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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: GypsyDanger on October 23, 2017, 08:23:26 AM
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Stumbled upon this video on YouTube. Guy says if you have a FTE that pushes down on the ejector, you'll start the process of decocker disassembly.
In turn this will force the decocking lever to rotate upwards as the slide goes home, scratch the frame, and render the firearm useless.
What do we make of this guys? I know most of us own both standard and omega pistols.
https://youtu.be/jxeofUNEi9s (https://youtu.be/jxeofUNEi9s)
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Mine's set up with the safeties and nothing bad happens with them, that I can force to happen anyway.
If he's correct, could be an issue for anyone running them with the decockers instead of safeties.
Weird stuff happens. Look at the new SIG pistol thing. Dropped who knows how many times by who knows how many people and deemed drop safe - till someone drops it "just right", or is it "just wrong?" Like I said, weird stuff happens.
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Mine's set up with the safeties and nothing bad happens with them, that I can force to happen anyway.
If he's correct, could be an issue for anyone running them with the decockers instead of safeties.
Weird stuff happens. Look at the new SIG pistol thing. Dropped who knows how many times by who knows how many people and deemed drop safe - till someone drops it "just right", or is it "just wrong?" Like I said, weird stuff happens.
I tried pushing on the ejector of my P-01 Omega as hard as I could, and I could not reproduce the malfunction. I use the decocker. It seems that maybe this guy's pistol is out of spec or something?
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Hey Gypsy,
This was my video. I made a couple of follow up videos as well, the first is a little long, second is more informative. A friend of mine has a p-01 omega as well and was able to duplicate it. Not sure if it is the latest production run, but seems to be an issue. I haven't set it up with the safety as it isn't my preferred method of carry, but don't believe it would change the result as the decocker or safety bar engages the ejector in the same way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBEkGYsubXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GKNAgmXJU4
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So wouldn't this also happen to other Omega trigger systems? I ask because this is the first I've ever heard of this happening.
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So wouldn't this also happen to other Omega trigger systems? I ask because this is the first I've ever heard of this happening.
I believe it would. I encourage everyone that has an Omega to actuate like I did in the videos and reply accordingly. I hope it is limited to a specific production run, but time will tell.
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I have a new omega p-01 a couple months old . about 250 -300 rounds. I will try to replicate this and respond
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Hey Gypsy,
This was my video. I made a couple of follow up videos as well, the first is a little long, second is more informative. A friend of mine has a p-01 omega as well and was able to duplicate it. Not sure if it is the latest production run, but seems to be an issue. I haven't set it up with the safety as it isn't my preferred method of carry, but don't believe it would change the result as the decocker or safety bar engages the ejector in the same way.
After watching your video I can confirm that my P-01 Omega (2017) does indeed have this issue.
I will be switching to my G19 for daily carry. Thank you for the eye-opener.
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I could not get it to happen with the safeties.
I partially disassembled it (removed the slide stop, removed the slide, removed the barrel, recoil spring/guide from the slide and then put the slide back on.)
I tried it with the safety OFF. I popped the ejector up/down, to the left, to the right (chewed the back end of a sharpie up pretty bad - used the sharpie so I could put some force on it and save my finger tip) and then tried pushing it downward and letting it pop upwards off the end of the sharpie several times. No (bad) luck in getting it to pop the left side safety partially out of the frame.
I tried it with the safeties moved upwards as far as they'd go with the slide not fully in position (pushed back so I could access the ejector with the end of the sharpie) and again, no amount of pushing, popping upwards, pushing right/left, etc. would cause that right side safety to pop part of the way out of the frame.
Maybe it has something to do with the effects of the extra spring the decocker requires.
All mine (P07's, P09's and the Urban Gray P01) all have the thumb safeties installed - it's a 1911 thing.
You know, when I took my P09 (the 9MM) to work on the sear, I lost the little piece of plastic on the right side safety lever and the safety lever fell out of the pistol while I was shooting it the next range trip. That was maybe 3 or 4 years ago and I don't remember if the pistol continued to fire or if it failed and that was when I noticed the right side safety was on the ground/leaves in front of me. But that is a separate issue (owner/operator headspace, not a pistol/design fault).
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Thanks for the feedback. Maybe it is new builds of the p01 Omega. Please keep the replies up!
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FWIW - I picked up a NIB P01 Omega on Saturday but haven't put rounds through it yet. I am trying to reproduce this but so far have been unsuccessful. I can get the ejector to stick in the down position and I can get the left side of the decocker to separate away from the slide a couple millimeters (snaps back when you touch it) but no luck in reproducing the out of battery condition when racking the slide. Might be ineptitude or luck - maybe both. Slightly worried about my new purchase now.
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Also, if the ejector is stuck in the down position,you may get an fte due do the shift, the next round may pop it out.
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That's a mole hill, not a mountain. The problem is the ejector on that particular P-01 is out of spec and should be replaced.
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Thanks schmeky,
Seeing how those of us with new production models of the P-01 omega are having the issue (myself, a friend of mine, gypsy, and sputch), I lends me to think that CZ may have received a bad batch of ejectors. I'm glad it isn't something more serious. I'm still waiting to hear from CZ. Thank you everybody for your input!
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That's a mole hill, not a mountain. The problem is the ejector on that particular P-01 is out of spec and should be replaced.
Seems like a very definitive statement. Did your P-01 Omega not reproduce this issue?
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Seems like a very definitive statement. Did your P-01 Omega not reproduce this issue?
I think David has some experience with the Omega system. ;)
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That's a mole hill, not a mountain. The problem is the ejector on that particular P-01 is out of spec and should be replaced.
Seems like a very definitive statement. Did your P-01 Omega not reproduce this issue?
David is the man and I trust his opinion. Have a good number of his parts running in my SP-01. That being said, I hope its just a bad batch of ejectors. Thanks everyone, if you guys/gals have new production P-01 omegas, I would love to hear if you are having the same issues.
Schmeky, do all omegas use the same ejector or is there a difference between the P-01 and the P-07/09's?
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That's a mole hill, not a mountain. The problem is the ejector on that particular P-01 is out of spec and should be replaced.
Seems like a very definitive statement. Did your P-01 Omega not reproduce this issue?
David is the man and I trust his opinion. Have a good number of his parts running in my SP-01. That being said, I hope its just a bad batch of ejectors. Thanks everyone, if you guys/gals have new production P-01 omegas, I would love to hear if you are having the same issues.
Schmeky, do all omegas use the same ejector or is there a difference between the P-01 and the P-07/09's?
If he's in this business then it seems like his opinions are GTG. Thanks for the reassurance.
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Seems like a very definitive statement. Did your P-01 Omega not reproduce this issue?
I think David has some experience with the Omega system. ;)
Ah! So he's Mr. CGW! Apologies David, didn't put two and two together. Thanks for the input and the wisdom.
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No harm, my 6th grade education simply won't allow me to count the number of mistakes I have made through the years.
As far as I know, the ejectors are the same in all Omega's.
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did the test and got the same results , the decocker popped up and out
seems suspicious that its a bad ejector, I don`t see what could be out of wack- seems we would have other issues as well.
Set up a double feed scenario and all is well , just wanted to make sure no other issues-
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did the test and got the same results , the decocker popped up and out
seems suspicious that its a bad ejector, I don`t see what could be out of wack- seems we would have other issues as well.
Set up a double feed scenario and all is well , just wanted to make sure no other issues-
Something is astray for sure. I contacted CZ and they want to take a look at it, sending it tonight. I'll keep everyone in the loop of what comes of it.
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FWIW, I attempted to swap out the decocker for the safety to see if the same thing happens, however I can't get the safety to assemble. It would become a press fit into the left side of the frame. It's heading back to CZ now, more to come.
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You know why should you have to send your gun back right away. The first thing that CZ should do
(assume CZ has a gun they can pull from their inventory or sample) and perform a test first!
Maybe they would`nt want to do this and admit that this is an issue- who knows
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You know why should you have to send your gun back right away. The first thing that CZ should do
(assume CZ has a gun they can pull from their inventory or sample) and perform a test first!
Maybe they would`nt want to do this and admit that this is an issue- who knows
I could hold off, but I'll let them use mine as the test subject. Either way I'll be verifying everything they do when it gets back. CZ makes great stuff, I'm sure they will get to the bottom of it.
Cheers
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Quick update for everyone: I sent it in to cz and they have had it for 10 days. The message from them stated it could be 4 to 6 weeks (typical time) from when they receive the firearm. When they get it back to me I'll make sure to post here what they did as well as make a YouTube follow up.
CZ customer service has been very easy to work with this far.
Cheers,
SG84
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Second time its happened to me https://imgur.com/rCCvznq
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Second time its happened to me https://imgur.com/rCCvznq
How many rounds through yours? Is it s new (2017) build?
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I stumbled upon this P-01 Omega review and the reviewer had the same issue happen to him... Food for thought. http://www.guns.com/review/gun-review-cz-75-p01-omega-semi-automatic-handgun-in-9mm/
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Second time its happened to me https://imgur.com/rCCvznq
How many rounds through yours? Is it s new (2017) build?
This happened around 1000 rounds and yes 2017.
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Well I finally found one of these things only to get home and stumble upon this issue.
I haven't been to the range yet, and I was unable to reproduce the issue manually.
Thanks for keeping us up to date. This pistol sits so nice in my hand I hope there's a good fix to sure this up.
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Hey everyone, got the P-01 back from CZ and the issue is fixed, but created another.... Yippie.
I sent it in to CZ siting the decocker issue and that I couldn't get the swappable safety to install. Both of those issues got resolved. They swapped out the decocker spring (with what I believe is a P-07 spring), which is a huge pain in the keester to put back, they swapped out the sear and adjusted the safety. They didn't do anything to the ejector. Original problem, resolved
But, the fun part now is that when I decock the gun, the hammer drops all the way to the firing pin :o See the attached video. Called CZ up and they want it back yet again.
https://youtu.be/TwJI5mc0kWg
Cheers,
SG
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Does CZ they think were all %$$ holes! come on CZ they had their rank and file fiddle with it and didn`t dig down far enough in the weeds to correct the issue the right way.- how to let it go like that is piss
poor service and tells me not to send anything to them.
I`d rather buy the various parts and do it myself.
Mine does the same thing- some people that have this model say that they can`t get it to re-create the problem, some people I think , really don`t how re-create the problem to test it correctly.
I would like to create a list of owners who have this same problem and email CZ a master complaint list and demand resolution to this issue.
Send your emails/info to me and I`ll create some type correspondence to CZ
Numbers in force!
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Easy now, CZ has been very responsive when I call them up. Something is astray with what seems to be new build p01 omegas. The guys at cz did fix the issue I was having, somehow the spring and sear cause this issue, but now there is the decocker issue.
I'll make sure to follow up with everyone when it gets back, in the mean time I urge everyone that I having this happen to contact cz and send it in.
Cheers,
SG
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Just had the same exact thing happen. I took my brand new P-01 Omega to the range for the first time yesterday. The first 20 shots were great, then every few shots the decocker would start sliding out from the frame and flip upwards.
(https://i.imgur.com/o3H31P3.jpg)
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Just had the same exact thing happen. I took my brand new P-01 Omega to the range for the first time yesterday. The first 20 shots were great, then every few shots the decocker would start sliding out from the frame and flip upwards.
(https://i.imgur.com/o3H31P3.jpg)
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Muggins,
Just to clarify, yours popped free during typical shooting and ejection, no FTE?
For anyone that knows the lockwork of the Omega's, I would be very interested in what your opinions are. Let us all know!
