shiny/polished anodized finish instead of the matte, more like on the Scorpion triggers?
the ones in our store are pretty shiny, the ones that HBi has more of a matte look.
(http://i.imgur.com/5Oof3SF.jpg?1)
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@Stuart, when might you get more in stock? Looks like every color is OOS.
I will check. I believe we are assembling the second batch.
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Mine was in the mailbox this afternoon. Pins came out fairly easy and it took all of 15 minutes to install. I put the longest striker spring in. The trigger pull feels about the same to me but the flat trigger is nice. No more hump from the trigger safety rubbing my finger. I won't Be able to test fire it until Tuesday. David
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I really think I need one of these...but in FDE. 8) Gotta scrape some cash.
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So I just made my first range trip with my P10c and I could tell in the first ten rounds that I'm going to enjoy this gun for a long long time. The dingus turned out to be really annoying, not being flush with the trigger face, but worse, every time the slide reset the trigger, my finger got pinched between the bottom of the trigger and the trigger guard. Has anyone else experienced this, and does the HB trigger address it?
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With that hook on the bottom, I would hazard a guess it would indeed. So everything else was good?
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Oh yeah, the gun ran great. I've been shooting a shield for about a year and my groups were a solid 50% better with the P10 right off the bat. Only hiccup was one FTE about 100 rounds into my session. Probably my fault, too.
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So I just made my first range trip with my P10c and I could tell in the first ten rounds that I'm going to enjoy this gun for a long long time. The dingus turned out to be really annoying, not being flush with the trigger face, but worse, every time the slide reset the trigger, my finger got pinched between the bottom of the trigger and the trigger guard. Has anyone else experienced this, and does the HB trigger address it?
It depends on how "fleshy" your finger is, but I think the HBI will help. There's less gap between the bottom of the "hook" and the trigger guard to pinch your finger on reset. In my case, the hook and the overall shape of the trigger moves my finger higher up, right over the center, so I don't feel my finger drag on the trigger guard anymore. The HBI dingus is wider with slightly rounded edges, and sits flush when pressed in. Nice and comfy.
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That's exactly what I need! Thanks for the excellent description! It felt like my finger slid down the trigger and I couldn't find a consistent pull.
Funny how the things you nitpicked in the store don't even hit your radar at the range, and things you never dreamed of jump out to bite you.....
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More pics to help give an idea of the finish and contours.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aFQHvM2ITRU/Watkoh4OlXI/AAAAAAAAA-M/U_05kqEe4hcM_qwN7JNfQLMRpcM6DSnLwCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_4129.JPG)
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s_cwe5pRjUg/Watkolt6AhI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/I-g2ZLhyFqwqW7nspcAnbIL4abxk0L_3QCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_4131.JPG)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Mo-zm5xNzYY/WatkpuvAZPI/AAAAAAAAA-g/0ICepTjmDFY9IDkdi9c-1pZC7uCOkdAWwCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_4132.JPG)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eMWw4MICBm0/Watkpg0U6xI/AAAAAAAAA-Y/5o15UU7OgOsfUnOP1W2dv58ajUp7JZMugCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_4135.JPG)
Rest...Wall...Over travel.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4VsiKzuJbEk/WatkqJLxPDI/AAAAAAAAA-c/OgRhk_fcksUnxRU_dDjdppEPB80MGrXWwCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_4141.JPG)
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So I just made my first range trip with my P10c and I could tell in the first ten rounds that I'm going to enjoy this gun for a long long time. The dingus turned out to be really annoying, not being flush with the trigger face, but worse, every time the slide reset the trigger, my finger got pinched between the bottom of the trigger and the trigger guard. Has anyone else experienced this, and does the HB trigger address it?
I have the same problem with the stock trigger when my trigger finger inevitably slides to the bottom of the trigger, pinching the right side of my trigger finger during recoil and reset, to the point where each of the several range sessions I've had so far has resulted in a tiny blister where my finger is being pinched. That's the only real "discomfort" complaint I have with the P-10C, and it looks like this HBI trigger will hopefully solve this problem.
$65 certainly doesn't seem unreasonable to me (considering its aluminum construction). I can't afford anymore toys (or parts for them) right now (I've already spent all my disposable income from my current pay :'( ), but it's fairly likely I'll be buying one after my next "payday". I'll try out the lighter springs but I anticipate sticking with the stock weight spring if I end up using my P-10C for EDC (I prefer OEM trigger pull weights on any of my carry guns).
Anyway, thanks Stuart for bringing this item to my attention.
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More pics to help give an idea of the finish and contours.
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Great looking pics earlan357! Thanks. The black version in yours looks like a trigger that could have come on the gun from the factory (i.e. it doesn't stand out as an aftermarket part), which is a look I prefer.
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earlan357 that is awesome, thank you! Now I know I need that!
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I just ordered one from HBI directly this morning. The only color they had was burnt orange, which should be interesting looking on my FDE P10C. I'm probably going to pick up a second FDE P10C and I'll do the black trigger in that one, so the trigger colors will let me tell the two guns apart from each other without having to look at serial numbers. Can't wait to get it. I put a hundred rounds through the P10C yesterday (puts it just over 1200 rounds to date) and the trigger was bothering me more yesterday than on other range trips. So far, the trigger shape has been my only gripe on an otherwise excellent pistol. Love that thing and hope to love it even more with the new trigger.
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Few more observations. Only the trigger take-up, distance between fully forward and the "wall" is shortened. They did an excellent job with that. The trigger is essentially pre-pulled to the point where it's .5mm from touching the striker safety lever. If you pull the trigger from the sides, so that the trigger safety lever hangs on the frame, the strike safety lever is still untouched, so it's still a very safe system.
Break, reset, and over-travel are mechanically unchanged, but feel shorter and slightly heavier due to finger position having less leverage. To get an idea of how the break and reset of the HBI trigger feels, just pull your stock trigger with your finger higher up on the trigger than normal. I have a 5# Glock striker spring in there now, and I'm going to swap a 1/2# lighter striker spring to compensate.
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I agree on the trigger pull. I had a Glock 4.5 pound striker spring in and put the HBI 3.5 pound spring in to get the same pull feel. I didn't measure the pull though just went by feel. I initially through the 3.5 would be to light but for me it was not. David
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Got the burnt orange one to match all my KTM stuff. [emoji23]
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How does the trigger reach length feel on the HBI trigger compared to the factory trigger? It's very important to me. TIA
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I believe the trigger reach is shorter with the HBI.
I shot an IDPA match with mine yesterday, I had not fired a round with the HBI trigger as I just got it a day ago. I did a good bit of dry firing against a timer in my garage the day before the match. I ended up 26/56 overall which is not bad for a Super Senior!
The P-10C shot flawlessly, love the stock,black rear with the DP FO front sight. One magazine change the release button didn't want to push and I had to shift my hand a little bit.
My accuracy was very good which I credit to the trigger. I had worn a small blister with the stock trigger and the first several hundred rounds. After the match (probably 140 rounds) my finger was not sore but I could see I had rubbed the old blister spot a little bit but not as bad as stock trigger by a long shot. I blame most of the rub on trying to get a grip and fire fast and having my finger a little low on the trigger but overall, well worth the money.
I got a black trigger as I am too old for bling!
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<<<I believe the trigger reach is shorter with the HBI.>>
Outstanding! Will order myself the same.
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Few more observations. Only the trigger take-up, distance between fully forward and the "wall" is shortened. They did an excellent job with that. The trigger is essentially pre-pulled to the point where it's 0.5mm from touching the striker safety lever...
Break, reset, and over-travel are mechanically unchanged, but feel shorter and slightly heavier...
This does not sound like this is a "social work" or carry trigger or "Threat Management" trigger at all.
I love the idea of a more or less straight trigger but I wish to leave the pretravel as-is. Perhaps there will be one made like that??
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Few more observations. Only the trigger take-up, distance between fully forward and the "wall" is shortened. They did an excellent job with that. The trigger is essentially pre-pulled to the point where it's 0.5mm from touching the striker safety lever...
Break, reset, and over-travel are mechanically unchanged, but feel shorter and slightly heavier...
This does not sound like this is a "social work" or carry trigger or "Threat Management" trigger at all.
I love the idea of a more or less straight trigger but I wish to leave the pretravel as-is. Perhaps there will be one made like that??
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Unless I'm shooting, my finger is off the trigger, even if holding/waiting for compliance. The take-up weight is so light, around 1 pound, that I wouldn't rely on it alone to prevent an accidental discharge, even in factory form. Even 12-15 pound revolver triggers won't prevent an accidental trigger pull from a startle response. Startle response pressure at the distial tip has been measured at up to 25lbs.
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This does not sound like this is a "social work" or carry trigger or "Threat Management" trigger at all.
I love the idea of a more or less straight trigger but I wish to leave the pretravel as-is. Perhaps there will be one made like that??
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Only you can decide that. I don't see a big difference in the trigger pull from the factory trigger and the HBI. The trigger shape is just better. I'm sure there is a measurable difference but it is not great for me. Some aren't comfortable carrying a round in the chamber, others want a 15 pound double action pull. If your finger is on the trigger gripping the pistol and you are truelly startled you will squeeze the trigger. You either clench your fists or open your hands palms out when startled.
For 27 years I've been carrying a pistol everyday at work. Model 19, model 66, G17, P7M13, P2000 and now the P320. All had very different triggers. I'm not concerned carrying the P10C with the HBI trigger. David
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Has anyone else used a trigger gauge to do some measurements after the install? I installed mine and have been playing with various striker springs. I swapped springs and took trigger pull measurements with my Lyman digital gauge (each time 10 pulls averaged) after each with some interesting numbers, at least to me.
My results with a ~1000 round broken in FDE P-10c with the HB Industries trigger and various striker springs:
Wolff Glock 4# striker spring: 3# 11.9oz.
HBI 3# striker spring: 4# 5.9oz.
HBI 3.5# striker spring: 5# 7oz.
Stock CZ striker spring: 5# 1oz.
The interesting thing to me is that the 3.5 HBI spring gave a higher trigger pull than the stock CZ striker. The 4# Wolff ended up giving the lightest trigger pull on paper I don't think I would have thought that. I wonder how much the length has to do with that since the 3.5 is by far the longest spring and the 4# Wolff the shortest. I will add the Wolff 4# spring has a light reset. If you keep your trigger finger back when resetting the striker then let go of the trigger; the trigger doesn't return all the way forward and the trigger safety dingus stays depressed. None of the others striker springs do that. I think I need to find a 4.5# and a 5# Glock striker springs to try as well.
I will say the HB Industries trigger is a huge improvement to me for the P-10c. The stock trigger was very irritating after a longer range session on my finger, and occasionally I was pinching my finger between the stock trigger and the trigger guard. The new trigger solves both of my gripes on the stock CZ trigger shoe.
All of this is just dry firing testing since I seem to work to much lately. I have the HBI 3# striker spring installed and plan visit the range on Thursday to test it out.
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Has anyone else used a trigger gauge to do some measurements after the install? I installed mine and have been playing with various striker springs. I swapped springs and took trigger pull measurements with my Lyman digital gauge (each time 10 pulls averaged) after each with some interesting numbers, at least to me.
My results with a ~1000 round broken in FDE P-10c with the HB Industries trigger and various striker springs:
Wolff Glock 4# striker spring: 3# 11.9oz.
HBI 3# striker spring: 4# 5.9oz.
HBI 3.5# striker spring: 5# 7oz.
Stock CZ striker spring: 5# 1oz.
The interesting thing to me is that the 3.5 HBI spring gave a higher trigger pull than the stock CZ striker. The 4# Wolff ended up giving the lightest trigger pull on paper I don't think I would have thought that. I wonder how much the length has to do with that since the 3.5 is by far the longest spring and the 4# Wolff the shortest. I will add the Wolff 4# spring has a light reset. If you keep your trigger finger back when resetting the striker then let go of the trigger; the trigger doesn't return all the way forward and the trigger safety dingus stays depressed. None of the others striker springs do that. I think I need to find a 4.5# and a 5# Glock striker springs to try as well.
