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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ BREN => Topic started by: wyoung on October 17, 2017, 07:04:24 PM

Title: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: wyoung on October 17, 2017, 07:04:24 PM
I have a full length Bren and I'm considering applying for a stamp to SBR it and buying the barrel assembly from CZ after I get the stamp. Are the weight savings that noticable with the SBR? I can't see there being that much difference with just 5" or so of the pencil barrel chopped off. Are there any advantages other than it being more compact obviously?
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: nonamehavei on October 17, 2017, 07:16:40 PM
I do not have a Bren, but I have an SBRed scorpion, ARs, and AKs. And I love how they handle, if I had a Bren I would definitely SBR it, that way you can really take advantage of the folding stock for a nice small footprint.
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: GeeMan on October 18, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
SBR's are definitely cool and are the closest to the original OEM design for purists, however you could also choose to get the 805 pistol and install a folding brace to get about the same thing without the $200 & waiting...  just an option...    I have both the carbine and the pistol, and my pistol is my EDC PDW so in my state that prohibits transporting loaded long arms, as a papered pistol I can travel with it loaded and concealed no differently than I do my Glock 19 (meant in a LEGAL context only, for anyone who might actually think I mean carrying my 805 underneath clothing to conceal it  ::) )...  just something to consider....

My PS1 rides inside an EDC Tri-Zip fight bag that also contains my Level II body armor, a six mag chest rig, and an IFAK...

(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22448642_10212430753782817_4198056357432833472_n.jpg?oh=6197a97d221dfbfb478214ab60a75281&oe=5A65082C)

(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22365682_10212430753742816_9152719122262556159_n.jpg?oh=90a8ed582492ab2c7cfa7c4f09242ab2&oe=5A78D551)
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: WaltherP99 on October 18, 2017, 01:05:02 PM
I have a full length Bren and I'm considering applying for a stamp to SBR it and buying the barrel assembly from CZ after I get the stamp. Are the weight savings that noticable with the SBR? I can't see there being that much difference with just 5" or so of the pencil barrel chopped off. Are there any advantages other than it being more compact obviously?

Just so you are aware...if you are OCD about matching numbers the new assembly will not match. They have their own SN#...
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: das boots on October 18, 2017, 10:28:11 PM
Wow GeeMan.  That is one beauty 805 pistol.
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: wyoung on October 27, 2017, 02:35:29 PM
Very nice GeeMan!

If I go the SBR route, where is the best location on the receiver to have it engraved? I'm not overly OCD but I'd like it to be as unnoticeable as possible in case it doesn't turn out well.
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: dbequill on October 28, 2017, 07:55:09 PM
SBR's are definitely cool and are the closest to the original OEM design for purists, however you could also choose to get the 805 pistol and install a folding brace to get about the same thing without the $200 & waiting...  just an option...    I have both the carbine and the pistol, and my pistol is my EDC PDW so in my state as a papered pistol I can travel with it loaded and concealed no differently than I do my Glock 19...  just something to consider....

https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22448642_10212430753782817_4198056357432833472_n.jpg?oh=6197a97d221dfbfb478214ab60a75281&oe=5A65082C

https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22365682_10212430753742816_9152719122262556159_n.jpg?oh=90a8ed582492ab2c7cfa7c4f09242ab2&oe=5A78D551

That looks awesome!
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: Bret on November 08, 2017, 04:12:55 PM
I have both the carbine and the pistol, and my pistol is my EDC PDW so in my state as a papered pistol I can travel with it loaded and concealed no differently than I do my Glock 19...
(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22448642_10212430753782817_4198056357432833472_n.jpg?oh=6197a97d221dfbfb478214ab60a75281&oe=5A65082C)
I'd love to see a picture of you carrying that pistol.  Seems a bit less carry friendly than a Glock 19 to me.
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: GeeMan on November 09, 2017, 01:53:25 AM
"I'd love to see a picture of you carrying that pistol.  Seems a bit less carry friendly than a Glock 19 to me."


Hopefully you are simply trolling, and in reality aren't as confused as your post portrays you to be...   ::) The context of my statement was meant to convey concealed 'carrying' in only a legal sense...  certainly not physically as if concealed in a holster on my person...  My 805 rides with me EDC fully loaded in a Tri-Zip fight bag, along with my Level II body armor, a six mag chest rig, and an IFAK...  hope that clears things up for you bro...
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: armoredman on November 09, 2017, 03:09:11 AM
To be fair, I have seen a guy who carried an AKM with 75 round drum slung under one shoulder with a trench coat over it. Looked really uncomfortable.
I have carried rifles in covert bags, and in some areas, especially now, that would be very nice to have available, if you can avoid the risk of being stolen out of a vehicle. Some of the smaller bags, like the 5.11 Sling Pack, look just like a day pack, but carry a PDW with relative ease. Here in AZ, there is no differentiating between firearm types for carry, so carrying a rifle concealed is legal. Far more difficult than a standard pistol in most cases, but legal. I would love to have a BREN 805 pistol with folding brace in a Sling Pack, good walking around set up while hiking or such without alarming the snow birds. :)
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: 88mustang on November 09, 2017, 09:26:38 AM
I filed my Form 1's after the ATF decided that shouldering a brace was verboten. I am going to build a AR pistol for HD in next few weeks, if it is ever needed would rather that was confiscated than an SBR
(https://i.imgur.com/IU0a5S3l.jpg)
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: Bret on November 09, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
"I'd love to see a picture of you carrying that pistol.  Seems a bit less carry friendly than a Glock 19 to me."