Cheers,
SG
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Just had the same exact thing happen. I took my brand new P-01 Omega to the range for the first time yesterday. The first 20 shots were great, then every few shots the decocker would start sliding out from the frame and flip upwards.
(https://i.imgur.com/o3H31P3.jpg)
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Muggins,
Just to clarify, yours popped free during typical shooting and ejection, no FTE?
For anyone that knows the lockwork of the Omega's, I would be very interested in what your opinions are. Let us all know!
Cheers,
SG
Yep, that is correct. This was occurring during typical shooting and ejection. At no point did I experience any FTEs, and everything else functioned normally. If the decocker hadn't started coming out, I would have been able to continue shooting without issue, as each time it happened it had successfully loaded another live round into the chamber. As it were, rotating the decocker down and pushing it back into place made the trigger active once again and I was able to fire the round loaded in the chamber.
The ammo I was using was predominantly Sellier & Bellot 124gr, with a few rounds of Federal HST 147gr, as I had high hopes of making this my CCW and wanted to make sure the rounds I typically carry functioned well. The issue happened with both (S&B twice, Federal once) before I decided to pack it up and head home since obviously there was an issue beyond ammunition.
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Has anyone ever heard of this happening with a P-07 or P-09? It seems like the only folks having a problem are running the decocker on the P-01 omega and not the thumb safety.
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Well, whether P01, P07 or P09 they are all Omega models (any CZ 75 Omega's ever done this - it's the only one we haven't mentioned).
I run safeties on all mine but the pieces that "hold" the levers/knobs/shafts in the frame are the same whether safety or decocker - right?
So what is different? The little spring the decocker mode uses that isn't required/used when the safeties are installed.
Had another thought, just lost it, maybe it'll come back in a bit.
I took mine apart again. Fiddled with it. I can see why a double feed/sort of empty plus the next round might put downwards pressure on the ejector and move it out of position to hold the left side decocker or safety in it's proper place, but the safety isn't moving leftward out of the frame when I push down on the frame and shake it hard.
Back to that spring used only for the decocker set up. If installed wrong (can it even be installed wrong??) can it provide a push to the left that causes a loosely fitted decocker lever to move when the ejector is pushed down by either a double feed/stovepipe type issue or by an ejector nose that forces the ejector to bounce downwards when striking an empty the slide carries back out of the chamber?
Oh, the "thought" popped back in my head. Would the shape of the ejector "nose" have anything to do with the problem? If the ejector is shaped such that striking the empty as the slide moves rearward would knock it downward hard enough move downward to release the left side decocker? I'm wondering about the angles of the ejector slot vs. the decocker shaft and an impact between the two jarring/pushing the decocker to the left.
No matter the cause, it's something not quite right about the design or the shape/orientation of the parts that make up the pistol = factory responsibility to track it down and correct it, but I get curious, sometimes and the "engineer" in me wakes up and wants to know.
I'm on arfcom and sure several other folks here are as well. I've not seen anything about the P07/P09 having this issue. Has anyone else?
Those on arfcom probably know that the member base is pretty darn big and many of them like to complain so I'd think if it was happening someone there would have either had it happen to them or heard about it happening and shared it with the forum.
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Not to discount what?s been reported here, but I haven?t had any of these issues w/ my P01 Omega, and I?ve been shooting quite a bit in IDPA matches..
I kept it as a decocker & didn?t change it to safety at any time.
My ejector is pretty firm, not nearly as flexible as shown in an earlier video. I?d agre w/ David from CGW, it?s probably out of spec.
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My P-01 Omega is an early 2016 model and does not have any of the problems listed in this thread. My P-01 was also given the full build by David at CGW also but I don't think that would have changed anything. Just wanted to throw out there that my early 2016 model seems to be absent of these problems so maybe it is a problem with recent runs of the P-01 Omegas?
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Thank you everybody for your input. My pistol is back at CZ for round 2, hopefully this issue will be resolved soon. I really can't thank everyone enough for taking the time to read this thread :)
M1A4ME,
The ejector is common between the safety setup and the decocker set up, the only difference other than the different levers is that the decocker spring is not installed when running safeties. The lock work is otherwise identical.
Regarding the spring, I don't think it could be installed incorrectly, put one in in the roll pin hole and the other loops under the decocker. I believe if the spring is bent up or something, it could produce a side load on the decocker.
When I got mine back from CZ (the first time), they did replace the spring with a different one that had an extra bend in it. The also replaced the sear. Whatever they did fixed the issue I was having, but now it decocks all the way down to the firing pin (hence round 2 on the warranty).
Regarding the shape of the ejector "nose", it may possibly have an impact on the decocker. I don't know what angle the ejector has with regards to the axis of the bullet being ejected, but a simple sum of the moments about the hinge point of the ejector will determine how stiff the ejector spring has to be. If the ejector spring was much stiffer in the past and it has been recently changed, it could have an impact. The spring stiffness was mentioned a couple of posts above by Tanners Owner.
Cheers,
SG
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Oh dear god *facepalm* On a positive note my suppressor ready omega does not do this.
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Not to discount what?s been reported here, but I haven?t had any of these issues w/ my P01 Omega, and I?ve been shooting quite a bit in IDPA matches..
I kept it as a decocker & didn?t change it to safety at any time.
My ejector is pretty firm, not nearly as flexible as shown in an earlier video. I?d agre w/ David from CGW, it?s probably out of spec.
Appears to be a 2017 issue my suppressor ready omega does not do this, but seriously though how can you let a gun where the de cocker causes the hammer to hit the firing block leave the factory like that?!
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Mailed my P-01 in to CZ, we'll see how they remedy the issue.
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Happy Black Friday all,
Just got my P-01 Omega back from CZ today, and alas it is finally functioning as expected. All they did was replace the sear (again). No more walking of the decocker and it doesn't decock to the firing pin ;D
When I get some time I'll post a video of the differences.
Cheers,
SG
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Happy Black Friday all,
Just got my P-01 Omega back from CZ today, and alas it is finally functioning as expected. All they did was replace the sear (again). No more walking of the decocker and it doesn't decock to the firing pin ;D
When I get some time I'll post a video of the differences.
Cheers,
SG
Excellent very happy to hear! I sent mine in about a week and a half ago and just received an email saying it was just processed. How long did it take the first time for them to send it back?
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Happy Black Friday all,
Just got my P-01 Omega back from CZ today, and alas it is finally functioning as expected. All they did was replace the sear (again). No more walking of the decocker and it doesn't decock to the firing pin ;D
When I get some time I'll post a video of the differences.
Cheers,
SG
Excellent very happy to hear! I sent mine in about a week and a half ago and just received an email saying it was just processed. How long did it take the first time for them to send it back?
It took a little over 3 weeks from when I first sent it in to get it back the first time. The second time around was 1 week from sending it to them to getting it back. Good luck!
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I have a Omega compact on order right now. I?m interested in what was wrong with the replaced sear that caused the malfunction. Thanks in advance.
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Hey everyone,
I got my pistol back last week from CZ (second time out), but something about swapping the decocker spring and sear (which doesn't even touch the decocker lever) seemed weird to me. I did a little more tinkering and believe I have a very easy solution.
The P-01 omega system is basically copied from the polymer P-07 and P-09's, with right side decocker lever being metal rather than polymer. It's just a theory, but I believe that the engagement between the left and right side decocker is a little more gritty (due to the polymer) on the P-07/09's than it is with the metal on metal engagement of the P-01 Omega. Couple that with a very slight sidewards load from the decocker spring and you'll get the phenomenon I experienced.
I fixed the gun simply by dimpling the left side decocker lever end (where it engages the right side). This created a very subtle "press" fit, which solved the issue. Below is the how to:
https://youtu.be/uKBq6tjSOiQ
Cheers,
SG
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Pretty frickin cool and awesome is what I have to say! I like how you dig down in the weeds to solve issues- don`t quit till it`s right, we have a brain at work. This is what this forum is about- helping each other without reservation.
so are u using the oem decocker spring now or that replacement spring they gave u the first time?
I had a feeling is was not the out of spec ejector the "pro`s said it was"
i didn't have too much faith in that theory.
do u think using a dremmel with a fine bit would work? i assume that u are basically staking the
decocker
Let us know- thank again for your hard work
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Thank you for posting that and the great video!
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Pretty frickin cool and awesome is what I have to say! I like how you dig down in the weeds to solve issues- don`t quit till it`s right, we have a brain at work. This is what this forum is about- helping each other without reservation.
so are u using the oem decocker spring now or that replacement spring they gave u the first time?
I had a feeling is was not the out of spec ejector the "pro`s said it was"
i didn't have too much faith in that theory.
do u think using a dremmel with a fine bit would work? i assume that u are basically staking the
decocker
Let us know- thank again for your hard work
Kinda like staking but doing it from the inside.
DO NOT USE A DREMMEL, you want to displace the metal on the decocker, not remove it. If you don't have a drift punch or a center punch, use a nail and hammer.... Displace/dent the part, do not remove material.
I am using the new decocker spring, but shouldn't matter in my opinion.
Cheers,
SG
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Pretty frickin cool and awesome is what I have to say! I like how you dig down in the weeds to solve issues- don`t quit till it`s right, we have a brain at work. This is what this forum is about- helping each other without reservation.
so are u using the oem decocker spring now or that replacement spring they gave u the first time?
I had a feeling is was not the out of spec ejector the "pro`s said it was"
i didn't have too much faith in that theory.
do u think using a dremmel with a fine bit would work? i assume that u are basically staking the
decocker
Let us know- thank again for your hard work
Kinda like staking but doing it from the inside.
DO NOT USE A DREMMEL, you want to displace the metal on the decocker, not remove it. If you don't have a drift punch or a center punch, use a nail and hammer.... Displace/dent the part, do not remove material.
I am using the new decocker spring, but shouldn't matter in my opinion.
Cheers,
SG
Excellent work sir! CZ just emailed me this morning saying they are replacing my omega, however I may need to do this as well.
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Great work Supergunner84 you're one smart guy.....
Wonder if you let CZ into what you have done what they would think, you may save them from a lot of headaches.
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Great work Supergunner84 you're one smart guy.....
Wonder if you let CZ into what you have done what they would think, you may save them from a lot of headaches.
Thank you.
I have sent several emails with the videos to them and haven't heard anything. Hope it will help them out.
Cheers,
SG
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Ok, one thing to be careful when doing the staking/displacing the metal with a punch- I tried it out on the safety, an old one that didn`t work as a test run just for press fit function- be careful not to make too big of a dimple in the flat sides of the decocker as it will go in ok, possibly tight, but when removing the pieces when installed in the frame, may be a bitch to get out when taking down the gun.
like i said, I tried it with a safety out of the frame, just pushing in and taking out and could see a possible problem as it was very hard to pull out the 2 pieces after I made those dimples. I guess start out with a small whack first to see the resistance it makes, then proceed with a harder hit with a hammer if need be.
Maybe supergunner would like to chime in regarding this.
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Ok, one thing to be careful when doing the staking/displacing the metal with a punch- I tried it out on the safety, an old one that didn`t work as a test run just for press fit function- be careful not to make too big of a dimple in the flat sides of the decocker as it will go in ok, possibly tight, but when removing the pieces when installed in the frame, may be a bitch to get out when taking down the gun.
like i said, I tried it with a safety out of the frame, just pushing in and taking out and could see a possible problem as it was very hard to pull out the 2 pieces after I made those dimples. I guess start out with a small whack first to see the resistance it makes, then proceed with a harder hit with a hammer if need be.