I will say the HB Industries trigger is a huge improvement to me for the P-10c. The stock trigger was very irritating after a longer range session on my finger, and occasionally I was pinching my finger between the stock trigger and the trigger guard. The new trigger solves both of my gripes on the stock CZ trigger shoe.
All of this is just dry firing testing since I seem to work to much lately. I have the HBI 3# striker spring installed and plan visit the range on Thursday to test it out.
Interesting findings. I definitely wouldn't have guessed those numbers, or the order of the weight of those springs.
I'm also glad to hear you say that the HBI Trigger is an improvement concerning the "pinching" of the trigger finger, as that is one of my only complaints about the P-10C so far (each of my range sessions have ended with me having a tiny blister on my trigger finger). If you can, keep us updated on your impressions, after you get some live-fire use of the new trigger.
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My results with a ~1000 round broken in FDE P-10c with the HB Industries trigger and various striker springs:
Wolff Glock 4# striker spring: 3# 11.9oz.
HBI 3# striker spring: 4# 5.9oz.
HBI 3.5# striker spring: 5# 7oz.
Stock CZ striker spring: 5# 1oz.
So I went ahead and measured the trigger pull of the HBI Theta with a variety of springs. I took the measurements from the bottom of the trigger at the hook. This was the only way to get any consistency, so the readings are about 1 pound lower than where my finger actually rests. Readings are an average of 10 pulls, ignoring readings with over +- 4oz of discrepancy. Also, I have shot over 3,000 rounds since polishing the trigger bar and disconnector contact points.
CZ OEM: 4lbs 7.8oz
HBI 3.0#: 3lbs 9.8oz
HBI 3.5#: 4lbs 5.2oz
Glock OEM: 4lbs 3.6oz
Wolff Glock 5#: 4lbs 0.9oz
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Few more observations. Only the trigger take-up, distance between fully forward and the "wall" is shortened. They did an excellent job with that. The trigger is essentially pre-pulled to the point where it's 0.5mm from touching the striker safety lever...
Break, reset, and over-travel are mechanically unchanged, but feel shorter and slightly heavier...
This does not sound like this is a "social work" or carry trigger or "Threat Management" trigger at all.
I love the idea of a more or less straight trigger but I wish to leave the pretravel as-is. Perhaps there will be one made like that??
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Unless I'm shooting, my finger is off the trigger, even if holding/waiting for compliance. The take-up weight is so light, around 1 pound, that I wouldn't rely on it alone to prevent an accidental discharge, even in factory form. Even 12-15 pound revolver triggers won't prevent an accidental trigger pull from a startle response. Startle response pressure at the distial tip has been measured at up to 25lbs.
When considering a trigger's "safety" for carry, I would say it is length of pretravel that makes the biggest difference.
As you mentioned, when amped up you can pull through a heavier trigger without feeling it as you normally do but overall movement is easier to track under stress.
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When considering a trigger's "safety" for carry, I would say it is length of pretravel that makes the biggest difference.
As you mentioned, when amped up you can pull through a heavier trigger without feeling it as you normally do but overall movement is easier to track under stress.
Just to be clear, are you referring to "pre-travel" as the distance required to disengage the trigger safety lever or "dingus"? If so, that distance is the same. When I said .5mm, I was referring to the distance before the lug on the trigger bar starts to touch the internal striker block lever. To clarify, neither the pre-travel or trigger safety itself is .5mm. Distance from the trigger at rest to the "wall" is reduced to about 4mm. Stock is about 10mm.
Below is a GIF showing the difference in take-up for FDE P-10C Stock trigger vs Black P-10C HBI Theta trigger, from rest to the "wall". Keep in mind that the stock triggers between both guns we're not identical, but this is a pretty good representation.
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When considering a trigger's "safety" for carry, I would say it is length of pretravel that makes the biggest difference.
As you mentioned, when amped up you can pull through a heavier trigger without feeling it as you normally do but overall movement is easier to track under stress.
Just to be clear, are you referring to "pre-travel" as the distance required to disengage the trigger safety lever or "dingus"?
No. I mean overall length of travel from the trigger at rest to break the shot. Take up + pretravel is probably better terminology.
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Good post earlan 357, your finding are very close to mine.
Pretravel or take up reduced and with the 3.5 HBI spring and light polishing + about 600 rounds, my trigger is breaking right at 45# or a hair over. I have a mechanical gauge so not as accurate.
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Nice post earlan 357
that is great to see that...
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So many ways to approach rating spring weights for striker pistols with an inner trigger pivot safety. Here is an informal one take video showing how we did it for the P10's, please let us know what you think. This forum really is loaded with experience, knowledge, and users capable of providing some of the best feedback that we have ever received. If the voice of customer here says that we need to change how we rate our P10 striker springs, we will absolutely listen. Quick video on our methodology:
https://youtu.be/U70NvpPqy8w
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I know tins is a NON issue, but somewhere in this equation one gets into the striker springs ability to light off them little things called primers!
My Glock Nut buddy told me that one should not go below 4 pounds on the striker spring without using special primers for reliability.
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So many ways to approach rating spring weights for striker pistols with an inner trigger pivot safety. Here is an informal one take video showing how we did it for the P10's, please let us know what you think. This forum really is loaded with experience, knowledge, and users capable of providing some of the best feedback that we have ever received. If the voice of customer here says that we need to change how we rate our P10 striker springs, we will absolutely listen. Quick video on our methodology:
No real need to change the ratings in my opinion. Even with some type of machine that could pull the trigger perfectly consistently, there's too much variation in parts and tolerances between individual guns to expect the trigger pulls to perfectly match the weight ratings. There's a ~9oz difference in trigger pull weight between just my two P-10s. For me, the important thing is that the trigger weight delta between springs is consistent with the ratings, which they seem to be by my observations.
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earlan, thank you fr that great graphic! 8)
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I know tins is a NON issue, but somewhere in this equation one gets into the striker springs ability to light off them little things called primers!
My Glock Nut buddy told me that one should not go below 4 pounds on the striker spring without using special primers for reliability.
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No difference with the CZ 75s. Federal primers are how you get the great trigger pulls. My Sig also gets Federal primers. It will shoot reputable SD commercial ammunition, but knowing it will shoot anything that goes bang is a good thing.
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I'm not a big fan of going too light on a striker in search of a better trigger. What good is a trigger pull if it won't reliably set off a primer? A couple of years ago, I was shooting in a pistol bay at a local range when a 20's something kid and his girlfriend asked if they could share the bay since the range was on the crowded side that day. After I said 'sure', he started to set up a camera so he could do a video for YouTube on how great he had made his Glock 19. While he was shooting, he was talking into the camera going over all of the mods he had done and how he had turned a mediocre gun into something fantastic. The problem was, he was getting failures to fire on about 3 rounds per mag and kept complaining into the camera how crappy his ammo was. I packed up and went home and when I got there, I discovered one of his rounds had been ejected into my range bag. He must have dropped way under 4lbs for the striker spring because the round was barely dimpled. His mods must have felt good in his hand, but his reliability went through the floor. The ammo he was shooting looked to be either Blazer or WWB IIRC.
I've run into similar issues on my P07. If I run a 13.5# spring, I'll get a rare light strike that will not set the primer off. All it takes is one on a carry gun for me to jump up a level to the next spring.
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I know tins is a NON issue, but somewhere in this equation one gets into the striker springs ability to light off them little things called primers!
My Glock Nut buddy told me that one should not go below 4 pounds on the striker spring without using special primers for reliability.
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No difference with the CZ 75s. Federal primers are how you get the great trigger pulls. My Sig also gets Federal primers. It will shoot reputable SD commercial ammunition, but knowing it will shoot anything that goes bang is a good thing.
I don't go below a 5# striker spring on my Glocks. Below that, I've had light strikes with notoriously hard CCI primers. One thing to note is that the Glock "firing pin" is spade shaped instead of a traditional rounded pin. Due to the shape, as the spade punches deeper into the primer, the surface area increases, spreading out the impact over a wider area.
Also, most springs (recoil, hammer) are generally rated in pounds per inch of compression, although 1911 govt springs are rated at lbs @ 1.625" of compression. But what does it actually mean when a Glock striker spring is marked as 5lbs? 5lbs trigger pull? 5 lbs/in spring rate? Also, different spring lengths mean different amounts of pre-load on the spring when installed. A more accurate representation might be to determine the spring load at the striker's forward and "cocked" positions. Great, now my overly pedantic self wants to build a small spring rater and start quantifying these things.
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Great, now my overly pedantic self wants to build a small spring rater and start quantifying these things.
That would be a fun and interesting project ;-)
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@earlan357
Best trigger comparison GIF ever, THANK YOU
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I installed my HBI trigger today and have to say that it really shortens the pull. Before the trigger, I was getting a consistent 4.5# at the center of the trigger shoe and after I'm up to 5.0# using the stock striker spring. I have not tried one of the lighter springs yet. It does a nice job of cleaning up the face of the trigger. And, I kind of like the burnt orange color for some reason.
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq59/88E30M50/Mechanical%20Things/20170907_165539_zpsfyow6ts3.jpg) (http://s433.photobucket.com/user/88E30M50/media/Mechanical%20Things/20170907_165539_zpsfyow6ts3.jpg.html)
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Looks good, Indy_Tim.
BTW, I just wanted to give a heads-up to anyone waiting to buy one of the triggers, and prefers a non-black trigger. HBI website still has the Burnt Orange model In Stock, and it looks like the Red model is also In Stock now.
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i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?
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i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?
No, I don't believe you're overthinking it, as that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking (unless we're both overthinking it, lol).
By the way, I just got a notification e-mail from HBI that the Black Triggers are back In Stock! Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash to buy it just yet, so hopefully someone on here can take advantage of the availability. Payday can't come soon enough. :(
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i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?
No, I don't believe you're overthinking it, as that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking (unless we're both overthinking it, lol).
By the way, I just got a notification e-mail from HBI that the Black Triggers are back In Stock! Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash to buy it just yet, so hopefully someone on here can take advantage of the availability. Payday can't come soon enough. :(
I just got the email too. 2nd trigger ordered!
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i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?
No, I don't believe you're overthinking it, as that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking (unless we're both overthinking it, lol).
By the way, I just got a notification e-mail from HBI that the Black Triggers are back In Stock! Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash to buy it just yet, so hopefully someone on here can take advantage of the availability. Payday can't come soon enough. :(
I just got the email too. 2nd trigger ordered!
Nice. I'm really tempted to just go ahead and order one, but I'd be cutting it way too close as far as getting to my next paycheck. It sucks being a (barely) responsible person, lol.
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Just pulled the trigger..... ;D ok, I just ordered the black one.
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I know the feeling Toby - I was handed a choice - new car battery that keeps the People Mover going or get a new trigger. Oh well, next time. :)
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I had Thursday off and planned to head to the range. Rain kept me indoors so I headed to a local indoor range.......and they had no power!!! So I looked around and hoped power would come on, but it didn't so I left without shooting. I headed back the next day before work and was able to put some rounds through the P-10c with the HB Industries trigger. I ran a mix of Fiocchi 115 gr, Federal HST 124gr and Lawman 147 gr. In total I ran a little over 200 rounds through it with the new trigger.
Here are my thoughts on the HB Industries trigger. First it worked flawlessly and I didn't have any issues what so ever. The best parts of the stock trigger are still there: the crisp break and the short reset. But, what isn't there is the dingus that doesn't go flush and irritates your finger after a longer range session. The little curved end of the HBI trigger is great to keep your trigger finger in the same spot. It also stops the sometimes trigger/trigger guard finger pinch with the stock trigger. The reduced pretravel is great as well.
