The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: K3JB on September 22, 2017, 01:02:44 AM
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I am out in Washington on vacation hiking in the Cascades.from Maryland. They have open carry here and it seems to work well.
People accept it and it is obviously no big deal from the folks who do not carry.
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The farther away you get from a big city - the more you run into people that understand that self defense, self reliance, and personal responsibility are a necessary part of existing in the real world.
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We can carry in Ohio openly but I've seen very few do so. The consensus being it's best to not even let people know you have it. I stick with concealment simply because I don't care to draw attention to myself from anyone.
If I lived out in wide open country I'd probably be openly carrying a big bore wheel gun though.
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Out in the open desert here, people might look at you funny if you aren't carrying a sidearm, especially in the Southern portions of the state. It can be a nice feeling when you have people come together who are open carrying, and the next thing you know, everyone is swapping gun stories and getting along famously.
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I am out in Washington on vacation hiking in the Cascades.from Maryland. They have open carry here and it seems to work well.
People accept it and it is obviously no big deal from the folks who do not carry.
Yep, works in the Cascades, but just try it in Seattle, Hell, they even arrested an old man for using a golf club as a walking stick, It could be used as a weapon. It did get tossed out but he still had to go to jail.
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Out in the open desert here, people might look at you funny if you aren't carrying a sidearm, especially in the Southern portions of the state. It can be a nice feeling when you have people come together who are open carrying, and the next thing you know, everyone is swapping gun stories and getting along famously.
That happens a lot out there in the desert!
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I am sure you are correct about Seattle, we were hiking on Mt Baker, Glacier, Washington and passed a couple of folks on the trail carrying.
Unfortunately I did not get a chance to chat with them. I have a CFL for florida and I like not drawing attention by not carrying out in the open.
Of course, this is just my comfort level. Out in the Cascades, it is a different story. A couple of wheel guns, and two 1911's of what I could see
on the trail.
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I agree with those that feel open carry isn't the best choice in the city.
Especially in crowded areas, it could make you a target.
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I am sure you are correct about Seattle, we were hiking on Mt Baker, Glacier, Washington and passed a couple of folks on the trail carrying.
Unfortunately I did not get a chance to chat with them. I have a CFL for florida and I like not drawing attention by not carrying out in the open.
Of course, this is just my comfort level. Out in the Cascades, it is a different story. A couple of wheel guns, and two 1911's of what I could see
on the trail.
Seattle always trys to out Liberal Portland........but that's a hard task to undertake....
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Lol. Portland is the hipster capital of the US.
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The North West is certainly beautiful country. I think if I lived in the unpopulated areas
I would feel comfortable carrying open. I just live around so many people that you definitely would
be a target.
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Always carry, never tell.
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I am originally from the big city so I have a big city mentality. Open carry is like having hundred dollar bills sticking out of your pockets. You are going to get mugged. I would not advertise the fact.
Out in the open country would be a different story.
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Always carry, never tell.
Right on!
IMHO!
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Not too long ago, only bad guys concealed their arms.
Even today, I'd wager that open carriers are good guys as a percentage far exceeding those good guys who carry concealed (almost all bad guys still cc -- illegally). Guess what group I'd rather be around. . .
Despite my belief that bad guys would rather target easier prey than an open carrier, I still like the unknown factor the criminal must face -- that maybe "those guys" not obviously carrying are.
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In Arizona - about 1 out of 28 people has a CCW permit. But.....
You do not need a permit to carry concealed in Arizona.
There's no telling how many CC, but it's obviously higher than the number of permit holders.
We can also open carry, but I don't see that many doing so in the city.
Outside fo the bigger cities - you see it all the time here.
And while we're at it, I figure about every other vehicle has a weapon in it.
Road Ragers beware!
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Yeah, that's about right. ;) Far more heavily and legally armed than Chicago, with less than half the murder rate. ;)
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Even anywhere north of Orlando here in Florida OC is pretty well received
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Even anywhere north of Orlando here in Florida OC is pretty well received
I thought OC was not legal in FLA?? Am I wrong?
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While we do have open carry here in Georgia, I still prefer to carry concealed. The important thing to me is I am armed and not how I choose to carry although I fully support the open carry law.
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I would rather the bad guys/gals not know this easy target is not so easy.
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I'm just a helpless senior citizen....
with FANGS.
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In my daily life open carry isn't for me. Always armed but noone, besides my wife who expects it, needs to know. That said, I hold nothing against those who do carry openly but I don't want or need the extra attention.