Maybe supergunner would like to chime in regarding this.
Absolutely test fit the parts outside of the frame. All you want is a little resistance, basically if I can't "pop" the parts free with minimal effort, the dimples are too large. Also make sure that the dimples are not on the very end of the lever, all you want is the right side lever to just engage the dimples. This will make it easier to take down as well.
As for how hard to "whack" it... start soft. I used a spring loaded center punch ($10 bucks at lowes) and it did the trick.
Another thought is to use a little sharper drift punch, this will give a very localized displacement and may be easier to control.
Cheers,
SG
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Last night after I posted at about 1AM, I did the fix on my decocker. I should have taken my own advice after practicing on the old safety. Also, should have waited till the next morning when I fresh.
made 2 dimples , 1 on top, the other on the back, seemed good and i should have stopped, but put another in the front, test fit and over did it, hitting it to hard, probably should of also used a smaller lighter hammer. After pulling in and out many times, it loosened up and installed, should be ok when I have to takedown the gun in the future.
Bottom line- when slide back, function test downward pressure on ejector, no popping out or walking of the decocker ISSUE FIXED FEEL CONFIDENT TO CARRY!
One thing to mention, when the slide wasn`t on and pressed down on the ejector it moved
slightly out on the left side (slide release side) but then seem to work in after working the ejector and decocker several times
just checked right now with the slide off pressing down on the ejector several time, and no movement of the decocker- maybe it wasn`t in all the way or worked itself in?
seems good to go, any comments supergunner- Thanks for the work!
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Last night after I posted at about 1AM, I did the fix on my decocker. I should have taken my own advice after practicing on the old safety. Also, should have waited till the next morning when I fresh.
made 2 dimples , 1 on top, the other on the back, seemed good and i should have stopped, but put another in the front, test fit and over did it, hitting it to hard, probably should of also used a smaller lighter hammer. After pulling in and out many times, it loosened up and installed, should be ok when I have to takedown the gun in the future.
Bottom line- when slide back, function test downward pressure on ejector, no popping out or walking of the decocker ISSUE FIXED FEEL CONFIDENT TO CARRY!
One thing to mention, when the slide wasn`t on and pressed down on the ejector it moved
slightly out on the left side (slide release side) but then seem to work in after working the ejector and decocker several times
just checked right now with the slide off pressing down on the ejector several time, and no movement of the decocker- maybe it wasn`t in all the way or worked itself in?
seems good to go, any comments supergunner- Thanks for the work!
Glad it worked out well for you. The slot where the ejector sits inside the decocker is pretty tight toleranced, if you didn't have the decocker lever all the way engaged with the right side (I'm talking .005-.010"), the ejector may not have been in the fully engaged position and may have been hanging up on the side walls of the decocker/ejector slot. Pressing down would relieve any hang up, giving you the perceived movement.
From what I can tell, if you press the left hand side all the way in to the frame, it will engage properly.
Again, this really shouldn't be a press fit, just a little interference.
Cheers,
SG
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Thanks Supergunner for all the info. It looks like there should be a redesign by CZ. I?m sure the fix could be relatively simple. Maybe something similar like the HK USP dual safety that uses a small roll pin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCycFfgveCA
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Thanks Supergunner for all the info. It looks like there should be a redesign by CZ. I?m sure the fix could be relatively simple. Maybe something similar like the HK USP dual safety that uses a small roll pin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCycFfgveCA
Or a roll pin that the hi power uses on the mk III variant (real PITA to get out, fyi :)) I don't think CZ wants to add anything in that will require tools. All of their fliers and whatnot tout that "no tools needed" to swap/disassemble.
We will see what comes of it.
Cheers,
SG
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Heres my replacement...... >:( :( :-\
(http://i.imgur.com/LzPBLy1l.jpg) (https://imgur.com/LzPBLy1)
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I was thinking about buying a suppressor ready P-01 Omega tonight or tomorrow but now I?m officially scared off. Bummer.
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I was thinking about buying a suppressor ready P-01 Omega tonight or tomorrow but now I?m officially scared off. Bummer.
Im so frustrated I just cant believe this.
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I was thinking about buying a suppressor ready P-01 Omega tonight or tomorrow but now I?m officially scared off. Bummer.
Im so frustrated I just cant believe this.
About my post?
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I was thinking about buying a suppressor ready P-01 Omega tonight or tomorrow but now I?m officially scared off. Bummer.
Im so frustrated I just cant believe this.
About my post?
No about my gun!!!
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I was thinking about buying a suppressor ready P-01 Omega tonight or tomorrow but now I?m officially scared off. Bummer.
Im so frustrated I just cant believe this.
About my post?
No about my gun!!!
Yah totally. What year is yours? I?m wondering if this issue can be designated towards a certain timeframe.
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I was thinking about buying a suppressor ready P-01 Omega tonight or tomorrow but now I?m officially scared off. Bummer.
Im so frustrated I just cant believe this.
2017 Model
About my post?
No about my gun!!!
Yah totally. What year is yours? I?m wondering if this issue can be designated towards a certain timeframe.
2017
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Dang... that?s the year I was gonna buy
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Call them up again and point them to this thread. Sorry man.
Cheers,
SG
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Call them up again and point them to this thread. Sorry man.
Cheers,
SG
Called them and they said fill out the warranty form again, he ignored me when I mentioned about this thread.
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Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.
Good luck,
SG
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Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.
Good luck,
SG
They wont admit that though. A Sig or Glock maybe in my near future. I myself should not have to modify the gun to make it function properly.
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Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.
Good luck,
SG
They wont admit that though. A Sig or Glock maybe in my near future. I myself should not have to modify the gun to make it function properly.
It sucks, I completely agree. If you have the money, a Sig P229 with the srt installed is one of my favorites. You could stick with cz and get the standard p01, that system is proven reliable.
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Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.
Good luck,
SG
They wont admit that though. A Sig or Glock maybe in my near future. I myself should not have to modify the gun to make it function properly.
It sucks, I completely agree. If you have the money, a Sig P229 with the srt installed is one of my favorites. You could stick with cz and get the standard p01, that system is proven reliable.
I would have to get the omega trigger and the omega style hammer installed. I really like the omega I drove over an hour to get it. Its just so disappointing.
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Maybe 3rd time will be the charm, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The right and left side need to be a slight interference fit.
Good luck,
SG
They wont admit that though. A Sig or Glock maybe in my near future. I myself should not have to modify the gun to make it function properly.
I agree a redesign and recall will have to happen on this issue. You should not have to modify this. This could potentially cost someone?s life. I have an Omega on order from Hyatt guns from NC since the last week in August. I?m now concerned about this weapon that I don?t even have yet.
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I keep seeing new posts in this thread and I keep thinking about the problems.
The Omega system isn't new. No one has reported this issue on the P07's, P09's, CZ 75s with the Omega system. So, what is different about the P01's having problems and the other pistols?
The idea/design is for the ejector, held in the upwards position by a spring, to fit into a groove in the left side safety/decocker and hold it in place.
If that's not happening then the ejector isn't doing what the design meant it to do. Why?
Is the groove in the decocker to thin to all a properly made ejector to rise to the correct height?
Is the ejector too wide to fit into a properly grooved left side decocker?
Or is the spring that pushes the decocker upwards not doing it's job?
Something, in these P01's exhibiting the problem, isn't made right or fitting together right. The dimpling/peening of the left side safety shaft helps, but shouldn't be a permanent fix. One of the parts isn't made quite right, or isn't fitting together per the design.
Then again, what do I know, other than it's not a common problem on the Omega system pistols so it doesn't sound like a design problem.
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I keep seeing new posts in this thread and I keep thinking about the problems.
The Omega system isn't new. No one has reported this issue on the P07's, P09's, CZ 75s with the Omega system. So, what is different about the P01's having problems and the other pistols?
The idea/design is for the ejector, held in the upwards position by a spring, to fit into a groove in the left side safety/decocker and hold it in place.
If that's not happening then the ejector isn't doing what the design meant it to do. Why?
Is the groove in the decocker to thin to all a properly made ejector to rise to the correct height?
Is the ejector too wide to fit into a properly grooved left side decocker?
Or is the spring that pushes the decocker upwards not doing it's job?
Something, in these P01's exhibiting the problem, isn't made right or fitting together right. The dimpling/peening of the left side safety shaft helps, but shouldn't be a permanent fix. One of the parts isn't made quite right, or isn't fitting together per the design.
Then again, what do I know, other than it's not a common problem on the Omega system pistols so it doesn't sound like a design problem.
Agreed.
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I don't have a P07 or 09, but if anyone does, can you tell me if the engagement if the decocker/safety is a slip fit or if the is a little tension?
Mine was a slip fit, no tension at all. Seeing how the other omegas have polymer, it may be the difference.
CZ has yet to respond to any of my questions, only "send it in and we'll take a look"
Cheers,
SG
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Mine was a slip fit, no tension at all.
Just put a dab of Loctite 641 retaining compound on there. O0
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Mine was a slip fit, no tension at all.
Just put a dab of Loctite 641 retaining compound on there. O0
I did the dimples, same end result but should never have been needed.
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Just got the e-mail that the repairs on my P-01 have been complete.
Work Performed: REPLACED TRIGGER BAR, ROLLER, DECOCKER SPRING, TRIGGER RETURN SPRING.
ADJUSTED ROLLER.
TEST FIRE GOOD.
We'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll definitely go the dimple route.
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Just got the e-mail that the repairs on my P-01 have been complete.
Work Performed: REPLACED TRIGGER BAR, ROLLER, DECOCKER SPRING, TRIGGER RETURN SPRING.
ADJUSTED ROLLER.
TEST FIRE GOOD.
We'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll definitely go the dimple route.
I think that's what most of us "CZ lovers" would do. We like our pistols well enough to just fix them if it's necessary. Some folks would just complain (here and other forums) and sell/trade it off and buy something else probably more expensive and less accurate.
Good luck with it.
I know (at least on my P09) there isn't enough friction between the left side safety shaft and the right side safety to hold the left side in. I had my 9MM P09 apart, lost a small part (can't picture it in my mind at the moment - about 3 or 4 years ago now) and the next time I went shooting the left side safety fell out of the frame. I found the safety, put it and the pistol in the bag and ordered the part(s) when I got home, put them in when I got home and have had no further issues (not a CZ issue - an operator headspace issue.)
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Just got the e-mail that the repairs on my P-01 have been complete.
Work Performed: REPLACED TRIGGER BAR, ROLLER, DECOCKER SPRING, TRIGGER RETURN SPRING.
ADJUSTED ROLLER.
TEST FIRE GOOD.
We'll see if that fixes it. If not I'll definitely go the dimple route.
I think that's what most of us "CZ lovers" would do. We like our pistols well enough to just fix them if it's necessary. Some folks would just complain (here and other forums) and sell/trade it off and buy something else probably more expensive and less accurate.
Good luck with it.
I know (at least on my P09) there isn't enough friction between the left side safety shaft and the right side safety to hold the left side in. I had my 9MM P09 apart, lost a small part (can't picture it in my mind at the moment - about 3 or 4 years ago now) and the next time I went shooting the left side safety fell out of the frame. I found the safety, put it and the pistol in the bag and ordered the part(s) when I got home, put them in when I got home and have had no further issues (not a CZ issue - an operator headspace issue.)
With several people having the same issue, and cz sending a replacement to another that has the same issue, I have a hard time believing that this isn't a design problem. One or 2 one offs, ok, but 8 or however many on this thread that have the issue signals more of a widespread problem.