Overall, I absolutely love this gun now. I liked it before the trigger upgrade, but now it is almost perfect. The trigger fixed two of my issues with it (trigger pinch and irritation), and shortening the pretravel and going a little lighter in the pull weight was just an added bonus. I am a fan of the flat type of stikerfired triggers like the HBI and Apex. I have an Apex on a Glock 26 and one on my M&P 9L PC. The M&P was along for this range trip because I wanted to better zero the Vortex Viper red dot when used with my Griffin Optimus. So I got to compare them side by side in the trigger department. The M&P is lighter and has a shorter overall travel and reset, but the break is not as crisp. The trigger upgrades on that also cost more than $100 over the price of the HB Industries kit for the P-10c.
The P-10C needs a bit more rounds through it with the new trigger for me to be 100% confident in it (probably 95% right now) than it looks like it will go into my carry rotation possibly replacing my CGW pro packaged P-07. I bought a Dara holster for the P-10C plus I found two Glock 19 holsters I own that fit it perfectly as well.
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I had Thursday off and planned to head to the range. Rain kept me indoors so I headed to a local indoor range.......and they had no power!!! So I looked around and hoped power would come on, but it didn't so I left without shooting. I headed back the next day before work and was able to put some rounds through the P-10c with the HB Industries trigger. I ran a mix of Fiocchi 115 gr, Federal HST 124gr and Lawman 147 gr. In total I ran a little over 200 rounds through it with the new trigger.
Here are my thoughts on the HB Industries trigger. First it worked flawlessly and I didn't have any issues what so ever. The best parts of the stock trigger are still there: the crisp break and the short reset. But, what isn't there is the dingus that doesn't go flush and irritates your finger after a longer range session. The little curved end of the HBI trigger is great to keep your trigger finger in the same spot. It also stops the sometimes trigger/trigger guard finger pinch with the stock trigger. The reduced pretravel is great as well.
Overall, I absolutely love this gun now. I liked it before the trigger upgrade, but now it is almost perfect. The trigger fixed two of my issues with it (trigger pinch and irritation), and shortening the pretravel and going a little lighter in the pull weight was just an added bonus. I am a fan of the flat type of stikerfired triggers like the HBI and Apex. I have an Apex on a Glock 26 and one on my M&P 9L PC. The M&P was along for this range trip because I wanted to better zero the Vortex Viper red dot when used with my Griffin Optimus. So I got to compare them side by side in the trigger department. The M&P is lighter and has a shorter overall travel and reset, but the break is not as crisp. The trigger upgrades on that also cost more than $100 over the price of the HB Industries kit for the P-10c.
The P-10C needs a bit more rounds through it with the new trigger for me to be 100% confident in it (probably 95% right now) than it looks like it will go into my carry rotation possibly replacing my CGW pro packaged P-07. I bought a Dara holster for the P-10C plus I found two Glock 19 holsters I own that fit it perfectly as well.
Thanks for the detailed review, bigmatt17073. I'm especially glad to hear about it eliminating the "trigger-finger pinch" or irritation, which is currently my biggest complaint with my P-10C.
Once I buy and install the HBI trigger, the only other change I can think of will be to wait until spare parts are available so I feel comfortable/confident modifying the Slide Release (I currently can't get my usual "Thumbs Forward/High" pistol grip without preventing the slide from locking open after the last round). I've managed to alter my grip enough to make things work though, so I can cope with it while I wait.
But again, this trigger seems like it will take care of the only "major" problem (trigger-finger pinch/irritation), which has made high round count shooting sessions fairly uncomfortable/painful by the time I'm done. Thanks again bigmatt17073.
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Thanks for the detailed review, bigmatt17073. I'm especially glad to hear about it eliminating the "trigger-finger pinch" or irritation, which is currently my biggest complaint with my P-10C.
Once I buy and install the HBI trigger, the only other change I can think of will be to wait until spare parts are available so I feel comfortable/confident modifying the Slide Release (I currently can't get my usual "Thumbs Forward/High" pistol grip without preventing the slide from locking open after the last round). I've managed to alter my grip enough to make things work though, so I can cope with it while I wait.
But again, this trigger seems like it will take care of the only "major" problem (trigger-finger pinch/irritation), which has made high round count shooting sessions fairly uncomfortable/painful by the time I'm done. Thanks again bigmatt17073.
I've also had to change my grip a bit to adjust for the slide release. Also, shooting one handed, my thumb tip brushes against the back of the control lever. Mine auto-forwards so reliably, that I'm debating shortening it a few mm. I'm already going to re-profile my mag release button. I can get them both nitrided when I get my 2nd slide milled.
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I've also had to change my grip a bit to adjust for the slide release. Also, shooting one handed, my thumb tip brushes against the back of the control lever. Mine auto-forwards so reliably, that I'm debating shortening it a few mm. I'm already going to re-profile my mag release button. I can get them both nitrided when I get my 2nd slide milled.
Yeah, I'd like to shorten the left "paddle" section of my Slide Release, probably as far forward as the point where it connects to the rest of part. But I won't be attempting that until I have a spare to fall back on. I know there aren't any P-10C replacement parts listed on CZ's website, but does anyone know if replacement parts are available for sale if I were to talk to the correct person at CZ-USA?
Anyways, back to the thread topic, it looks like HBI's website has 4 colors listed (Black, Red, Tungsten, and Burnt Orange) and they are all In Stock now. I thought the Black version might sell out in a day or two, but I guess they made a big enough batch to deal with the current demand. Hopefully CZ-Custom gets them back in stock too, as I'd like to purchase it through them (especially after Stuart helped me out with buying a couple extra magazines from them).
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Installed mine tonight, no time to actually fire so we'll see how that feels but just dry firing feels nice. Installed the 3.5# spring as a carry gun wasn't worried about lightening the pull up too much. Tried to take a few pulls on the gauge but struggled to get a good pull due to having to engage the dingus. Overall looks good and feels good, looking forward to shooting with it.
And best of all it now has orange on it, even if it isn't the right shade. 8)
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Well, ain't that purty! 8)
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Ordered two black HBI triggers today for my two P-10c, sounds exciting. I will keep the striker springs stock because I shoot bulk ammo with hard primers. :D
Now if the Forum can tell me which exactly Dawson front fiber sight fits the stock rear sight, I will be all set. I do not want to change the rear sights. TIA
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Ordered two black HBI triggers today for my two P-10c, sounds exciting. I will keep the striker springs stock because I shoot bulk ammo with hard primers. :D
Now if the Forum can tell me which exactly Dawson front fiber sight fits the stock rear sight, I will be all set. I do not want to change the rear sights. TIA
My #3 marked front sight measures .155" tall.
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Does it stay completely to the rear when the slide goes forward?
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Does it stay completely to the rear when the slide goes forward?
Yes. I can reset it myself, but there's some resistance.
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When I first reassembled mine I had the "dingus" outside the frame before putting the pin back through that holds the trigger assembly in place, different symptom (wouldn't move at all) but you might check that.
150 rounds through mine last night, no issues and man is that reset short :D
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Has anyone experienced light strikes with any of the lighter springs that came with the trigger? I know some are using lighter Glock strikers springs as well, any light strikes that you all are experiencing?
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I've only put 100 rounds through mine since installing the 3.5# striker spring, but zero issues so far. I've been checking the spent cases and am seeing a good size dimple on them. I'll put another 100 rounds through it this week and will post up any issues I encounter, but I'm not expecting to encounter any.
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Does it stay completely to the rear when the slide goes forward?
Yes. I can reset it myself, but there's some resistance.
My 2nd trigger is doing it too. I think I figured out the problem. Will try a fix and post a video tonight.
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When I first reassembled mine I had the "dingus" outside the frame before putting the pin back through that holds the trigger assembly in place, different symptom (wouldn't move at all) but you might check that.
150 rounds through mine last night, no issues and man is that reset short :D
What's the dingus?
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My trigger wouldn't reliably reset with a Glock striker spring I had in it. I put the 3.5 HBI spring in and all was fine. I've run every Speer, Lawman, Remington, Federal and Winchester ammo through my P10C with the HBI trigger and the 3.5 spring with no malfunctions/light primer strikes. David
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Does it stay completely to the rear when the slide goes forward?
Yes. I can reset it myself, but there's some resistance.
My 2nd trigger is doing it too. I think I figured out the problem. Will try a fix and post a video tonight.
Mine is doing the same but after I sling shot the slide the trigger resets to normal. If I ride the slide, it does not reset. I am concerned that a spring leg may be out of place.
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Does it stay completely to the rear when the slide goes forward?
Yes. I can reset it myself, but there's some resistance.
My 2nd trigger is doing it too. I think I figured out the problem. Will try a fix and post a video tonight.
Mine is doing the same but after I sling shot the slide the trigger resets to normal. If I ride the slide, it does not reset. I am concerned that a spring leg may be out of place.
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When I first reassembled mine I had the "dingus" outside the frame before putting the pin back through that holds the trigger assembly in place, different symptom (wouldn't move at all) but you might check that.
150 rounds through mine last night, no issues and man is that reset short :D
What's the dingus?
Technical name for the trigger safety... 8)
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I just put mine it.
The trigger feels nice, but my trigger doesn't reset on its own. I double checked that I reassembled it properly.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Does it stay completely to the rear when the slide goes forward?
Yes. I can reset it myself, but there's some resistance.
My 2nd trigger is doing it too. I think I figured out the problem. Will try a fix and post a video tonight.
Mine is doing the same but after I sling shot the slide the trigger resets to normal. If I ride the slide, it does not reset. I am concerned that a spring leg may be out of place.
I figured out the problem. The front of the trigger bar is hitting the bottom corner of the front rail/locking block. It turns out the factory trigger on my FDE P-10 has been doing this but not enough to really notice. My trigger bar and locking block have gouges where it's been rubbing for over 1,400 rounds! Video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQP9CpbQm0c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQP9CpbQm0c)
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Also, this newer batch of triggers is not bead blasted inside the trigger notch for the "dingus". It's smooth now, and the "roughness" when pressing the trigger safety blade is gone. :)
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Earlan357, thank you so much for the solution and the video. I can now can see the same problem on my pistol. This should be a sticky sponsored by HBI.
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Another great fix, earlan357. I'll most likely do this preemptively when I'm installing my new trigger, just to make sure it doesn't become an issue. Thanks a lot.
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Thanks for making that video. I pulled my pistol apart this morning and stoned both of the corners. Inside looked real close while in the gun but didn't seem to be giving me an issue. Once I pulled it apart I could see a silver wear mark like yours from making contact at some point. David
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This is a very helpful thread. I'm about to pick up a HBI trigger via CZC.
Just curious ? what's a "dingus"?
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This is a very helpful thread. I'm about to pick up a HBI trigger via CZC.
Just curious ? what's a "dingus"?
Nickname for a trigger safety.
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We're kinda informal around here. ;)
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Not to be confused with...
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The trigger master!!
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Got a Tungsten variant in today. I'm liking the color for a two tone pistol. Hope to get it installed by this weekend to give it a full evaluation.
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Very nice!
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Now that is a great looking trigger.
Best regards.
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Couple hundred down the pipe this evening. Gotta say it's a winner. I've never been able to rip off a full mag that accurately that quickly.
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NAAH Tool Works
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Probably going to grab one of these in the upcoming days. I've never been one to change the actual trigger on my edc and tbh it makes me a tad nervous. The install looks easy enough and putting the trigger through its paces with a couple hundred rounds is no chore.
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Love mine. No rounds through it yet, but with the 3# spring, it feels great.
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Love mine. No rounds through it yet, but with the 3# spring, it feels great.
I heard (even in this thread) that there were some light primer strike issues with the 3lb spring. HBI, when asked about it, says in the comments section of their install tutorial video on YouTube that they experienced issues with that spring. It might feel great but won't perform great. This is my issue when looking for a reliable edc.
They claim the 3.5lb is 100% reliable but the change in trigger pull weight is a wash so why even risk it? I don't know if I'm overreacting.. since the trigger bar, disconnector and striker spring geometry all remain the HBI shouldn't really effect reliability?