Hopefully you are simply trolling, and in reality aren't as confused as your post portrays you to be...   ::) The context of my statement was meant to convey concealed 'carrying' in only a legal sense...  certainly not physically as if concealed in a holster on my person...  My 805 rides with me EDC fully loaded in a Tri-Zip fight bag, along with my Level II body armor, a six mag chest rig, and an IFAK...  hope that clears things up for you bro...
Trolling?  You said "my pistol is my EDC PDW so in my state as a papered pistol I can travel with it loaded and concealed no differently than I do my Glock 19... ".  So you literally said that you carry it concealed no different than a Glock 19.  After writing that, I can't imagine how else you'd expect someone to visualize what you were trying to express.
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: armoredman on November 09, 2017, 11:26:08 PM
Gentlemen, please stay civil. :)
Maybe we should start a thread showing how people here can carry rifles all the time - I know a retired Detroit cop who has a cheap AK in a duffel bag in his van a lot...but that's just car carry.
Actually, that's not a bad idea - can you show us your carry setup, if you don't mind?
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: GeeMan on November 10, 2017, 02:08:32 AM
My 805-PS1 EDC PDW Fight Bag. Camelbak Tri-Zip Pack, Level II Body Armor, 6-Mag Chest Pouch, IFAK, Comtacs, Fixed Blade Knife, Multi-Tool, Eye Pro, Gloves, Shemagh, some other small items...

(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23472060_10212633874500708_3493282823574615534_n.jpg?oh=398a9c200141ad83b968569e2848db91&oe=5A614AF4)

(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23319537_10212633874540709_905302121387071675_n.jpg?oh=e9b44374b7c03e5022d239c7264e4708&oe=5AAA06E2)

(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23319487_10212633874580710_8216930836261433515_n.jpg?oh=08dd6f245ca1de0b9985c38f9e2ba5a3&oe=5A6ADBA5)

(https://scontent.bleepc1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23319179_10212633875140724_6991425060058385251_n.jpg?oh=11ac77b78976672d2491679824115d34&oe=5AA41569)

Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: TonyB on November 28, 2017, 05:56:47 PM
<SNIP>
In all fairness, my 2nd sbr was an mp5 clone.  It was "cool and all", but I hardly ever even get it out of the safe anymore and my heart just isn't into it like it used to be.  It is what it is.  A one trick pony.
<SNIP>

I did the same thing ... and felt the same way ... until I had a windfall and my wife said "spend it how you want" and I bought a transferable sear!
The MP5 came back to the front of the safe ... until I added a MP5K and an MP5SD /// this was back in the good old days when you could buy a sear pack for $10K ... long before they started hitting $35K like they are now
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: armoredman on November 28, 2017, 07:34:06 PM
Last full auto I fired was an M14 over 30 years ago, unless you count a magazine through an MP5/10 with two round burst, courtesy of the FBI. That was interesting.
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: TonyB on November 29, 2017, 01:20:39 PM
I couldn't imagine ripping off with a bunch of 308.  That sounds more like cruel and unusual punishment from doing something wrong than "fun" to me.  LOL
I had bought a PTR 91 Pistol (308) with the intent of SBR-ing it but with the sear installed I can put a stock on it, anyway, in FA, after the 3rd round you were pointing skywards so unless you were shooting at targets coming down a hill it wasn't very effective ... and yes, its not pleasant even with the HK21 clubfoot stock and heavy buffer!  I ended up selling it because I didn't shoot it ... sometimes I regret letting it go, but it helped to fund my 6.5 Creedmoor which I do shoot!
(https://s20.postimg.org/8k3480n59/8e389878-d1d8-43cc-a05d-6facd43ca2a2.jpg)

My first MP5 clone is a Coharie CA89, which I'd SBR'd just before Obama took office in (received my stamps on January 19th 2008); turn around on the stamp was 62 days.
The MP5K and MP5SD are the new Omega's I've bought in the last year ... I just bought the barreled receivers to save a few $$$ and I had a few HK parts including housing and SA trigger packs ... the thing I liked about them is they came "sear ready" and their customer support ... a few of their early guns had problems but they were taken care of promptly, and there were posts from the satisfied customers.
When I bought my SD, the ad said "After you take possession of the barreled receiver you can add your favorite trigger pack and suppressor ."
I should have known better but I didn't realize it had to be a favorite SD suppressor and kind of whined about it on several forms but I also included my fix for the problem which included removing a few of the baffles from my "favorite suppressor" and using the direct thread adapter I'd bought for my Scorpion EVO ... within a few months they started offering fake SD suppressors or the SD with the K barrel (instead of an actual SD barrel) inside the SD shroud so you could actually install your favorite 3lug suppressor or if memory serves you could get a threaded K barel.
(https://s20.postimg.org/gctrzyitp/image.jpg)

Later I realized I had a approved form 1 stamp for an 11" can in 45 caliber that I hadn't built yet ... although it has a .5" hole it works for the 9mm very well and its made its home on the SD ... originally it was for another project but while I was waiting 11 months for my approval that project got scraped, fortunately I didn't cancel the stamp. This is an older picture, currently I have a folding brace that has the shockwave blade on it.
(https://s20.postimg.org/v8sb7hwsd/image_2.jpg)

OK ... I've been rambling on enough.

YES ... SBR is worth it!
Title: Re: Is an SBR worth it?
Post by: armoredman on December 01, 2017, 01:01:07 AM
I couldn't imagine ripping off with a bunch of 308.  That sounds more like cruel and unusual punishment from doing something wrong than "fun" to me.  LOL

M-14 is a lot of rifle, but yes, it went "on high" on rock and roll. We had one guy who could keep it on target in full auto, ex Mexican professional wrestler, 5'5" in each direction.
I'd love to get a BREN pistol and SBR, but the money isn't there right now, unfortunately. Maybe someday.