Thanks for your input in the forum, always good to get everyone's point of view
Cheers,
SG
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I spoke with Luke from the warranty department on Friday. He was by far the nicest gentlemen I spoke with at CZ so far. He actually brought up my case file and answered questions. Apparently it is a spring issue that is causing these problems. It matched up to what supergunner mentioned in his videos about uneven pressure being applied to the roller bar of the decocker which can cause it to go out and upwards. So huge kuddos to SG!! They said they would bump my gun to the front of the line since it was the second time in so we will see when I get it back.
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Glad to hear they've seen enough of them to figure it out. A spring issue.
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Seems that way, my only contention with that is if you run safties rather than decockers, it'll fall apart (no spring).
Is what it is, still a good gun.
Cheers,
SG
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Glad to hear they've seen enough of them to figure it out. A spring issue.
I didn't have much time to talk with him since I was at work he said each case is different with each gun and why they replaced mine was because it was not able to be fixed, however it ran fine otherwise unless they scraped it because they didn't realize what was the true issue. I did not ask him about a possible recall since this is happening to a decent amount of guns that we know of. SG mentioned bad parts? Maybe they do have a bad batch of springs or ones with the incorrect amount of pressure or it truly is a design flaw. I will wait for the email stating what they fixed and contact them with further questions and to share that with you guys. He said he would have two people check my gun this time to make sure it was working properly, still doesnt sit well with me that they did not check SG's gun or mine before sending it back the first time. :-\
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Has anyone had this issue with a 2016 production P01 Omega? I tried to replicate the problem with mine but wasn't able to.
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My Urban Gray model is a 2016 pistol. No issues with the safeties. I took the decocker levers off when I pulled it out of the box here at the house.
The same ejector holds the left side safety in. I've never taken it apart (completely) so I can't say much about the springs that are common to the gun no matter whether it's running safeties or decockers.
I have fitted a couple of the ambidextrous safeties to CZ pistols and the left side shaft usually takes some stoning to get it "just right" to fit into the right side safety. I suppose there is a certain amount of friction "holding" the two sides together unless you stone the shaft so much it's a sloppy fit in the right side safety. The factory guys probably do a better job of fitting them that a kitchen table gun mechanic like me.
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My Urban Gray model is a 2016 pistol. No issues with the safeties. I took the decocker levers off when I pulled it out of the box here at the house.
The same ejector holds the left side safety in. I've never taken it apart (completely) so I can't say much about the springs that are common to the gun no matter whether it's running safeties or decockers.
I have fitted a couple of the ambidextrous safeties to CZ pistols and the left side shaft usually takes some stoning to get it "just right" to fit into the right side safety. I suppose there is a certain amount of friction "holding" the two sides together unless you stone the shaft so much it's a sloppy fit in the right side safety. The factory guys probably do a better job of fitting them that a kitchen table gun mechanic like me.
Good to know. My 2017 made P-01 Omega is definitely a slip fit, no friction holding anything. I dimpled mine to ensure they wouldn't come free. Looks like something changed in house at CZ or their piece part manufacturer.
Cheers,
SG
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Just tried it on my 17 that the shop just got in stock and didn't walk. Shooting Saturday at my range so I'll try after 50 rounds in. I've been looking forever for one of these guys locally too.
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Took my P-01 to the range today after getting it back from CZ's warranty service on Monday.
3 shots. That's all it took before the decocker started its separation.
I'm struggling to find the words to express just how thoroughly impressed I am with CZ's QA/QC.
I'll strip it down this evening and go the dimpling route.
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Took my P-01 to the range today after getting it back from CZ's warranty service on Monday.
3 shots. That's all it took before the decocker started its separation.
I'm struggling to find the words to express just how thoroughly impressed I am with CZ's QA/QC.
I'll strip it down this evening and go the dimpling route.
I thought this was a problem only when a round got stuck on top of the ejector. If you do plan to fix it yourself you might try using some loctite retaining compound, or medium strength thread locker, seems like it would still allow you remove the decocker while also holding it together. I have not done this or seen what the fit is like on the decocker or safety levers, but it might be another option instead of doing the dimple method.
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Took my P-01 to the range today after getting it back from CZ's warranty service on Monday.
3 shots. That's all it took before the decocker started its separation.
I'm struggling to find the words to express just how thoroughly impressed I am with CZ's QA/QC.
I'll strip it down this evening and go the dimpling route.
I thought this was a problem only when a round got stuck on top of the ejector. If you do plan to fix it yourself you might try using some loctite retaining compound, or medium strength thread locker, seems like it would still allow you remove the decocker while also holding it together. I have not done this or seen what the fit is like on the decocker or safety levers, but it might be another option instead of doing the dimple method.
Nope, in this case it is happening just successfully firing/cycling, no FTF or any other issues. Normal fire and it starts walking out.
I do have some blue loctite that I could try out on it. I was afraid of the loctite being too much of a semi-permanent solution. But, I don't intend to swap out the safety any time soon.
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I've been following this thread for a couple weeks since I purchased a P 01 Omega last month. I pointed out this problem to my LGS and had them send it back to CZ. Just picked it up yesterday after being sent back to CZ and was able to pop the decocker out with my OWN fingers. Nothing changed, no fixes were made, still have the same problem. How can you trust the Omega trigger system after this issue? I guess the only thing to do with my paperweight is send it to CGW for a whole new trigger job. After all the CZ hype I've read about in the past year, this P 01 omega has been the second defective pistol that I've purchased from CZ in the past 6 months. Have any of you guys seen the video Omaha Outdoors put out on the P 10c? That gun failed his "shoot ability" review. Makes you wonder what's been going on at the CZ factory lately. I think that I will stick to HK's and Glocks in the future.
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You had it sent back without shooting it?
You pushed on the shaft and it popped out?
Sorry you think you had problems. I've only had to use CZ USA for warranty repairs one time and they were prompt and good and solved my issues and had it back to me in just over a week.
Will I buy more CZ's? Hell yes. I've bought nothing but CZ's in the last few years after working my way through the Glock, XDM and M&P pistols. Thirteen or fourteen in the last 4 or 5 years. New and used. Front night sight "died" on my P01 Urban Gray, my only need of warranty work in all those pistols.
Every company makes some bad pieces, sooner or later.
I used hear people complain about the wiring issues in the TPI Z28's years ago. My old 86 IROC got 186,000 miles on it and was 24 years old before the computer croaked in it. My first engine harness/wiring issue. I guess I just get lucky most of the time.
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Well CZ has been closed since December 19th and wont open till Jan 2nd. Ive been without my P01 since November the 13th, to be continued...... :(
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Sorry to hear that. Not being able to hold/shoot a new one is always painful/aggravating.
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Sorry to hear that. Not being able to hold/shoot a new one is always painful/aggravating.
I just hope its fixed correctly, I really do like it.
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https://youtu.be/BgMNczC02pE
Stumbled on this: Fails during standard shooting. CZ needs to address this.
Cheers,
SG
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Sorry to hear that. Not being able to hold/shoot a new one is always painful/aggravating.
I just hope its fixed correctly, I really do like it.
Have you heard back from CZ yet, just curious what they replaced, if anything.
Cheers,
SG
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I would be curious to see some measurements on the ejectors and the ejector retaining springs from these P01 Omeges and from a PO7/9.
I would also be interested to see if you replaced the ejector and the ejector spring if the problem goes away.
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Stumbled on this: Fails during standard shooting. CZ needs to address this.
Yeah, that's not good.
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Wow! This is happening with just 2017's so far?
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This thread has over 5000 views and the videos I've made are around the same. With all of the attention and now video proof it will fail during normal operation, it frustrates me beyond that there is absolutely no comment from CZ.
Pissedoffingly,
SG
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Wow! This is happening with just 2017's so far?
Only 2017 models so far.
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This thread has over 5000 views and the videos I've made are around the same. With all of the attention and now video proof it will fail during normal operation, it frustrates me beyond that there is absolutely no comment from CZ.
Pissedoffingly,
SG
I doubt that anyone from CZ will comment in this thread about what the issue might be and how they will go about fixing it other than to tell you to send it in.
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This thread has over 5000 views and the videos I've made are around the same. With all of the attention and now video proof it will fail during normal operation, it frustrates me beyond that there is absolutely no comment from CZ.
Pissedoffingly,
SG
I doubt that anyone from CZ will comment in this thread about what the issue might be and how they will go about fixing it other than to tell you to send it in.
I know, just irks me. Especially since I sent mine in 2 times and they still never addressed the issue fully.
Cheers,
SG
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How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range? Not too many I suspect. If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix. It's simple. My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it. It can't fall off anymore.
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How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range? Not too many I suspect. If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix. It's simple. My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it. It can't fall off anymore.
Yes, there is an easy fix. The issue is that the owners should never have to modify the gun to make it function.
SG
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Yes, there is an easy fix. The issue is that the owners should never have to modify the gun to make it function.
SG
I would think David might have more insight about this than the gunsmiths at CZ USA. Maybe he'll chime in again. 8)
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Yes, there is an easy fix. The issue is that the owners should never have to modify the gun to make it function.
SG
I would think David might have more insight about this than the gunsmiths at CZ USA. Maybe he'll chime in again. 8)
Hope so, he has a wealth of knowledge.
As shown before, I fixed mine by dimpling, but others may not be so inclined to do the modification. CZs are awesome, but this one has a design issue that the manufacturer has yet to fully address.
I fully intended to use this as my carry gun, but in all honesty it is nothing more than a range piece due to my extreme lack of confidence in the Omega design.
For every one owner that reports this on the forums, there are another 100 that haven't experienced it or assume it is their fault. To me that is scary as this issue can turn a functioning firearm into a paper weight in 3 shots.
Ok rant over, but seriously CZ, step up and take ownership.
SG
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Just sent my pistol in this morning (The one in the video that was just posted). I will follow up with what happens and if the pistol is actually fixed. I did let them know that others have sent theirs in and have been returned with the same thing happening again so hopefully they take it seriously and don't just shoot a couple rounds then call it good. The first time it happened it was on the 14th round fired so it took a bit for it to work its way out. Im thinking the problem lies with the ejector being able to be pushed down too easy whether its by recoil or by fired brass slamming into it . Maybe they will put a stiffer spring in . If it happens again then I was thinking of ordering a firing pin block spring and replacing the ejector push down spring with that.
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and just looking now it seems the ejector spring and fpb spring are the same part ...
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0450000003_Safety-Detent-Plungerejector-Spring-Omega
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and just looking now it seems the ejector spring and fpb spring are the same part ...
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0450000003_Safety-Detent-Plungerejector-Spring-Omega
How do you figure? The safety detent and ejector are the same location. No mention of the fbp spring, which is probably much lighter.
Cheers,
SG
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As in same part number they use the same spring for two purposes .. at least for the omega in the p07 which is the same system I believe
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I don?t know what the little extended metal piece that retains the arm of the spring, but if it was extend further and had a notch underneath it to help keep the spring arm in place would that help keep the spring arm from coming dislocated?
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I don?t know what the little extended metal piece that retains the arm of the spring, but if it was extend further and had a notch underneath it to help keep the spring arm in place would that help keep the spring arm from coming dislocated?
That is part of the decocker lever. When the lever walks out, the spring never becomes disengaged from that lever. If it did, your idea would work.
The standard 75 has the spring as well as a detent plunger to hold the lever in. The engineers at CZ removed the detent plunger in favor of only using the ejector.
The only way I see a fix is by creating interference with the right hand side lever, or making the ejector rigid, either py pinning in place or with a spring with a much larger spring rate.