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I just left the stock spring in mine and am more than happy with it. Once I finish my run down it will graduate to being my primary carry.
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I put the 3.5# in mine and it seemed to drop the trigger pull a bit, I'd have to go back and check my notes to be sure. 200 rds so far without a hitch.
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Anyone know why when you go to the HBI site it shows only 4 colors, but on CZ Customs they have a bunch of colors, but no burnt orange?
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Anyone know why when you go to the HBI site it shows only 4 colors, but on CZ Customs they have a bunch of colors, but no burnt orange?
I was wondering the same thing.
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I'd be willing to bet that the manufacturer had multiple colors and CZ Customs bought the multiple colors but now the manufacturer is out of supplys and CZ Customs still has their supply.
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Anyone know why when you go to the HBI site it shows only 4 colors, but on CZ Customs they have a bunch of colors, but no burnt orange?
Because either
A. If you buy enough of something most manufacturers will accommodate you or
B. Cz custom bought them in the raw and anodized themselves
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I just want a black one :-\
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I figured out the problem. The front of the trigger bar is hitting the bottom corner of the front rail/locking block. It turns out the factory trigger on my FDE P-10 has been doing this but not enough to really notice. My trigger bar and locking block have gouges where it's been rubbing for over 1,400 rounds! Video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQP9CpbQm0c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQP9CpbQm0c)
I just finally got around to disassembling my frame, so I could perform this preemptive fix to avoid the possibility of having any reset problems when I get my HBI trigger. I was just now taking a look at the area on the rail/locking block that would need to be re-contoured, and was surprised to see that the rounded corners have already been ground down. I purchased the gun new in Mid-August, so either someone did some work on my "new" gun before I bought it, or perhaps CZ is aware of the potential problem and had already begun performing a quick "fix" while they're assembling them. It's kind of a rough grind job, not as smooth or "good-looking" as I would expect from the factory. Anyone here have any thoughts.
I posted a couple pics of it on imgur: https://imgur.com/a/sh0gE (https://imgur.com/a/sh0gE) , https://imgur.com/a/uEffu (https://imgur.com/a/uEffu)
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Got mine installed the other night, and the only issue I had was getting the 3.5 roll pin (the farthest forward) back into the gun. A couple thoughts....
*It's always intimidating taking apart a new gun, but the install is straightforward and there aren't any "gotcha" moments that could send you to a gunsmith.
*The gun is greaser from the factory than I thought it was.
*I didn't see any obvious parts inside that would benefit from polishing. I've heard there is, but the trigger feels so good out of the box that I'll be fine letting it polish itself out.
*The 3.5 spring feels really light to me. Like, too light for carry. But then my other guns are a Shield and a Ruger SP-101
With some conscientious practice, I believe it's going to solve the pinch. I can grip so high on this gun, my finger goes into the trigger guard at a downward angle. With a proper grip and mindful finger placement (just a little more than my finger tip) it feels fantastic. I originally planned on installing a fiber optic front sight and just shooting the thing, but the trigger looks to be a good investment beyond just making it comfortable to shoot. I can't wait to get this thing to the range!
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You guys are KILLING me.
How long is the wait until the next batch
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Call me cheap, but I was literally about to order one from CZ customs (due to HBI being sold out)
But HELL!!! if I'm going to pay $10.50 in shipping for something they can shove into an envelope. (Sorry rant over) =)
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I just want a black one :-\
CZ Customs has all colors in stock, If you can deal with the outrageous shipping prices (see rant above) =)
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Call me cheap, but I was literally about to order one from CZ customs (due to HBI being sold out)
But HELL!!! if I'm going to pay $10.50 in shipping for something they can shove into an envelope. (Sorry rant over) =)
Wow, that does seem a bit steep for shipping such a tiny item. I'm guessing they may not want to just put it in an envelope (even padded) because of the risk of damage during shipping. And even the Small Flat-Rate box at USPS is over $7. Unfortunately, it seems like anything that requires a box is going to end up costing at least $5 to $10 to ship (though I may be way off on that estimate).
ETA: I just looked at an invoice from a MidwayUSA order a few weeks ago, and it was $11 shipping for just 2 of the 3 Glock Pins and a few bronze bore brushes. Of course, not all places are that expensive, but a lot of them seem to be in the same ballpark. And I agree that it sucks to pay so much for an order that's so light/small.
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Call me cheap, but I was literally about to order one from CZ customs (due to HBI being sold out)
But HELL!!! if I'm going to pay $10.50 in shipping for something they can shove into an envelope. (Sorry rant over) =)
Wow, that does seem a bit steep for shipping such a tiny item. I'm guessing they may not want to just put it in an envelope (even padded) because of the risk of damage during shipping. And even the Small Flat-Rate box at USPS is over $7. Unfortunately, it seems like anything that requires a box is going to end up costing at least $5 to $10 to ship (though I may be way off on that estimate).
Exactly. My thinking is what is there to damage? a piece of aluminum and 2 springs? they are springs!!!
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Call me cheap, but I was literally about to order one from CZ customs (due to HBI being sold out)
But HELL!!! if I'm going to pay $10.50 in shipping for something they can shove into an envelope. (Sorry rant over) =)
Wow, that does seem a bit steep for shipping such a tiny item. I'm guessing they may not want to just put it in an envelope (even padded) because of the risk of damage during shipping. And even the Small Flat-Rate box at USPS is over $7. Unfortunately, it seems like anything that requires a box is going to end up costing at least $5 to $10 to ship (though I may be way off on that estimate).
Exactly. My thinking is what is there to damage? a piece of aluminum and 2 springs? they are springs!!!
Lol, yeah I agree. I don't see the trigger itself being damaged in a padded envelope. I guess it's possible to damage the springs, but it seems unlikely.
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Small padded first Class envelope could ship for a couple of bucks. A small Priority box will ship for $5-6.
I guess their business, pay it or do without.
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The shipping cost of anything purchased online is the price we pay for the convenience of ordering something whilst seated in front of our computers, as we multitask several other things simultaneously. It's great that so many places across a multitude of industries offer free shipping, but we're not entitled to it, no matter how small or light the item might be.
Is free better? Sure, for me and you, but not the seller. Should we consider the cost of shipping when deciding how and when to purchase? Probably prudent. But overall, unless it's something exorbitant, shipping costs aren't something to complain about. It's just the cost of doing business. You can always drive down to AZ and pick one up. :P
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The shipping cost of anything purchased online is the price we pay for the convenience of ordering something whilst seated in front of our computers, as we multitask several other things simultaneously. It's great that so many places across a multitude of industries offer free shipping, but we're not entitled to it, no matter how small or light the item might be.
Is free better? Sure, for me and you, but not the seller. Should we consider the cost of shipping when deciding how and when to purchase? Probably prudent. But overall, unless it's something exorbitant, shipping costs aren't something to complain about. It's just the cost of doing business. You can always drive down to AZ and pick one up. :P
I bleep well just might! lol I understand the cost of business but common charging 18% the cost of the item for shipping is highway robbery!
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The shipping cost of anything purchased online is the price we pay for the convenience of ordering something whilst seated in front of our computers, as we multitask several other things simultaneously. It's great that so many places across a multitude of industries offer free shipping, but we're not entitled to it, no matter how small or light the item might be.
Is free better? Sure, for me and you, but not the seller. Should we consider the cost of shipping when deciding how and when to purchase? Probably prudent. But overall, unless it's something exorbitant, shipping costs aren't something to complain about. It's just the cost of doing business. You can always drive down to AZ and pick one up. :P
I understand what you're saying (and you're right), but it still sucks, lol.
BTW, (as you and most people here probably already understand), there really aren't any stores offering truly "Free" shipping. It just means the shipping costs are factored into the cost and profit margin of the product being sold. And seeing as HBI is selling their triggers for the same price as CZ-Custom, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a very big profit margin between the dealer price that CZC pays for them and what they are charging the customer. In that case, "free" shipping might end up causing them to lose money on each Trigger (or at least not make a worthwhile profit).
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I can tell you that free shipping usually does mean everything is factored in. The advantage being you know what your minimum margin is at any point, and if you can combine shipping your margins go up.
Nate Whitfield
NAAH Tool Works
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Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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I just want a black one :-\
CZ Customs has all colors in stock, If you can deal with the outrageous shipping prices (see rant above) =)
Black is out of stock.
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Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
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Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.
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Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.
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The trigger on my FDE P-10 started doing this lately even after I swapped back in the factory trigger. It's not the trigger but a combination of the trigger bar and the striker sleeve. Compared to my black trigger bar, the "hook" that catches the striker leg sticks up about 1/8" higher when fully back. Normally, it's still low enough to release the striker except when the slide and slide plate are pushed down. The striker liner is flexible enough to allow the whole assembly to squeeze slightly out of the slide's striker channel. The resulting lowering of the striker leg, means the trigger bar can't move down far enough to cleanly release it. If I push the cover plate up, it raises the striker enough to release from the trigger bar. I swapped, strikers, trigger bars, connectors, and the rear housings around, but the only thing that made a difference was the trigger bar. Examining the two, the lug on the FDE is cut lower, resulting in a higher "hook". Not sure of a solution yet, short of filing down the shelf or striker leg. I'm going to post pics/video this evening when I got home from work.
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Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.
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The trigger on my FDE P-10 started doing this lately even after I swapped back in the factory trigger. It's not the trigger but a combination of the trigger bar and the striker sleeve. Compared to my black trigger bar, the "hook" that catches the striker leg sticks up about 1/8" higher when fully back. Normally, it's still low enough to release the striker except when the slide and slide plate are pushed down. The striker liner is flexible enough to allow the whole assembly to squeeze slightly out of the slide's striker channel. The resulting lowering of the striker leg, means the trigger bar can't move down far enough to cleanly release it. If I push the cover plate up, it raises the striker enough to release from the trigger bar. I swapped, strikers, trigger bars, connectors, and the rear housings around, but the only thing that made a difference was the trigger bar. Examining the two, the lug on the FDE is cut lower, resulting in a higher "hook". Not sure of a solution yet, short of filing down the shelf or striker leg. I'm going to post pics/video this evening when I got home from work.
I'm looking forward to your video. I've got a black P10, put the 3lb striker spring back in and this issue has gone away. If I pull the trigger exceedingly slow it will sort of do this, but any regular trigger pull seems fine for now.
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Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.
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The trigger on my FDE P-10 started doing this lately even after I swapped back in the factory trigger. It's not the trigger but a combination of the trigger bar and the striker sleeve. Compared to my black trigger bar, the "hook" that catches the striker leg sticks up about 1/8" higher when fully back. Normally, it's still low enough to release the striker except when the slide and slide plate are pushed down. The striker liner is flexible enough to allow the whole assembly to squeeze slightly out of the slide's striker channel. The resulting lowering of the striker leg, means the trigger bar can't move down far enough to cleanly release it. If I push the cover plate up, it raises the striker enough to release from the trigger bar. I swapped, strikers, trigger bars, connectors, and the rear housings around, but the only thing that made a difference was the trigger bar. Examining the two, the lug on the FDE is cut lower, resulting in a higher "hook". Not sure of a solution yet, short of filing down the shelf or striker leg. I'm going to post pics/video this evening when I got home from work.
I'm looking forward to your video. I've got a black P10, put the 3lb striker spring back in and this issue has gone away. If I pull the trigger exceedingly slow it will sort of do this, but any regular trigger pull seems fine for now.
At first I thought the 3.5 spring was too long and getting fully compressed, stopping the trigger from moving fully rearward. But it only has 2 more active coils than the 3.0, so I don' t think that's the case. Maybe the extra friction from the slightly heavier spring, is letting the striker leg get dragged further down. With striker fired guns, I've always noticed more consistent trigger pulls with a mag full of dummy rounds. The rounds provide more magazine spring pressure to force the slide to its highest position on the rails, while with no dummy ammo/mag, the slide is pretty much free to rest at any height. The P-10C has a pretty sloppy slide to rail fit for reliability (normal for striker fired guns) and the cover plate has some movement which exacerbates the inconsistency. When fitting Ghost connectors with over-travel tabs for my Glocks, I always push the slide down while dry firing to ensure the trigger bar will always release the striker.
