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GENERAL => Tactics and Competition => Topic started by: Scarlett Pistol on September 15, 2017, 05:26:17 PM
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https://youtu.be/V25IT_2U0WU
The idea of the left thumb countering the trigger finger pushing towards the weak hand.... Just don't accept this. The strong hand fingers squeeze the front strap back into your hand. Your trigger finger squeezes or slaps the trigger back in the same exact direction. The weak hand squeezes to steady it all. No accomplished competitors teach what is in this video.
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This is fast shooting??with a relatively BIG target at 7 yards? Is it required to reestablish your grip after each shot? Whether you jerk or whatever you do to the trigger pull/press???
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Umm, I'm glad I never watched any videos like this before firing my pistol for the first time. Whatever he's trying to do, I have to agree with Scarlett... He's doing it wrong!
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This 'theory' would counter the use of a thumbrest that some competitors install to help with recoil control. Second, re-gripping between each pull indicates a skill level I am not ready to learn from.
[sadly, I find myself piling on]
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I just pulled a gun out and tried it.
Nope.
Not gonna work for me.
Going to stay with the grip I've had for the last 50 years.
My gross motor skills where I only pull a single finger to fire the weapon seems to work out OK most of the time.
But hey, I'm proud of myself for at least trying to see if it would work. LOL
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This is a technique this you come up with, when you are self diagnosing problems in your shooting. I know, because I've seen me do it. I use to do this very thing. I found that my follow up shoots were slow, because it made my front sight track off to the right. I didn't even notice it till a much more experienced shooter pointed it out to me. By relaxing my thumb, that allowed to front sight to track vertically bringing the gun back on target faster.
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.....funny!
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too bad so much inaccurate training is out on the internet. I believe in "hands on training" at a range. To believe everything you see and hear on the internet is just crazy in my opinion.
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https://youtu.be/V25IT_2U0WU
The idea of the left thumb countering the trigger finger pushing towards the weak hand.... Just don't accept this. The strong hand fingers squeeze the front strap back into your hand. Your trigger finger squeezes or slaps the trigger back in the same exact direction. The weak hand squeezes to steady it all. No accomplished competitors teach what is in this video.
Haha, I just threw up a little.
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I couldn't watch all of that video, but I saw enough to see that his gun doesn't fit his hand and that he could use a little Sugru and JB-Weld to minimize that push to the left. I'm afraid he wouldn't fair too well in a bullseye match.
Looks like a "fix my horn, my brakes don't work" approach to me.
I don't need my left hand to correct what my right hand is doing. I'll stick with my approach, as will anyone I have the honor to instruct.
Joe
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Some people clearly have too much time on their hands. His ideas are silly.
GS
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The gun moves all over the place with one hand shooting cause it is that obnoxioussly heavy sig trigger pull. I have heard of the support hand closing up all the gaps in the grip that the strong hand doesn't get. Thumbs forward has been taught in tactical schools.
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I use to do this very thing. I found that my follow up shoots were slow, because it made my front sight track off to the right.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
If you push from the left on the pistol with your thumb, as soon as the gun starts to move it will track right. Congratulations, you've just increased your splits. ;)
The movement you get during the trigger squeeze can be compensated for by grip, but simply by a strong grip, nothing fancy. And you don't get that by squeezing as hard as you can until you've lost manual dexterity -- you get that by gripping firmly, then with arms slight bent, rotate you elbows externally, and your hands will clamp down on the pistol.
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I'm glad I had a good cop for a Dad and some hard assed gunnies in the service teach me right.
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Looks like Frank Proctor teaches this method in the video below around 3:11 (Not sure how to embed).
https://youtu.be/9aLzGZ9MHxI (https://youtu.be/9aLzGZ9MHxI)
Not too familiar with him but seems fairly accomplished.
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Looks like Frank Proctor teaches this method in the video below around 3:11 (Not sure how to embed).
Not too familiar with him but seems fairly accomplished.
These guys leave out the importance of the rolling the shoulders to point your elbows outward to clamp the grip onto the gun. It's not just hand placement...
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Is gripping it that important?
It sounds like you can completely limp-wrist it as long as your left thumb is pushing it hard enough.
The cardboard isn't shooting back - so we got all day to line-up that follow up shot.
;>)
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Every shooter needs to learn to do one thing and that is to pull the trigger without moving the gun. Single handed, double-handed, standing, from a rest, from a brace. Doesn't matter. You really shouldn't need to compensate for a push to the left with a thumb push to the right. What one must do is eliminate the push to the left. Make the gun and trigger fit your hand and then practice. This is not easy. One can learn to shoot a double action Sig or a revolver or almost anything with a heavy (but not gritty) trigger even single handed and not move the gun. But you can't do it out of the box on the first attempt. Not gonna happen.
Joe
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How is this different than a "thumbs forward" grip I was taught by a bunch of IDPA guys on a 1911?
The forward left thumb does help stabilize things for me.
But I never thought it countered a left pull thou. Maybe it does.
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Bob Vogel shows how it?s done...
https://youtu.be/45QhpvY9LZc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48