Cheers,
SG
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Notching the underside of the decocker lever where the decocker spring touches sounds like a workable idea . I was thinking of putting a heavier spring under the ejector to make it harder to push down
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In my opinion, the problem needs to be addressed with where the problem starts . The ejector and ejector spring! the ejector should not be moving downward while the gun is being fired no matter what the circumstances. That way the fix will solve both issues with the safety or the decocker being able to fall or walk out. I know the ejector has a spring that keeps upwards pressure on it which is holding either the safety or decocker there and I know that it is used to make it easier for the user to switch between the two. In my mind it either needs a stiffer harder to push down ejector spring or a removable pin that doesn't allow the ejector to move downwards at all.
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I keep reading on this thread but it's getting pretty long now and hard for me to keep track of.
Mine is both older and an Urban Gray model and I use the safeties.
Is it still a true statement that only the pistols made in 2017 using the decocking levers are having this issue?
If that is true, I have a question. Doesn't the pistol use the same ejector and spring whether it's running the decocking levers or the safeties?
More questions - has anyone measure the widths of the slots in the decocking levers and the safeties to see if there is a difference. If both (safety and decocker) are allowing the ejector to move fully up into the slot, then what is different between the use of the decocker or the safety?
I'm not having the issue (with the safeties) but I'm still really curious about the true cause of this problem. Heck, some day I may pick up a 2017 P01 at a gun show (same reason I read about 1911 issues although mine are perfectly reliable - some day, who knows).
I keep coming back to there being something wrong with the fit between the decocking lever (left side) and the ejector as being the problem. Some out of spec. parts. Or, in spec. but each of the two parts (decocking lever and ejector so close to the edge of the spec. that if two "barely in spec" parts end up in the same pistol you have a problem.
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I keep reading on this thread but it's getting pretty long now and hard for me to keep track of.
Mine is both older and an Urban Gray model and I use the safeties.
Is it still a true statement that only the pistols made in 2017 using the decocking levers are having this issue?
If that is true, I have a question. Doesn't the pistol use the same ejector and spring whether it's running the decocking levers or the safeties?
More questions - has anyone measure the widths of the slots in the decocking levers and the safeties to see if there is a difference. If both (safety and decocker) are allowing the ejector to move fully up into the slot, then what is different between the use of the decocker or the safety?
I'm not having the issue (with the safeties) but I'm still really curious about the true cause of this problem. Heck, some day I may pick up a 2017 P01 at a gun show (same reason I read about 1911 issues although mine are perfectly reliable - some day, who knows).
I keep coming back to there being something wrong with the fit between the decocking lever (left side) and the ejector as being the problem. Some out of spec. parts. Or, in spec. but each of the two parts (decocking lever and ejector so close to the edge of the spec. that if two "barely in spec" parts end up in the same pistol you have a problem.
M1A4ME,
So far in this thread, only people with 2017 production have experienced the issue.
The ejector spring is the same, the only items that get swapped when running safties is the decocker spring, the lever and the right side lever. I do not know if the springs in earlier models were stiffer, if so, that could play a part.
The ejector slot on the levers for the safties and decocker on mine allow for the ejector to fully seat. The widths are the same.
In my opinion, it is the fitment between the left hand side lever and the right hand side lever. Coupled with the decocker spring putting a side load on the left hand side lever, all that has to happen is something pressing on the ejector downwards and the game is up.
I would suspect that those that has the lever walk out during normal operation (no FTE) have something that is holding the ejector down. There may be a burr on either the ejector or lever that is preventing full engagement.
CZ really needs to investigate this and give a solution.
Cheers,
SG
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SG, thanks for the update/info.
It just hit me, reading your post that another issue could be a slight change in the location of the cut in the left side lever. If that were part of the issue then it would act like an incorrect width of the ejector or the cut in the shaft as the ejector could not fully move into place in the cut on the decocker shaft.
Yeah, I agree, CZ needs to stop hiding behind the desk, sit up straight and do the right thing, whether it's a recall to study the problem and fix it, or just replace all the defective pistols with correctly made pistols.
I mean, if it's only the 2017 made pistols then something changed at CZ and they really should be able to figure out what it is and fix it.
It would sure upset me if mine were failing. It's one of the things I brag about with my CZ's - reliability (and accuracy). One, without the other, isn't why I buy/carry/shoot CZ pistols.
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I keep reading on this thread but it's getting pretty long now and hard for me to keep track of.
Mine is both older and an Urban Gray model and I use the safeties.
Is it still a true statement that only the pistols made in 2017 using the decocking levers are having this issue?
If that is true, I have a question. Doesn't the pistol use the same ejector and spring whether it's running the decocking levers or the safeties?
More questions - has anyone measure the widths of the slots in the decocking levers and the safeties to see if there is a difference. If both (safety and decocker) are allowing the ejector to move fully up into the slot, then what is different between the use of the decocker or the safety?
I'm not having the issue (with the safeties) but I'm still really curious about the true cause of this problem. Heck, some day I may pick up a 2017 P01 at a gun show (same reason I read about 1911 issues although mine are perfectly reliable - some day, who knows).
I keep coming back to there being something wrong with the fit between the decocking lever (left side) and the ejector as being the problem. Some out of spec. parts. Or, in spec. but each of the two parts (decocking lever and ejector so close to the edge of the spec. that if two "barely in spec" parts end up in the same pistol you have a problem.
M1A4ME,
So far in this thread, only people with 2017 production have experienced the issue.
The ejector spring is the same, the only items that get swapped when running safties is the decocker spring, the lever and the right side lever. I do not know if the springs in earlier models were stiffer, if so, that could play a part.
The ejector slot on the levers for the safties and decocker on mine allow for the ejector to fully seat. The widths are the same.
In my opinion, it is the fitment between the left hand side lever and the right hand side lever. Coupled with the decocker spring putting a side load on the left hand side lever, all that has to happen is something pressing on the ejector downwards and the game is up.
I would suspect that those that has the lever walk out during normal operation (no FTE) have something that is holding the ejector down. There may be a burr on either the ejector or lever that is preventing full engagement.
CZ really needs to investigate this and give a solution.
Cheers,
SG
If I hadn't of sent my gun in I could measure how deep the notch was where the ejector pushes into the decocke. That could very well be the problem. considering mine was happening during regular fire and not during malfunctions it would change the angle at which the brass hits it as well.
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Hey SG 84, I was finally able to take my P-01 Omega, (bought Nov.2017, sent back to CZ and recieved back in early Dec 2017) to the range twice in the pass 2 weeks and put over 300 rounds without any decoking lever issues. I thought they had NOT fixed it, but turns out I can't make it come out like I was able to before I sent it to CZ. However now while shooting I've experienced a loaded chamber followed by a "dry fire" and then I have to pull back the hammer and pull the trigger again which made it fire after the 2nd trigger pull. This has happened at least 5 times out of 200+ rounds fired last week. I ejected the round everytime and there was a stricker mark on the primer. Each round fired while struck a second time. It only occured during my first shot out of 100 rounds yesterday. I'm going to continue placing more rounds down range and see if the problem can work itself out. I also wanted to use this gun for my CCW, but so far I have ZERO confidence with the current Omega system.
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Hey SG 84, I was finally able to take my P-01 Omega, (bought Nov.2017, sent back to CZ and recieved back in early Dec 2017) to the range twice in the pass 2 weeks and put over 300 rounds without any decoking lever issues. I thought they had NOT fixed it, but turns out I can't make it come out like I was able to before I sent it to CZ. However now while shooting I've experienced a loaded chamber followed by a "dry fire" and then I have to pull back the hammer and pull the trigger again which made it fire after the 2nd trigger pull. This has happened at least 5 times out of 200+ rounds fired last week. I ejected the round everytime and there was a stricker mark on the primer. Each round fired while struck a second time. It only occured during my first shot out of 100 rounds yesterday. I'm going to continue placing more rounds down range and see if the problem can work itself out. I also wanted to use this gun for my CCW, but so far I have ZERO confidence with the current Omega system.
Glad CZ got your firearm working correctly, I would be interested to see if you swapped out the decocker for the safety configuration if it would fall apart like mine:
Reference: https://youtu.be/dXL2PsazGWg
Regarding the FTF, that's no fun. What type of ammo are you using? I haven't heard of CZ's being particularly picky regarding ammo, but you may have a box of some really hard primers. Is the ammo feed in other firearms you own?
If you feel up to it, you may want to take out the firing pin and make sure there isn't any odd wear marks on it where it could be catching of the firing pin block.
Lastly, there is a roller on the firing pin block lifter assembly that may be forcing the trigger bar to not allow the block to fully lift. If you keep having issues, send it back to CZ again.
Cheers,
SG
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Sorry to hear that. Not being able to hold/shoot a new one is always painful/aggravating.
I just hope its fixed correctly, I really do like it.
Have you heard back from CZ yet, just curious what they replaced, if anything.
Cheers,
SG
Jan 5th I emailed them and they said my gun is first in line and I still dont have my gun back yet.....its been two months im really starting to lose my patience.
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How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range? Not too many I suspect. If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix. It's simple. My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it. It can't fall off anymore.
I have, not ideal to have happen in a life and death situation. I should not have to alter my gun to prevent it from having a mechanical failure.
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How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range? Not too many I suspect. If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix. It's simple. My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it. It can't fall off anymore.
I have, not ideal to have happen in a life and death situation. I should not have to alter my gun to prevent it from having a mechanical failure.
Completely agree. I have several others for carry and this is now just a dedicated range item. Have you talked with them to get a refund due to defective hardware?
SG
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How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range? Not too many I suspect. If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix. It's simple. My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it. It can't fall off anymore.
I have, not ideal to have happen in a life and death situation. I should not have to alter my gun to prevent it from having a mechanical failure.
Completely agree. I have several others for carry and this is now just a dedicated range item. Have you talked with them to get a refund due to defective hardware?
SG
No I haven't I plan to do that this week.
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Just got off the phone with them, they had my gun the second time for 37 days. Two gun smiths checked it this time and it should be working correctly, it is a design flaw and the warranty guy told me its out of his hands if CZ wants to do a recall or not. I should have my gun back in the next few days. So we will see if its truly fixed.
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"Description: 2nd time in
Work Performed: Replaced Decocker spring. Installed Customers CZ sights at customers request, waived fee for installing sights due to gun coming back numerous times. Test fire good with 60 rounds, no malfunctions or issues with decocker.
Once your firearm has shipped, you will receive an additional email with tracking information from FedEx within 24hrs.
Best Regards,
CZ-USA"
SG as you mentioned earlier, should they have done something with the lever as well?
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How do you tell if an Omega gun is a 2017 dom?
No, that's not a joke, serious question.
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How do you tell if an Omega gun is a 2017 dom?
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Right side of the slide. In front of the ejection port. A number is stamped. 17, means made in 2017. If it says 16 (my urban gray Omega P01 is stamped 16, for example) then it was made in 2016.
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"Description: 2nd time in
Work Performed: Replaced Decocker spring. Installed Customers CZ sights at customers request, waived fee for installing sights due to gun coming back numerous times. Test fire good with 60 rounds, no malfunctions or issues with decocker.
Once your firearm has shipped, you will receive an additional email with tracking information from FedEx within 24hrs.
Best Regards,
CZ-USA"
SG as you mentioned earlier, should they have done something with the lever as well?