The biggest issue is the striker housing. Since its plastic and open at the rear, the slot can get squeezed if you press the slide cover down, and the spring pressure can hold it there. I think it's the reason for one FTRTBs I had when the plate dropped enough to hang on the rear of the trigger housing, preventing the last 1/8" of slide travel. Some newer P-10C have a bevel on the slide plate to let it ride back up if it gets too low. Fortunately, when in battery, the slide plate does limit the amount the striker assembly can drop down. Short of sending my P-10C back to CZ (I've modified mine enough that I probably voided the warranty) I think the immediate solution is to bevel the bottom front edges of the slide cover plate, and shave 0.010" off the trigger bar on the mill. I have a feeling I'll be overhauling some of my parts once spares become available.
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I figured out the problem. The front of the trigger bar is hitting the bottom corner of the front rail/locking block. It turns out the factory trigger on my FDE P-10 has been doing this but not enough to really notice. My trigger bar and locking block have gouges where it's been rubbing for over 1,400 rounds! Video below.
I just finally got around to disassembling my frame, so I could perform this preemptive fix to avoid the possibility of having any reset problems when I get my HBI trigger. I was just now taking a look at the area on the rail/locking block that would need to be re-contoured, and was surprised to see that the rounded corners have already been ground down. I purchased the gun new in Mid-August, so either someone did some work on my "new" gun before I bought it, or perhaps CZ is aware of the potential problem and had already begun performing a quick "fix" while they're assembling them. It's kind of a rough grind job, not as smooth or "good-looking" as I would expect from the factory. Anyone here have any thoughts.
I finally figured out how to correctly insert pics. Here are a couple pics of the "re-contoured" Locking-Block/Rail-Block I noticed when I first disassembled the frame of my new P-10C:
(https://i.imgur.com/jtR1Dtw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GopUbrq.jpg)
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Hmmm, I got two HBI trigger kits for my two P10c's. Now all this talk about the need of grinding the internals and working on the springs and whatnot scares me. Maybe I should leave the guns alone, or better yet have CZ Custom or CGW install the triggers? I like my guns to be 100% reliable and warranty is of value.
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Hmmm, I got two HBI trigger kits for my two P10c's. Now all this talk about the need of grinding the internals and working on the springs and whatnot scares me. Maybe I should leave the guns alone, or better yet have CZ Custom or CGW install the triggers? I like my guns to be 100% reliable and warranty is of value.
If you're selling, I'm buying!
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Hmmm, I got two HBI trigger kits for my two P10c's. Now all this talk about the need of grinding the internals and working on the springs and whatnot scares me. Maybe I should leave the guns alone, or better yet have CZ Custom or CGW install the triggers? I like my guns to be 100% reliable and warranty is of value.
Mine went in without issue and has functioned flawlessly since.
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Installed my blue HBI trigger, picked up from CZ Customs earlier in the week. I live about 10 miles from their shop. Took about 15 min on the kitchen island to install. Functions flawlessly. Used the 3.5lb spring for now, just to give it a whirl. Very happy with it so far.
(https://imageshack.com/i/poFNUmoWj)
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Looks good, Jammer1971. I still plan on going with the Black (I prefer a "Stock" appearance), but the Blue, as well as the Burnt Orange and Silver, look great.
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Definitely looks good.
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Got to the range today to do some live fire with the HB trigger, ran over 100 rounds through with absolutely no problems. Also, the 3lb striker spring put a pretty deep hit on the primers, I can't tell much difference between it and the factory spring impact. I do load all my own ammo and do seat the primers very deep with a slight crush, but the strikes still look about the same as the factory striker spring.
Can definitely say this trigger is a huge improvement over factory. I usually run through 2-300 rounds on a typical range day and the factory trigger really chews into my finger by then.
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So thanks to Sumoman I got my hands on a tirigger and got it installed in time for my range trip today. Install was not difficult at all and I kept the OEM spring. I put 200 rounds through it and had no issues. The take-up is considerably shorter but the wall/creep/break is identical to stock. I really like the trigger. The face is flat and comfortable, however if your finger slides down after a few rounds the fangs are still present. It's certainly an improvement over stock and I might mess with the springs later down the road.. but for now, it's a nice upgrade as is. Funny enough, the texture of the paint is probably my favorite part.
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I removed some material from the bottom of the locking block. My trigger now resets properly, but now I generally have to pull the trigger twice to get the striker to release.
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I removed some material from the bottom of the locking block. My trigger now resets properly, but now I generally have to pull the trigger twice to get the striker to release.
Whoa.. what?! :o
You dremeled the locking block and it still doesn't function properly?
I wouldn't be able to handle it if I had that issue.
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It fixed the first problem and introduced another.
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I removed some material from the bottom of the locking block. My trigger now resets properly, but now I generally have to pull the trigger twice to get the striker to release.
Is the striker not releasing even after you've pulled the trigger fully to the rear? Almost like the trigger needs to move back a hair further but can't?
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Is the striker not releasing even after you've pulled the trigger fully to the rear? Almost like the trigger needs to move back a hair further but can't?
I finally got my HBI trigger and just installed it (a very easy process). I left the factory Striker Spring, since I prefer to not lighten up the trigger pull weight for a potential CCW pistol.
Anyways, the main reason for this post is that I too am having the issue of the the striker not releasing the vast majority of the time. As you suggested earlier, when I push up on the Slide/Cover-Plate the striker releases as it should. So I think you're definitely correct about the "striker-hook" being too tall (or the trigger bar not lowering enough). My question is, which of the two contact points would be better/easier/safer to take off a minuscule amount of material? And do you have any suggestions as to what would be the ideal tool to perform that grinding/filing? I don't have access to a dedicated Grinder or any gunsmith stones; the tools I have available are an assortment of files (mostly course wood files that belong to my father), the "fine" diamond-coated file on my Leatherman Wave, and a standard electric Dremel (with the standard attachments included with the tool, and the additional "Polishing Accessory Kit" that Dremel sells). Any advice you (or any other Member) could provide would be much appreciated.
Thanks Earlan357.
Edited to Add: Just wanted to update my post. I was too impatient to wait for any advice, and decided just to go ahead and remove some material from the Striker. I ended up using my Dremel with the grinding-stone attachment set at its slowest speed. I took my time, using very little pressure, repeatedly removing minuscule amounts of material at a time, and reassembling the pistol to test it out. Eventually I had ground it down far enough to reliably release the Striker properly. Having accomplished that, I finished up by using some of the Dremel's polishing attachments to smooth-out the surface I had ground, then re-lubed and assembled the pistol.
So far it feels pretty good. I definitely like the feel of the HBI trigger (while dry-firing at least) and I think it will solve the pinching/blister problem I was getting with the factory trigger. I'll find out for sure whenever I get a chance to actually fire it at the range (hopefully soon).
Thanks again earlan357, for diagnosing the problem and suggesting a solution.
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I played around with mine today.
If I pull the trigger all the way to the rear and hold it, nothing happens. But if I pull the rear of the slide away from the frame, the striker releases.
I might have the same issue with my striker.
This trigger is the most pain in the ass "drop in" part I've ever had.
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Just curious, has anyone reached out to HB Industries?
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Just curious, has anyone reached out to HB Industries?
Great question! We were wondering the same thing :-)
We do try to keep up on all of the different forums/social media/etc, but if anyone has questions please do not hesitate to contact us directly, here some info:
email: sales@hbindustries.net
phone: 888.700.4888 ext 2 (for product support)
As several of the members here in this thread/forum have already pointed out, while most P10c models look the same on the outside, there are a few different "variations" on the internals. At this time we believe that we have full understanding of the different possible build combinations coming out of CZ-UB, and our triggers have been proven reliable with all of them. If anyone here, or that you run into at the range, or friends, family, strangers, pets, etc... ever experience ANY type of situation where an HBI manufactured trigger does not "drop in" to a P10 please let us know. We will do whatever it takes to make it right.
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Just curious, has anyone reached out to HB Industries?
Great question! We were wondering the same thing :-)
We do try to keep up on all of the different forums/social media/etc, but if anyone has questions please do not hesitate to contact us directly, here some info:
email: sales@hbindustries.net
phone: 888.700.4888 ext 2 (for product support)
As several of the members here in this thread/forum have already pointed out, while most P10c models look the same on the outside, there are a few different "variations" on the internals. At this time we believe that we have full understanding of the different possible build combinations coming out of CZ-UB, and our triggers have been proven reliable with all of them. If anyone here, or that you run into at the range, or friends, family, strangers, pets, etc... ever experience ANY type of situation where an HBI manufactured trigger does not "drop in" to a P10 please let us know. We will do whatever it takes to make it right.
Measuring at my HBI triggers, the hole spacing and dimensions are identical to the factory one. But the tolerances of CMC'd aluminum are tighter than molded plastic, and since it doesn't exhibit any flex like the factory plastic trigger, the aluminum trigger reveals problems that the OEM trigger masks.
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I am seriously considering the HB Industries trigger kit but based on some of the experiences of forum members I am hesitating. Definitely like the idea of the flat trigger and lower trigger pull but not convinced this kit works without any issues. Would love for those of you who have installed this kit to weight in. Thanks.
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I am seriously considering the HB Industries trigger kit but based on some of the experiences of forum members I am hesitating. Definitely like the idea of the flat trigger and lower trigger pull but not convinced this kit works without any issues. Would love for those of you who have installed this kit to weight in. Thanks.
Received mine on Tuesday, installed it Tuesday evening and hit the range yesterday. I put 300 rinds through it with no issues, even ran some cheap steel case ammo and not one problem. Take up definitely shorter and the break felt really crisp, I don't know how else to describe it. When shooting it with the factory trigger it left a blister on my finger, I think the shoe was this issue on mine, the HBI trigger no problem what so ever. I hate to hear people are having issues hopefully HBO can get it sorted.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171015/977b038c355dae4e904e79f79136237e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171015/36715864aaa636dd4ea43f2a6a7edc32.jpg)
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Thanks for replying so promptly. Glad to hear that you are not having any problems. What striker spring did you install? Did you notice any reduction in trigger pull weight?
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R1Dramma
Could let us know the date of your P-10C manufacture date? (or date of quality control testing firing in your ?box? paperwork)
Thanks
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Thanks for replying so promptly. Glad to hear that you are not having any problems. What striker spring did you install? Did you notice any reduction in trigger pull weight?
I put the 3.5 lb spring and yes.R1Dramma
Could let us know the date of your P-10C manufacture date? (or date of quality control testing firing in your ?box? paperwork)
Thanks
I can't find the manufacture date, test firing date is in the pic below.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171016/aec2a455376106f28bd78bad09954cbc.jpg)
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This is very strange. I just check the paper work on the test firing and it showed a date of 11/09/2017 which, as we know, is impossible since today is 10/15/2017. I just emailed CZ to find out the manufacture date of my CZ 10-PC and pointed out the confusing date of the test firing paper.
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In CZ dating, the first number is the day and the second number is the month.
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This is very strange. I just check the paper work on the test firing and it showed a date of 11/09/2017 which, as we know, is impossible since today is 10/15/2017. I just emailed CZ to find out the manufacture date of my CZ 10-PC and pointed out the confusing date of the test firing paper.
You're reading it wrong, for us it would be 9/11/2017.
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This is very strange. I just check the paper work on the test firing and it showed a date of 11/09/2017 which, as we know, is impossible since today is 10/15/2017. I just emailed CZ to find out the manufacture date of my CZ 10-PC and pointed out the confusing date of the test firing paper.
Don't they put the day first in Europe.. the 11th of September?