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Here in Oklahoma we now have open carry for concealed permit holders, but I rarely see anybody open carry in town. The disappointing thing to me is that when I do see open carriers they carry their guns in the cheapest low or no retention holsters imagineable. It would be a simple thing to lift their gun from the holster without them knowing.
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Here in Oklahoma we now have open carry for concealed permit holders, but I rarely see anybody open carry in town. The disappointing thing to me is that when I do see open carriers they carry their guns in the cheapest low or no retention holsters imagineable. It would be a simple thing to lift their gun from the holster without them knowing.
That would be concerning to me.
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Open carry if you must.......concealed just eliminates so many "issues" with nay-sayers, law enforcement, general public ignorance/fear, making yourself a target possibly......no one really needs to know, can't think of one thing that open carry does, that concealed carry doesn't do much better......just saying ;)
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Open carry if you must.......concealed just eliminates so many "issues" with nay-sayers, law enforcement, general public ignorance/fear, making yourself a target possibly......no one really needs to know, can't think of one thing that open carry does, that concealed carry doesn't do much better......just saying ;)
More open carry by good folks might normalize views that guns are tools that can be put to good use. So many people now a days are only exposed to Hollywood portrayal, blood sport video games or ganstas. This ignorance from the general populace is perhaps the greatest threat to the 2nd ammendment in general
Despite the pen being known as mightier than the sword, imagine if there was a frothing at the mouth clammer to infringe on the first ammendment. How ridiculous would it seem to license someone to express their opinion against the government? How sad would it be if we all took pleasure in the right to think about grievances towards the government but were hesitant to actually speak lest someone be offended?
I get it. I also don't have much time to waste on being hassled by LE nor do I want to scare the children at school, etc. I'm just as guilty of not being as vigilent as I could be. Though I prefer to conceal, I applaud those who carry openly and honestly believe OC is a deterrent, the bad guy preferring easier prey. Obviously, situational awareness and street smarts is key to being a deterrent vs. A snatch and grab target of some of the slobs that so many have seemed to notice. Maybe those slobs have been weeded out already in Detroit.
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When I drove through Missouri last October, I stopped in a Hardee's for dinner. Two patrons were open carrying out of the 10-12 customers present during the time I was there. Nobody seemed to pay it any attention. One was carrying a Sig, not sure about the other one.
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I think the responses in this thread are a great example of why even gun owners don't necessarily agree on how guns should be carried.....though we all believe having one is better than not. It really does come down to environment, culture, community, or situational as to what is the best option of how to carry. A lot of good points made by all who have offered up an opinion thus far....much appreciated!
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If one carries concealed he should not conduct himself as he would without a weapon. If one open carries he should not conduct himself as he does with a concealed weapon..........................................just sayin'
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I only open carry when I am out hiking a certain distance. Just works better for long hauls on foot.
Otherwise i greatly prefer CC and do so everyday. It is nobody's business but my own.
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If one carries concealed he should not conduct himself as he would without a weapon. If one open carries he should not conduct himself as he does with a concealed weapon..........................................just sayin'
... and don't curse unless women and children aren't around? ???
You said it, just not sure what "it" is. Should one act less polite or aware in your three scenarios?
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If one carries concealed he should not conduct himself as he would without a weapon. If one open carries he should not conduct himself as he does with a concealed weapon..........................................just sayin'
... and don't curse unless women and children aren't around? ???
You said it, just not sure what "it" is. Should one act less polite or aware in your three scenarios?
I don't think I'll touch that since you already are reading too much in to it.
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If one carries concealed he should not conduct himself as he would without a weapon. If one open carries he should not conduct himself as he does with a concealed weapon..........................................just sayin'
I wasn't trying to be confrontational, I just honestly have no clue what you are saying I "should" do so differently in the 3 scenarios that you outlined.
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SSSh...it's a secret.
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Ah, yes.... and let us practice the first ammendment of free speech silently so as not to offend anyone, too.
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Since I pretty much ALWAYS carry - I don't know if I conduct myself differently in different scenarios. I go about my business as usual. I don't make many waves and I do my very best to stay out of situations that require a firearm be deployed for my protection. I don't advertise, and really don't like to "print". I don't start anything with anyone that would ever be construed as doing so simply because I DID have a firearm with me. When I do open carry - it's in areas where I would expect most anybody I meet would be open carrying also.
But then again, I am only a little old senior citizen - WITH FANGS.