It is the same thing they did to mine. The staking of the lever was my idea, CZ didn't do that from the factory. My guess is yours will function as expected, but if you swap for the safties, you will have the issue again. The decocker spring is putting a side load on the lever, causing it to walk. Fixing the spring removed that issue. I staked/dimpled the lever to endure it wouldn't come free unless I pry it apart.
Good luck,
SG
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Hey everyone,
Interesting email from CZ today. In short, I asked what decocking spring is needed in the P-01 Omega and which Sear is needed. This is the response from CZ:
"There are slight differences between the P-01 omega parts and the parts for the P-07/P-09. The spring you asked about has a slight bend in the longer leg on a P-07 while the P-01 omega spring?s longer leg is straight. In regards to the sear it is essentially the same sear BUT when you install the sear into a P-01 it needs to be fitted differently than on the P-07. The parts you should order are below. Let me know if you have further questions.
https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/315100042350_Decocking-Lever-Spring-Omega
https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0450000029_Sear-Omega"
What I find odd about this is that on my first service call, they replaced the decocking spring and the sear. The decocking spring had the bend in it, so it was meant for the P-07/09 (which is also why it was a pain in the keester to get back in due to the interference it had with the trigger bar), and I assume the sear was for the P-07/09, hence why it decocked all the way to the firing pin. The second time I sent it in, they only replaced the sear (I assume with the P-01 version).
I would encourage all that have sent their pistols in and have received them back to see what type of spring they used. I'll bet dollars to donuts that CZ is replacing the decocker spring with the P-07/09 spring.
For reference: P-01 Omega decocker spring:
(https://shop.cz-usa.com/images/items/Large/315100042350.png)
P-07/09 decocker spring:
(https://shop.cz-usa.com/images/items/Large/0710035001-1.png)
CZ has turned the P-01 Omega into a frankengun.
Cheers,
SG
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I'll post pictures and answer any questions when I get mine back as well as a update youtube video . I already have 6 boxes of a variety of ammo sitting in the front seat of my truck to test it out with plus ammo I can shoot at work.
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Hey everyone,
Interesting email from CZ today. In short, I asked what decocking spring is needed in the P-01 Omega and which Sear is needed. This is the response from CZ:
"There are slight differences between the P-01 omega parts and the parts for the P-07/P-09. The spring you asked about has a slight bend in the longer leg on a P-07 while the P-01 omega spring?s longer leg is straight. In regards to the sear it is essentially the same sear BUT when you install the sear into a P-01 it needs to be fitted differently than on the P-07. The parts you should order are below. Let me know if you have further questions.
https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/315100042350_Decocking-Lever-Spring-Omega
https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0450000029_Sear-Omega"
What I find odd about this is that on my first service call, they replaced the decocking spring and the sear. The decocking spring had the bend in it, so it was meant for the P-07/09 (which is also why it was a pain in the keester to get back in due to the interference it had with the trigger bar), and I assume the sear was for the P-07/09, hence why it decocked all the way to the firing pin. The second time I sent it in, they only replaced the sear (I assume with the P-01 version).
I would encourage all that have sent their pistols in and have received them back to see what type of spring they used. I'll bet dollars to donuts that CZ is replacing the decocker spring with the P-07/09 spring.
For reference: P-01 Omega decocker spring:
(https://shop.cz-usa.com/images/items/Large/315100042350.png)
P-07/09 decocker spring:
(https://shop.cz-usa.com/images/items/Large/0710035001-1.png)
CZ has turned the P-01 Omega into a frankengun.
Cheers,
SG
So that's the new decocker spring you have in yours ?
when you shoot your gun with the dafety in does it fall out during normal shooting like my decocker was ?
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The spring is not installed when the safety is installed. It is only present when the decocker is installed. I have the bent p07 p09 spring installed (CZ did they swap). Regardless of which spring is installed, the lever would drop out. The only thing that retains them is the dimpling I added.
SG
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The spring is not installed when the safety is installed. It is only present when the decocker is installed. I have the bent p07 p09 spring installed (CZ did they swap). Regardless of which spring is installed, the lever would drop out. The only thing that retains them is the dimpling I added.
SG
sorry that's what I meant ... Im considering marking the ejector right above where it slides down into the frame and dimpling it slightly so it take more pressure to push down . That would solve the safety and decocker from coming out during regular fire.
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The spring is not installed when the safety is installed. It is only present when the decocker is installed. I have the bent p07 p09 spring installed (CZ did they swap). Regardless of which spring is installed, the lever would drop out. The only thing that retains them is the dimpling I added.
SG
I am reading this tread disbelieving you guys. I just can't believe your patience with CZ. Either you are bunch of guys with huge hearts, or your love for CZ has no boundaries. Or both ;D
I like CZ guns, but like with anything (ESPECIALLY with something that my life could depend on), I would DEMAND either my money back or some other brand new model.
I do salute your patience and big hearts !
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/9a657ec058c15d88052eb736fc98c456.jpg) here is a picture I took before sending it in . I have more from different angles just to maybe see any differences after it comes back
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Wasn't the first Omega CZ 75 the full sized B model type? I saw those around before I saw the P01's. Even the Urban Gray CZ 75 and P01 models were out before the standard (black) P01 Omega.
I'm not saying they are all identical, but you'd think that spring would be the same on the urban gray models as you black P01 Omega.
Something changed, or we'd have been hearing about this issue with the Urban Gray Pistols a year or more ago.
Some day, I'm gonna dig up my box, do some measuring (thickness of the slots in the left side shaft where the ejector fits in, thickness of the ejector, take some pictures of the spring and the decocker lever/shaft, etc.
You'd think, by now, they'd have gotten enough of these back to have done an investigation to determine what was different from the urban grays to the standard Omega P01's (talking about dimensions of the parts.)
edited to add: Oh, looks like that one is an Urban Gray model. Still, they aren't "new", they've been out almost two years.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/3a44fb0d716f1d684a42c6785d610ac3.jpg)
Red is where I think a tougher spring needs to go
Green and blue areas I think fitment could be an issue .
I?m no engineer . Well I was in the Army Corp of engineers but you know what I mean
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maybe even the notch cut into the decocker bar ( circled in green) is not deep enough? If I still had it in front of me id like to measure how deep the notch is compared to the one in the safety (which I didn't have an issue with ) . that would affect the vertical angle at which the ejector sits
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Hopefully CZ figures this out soon. I feel bad for you guys with brand new guns having to send them back for warranty.
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I would highly recommend leaving the ejector alone and only dimpling parts that have no wear surfaces (do the levers like in my previous videos).
The reason for this is you do not want the ejector to some how get pushed down (FTE, anything) and not return to battery. If that happens, you could get subsequent FTEs and potentially other mechanical issues. If you can find a stiffer ejector spring, that would work, but don't create a wear surface that may cause other hang ups.
Cheers, SG
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I think he means a deeper notch in the left side decocker shaft. That would allow the ejector raise up and sit "deeper" in the notch (more surface area holding the shaft in place. Might benefit from having more of a parallel surface area of contact vs. barely sitting in the notch.
I'd forget my butt if it wasn't attached (I say that because I really do what to grab the P01 box out of the garage tomorrow, but I may not remember on any of the trips I make out there).
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I think he means a deeper notch in the left side decocker shaft. That would allow the ejector raise up and sit "deeper" in the notch (more surface area holding the shaft in place. Might benefit from having more of a parallel surface area of contact vs. barely sitting in the notch.
I'd forget my butt if it wasn't attached (I say that because I really do what to grab the P01 box out of the garage tomorrow, but I may not remember on any of the trips I make out there).
That?s what I was saying earlier . I?m giving up that thought because I realized the ejector is steel and the frame is alloy . But I was also bring up the idea of what you were saying and maybe the notch isn?t deep enough
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC :-\
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC :-\
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC :-\
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
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When I get mine back I?m going to run a bunch of ammo through it . I?ll even try the safety in with the gun turned on it?s side to be sure
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC :-\
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
The p07/09 spring rubs on the trigger bar. To me this gun has too many short comings to be an edc. Unfortunately... Will it work with the spring and dimples, yes. It should work 100%. I have other options that I carry that I have full confidence in. To me, the fact that this happened lends me to wonder what else did CZ miss with the gun.
SG
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC [emoji53]
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
The p07/09 spring rubs on the trigger bar. To me this gun has too many short comings to be an edc. Unfortunately... Will it work with the spring and dimples, yes. It should work 100%. I have other options that I carry that I have full confidence in. To me, the fact that this happened lends me to wonder what else did CZ miss with the gun.
SG
That?s messed up . I could understand if they used a different guns part and then adjusted it to not rub on anything . That?s jerry rigging right there . Im probably going to just use the safety..
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC :-\
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
The p07/09 spring rubs on the trigger bar. To me this gun has too many short comings to be an edc. Unfortunately... Will it work with the spring and dimples, yes. It should work 100%. I have other options that I carry that I have full confidence in. To me, the fact that this happened lends me to wonder what else did CZ miss with the gun.
SG
What else do you carry now? I just cant let go of the ergos and accuracy of the gun. I will have to look at the 75D or the PCR.
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I have quite a few options... It flipppin hot in Florida, so don't judge too much.... Winter carry: SIG p226, Browning hi power, SIG p320... Summer, Ruger LC9s, Ruger LCP (backup or when athletic shorts are it), Ruger LCR ( I love revolvers).
I have never had a single malfunction with any of the above. The p320 had a recall that they fixed in 2 days. For ease if carry, the LCR is by far the most comfortable.
Honestly, I would go for the p229 over the Omega. It's a little bigger but I trust the internals more. The PCR or any standard 75 would be good as well.
SG
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I have quite a few options... It flipppin hot in Florida, so don't judge too much.... Winter carry: SIG p226, Browning hi power, SIG p320... Summer, Ruger LC9s, Ruger LCP (backup or when athletic shorts are it), Ruger LCR ( I love revolvers).
I have never had a single malfunction with any of the above. The p320 had a recall that they fixed in 2 days. For ease if carry, the LCR is by far the most comfortable.
Honestly, I would go for the p229 over the Omega. It's a little bigger but I trust the internals more. The PCR or any standard 75 would be good as well.
SG
When you have a chance, check out H&K P-30sk.
Perfect summer gun.
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It still really bothers me what on my first gun they could not fix for them to replace it, I mean really what piece was so damaged or broken that a whole new gun was needed to to be sent to me. The gun ran fine other then the decocker issue. Did they not know how to fix it correctly?
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It still really bothers me what on my first gun they could not fix for them to replace it, I mean really what piece was so damaged or broken that a whole new gun was needed to to be sent to me. The gun ran fine other then the decocker issue. Did they not know how to fix it correctly?
Because they aren?t attacking the first issue in the series of events of the pistol firing .... the ejector somehow being pushed down ...
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It should only be able to be pushed down when the slide is removed and you are swapping between safety and decocker .
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC [emoji53]
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
The p07/09 spring rubs on the trigger bar. To me this gun has too many short comings to be an edc. Unfortunately... Will it work with the spring and dimples, yes. It should work 100%. I have other options that I carry that I have full confidence in. To me, the fact that this happened lends me to wonder what else did CZ miss with the gun.
SG
That?s messed up . I could understand if they used a different guns part and then adjusted it to not rub on anything . That?s jerry rigging right there . Im probably going to just use the safety..
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You will want to dimple. If not, I'm betting the safties will drop free if the ejector is pressed.
SG
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I have quite a few options... It flipppin hot in Florida, so don't judge too much.... Winter carry: SIG p226, Browning hi power, SIG p320... Summer, Ruger LC9s, Ruger LCP (backup or when athletic shorts are it), Ruger LCR ( I love revolvers).