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Thanks D1dramma for providing a picture of test target. I have a P 10C with a test date of early July 2017
The basis for my question why there seems to be conflicting opinions on the successful outcome of the HPI trigger I was wondering if early versions of either the pistol or even the trigger would suggest the reason for these seemingly random experiences. D1dramma appears to have a relatively early version with a happy result
I don?t like the trigger bite/fangs of my P10c and very much want a solution. I want the HPI to work but I am not interested in a project or gunsmith modifications
Can anyone sum up any conclusions that can be reached and if dates matter.? I am also inviting HPI to comment
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Thebillsman That would make total sense since I purchased my CZ 10-PC on October 10, 2017. A build date of one month prior would seem very logical. Thanks. BTW I have also contacted HB Industries for their comments on the issues some are having with their trigger.
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I did hear back from CZ-USA and they told me the ship date on my P-10C was 9-26-2017 so a test fire date of 9-11-2017 is very logical. Does anyone know if CZ changed the sights on the P-10? Some have posted that the early models had luminescent sights. Mine definitely does not.
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Had another conversation with CZ-USA and was told that the early models did have luminescent sights on them but the more recent models do not. When asked why the change I was told that the sight manufacturer simply stopped shipping the luminescent ones to CZ and switched to white sights.
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Had another conversation with CZ-USA and was told that the early models did have luminescent sights on them but the more recent models do not. When asked why the change I was told that the sight manufacturer simply stopped shipping the luminescent ones to CZ and switched to white sights.
That's easy enough to fix. I picked up a bottle of luminescent paint and did the sights on a Remington R1S last year and they are at least as bright as the one's on my P10C. I think that I spent maybe $13 on the paint and there's enough in the bottle to do many, many sights.
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To address some of the questions in this thread, there are multiple "configurations" of the P10C out on the US market right now. As others have noticed, sometimes it could be differences in sight paint that make a "configuration" unique, and other times it might be a different front slide insert, or breech face geometry, or maybe the rear slide plate and firing pin assembly fit together differently, etc... The thing to keep in mind is that every P10C to leave the factory has been proofed and test fired and runs as is.
@AX354486 had an excellent question:
The basis for my question why there seems to be conflicting opinions on the successful outcome of the HBI trigger I was wondering if early versions of either the pistol or even the trigger would suggest the reason for these seemingly random experiences. D1dramma appears to have a relatively early version with a happy result
Speaking on behalf of HBI, we have been compiling a database of serials, build dates, and unique configurations for P10C handguns here in the US. What we have noticed is that there is not any "good or bad", "early or late", "new or old" type of classification. It simply has to do with different component geometry and different parts configurations. Many of the P10C build "configurations" are a just little bit different.
We designed, tested, and validated our triggers in a variety of different P10C configurations. We are constantly buying and checking new P10C imports to insure that our triggers function 100%. We strongly encourage anyone encountering any type of issue with our triggers to contact us so that we can help you to determine the root cause of the problem and resolve the issue, whatever it might be.
Hope this info helps, again, if there is anything that we can do to either help or provide info for anyone please do not hesitate to PM us on the forum or call/email us. We are always here to help :-)
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Had another conversation with CZ-USA and was told that the early models did have luminescent sights on them but the more recent models do not. When asked why the change I was told that the sight manufacturer simply stopped shipping the luminescent ones to CZ and switched to white sights.
That's easy enough to fix. I picked up a bottle of luminescent paint and did the sights on a Remington R1S last year and they are at least as bright as the one's on my P10C. I think that I spent maybe $13 on the paint and there's enough in the bottle to do many, many sights.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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HPI. Thanks for stepping out and providing as such clarity and ownership as possible This is helpful in addressing if a early model or ?batch? is prone to issues with your appealing trigger. I am assuming it?s works fine and has no ?trade offs? in other functionality
If another member of the board believes there are negative trade offs to the trigger that might diminish other aspects of the gun OR conversely others are very enthusiastic about their results...it would great to hear from you. Maybe it would draw a conclusion to a topic that has had some mixed messages
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HPI. Thanks for stepping out and providing as such clarity and ownership as possible This is helpful in addressing if a early model or ?batch? is prone to issues with your appealing trigger. I am assuming it?s works fine and has no ?trade offs? in other functionality
If another member of the board believes there are negative trade offs to the trigger that might diminish other aspects of the gun OR conversely others are very enthusiastic about their results...it would great to hear from you. Maybe it would draw a conclusion to a topic that has had some mixed messages
Isn't this what this thread is full of....
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I have not seen a consensus or a tide willing to voice their support Where are the end users of the trigger that think it is great and recommend buying?
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All along this thread you will find multiple users with glowing reviews. Including mine.
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I have not seen a consensus or a tide willing to voice their support Where are the end users of the trigger that think it is great and recommend buying?
I'm really happy with mine and have been since I installed it.
Nate Whitfield
NAAH Tool Works
Naahtoolworks@gmail.com
Naahtoolworks.com
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I have not seen a consensus or a tide willing to voice their support Where are the end users of the trigger that think it is great and recommend buying?
My 2 cents is on Page 10. I like my trigger and install was easy enough with no modifications necessary. More comfortable to shoot, shorter take up and reset, reliable trigger safety.. what more could you want? If they're back in stock I'd suggest grabbing one.
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I'm thinking I still need to get this -185 rounds yesterday and my trigger finger was feeling the pinch.
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I was able to test out my new HBI Trigger for the first time, yesterday. It functioned just as it should (flawlessly), but unfortunately it didn't eliminate the "painful trigger-finger" problem I was having with the stock trigger. I only "endured" 60rds (I had loaded up 4 magazines before heading to the range), and couldn't bring myself to load the magazines up again to continue shooting. It's looking like the problem isn't the actual Triggers, but likely that my hand/fingers just don't "work" well with the ergonomics of the P-10C (at least when it comes to trigger-finger placement).
So, when I sat down earlier today to clean up the pistol, I went ahead and reinstalled the factory trigger. I guess I'll just have to keep looking for another solution.
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Which one did you get, the black one?
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Which one did you get, the black one?
Yes, I got the Black one.
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I was able to test out my new HBI Trigger for the first time, yesterday. It functioned just as it should (flawlessly), but unfortunately it didn't eliminate the "painful trigger-finger" problem I was having with the stock trigger. I only "endured" 60rds (I had loaded up 4 magazines before heading to the range), and couldn't bring myself to load the magazines up again to continue shooting. It's looking like the problem isn't the actual Triggers, but likely that my hand/fingers just don't "work" well with the ergonomics of the P-10C (at least when it comes to trigger-finger placement).
So, when I sat down earlier today to clean up the pistol, I went ahead and reinstalled the factory trigger. I guess I'll just have to keep looking for another solution.
Was your finger sliding down the face of the trigger? The very bottom of the trigger can still be a little uncomfortable, but there's a plenty big, flat area on the face of the trigger.
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I was able to test out my new HBI Trigger for the first time, yesterday. It functioned just as it should (flawlessly), but unfortunately it didn't eliminate the "painful trigger-finger" problem I was having with the stock trigger. I only "endured" 60rds (I had loaded up 4 magazines before heading to the range), and couldn't bring myself to load the magazines up again to continue shooting. It's looking like the problem isn't the actual Triggers, but likely that my hand/fingers just don't "work" well with the ergonomics of the P-10C (at least when it comes to trigger-finger placement).
So, when I sat down earlier today to clean up the pistol, I went ahead and reinstalled the factory trigger. I guess I'll just have to keep looking for another solution.
How is your finger on the trigger. I use to shoot rifles with my trigger finger up to the first joint. Since shooting semi-auto pistol pistols I have moved my finger closer to the tip of the pad. Like the red line in the CWP101 photo. I tried shooting up to the first joint with the HBI trigger. The bottom of the trigger was poking the bottom of my finger under recoil. With the tip of the pad on the flat face of the the HBI trigger I don't have any issues.
With the factory trigger I was having to put the raised safety in the crease of the first joint on my trigger finger to not get it to sting. That much finger on the trigger caused me to push my shots to the left. David
(https://s20.postimg.org/qtkqd7eel/trigger-finger.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/wuifaa8ql/triggerfingerplacement-300x218.jpg)
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Was your finger sliding down the face of the trigger? The very bottom of the trigger can still be a little uncomfortable, but there's a plenty big, flat area on the face of the trigger.
Yeah, the most painful issue was that my finger would inevitably end up at the bottom of the trigger by the 2nd or 3rd shot (getting poked by the "fangs"). But even when I deliberately placed my finger at mid-trigger face (or higher) for each individual shot, it was still unpleasant to shoot. Which is a disappointment, because I was fairly hopeful that the flat, wide face of the trigger would be the solution I was looking for (as it seems to have been for multiple posters on this thread).
I appreciate the pointer though.
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How is your finger on the trigger. I use to shoot rifles with my trigger finger up to the first joint. Since shooting semi-auto pistol pistols I have moved my finger closer to the tip of the pad. Like the red line in the CWP101 photo. I tried shooting up to the first joint with the HBI trigger. The bottom of the trigger was poking the bottom of my finger under recoil. With the tip of the pad on the flat face of the the HBI trigger I don't have any issues.
With the factory trigger I was having to put the raised safety in the crease of the first joint on my trigger finger to not get it to sting. That much finger on the trigger caused me to push my shots to the left. David
(https://s20.postimg.org/qtkqd7eel/trigger-finger.jpg)
(https://s20.postimg.org/wuifaa8ql/triggerfingerplacement-300x218.jpg)
Unfortunately, everything I tried was unsuccessful. I must of attempted about a dozen combinations of finger placement, from the tip of my finger-pad to beyond the first knuckle (and everything in between), and from low on the trigger face to as high on it as I could manage. And to make sure it wasn't just the initial "fang bite" pain carrying over to the rest of my shots, I ran through 4 magazines with my Glock 19, but didn't experience any discomfort.
It's looking like it may be one of those rare "incompatibility" issues between my hand shape (and my long, bony fingers) and the pistol's combination of high-grip, trigger location, and length of pull.
Thanks for the advice and illustrations though. I'll save a copy of both pics for future use, as I'm sure they'll be helpful for not only me, but also several of my family members that have recently got into shooting.
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Toby196 do you have large hands and fingers? I'm 5'7" and weigh 155 pounds with relatively slim fingers and have no issues at all with the stock trigger. No rubbing or pinching. I thought about getting the HBI flat trigger but not for that reason. Having shot 1911's most of my life I prefer flat triggers over rounded one. The reason I am not going with the HBI trigger is it shortens the take up and since the P-10C is my every day carry, having a shorter take up concerns me. I am, however, going to try one of their 3.5 pound striker springs to lighten the trigger pull just a bit. Mine currently breaks at 5.15 pounds and I would like it closer to 4.5 pounds. Good luck solving your trigger issue.
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Toby it happens. I can't stand the newer curved trigger on CZ's. It tears my finger up. The original silver trigger is much better for me. Fortunately we are in a time where we have tons of options for pistols. David
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Toby196 do you have large hands and fingers? I'm 5'7" and weigh 155 pounds with relatively slim fingers and have no issues at all with the stock trigger. No rubbing or pinching. I thought about getting the HBI flat trigger but not for that reason. Having shot 1911's most of my life I prefer flat triggers over rounded one. The reason I am not going with the HBI trigger is it shortens the take up and since the P-10C is my every day carry, having a shorter take up concerns me. I am, however, going to try one of their 3.5 pound striker springs to lighten the trigger pull just a bit. Mine currently breaks at 5.15 pounds and I would like it closer to 4.5 pounds. Good luck solving your trigger issue.
Thanks, cremaley. I'm sure I'll figure something out eventually.
To answer your question: My hands aren't extremely large (probably somewhat over average), but I do have long, thin fingers (I'm 6'1" and about 185 pounds).