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Good Lord, I'm not talking about manners. Awareness people awareness.
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Here in Missouri. You can open carry conceal carry without a permit. I usually carry at least partially concealed. not to concerned if skmeone sees my gun if I reach up or bend down. I've never got a second glance open carrying though. Of course down here in the Ozarks may as well be a different country than kc St Louis and Columbia.
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Here in Missouri. You can open carry conceal carry without a permit. I usually carry at least partially concealed. not to concerned if skmeone sees my gun if I reach up or bend down. I've never got a second glance open carrying though. Of course down here in the Ozarks may as well be a different country than kc St Louis and Columbia.
I live in Springfield The only comment I've got when OC was thanking me for carrying.
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Good Lord, I'm not talking about manners. Awareness people awareness.
Then articulate it that way.
To put it simply you should be on a high level of situational awareness armed or not. That's the world we live in today.
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Good Lord man, we're in a gun forum not "Miss Manners". I would think you would assume we're talking about handling firearms.
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Conduct
verb
k?n?d?kt
1.
organize and carry out.
"in the second trial he conducted his own defense"
synonyms: manage, direct, run, administer, organize, coordinate, orchestrate, handle, control, oversee, supervise, regulate
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Good Lord man, we're in a gun forum not "Miss Manners". I would think you would assume we're talking about handling firearms.
Has nothing to do with miss manners. You post some home made nonsense that only you understand and then get upset when you are the only one who understands your euphemisms.
I think we all understand how to conduct ourselves carrying or not. We are all grown ups here.
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Good Lord man, we're in a gun forum not "Miss Manners". I would think you would assume we're talking about handling firearms.
Has nothing to do with miss manners. You post some home made nonsense that only you understand and then get upset when you are the only one who understands your euphemisms.
I think we all understand how to conduct ourselves carrying or not. We are all grown ups here.
See the very first post previous to your last post. English language, read all about it.
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Good Lord man, we're in a gun forum not "Miss Manners". I would think you would assume we're talking about handling firearms.
Has nothing to do with miss manners. You post some home made nonsense that only you understand and then get upset when you are the only one who understands your euphemisms.
I think we all understand how to conduct ourselves carrying or not. We are all grown ups here.
See the very first post previous to your last post. English language, read all about it.
Practice what you preach. we speak the english language here. Save the hieroglyphics for you cave wall.
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Good Lord man, we're in a gun forum not "Miss Manners". I would think you would assume we're talking about handling firearms.
Has nothing to do with miss manners. You post some home made nonsense that only you understand and then get upset when you are the only one who understands your euphemisms.
I think we all understand how to conduct ourselves carrying or not. We are all grown ups here.
See the very first post previous to your last post. English language, read all about it.
Practice what you preach. we speak the english language here. Save the hieroglyphics for you cave wall.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I do believe that would be "your" cave wall. LOLOLOL
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Good Lord man, we're in a gun forum not "Miss Manners". I would think you would assume we're talking about handling firearms.
Has nothing to do with miss manners. You post some home made nonsense that only you understand and then get upset when you are the only one who understands your euphemisms.
I think we all understand how to conduct ourselves carrying or not. We are all grown ups here.
See the very first post previous to your last post. English language, read all about it.
Practice what you preach. we speak the english language here. Save the hieroglyphics for you cave wall.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I do believe that would be "your" cave wall. LOLOLOL
Ho hum this conversation has lost any intelligence as though it ever existed anyway. Think I'll go practice my awareness or something. Maybe have lunch with miss manners or my old english teacher.
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Now that sounds like a plan! One of my english teachers was a hoot!
Condition yellow brother! have great lunch.
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Okay, that's enough.
Back on topic please
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Open carry if you must.......concealed just eliminates so many "issues" with nay-sayers, law enforcement, general public ignorance/fear, making yourself a target possibly......no one really needs to know, can't think of one thing that open carry does, that concealed carry doesn't do much better......just saying ;)
More open carry by good folks might normalize views that guns are tools that can be put to good use. So many people now a days are only exposed to Hollywood portrayal, blood sport video games or ganstas. This ignorance from the general populace is perhaps the greatest threat to the 2nd ammendment in general
I would very much like to believe that open carry might normalize views on guns.......reality tells me that one person in an instant can erase the good efforts of many over years, and the media won't let anything good come out of anything even remotely associated with a gun. Nice thought, shared by many.........realized in a meaningful way by nearly no one :-\