I have never had a single malfunction with any of the above. The p320 had a recall that they fixed in 2 days. For ease if carry, the LCR is by far the most comfortable.
Honestly, I would go for the p229 over the Omega. It's a little bigger but I trust the internals more. The PCR or any standard 75 would be good as well.
SG
When you have a chance, check out H&K P-30sk.
Perfect summer gun.
The hk doesn't fit me all that well and I find it to be a bit to bulky to easily conceal during the summer. Thanks for the info!
Cheers,
SG
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This thread has been open for nearly 3 months and CZ has known about the issue for just as long. It is safe to say that they will not be doing anything more, such as a recall. I cannot recommend anyone use this pistol for ccw, it hasn't been properly vetted by the manufacturer.
Cheerio,
SG
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Maybe the title for this thread should be "decocker" concern as the safeties seem to work just fine. It's only the decocker levers that seem to come loose.
I don't carry my UG P01 (have a few times but it's not a routine thing) but it is my recliner pistol and it's what I always grab to go to the door if someone rings/knocks.
You are right about the thread going on and on and no external communication from CZ about an investigation, a fix, a recall, etc. Makes me wonder.
Do they sell the Omega series in Europe? If so, I wonder if those folks are having similar issues?
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Maybe the title for this thread should be "decocker" concern as the safeties seem to work just fine. It's only the decocker levers that seem to come loose.
I don't carry my UG P01 (have a few times but it's not a routine thing) but it is my recliner pistol and it's what I always grab to go to the door if someone rings/knocks.
You are right about the thread going on and on and no external communication from CZ about an investigation, a fix, a recall, etc. Makes me wonder.
Do they sell the Omega series in Europe? If so, I wonder if those folks are having similar issues?
If you watch the decocker fix video I posted, the safties will drop completely from the firearm. It is an issue for all configurations of omegas.
SG
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC [emoji53]
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
The p07/09 spring rubs on the trigger bar. To me this gun has too many short comings to be an edc. Unfortunately... Will it work with the spring and dimples, yes. It should work 100%. I have other options that I carry that I have full confidence in. To me, the fact that this happened lends me to wonder what else did CZ miss with the gun.
SG
That?s messed up . I could understand if they used a different guns part and then adjusted it to not rub on anything . That?s jerry rigging right there . Im probably going to just use the safety..
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You will want to dimple. If not, I'm betting the safties will drop free if the ejector is pressed.
SG
That?s the point of fixing the ejector from being pushed down
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I've emailed CZ twice about an explanation for a P07 spring being installed and about it rubbing against the trigger bar is a bit concerning, no reply's.
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https://imgur.com/GonaErN Looks like a P07 spring to me. Finally got my gun back today and the decocker doesnt come out when I push on the extractor. Good start! The CZ 75 D doesnt have any issues right? I still want to use this gun for EDC [emoji53]
75d is a good choice, no issues I'm aware of. I would look at the pcr
With the new spring do you feel it fixes the reliability enough for EDC? And to use the your method to create more surface tension wouldn't that make it even better?
The p07/09 spring rubs on the trigger bar. To me this gun has too many short comings to be an edc. Unfortunately... Will it work with the spring and dimples, yes. It should work 100%. I have other options that I carry that I have full confidence in. To me, the fact that this happened lends me to wonder what else did CZ miss with the gun.
SG
That?s messed up . I could understand if they used a different guns part and then adjusted it to not rub on anything . That?s jerry rigging right there . Im probably going to just use the safety..
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You will want to dimple. If not, I'm betting the safties will drop free if the ejector is pressed.
SG
That?s the point of fixing the ejector from being pushed down
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All,
I want to be plainly clear: This is an issue for all configurations of the P-01 Omega built in 2017 (thus far). The decocker lever walks on the guns due to the decocker spring putting a load on them. When the safeties are installed, if the ejector gets pressed down with the slide back, the safeties can/will drop out of the firearm.
CZ hasn't come up with a solution that I believe is acceptable (using the P-07/09 decocker spring) as it doesn't address the issue of the safeties dropping free.
Several of us have come up with options to fix this, such as dimpling the levers to create a positive engagement or somehow locking the ejector in place.
The CZ P-01 Omega delivered from the factory can/will suffer from the walking decocker/safety falling out.
A lot of this is repetitive info, but just wanted to make it clear to those not keeping up with every post.
Cheers,
SG
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Darn, forgot to grab the P01 box from the garage. Got into a mess of getting the hood open on that darn diesel PU and then fighting those big old heavy batteries out of that thing an into the other truck to take to the store. $300 plus for two batteries (big ones - but gee whiz). The bright side is I paid with paypal so the core charge refund can be used for other stuff - like that new olight I just bought, or bullets from Missouri Bullet Co.
I'll try to remember again when I get back from Advance Auto Parts.
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If CZ won?t and has not properly addressed this issue, maybe a third party like Cajun Gun Works will. Has anyone contacted Cajon Gun Works to see if the will look into it and provide an engineering solution. This situation is very disappointing. I have had a CZ P01 compact on order from Hyatt Gun Store in NC since the last week in August. This would have been my first CZ and it was going to be a EDC weapon. I don?t even have the gun yet and I don?t trust it because of this issue. I?m about a couple weeks from calling Hyatt to see if I can use my deposit towards a SIG P320 carry model. :(
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It still really bothers me what on my first gun they could not fix for them to replace it, I mean really what piece was so damaged or broken that a whole new gun was needed to to be sent to me. The gun ran fine other then the decocker issue. Did they not know how to fix it correctly?
You are looking at this totally wrong. They didn't replace yours because they couldn't fix it - they did so because it seemed most expedient.
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This thread has been open for nearly 3 months and CZ has known about the issue for just as long. It is safe to say that they will not be doing anything more, such as a recall. I cannot recommend anyone use this pistol for ccw, it hasn't been properly vetted by the manufacturer.
No, I doubt they would do a recall over an out of spec spring. Like most manufacturers these days, CZ tends to fix things in process and via warranty repairs.
Before you let that bother you, though, perhaps you should compare to other companies. Sig's recent drop safe issue was known internally (for some time, apparently) and I believe the public recall only came about due to the internet exploding with bad press. Glock is notorious for blaming malfunctions on everything except the gun and they have a long history of quietly replacing parts in production to fix issues without a peep to the public. They have also had "teething" issues with every new generation they have put out.
Also, just to speak to your point about recommending this (or any) gun for carry... who in their right mind would trust any gun for carry without vetting their particular one with several hundred rounds downrange first? Reputation and recommendations don't make your particular pistol trustworthy! I don't carry a particular gun unless I have put 400+ rounds through it without any kind of issue.
Guns are mechanical animals and, as such, can suffer issues as a result of tolerance stacking and/or out of spec parts. A smart person will find a gun for carry that they know can trust because they have verified its function. For me P-07s fit the bill. Not just any P-07s, though... my particular P-07s ;-)
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Okay, got the UG P01 box from the garage and went ahead and installed the decocker levers and spring (spring wasn't to bad once I think I had it figured out).
Now, for the figures out question.
When the pistol is cocked can everyone move their decocker levers up/down with no resistance till it either reaches the end of travel at the top or it reached the point that it's about to drop the hammer to half cock notch?
I took mine out within minutes of getting home with it and don't remember how it was, so I'm wondering if all of them have that sloppy spot with no tension/pressure on them or if I got something in wrong.
It works. I mean if it's at full cock and I push the decocker lever down the hammer drops to half cock. then, if I pull the trigger the hammer moves to the rear and the decocker levers raise to full top position as the hammer moves rearward and then the hammer will fall. I'm just curious about that movement of the decocker levers when it's at half cock.
Thanks. About to pull it apart and do some measuring of parts (2016 Omega P01 parts).
Edited to add - even though the decocker lever moves to the full top position, it still has some sloppy up/down movement if you push on it.
I just don't know if that's "normal."
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If CZ won?t and has not properly addressed this issue, maybe a third party like Cajun Gun Works will. Has anyone contacted Cajon Gun Works to see if the will look into it and provide an engineering solution. This situation is very disappointing. I have had a CZ P01 compact on order from Hyatt Gun Store in NC since the last week in August. This would have been my first CZ and it was going to be a EDC weapon. I don?t even have the gun yet and I don?t trust it because of this issue. I?m about a couple weeks from calling Hyatt to see if I can use my deposit towards a SIG P320 carry model. :(
This doesn't require re-engineering anything. CZ said it was a spring issue which translates to an out of spec part issue since this isn't a new design. CZ-USA is apparently using P-07 springs to address the issue in the meantime... but I'm sure that is a temporary fix until they sort out and source proper parts.
FWIW something much like this happened once before, years ago, with trigger return springs... It will get fixed.
Also, we should probably talk privately about Hyatts... ;-)
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If CZ won?t and has not properly addressed this issue, maybe a third party like Cajun Gun Works will. Has anyone contacted Cajon Gun Works to see if the will look into it and provide an engineering solution. This situation is very disappointing. I have had a CZ P01 compact on order from Hyatt Gun Store in NC since the last week in August. This would have been my first CZ and it was going to be a EDC weapon. I don?t even have the gun yet and I don?t trust it because of this issue. I?m about a couple weeks from calling Hyatt to see if I can use my deposit towards a SIG P320 carry model. :(
This doesn't require re-engineering anything. CZ said it was a spring issue which translates to an out of spec part issue since this isn't a new design. CZ-USA is apparently using P-07 springs to address the issue in the meantime... but I'm sure that is a temporary fix until they sort out and source proper parts.
FWIW something much like this happened once before, years ago, with trigger return springs... It will get fixed.
Also, we should probably talk privately about Hyatts... ;-)
I have sent my pistol back 2 times to CZ and it still had the issue. This is a design fault, not a piece part issue. I have made several videos regarding this.
Regarding the 320, yes there was an issue, sig took ownership of it, and had mine fixed with the modification within 2 days of sending it to them.
All companies have issues, but with a thread with 12 pages and over 6500 views, it is very apparent there is something else other than a spring issue.
Respectfully,
SG
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Well, for what it's worth:
1. the spring that puts upward pressure on the ejector has between 10 and 11 coils in it and is 0.306" long (after being in the gun almost 2 years)
That's the spring that should be keeping the ejector in position when it strikes the base of an empty moving rearward with the slide
2. The notch in the left side decocker shaft that the ejector rests in is 0.062" wide (what a pain it was playing with that set of feeler gauges till I got the right combination of blades - then I added up the numbers plus used the calipers.)
3. The ejector, where it fits up into that notch in the decocker shaft it 0.058" wide/thick. If I pushed on either the ejector, or the left side decocker shaft I'd get a little bit of movement side to side, so it's not a snug bit on mine (I guess that's okay, just mentioning it.)
4. The left side decocker lever shaft diameter, right next to the cut the notch the ejector fits into is 0.1970"
5. The diameter of the left side decocker shaft in the notch for the ejector is 0.1740", Looks like the notch is 0.0230" deep
And I'm curious what the coil spring/decocker spring would be doing to push the left side decocker out of the frame? If the dimensions of the ejector, left side decocker shaft are good and the spring that puts upward pressure on ejector are good, how does the left side shaft move "out" of the frame.
And, if it happens with the safeties, too? How has an out of spec. decocker spring have anything to do with that? Since it's not in the frame when you're running the safeties?
I'm still curious.