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Well, I still get pinched, although not as badly. I got inspired by pics on the Great Lakes Custom Works FB Page. They do some awesome custom stippling, and they also do finger index cutouts under trigger guards. If they can cut a deeper finger groove under the guard, they could just as easily scoop a bit out INSIDE the guard. I started with polishing the inside of the trigger guard, and hopefully that?s all it will take. I gently filed the seam down under the trigger, and smoothed it out with 1500 grit paper. I?ll report back as soon as I get a chance to get out and try it.
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Well, I still get pinched, although not as badly. I got inspired by pics on the Great Lakes Custom Works FB Page. They do some awesome custom stippling, and they also do finger index cutouts under trigger guards. If they can cut a deeper finger groove under the guard, they could just as easily scoop a bit out INSIDE the guard. I started with polishing the inside of the trigger guard, and hopefully that?s all it will take. I gently filed the seam down under the trigger, and smoothed it out with 1500 grit paper. I?ll report back as soon as I get a chance to get out and try it.
I'll be interested to hear if that works for you. I'm still not entirely sure whether my problem is my finger being pinched or a form of "trigger-slap" from the bottom of the trigger. If it's the former, I may have to try your solution, if it works out for you.
BTW, if anyone here is interested in my "used" black HBI Trigger Kit (I only used the trigger, not the rest of the kit, and only fired 60 rounds) let me know.
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If had extra cash I would. You have enough posts to put it up on Classifieds.
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If had extra cash I would. You have enough posts to put it up on Classifieds.
Yeah, that's probably what I'll end up doing. I've been thinking of doing so since I removed it, but have just been too lazy/distracted to list it. ;D
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This is the only pistol I?ve ever handled where the slide return actually resets the trigger. At first I thought it was slapping too, but I actually had a crease along my finger after about a hundred rounds.
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Trigger reset should only occur when you let the trigger out. You can hear it during dry fire quite easily, and it's a short and easy reset. If the trigger is reset only by the slide movement...I might contact CZ-USA and see what's up. As for a crease, yep, the trigger is the one thing I would like to replace with the flatter HBI - after 185 rounds my trigger finger is feeling the bite a wee bit!
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Well, I still get pinched, although not as badly. I got inspired by pics on the Great Lakes Custom Works FB Page. They do some awesome custom stippling, and they also do finger index cutouts under trigger guards. If they can cut a deeper finger groove under the guard, they could just as easily scoop a bit out INSIDE the guard. I started with polishing the inside of the trigger guard, and hopefully that?s all it will take. I gently filed the seam down under the trigger, and smoothed it out with 1500 grit paper. I?ll report back as soon as I get a chance to get out and try it.
I'll be interested to hear if that works for you. I'm still not entirely sure whether my problem is my finger being pinched or a form of "trigger-slap" from the bottom of the trigger. If it's the former, I may have to try your solution, if it works out for you.
BTW, if anyone here is interested in my "used" black HBI Trigger Kit (I only used the trigger, not the rest of the kit, and only fired 60 rounds) let me know.
I?d be interested!
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I?d be interested!
I responded to your PM. Thanks.
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Was your finger sliding down the face of the trigger? The very bottom of the trigger can still be a little uncomfortable, but there's a plenty big, flat area on the face of the trigger.
Yeah, the most painful issue was that my finger would inevitably end up at the bottom of the trigger by the 2nd or 3rd shot (getting poked by the "fangs"). But even when I deliberately placed my finger at mid-trigger face (or higher) for each individual shot, it was still unpleasant to shoot. Which is a disappointment, because I was fairly hopeful that the flat, wide face of the trigger would be the solution I was looking for (as it seems to have been for multiple posters on this thread).
I appreciate the pointer though.
I took my P10C out to the range yesterday, planning on running another 100 rounds through it. To date, the trigger issue has not been terrible, and I do have an HBi trigger installed, but for whatever reason, it was awful yesterday. I stopped shooting the P10C after 30 rounds and put the remaining rounds through my 99021 75B railed compact that I was carrying yesterday. It's not a real fair comparison though, as that guns been fully polished internally with a CGW Pro kit installed. I tried different finger placement like you mentioned above, but like you, it made little difference. I think that it's the sharp inner edges of the hooks that were biting my trigger finger. To add insult to injury, I had a Glock 23 along and had no trigger pinch issues with that and ran a quick 50 rounds through it.
I need to figure out what to do to fix the P10C trigger as I love that gun. The trigger pinch is the only thing that's keeping it from being perfect for carry (for me, YMMV). Sooner or later, someone has to come out with a trigger that can run through 500 rounds with no pain, just as the rest of my CZs can.
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Was your finger sliding down the face of the trigger? The very bottom of the trigger can still be a little uncomfortable, but there's a plenty big, flat area on the face of the trigger.
Yeah, the most painful issue was that my finger would inevitably end up at the bottom of the trigger by the 2nd or 3rd shot (getting poked by the "fangs"). But even when I deliberately placed my finger at mid-trigger face (or higher) for each individual shot, it was still unpleasant to shoot. Which is a disappointment, because I was fairly hopeful that the flat, wide face of the trigger would be the solution I was looking for (as it seems to have been for multiple posters on this thread).
I appreciate the pointer though.
I took my P10C out to the range yesterday, planning on running another 100 rounds through it. To date, the trigger issue has not been terrible, and I do have an HBi trigger installed, but for whatever reason, it was awful yesterday. I stopped shooting the P10C after 30 rounds and put the remaining rounds through my 99021 75B railed compact that I was carrying yesterday. It's not a real fair comparison though, as that guns been fully polished internally with a CGW Pro kit installed. I tried different finger placement like you mentioned above, but like you, it made little difference. I think that it's the sharp inner edges of the hooks that were biting my trigger finger. To add insult to injury, I had a Glock 23 along and had no trigger pinch issues with that and ran a quick 50 rounds through it.
I need to figure out what to do to fix the P10C trigger as I love that gun. The trigger pinch is the only thing that's keeping it from being perfect for carry (for me, YMMV). Sooner or later, someone has to come out with a trigger that can run through 500 rounds with no pain, just as the rest of my CZs can.
Yes, it looks like you had pretty much the same experience as me. Coincidentally, after enduring enough pain from shooting with the P-10C, I also picked up my Glock (a G19) to finish out my session, and it felt painless (as usual).
And yeah, I'm hoping for another trigger alternative to become available too. I do have a 2nd issue with the P-10C, which is the position of the Slide Release (which either causes failure to lock open, or requires me to use an unnatural feeling grip), but that can eventually be addressed by either modifying the Lever or, if that isn't possible, just training enough with an altered thumb placement.
I also really want to make this gun work for me, as it is far more ergonomic than my EDC G19 (I know that's not saying much, lol), and has a noticeably better trigger pull. Without the trigger pain and Slide Release interference, it would make an outstanding replacement/substitution to my G19 as my "daily-carry gun".
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I pulled the HBi trigger out of mine tonight and took a small file to the inside edges of the fangs. to round them down a bit. I also took a file and cleaned up the inside of the trigger guard. I sanded it smooth and it feels better now, but we'll see this weekend with some rounds down range. I shot this along side of my G23 yesterday and the G23 did feel better. It's like shooting a brick, but the trigger didn't bite like the P10C's did. I really want to figure the P10C trigger out. I've tried to carry G19s but could not get comfortable with them and ended selling them both. The G23 works for me for some reason, and the P10C would give me what the G19 promised, but in a much nicer package. I am really comfortable with the P10C and am at around 1700 rounds now. Love the thing, but it needs to stop biting the finger that shoots it.
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I pulled the HBi trigger out of mine tonight and took a small file to the inside edges of the fangs. to round them down a bit. I also took a file and cleaned up the inside of the trigger guard. I sanded it smooth and it feels better now, but we'll see this weekend with some rounds down range. I shot this along side of my G23 yesterday and the G23 did feel better. It's like shooting a brick, but the trigger didn't bite like the P10C's did. I really want to figure the P10C trigger out. I've tried to carry G19s but could not get comfortable with them and ended selling them both. The G23 works for me for some reason, and the P10C would give me what the G19 promised, but in a much nicer package. I am really comfortable with the P10C and am at around 1700 rounds now. Love the thing, but it needs to stop biting the finger that shoots it.
Lol - Well said! ;D
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What is the purpose of the fangs on a trigger that is mostly flat?
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Installed my HB trigger today and was a very easy install.Will to get to the range soon to test it out.
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This evening I installed the trigger I purchased from Toby, had a bit of trouble with it resetting reliably and could hear some scraping when manually pulling the trigger forward.
I checked for interference between the trigger bar and locking block but had plenty of clearance. Reinstalled and worked the trigger multiple times, removed it again and found wear marks on the trigger itself.
The trigger was rubbing the locking block in the corners of the locking block slot. I knocked down two corners on the trigger using a small file and sandpaper. Works fine now.
Difficult to describe and I didn?t take it apart again to take pics, but hopefully this pic will get be clear. The circled area on each side of the trigger was rubbing very slightly.
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This evening I installed the trigger I purchased from Toby, had a bit of trouble with it resetting reliably and could hear some scraping when manually pulling the trigger forward.
I checked for interference between the trigger bar and locking block but had plenty of clearance. Reinstalled and worked the trigger multiple times, removed it again and found wear marks on the trigger itself.
The trigger was rubbing the locking block in the corners of the locking block slot. I knocked down two corners on the trigger using a small file and sandpaper. Works fine now.
Difficult to describe and I didn?t take it apart again to take pics, but hopefully this pic will get be clear. The circled area on each side of the trigger was rubbing very slightly.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171113/f46313f3d29e1ed38a9c4d2f7da34ac4.jpg)
I'm sorry to hear that. I didn't notice any rubbing/interference on the trigger in the short time I had it installed (or anywhere on the locking block, but I had already modified the locking block's lower-rear corners to prevent contact with the Trigger Bar).
I'm glad you were able to fix the problem and get it working properly. I hope it works well for you during live-fire at the range. :)
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No problem at all Toby!!! We know these pistols have some minor differences from month to month, it?s a gun issue - not a trigger issue.
Hope I didn?t make it seem like I was complaining about the trigger purchase! That was fast and flawless.
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No problem at all Toby!!! We know these pistols have some minor differences from month to month, it?s a gun issue - not a trigger issue.
Hope I didn?t make it seem like I was complaining about the trigger purchase! That was fast and flawless.
Thanks milq, it's cool. I didn't interpret your post as a complaint, but I just tend to be disappointed and feel responsible if I sale something (or even give a family member a gift) and there are problems with it that I was unaware of. :-[ I'm just glad that is sounds like you have the issue handled.
And thanks again for the ultra-quick payment - it's always nice having a smooth, painless transaction. :)
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Had to remove the HBI trigger from the frame to break the sharp edges on the fangs. Here are a couple of pics from where it had been rubbing previously.
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Had to remove the HBI trigger from the frame to break the sharp edges on the fangs. Here are a couple of pics from where it had been rubbing previously.
Great pics.
Did you manage to smooth out the edges on the fangs, and if so, did it make an improvement? I never even thought to try that as a way to make the Trigger more comfortable for me.
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Great pics.
Did you manage to smooth out the edges on the fangs, and if so, did it make an improvement? I never even thought to try that as a way to make the Trigger more comfortable for me.
I got rid of the sharp edges but haven?t had an opportunity to shoot yet. If it still bites me I?ll remove the fangs/bumps completely. If that doesn?t do the trick...I?ll make my own. I need to make a rear sight anyway, none on the market do anything for me.
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Great pics.
Did you manage to smooth out the edges on the fangs, and if so, did it make an improvement? I never even thought to try that as a way to make the Trigger more comfortable for me.
I got rid of the sharp edges but haven?t had an opportunity to shoot yet. If it still bites me I?ll remove the fangs/bumps completely. If that doesn?t do the trick...I?ll make my own. I need to make a rear sight anyway, none on the market do anything for me.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171115/7a90884ce8acd8567e1258717c658bb7.jpg)
:o Wow, I wish I had access to that type of machinery. Is that an "industrial" 3-D printer, or an injection molding machine?
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Great pics.
Did you manage to smooth out the edges on the fangs, and if so, did it make an improvement? I never even thought to try that as a way to make the Trigger more comfortable for me.
I got rid of the sharp edges but haven?t had an opportunity to shoot yet. If it still bites me I?ll remove the fangs/bumps completely. If that doesn?t do the trick...I?ll make my own. I need to make a rear sight anyway, none on the market do anything for me.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171115/7a90884ce8acd8567e1258717c658bb7.jpg)
:o Wow, I wish I had access to that type of machinery. Is that an "industrial" 3-D printer, or an injection molding machine?
It's a wire EDM.
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It's a wire EDM.
Thanks for the response. I had to Google what a "wire EDM" was, and watch a short YouTube video to get an idea of how they work. They look like really impressive machines.
Edited to Add: They also look like really expensive machines too, lol.
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It's a wire EDM.
Thanks for the response. I had to Google what a "wire EDM" was, and watch a short YouTube video to get an idea of how they work. They look like really impressive machines.
Edited to Add: They also look like really expensive machines too, lol.
Yeah, they?re spendy. Roughly $150k but very accurate.
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It's a wire EDM.
Thanks for the response. I had to Google what a "wire EDM" was, and watch a short YouTube video to get an idea of how they work. They look like really impressive machines.
Edited to Add: They also look like really expensive machines too, lol.
Yeah, they?re spendy. Roughly $150k but very accurate.
:o I just about spit out my Pepsi...Wow! When I said "really expensive", I was thinking "only" in the 10's of thousands. That definitely rules out any possibility of acquiring my own wire EDM. :'(
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I can?t afford one either! But I get to use that one for personal projects on occasion.
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I can?t afford one either! But I get to use that one for personal projects on occasion.
Use it to make an extended safety lever for the P-07 and P-09 and you will sell 1000's of them!
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Use it to make an extended safety lever for the P-07 and P-09 and you will sell 1000's of them!
I have the same complaint about the P-07/09 and the P01 Omega isn?t s huge improvement.
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Not a trigger yet, running a new rear sight prototype right now...
https://youtu.be/XpTZDXvNEjw
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Milq, I?ll buy one of those.
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So my HBI trigger is totally fang-less now. No matter what I tried my finger wants to slide down to the bumps during shooting.
I think if the trigger face was truly vertical at the rear of travel it wouldn?t be an issue, but it goes beyond vertical and the bottom of the trigger is further back than the top.
I?ll try it this way first then start designing a new one if I still have issues...sadly it may be weeks before I can get some time on the EDM
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I am very curious about the trigger biting issue. I have been shooting my P-10 on a regular basis and have not had any issues with the stock trigger biting my trigger finger. Is is peculiar to shooters who have large hands and thick fingers? My fingers are on the thin side and I find the stock trigger to be quite comfortable. Not casting stones just trying to understand the reason for the issue.
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With me if I shot with the first joint of my finger on the trigger safety it wasn?t a problem. I normally shoot with my trigger finger closure to the tip of the pad. When doing that the raised trigger safety would irritate my finger after 100 or so rounds. If that makes any sense. David
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With me if I shot with the first joint of my finger on the trigger safety it wasn?t a problem. I normally shoot with my trigger finger closure to the tip of the pad. When doing that the raised trigger safety would irritate my finger after 100 or so rounds. If that makes any sense. David
I always shoot with the first joint of my finger on the trigger safety so maybe that's why its not an issue for me. Thanks for responding.
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I took a round file and slowly took the edge off the little trigger safety "dingus" until it flushed up to the face of the factory trigger.
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I took a round file and slowly took the edge off the little trigger safety "dingus" until it flushed up to the face of the factory trigger.
That?s what I did to the factory trigger and it was much improved. Just had the desire to try the HBI, wasn?t worth it for me.
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I FINALLY got to the range this week for another go with the HBI trigger (+ new talon grips) and my polishing job. Mixed results. I still got the pinch with my first few shots, but my polishing work helped to some extent. The lesson from this trip is that the gun is absolutely better than I am, and it?s going to hold me accountable. If I use the proper finger tip press on the trigger, no worries. If I drift off and start hooking my finger around it, it?ll remind me in no uncertain terms. I?m still glad I swapped the trigger, because the rounded profile with the exposed safety ?blade? didn?t feel good at all.
I believe I?m done spending money on this pistol. I just have to figure out what holster to get for it and I?ll be set!
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So here is my question. Since I don't have any issues with the stock trigger pinching my trigger finger, are there any other benefits of switching to the HB Industries flat trigger. After having the trigger components polished and the stock striker spring replaced with a 3.5 pound one, trigger pull averages 4.27 and my P-10 is a joy to shoot. I'm also not bothered by the aggressive texturing on the grip. In fact, I really like it. Would appreciate your comments.
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Did anyone notice that the Theta trigger no longer has the fangs. Pure flat trigger.. I really don't think it's fair to take my money twice, but I bought the revised model. Hopefully it performs just as well.
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Mine is the original with the fangs but they don't bother me so I have no intentions of getting the revised one.
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If your trigger works just fine, stick with it, no need to "upgrade" when you are already happy with what you have. :) My issue was the bottom of my fat finger scraping along the inside of the trigger guard and pinched between the bottom of the trigger and guard. It only bothers me after I shoot a few hundred rounds or so. I'll look at the CGW trigger when I can, hopefully the full 100% upgrade kit if I can sell enough blood plasma!
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If your trigger works just fine, stick with it, no need to "upgrade" when you are already happy with what you have. :) My issue was the bottom of my fat finger scraping along the inside of the trigger guard and pinched between the bottom of the trigger and guard. It only bothers me after I shoot a few hundred rounds or so. I'll look at the CGW trigger when I can, hopefully the full 100% upgrade kit if I can sell enough blood plasma!
What will the 100% upgrade kit consist of?
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The Pro Package from CGW, when they get enough items to offer it as a package. :)
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The Pro Package from CGW, when they get enough items to offer it as a package. :)
Thanks!
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Did anyone notice that the Theta trigger no longer has the fangs. Pure flat trigger.. I really don't think it's fair to take my money twice, but I bought the revised model. Hopefully it performs just as well.
I got tired of the fangs biting and filed them off the other day. The trigger feels really, really good now. I'm at a loss as to order another HBI trigger for the second P10C or wait for the CGW parts. I'm sure that the CGW parts will make a big difference but with the fangs removed, the HBI trigger is really good in itself.
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So here is my question. Since I don't have any issues with the stock trigger pinching my trigger finger, are there any other benefits of switching to the HB Industries flat trigger. After having the trigger components polished and the stock striker spring replaced with a 3.5 pound one, trigger pull averages 4.27 and my P-10 is a joy to shoot. I'm also not bothered by the aggressive texturing on the grip. In fact, I really like it. Would appreciate your comments.
Hello, where did you source the 3.5lb striker spring? Thanks!
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So here is my question. Since I don't have any issues with the stock trigger pinching my trigger finger, are there any other benefits of switching to the HB Industries flat trigger. After having the trigger components polished and the stock striker spring replaced with a 3.5 pound one, trigger pull averages 4.27 and my P-10 is a joy to shoot. I'm also not bothered by the aggressive texturing on the grip. In fact, I really like it. Would appreciate your comments.
Hello, where did you source the 3.5lb striker spring? Thanks!
When you purchase the HB Industries flat trigger, it come with a 3.5 pound and a 3 pound striker spring in the kit.
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So here is my question. Since I don't have any issues with the stock trigger pinching my trigger finger, are there any other benefits of switching to the HB Industries flat trigger. After having the trigger components polished and the stock striker spring replaced with a 3.5 pound one, trigger pull averages 4.27 and my P-10 is a joy to shoot. I'm also not bothered by the aggressive texturing on the grip. In fact, I really like it. Would appreciate your comments.
Hello, where did you source the 3.5lb striker spring? Thanks!
When you purchase the HB Industries flat trigger, it come with a 3.5 pound and a 3 pound striker spring in the kit.
Thanks, I didn't realize you had the HB Ind. kit. I was hoping there was a way to buy the springs without buying the whole kit.
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So here is my question. Since I don't have any issues with the stock trigger pinching my trigger finger, are there any other benefits of switching to the HB Industries flat trigger. After having the trigger components polished and the stock striker spring replaced with a 3.5 pound one, trigger pull averages 4.27 and my P-10 is a joy to shoot. I'm also not bothered by the aggressive texturing on the grip. In fact, I really like it. Would appreciate your comments.
Hello, where did you source the 3.5lb striker spring? Thanks!
When you purchase the HB Industries flat trigger, it come with a 3.5 pound and a 3 pound striker spring in the kit.
Thanks, I didn't realize you had the HB Ind. kit. I was hoping there was a way to buy the springs without buying the whole kit.
What pound spring are you looking to use?
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Just put a trigger gauge on the P10 with HBI trigger and stock striker spring ...3 3/4 LBS . When i first got the gun new with the stock trigger it was 4.1 LBS .
I have about 3000 rounds thru it .
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Just put a trigger gauge on the P10 with HBI trigger and stock striker spring ...3 3/4 LBS . When i first got the gun new with the stock trigger it was 4.1 LBS .
I have about 3000 rounds thru it .
Very nice.
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I guess i got a good one , have not had any problems that others have had . But i also have an earlier one than most , serial # starts with a 1 .
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Just installed the HBI trigger in my friend's FDE P10 and just noticed the fangs are gone. Personally I prefer the fangs. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180215/b6eee4951f118a264f19ff9471459aa8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180215/a5929028682c4e152fa4ce454e98ee72.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180215/cbcaf010cc003499073b11f6553bf2e8.jpg)
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I also have the fangs on my HBI trigger and don't mind it at all. In fact I kinda like it.
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Just had one put on, no fangs.
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Just had one put on, no fangs.
How do you like it?
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I really like it. I just ordered Talon grips and when they arrive and I put them on and get a chance to shoot again I will update you. May take awhile.
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I really like it. I just ordered Talon grips and when they arrive and I put them on and get a chance to shoot again I will update you. May take awhile.
Thanks. Had Talon grips on my G43. Really liked them. I know a lot of people don't like the aggressive texture on the P-10 grip but for some reason I doesn't bother me. I actually like it.
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My HBI trigger has the fangs and quite honestly I would rather not have them. They tend to start digging in during a long range session. If anyone wants to trade straight up let me know, my trigger is black and I would take any color.
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I had both and I stuck with the flat trigger. It's more comfortable for me and I seem to shoot it a little better. I can get a little lower and it allows me to manipulate the pull a little more.
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I thought about changing out my trigger with the fangs but I am shooting so well with it I'm going to stick with it.
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I am not 100% happy with the fangs on their first model . I will be switching to the CGW when it comes out and give that a try.
Will be nice to be able to compare side by side.
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Just might have to take a look at the CGW trigger when it comes out. Very happy with the quality of their tool steel striker. Assume the trigger will be the same quality.
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Just might have to take a look at the CGW trigger when it come out. Very happy with the quality of their tool steel striker. Assume the trigger will be the same quality.
Nope I'm not going to look because I'm a weak man! I have been trying not to look at any of the invoices for all the P10 upgrades because I'm afraid no bueno!
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Just might have to take a look at the CGW trigger when it come out. Very happy with the quality of their tool steel striker. Assume the trigger will be the same quality.
Nope I'm not going to look because I'm a weak man! I have been trying not to look at any of the invoices for all the P10 upgrades because I'm afraid no bueno!
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You know what Nike says " Just Do It "
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Just might have to take a look at the CGW trigger when it come out. Very happy with the quality of their tool steel striker. Assume the trigger will be the same quality.
Nope I'm not going to look because I'm a weak man! I have been trying not to look at any of the invoices for all the P10 upgrades because I'm afraid no bueno!
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You know what Nike says " Just Do It "
You're a bad influence smh!
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