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Well, for what it's worth:
1. the spring that puts upward pressure on the ejector has between 10 and 11 coils in it and is 0.306" long (after being in the gun almost 2 years)
That's the spring that should be keeping the ejector in position when it strikes the base of an empty moving rearward with the slide
2. The notch in the left side decocker shaft that the ejector rests in is 0.062" wide (what a pain it was playing with that set of feeler gauges till I got the right combination of blades - then I added up the numbers plus used the calipers.)
3. The ejector, where it fits up into that notch in the decocker shaft it 0.058" wide/thick. If I pushed on either the ejector, or the left side decocker shaft I'd get a little bit of movement side to side, so it's not a snug bit on mine (I guess that's okay, just mentioning it.)
4. The left side decocker lever shaft diameter, right next to the cut the notch the ejector fits into is 0.1970"
5. The diameter of the left side decocker shaft in the notch for the ejector is 0.1740", Looks like the notch is 0.0230" deep
And I'm curious what the coil spring/decocker spring would be doing to push the left side decocker out of the frame? If the dimensions of the ejector, left side decocker shaft are good and the spring that puts upward pressure on ejector are good, how does the left side shaft move "out" of the frame.
And, if it happens with the safeties, too? How has an out of spec. decocker spring have anything to do with that? Since it's not in the frame when you're running the safeties?
I'm still curious.
Was there any depth difference between the ejector notches in the safety bar vs decocker bar ?
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It is very apparent there is something else other than a spring issue.
Perhaps... but I think it wildly speculative to say it is a design issue. The design has been proven reliable in previous production runs so my money is still on an out of spec part, tolerance stacking or a combination of both.
I understand, though - having a problem with a gun is no fun. I?ve had a few over the years and in one case it totally turned me against a brand. CZ handled the one problem I had with a 75BD without drama... but that was just my experience.
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Well, for what it's worth:
1. the spring that puts upward pressure on the ejector has between 10 and 11 coils in it and is 0.306" long (after being in the gun almost 2 years)
That's the spring that should be keeping the ejector in position when it strikes the base of an empty moving rearward with the slide
2. The notch in the left side decocker shaft that the ejector rests in is 0.062" wide (what a pain it was playing with that set of feeler gauges till I got the right combination of blades - then I added up the numbers plus used the calipers.)
3. The ejector, where it fits up into that notch in the decocker shaft it 0.058" wide/thick. If I pushed on either the ejector, or the left side decocker shaft I'd get a little bit of movement side to side, so it's not a snug bit on mine (I guess that's okay, just mentioning it.)
4. The left side decocker lever shaft diameter, right next to the cut the notch the ejector fits into is 0.1970"
5. The diameter of the left side decocker shaft in the notch for the ejector is 0.1740", Looks like the notch is 0.0230" deep
And I'm curious what the coil spring/decocker spring would be doing to push the left side decocker out of the frame? If the dimensions of the ejector, left side decocker shaft are good and the spring that puts upward pressure on ejector are good, how does the left side shaft move "out" of the frame.
And, if it happens with the safeties, too? How has an out of spec. decocker spring have anything to do with that? Since it's not in the frame when you're running the safeties?
I'm still curious.
Was there any depth difference between the ejector notches in the safety bar vs decocker bar ?
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Sorry, buddy, that didn't even occur to me. Still got the stuff in the house, I'll field strip it again and get the left side safety lever out and measure it. It'll be a few minutes.
Edited to add:
Left side safety shaft, round section next to the ejector notch - 0.200 inches in diameter
Left side safety shaft, diameter in the ejector notch - 0.176
Looks like the notch is about 0.024 inches deep. Not much difference in the depth of the left side decocker shaft notch.
But, these are numbers from a 2016 produced P01 Omega. If you want to know if it's different than a 2017 production P01 Omega, someone having the issue will need to measure there left side decocker shaft and compare.
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It is very apparent there is something else other than a spring issue.
Perhaps... but I think it wildly speculative to say it is a design issue. The design has been proven reliable in previous production runs so my money is still on an out of spec part, tolerance stacking or a combination of both.
I understand, though - having a problem with a gun is no fun. I?ve had a few over the years and in one case it totally turned me against a brand. CZ handled the one problem I had with a 75BD without drama... but that was just my experience.
I have to respectfully disagree. This design has had 2 years of production, one of them having the issue. The omega has been around for a while, but the p01 Omega is different all together. They have a common sear and hammer, but past that most if the parts are related to the original Omega are not the same. One example is all the levers on the p07/09 are polymer with metal inserts to house the linkages.the p01 Omega is all metal and therefore a completely different part.
SG
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It is very apparent there is something else other than a spring issue.
Perhaps... but I think it wildly speculative to say it is a design issue. The design has been proven reliable in previous production runs so my money is still on an out of spec part, tolerance stacking or a combination of both.
I understand, though - having a problem with a gun is no fun. I?ve had a few over the years and in one case it totally turned me against a brand. CZ handled the one problem I had with a 75BD without drama... but that was just my experience.
I have to respectfully disagree. This design has had 2 years of production, one of them having the issue. The omega has been around for a while, but the p01 Omega is different all together. They have a common sear and hammer, but past that most if the parts are related to the original Omega are not the same. One example is all the levers on the p07/09 are polymer with metal inserts to house the linkages.the p01 Omega is all metal and therefore a completely different part.
I'm not surprised you feel that way since most of this thread involves you saying much the same. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
And on that note, let's consider this and end to the speculation with regard to this issue. Further posts here should ONLY pertain to hard facts and specifically what CZ has done to address this issue. Anything else gets the boot.
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It is very apparent there is something else other than a spring issue.
Perhaps... but I think it wildly speculative to say it is a design issue. The design has been proven reliable in previous production runs so my money is still on an out of spec part, tolerance stacking or a combination of both.
I understand, though - having a problem with a gun is no fun. I?ve had a few over the years and in one case it totally turned me against a brand. CZ handled the one problem I had with a 75BD without drama... but that was just my experience.
I have to respectfully disagree. This design has had 2 years of production, one of them having the issue. The omega has been around for a while, but the p01 Omega is different all together. They have a common sear and hammer, but past that most if the parts are related to the original Omega are not the same. One example is all the levers on the p07/09 are polymer with metal inserts to house the linkages.the p01 Omega is all metal and therefore a completely different part.
I'm not surprised you feel that way since most of this thread involves you saying much the same. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
And on that note, let's consider this and end to the speculation with regard to this issue. Further posts here should ONLY pertain to hard facts and specifically what CZ has done to address this issue. Anything else gets the boot.
What is this all about ? You sound like you are from USSR.
This guy gives you the facts and you call them "speculation" ? Are you employed by CZ ? If not, why don't you let people vent out about their problem ? I thought this is forum for everyone, and it's not like CNN.
This is not my business, and I really enjoined reading this tread (and all of your (personally yours) knowledgeable posts), but doing censorship like this is way over the top.
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It is very apparent there is something else other than a spring issue.
Perhaps... but I think it wildly speculative to say it is a design issue. The design has been proven reliable in previous production runs so my money is still on an out of spec part, tolerance stacking or a combination of both.
I understand, though - having a problem with a gun is no fun. I?ve had a few over the years and in one case it totally turned me against a brand. CZ handled the one problem I had with a 75BD without drama... but that was just my experience.
I have to respectfully disagree. This design has had 2 years of production, one of them having the issue. The omega has been around for a while, but the p01 Omega is different all together. They have a common sear and hammer, but past that most if the parts are related to the original Omega are not the same. One example is all the levers on the p07/09 are polymer with metal inserts to house the linkages.the p01 Omega is all metal and therefore a completely different part.
I'm not surprised you feel that way since most of this thread involves you saying much the same. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
And on that note, let's consider this and end to the speculation with regard to this issue. Further posts here should ONLY pertain to hard facts and specifically what CZ has done to address this issue. Anything else gets the boot.
What is this all about ? You sound like you are from USSR.
This guy gives you the facts and you call them "speculation" ? Are you employed by CZ ? If not, why don't you let people vent out about their problem ? I thought this is forum for everyone, and it's not like CNN.
This is not my business, and I really enjoined reading this tread (and all of your (personally yours) knowledgeable posts), but doing censorship like this is way over the top.
First off, my place of origin is irrelevant.
Second, this is a private forum - not a public soapbox for anyone to come in and vent their feelings and throw around unsubstantiated judgements.
Facts as they stand:
1. there is some kind of issue with some Omega P-01s from the current production run
2. it may be related to an out of spec spring, per CZ-USA
3. other problems may also be in play
4. ultimately CZUB will need to review and fix this properly
To be clear, let me say again: this is not the place to vent. I do certainly understand the frustration of having a gun with issues - been there - and we can discuss the facts of said issues... but, key word: facts. We're kinda big on that here.
I tolerated some leeway in this thread hoping it would right itself before devolving into fear-mongering and vendor/product bashing. My warning stands as a reminder to get this conversation back on track. If that is too much to ask just let me know.
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If it was just a minor spring issue then why are people having to send their guns in multiple times ?
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First off, my place of origin is irrelevant.
Second, this is a private forum - not a public soapbox for anyone to come in and vent their feelings and throw around unsubstantiated judgements.
Facts as they stand:
1. there is some kind of issue with some Omega P-01s from the current production run
2. it may be related to an out of spec spring, per CZ-USA
3. other problems may also be in play
4. ultimately CZUB will need to review and fix this properly
To be clear, let me say again: this is not the place to vent. I do certainly understand the frustration of having a gun with issues - been there - and we can discuss the facts of said issues... but, key word: facts. We're kinda big on that here.
I tolerated some leeway in this thread hoping it would right itself before devolving into fear-mongering and vendor/product bashing. My warning stands as a reminder to get this conversation back on track. If that is too much to ask just let me know.
Fair enough !
When it comes to venting, maybe you should have a section for that ?
I am not sure what do you mean about "fear- mongering", but you can take example of myself (average Joe, who came here to learn and inform himself). I was on the way of purchasing P-01 Omega. After reading this tread - guess what ? Is that "fear-mongering" or (half @ss) educated decision, to opt out of buying potentially troubled weapon ? Instead I bought myself new 99041 (again - thanks to this forum), because if it wasn't up to the guys here, I would have no idea what is 99041.
Bashing vendor/product ? You bet. If I had new weapon that is giving me problems and your vendor(manufacturer) is acting like this, or is sending me that weapon back (after long wait) in same condition, or not fixed, I would imagine - I would bash them too.
Finally - thanks for your effort in explaining where are you coming from (not your origin, because I could care less - that was just my smart @ss remark), and above all thanks for your knowledgeable posts, which I try to follow (with big pleasure) and learn as much as I can.
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First off, my place of origin is irrelevant.
Second, this is a private forum - not a public soapbox for anyone to come in and vent their feelings and throw around unsubstantiated judgements.
Facts as they stand:
1. there is some kind of issue with some Omega P-01s from the current production run
2. it may be related to an out of spec spring, per CZ-USA
3. other problems may also be in play
4. ultimately CZUB will need to review and fix this properly
To be clear, let me say again: this is not the place to vent. I do certainly understand the frustration of having a gun with issues - been there - and we can discuss the facts of said issues... but, key word: facts. We're kinda big on that here.
I tolerated some leeway in this thread hoping it would right itself before devolving into fear-mongering and vendor/product bashing. My warning stands as a reminder to get this conversation back on track. If that is too much to ask just let me know.
Fair enough !
When it comes to venting, maybe you should have a section for that ?
I am not sure what do you mean about "fear- mongering", but you can take example of myself (average Joe, who came here to learn and inform himself). I was on the way of purchasing P-01 Omega. After reading this tread - guess what ? Is that "fear-mongering" or (half @ss) educated decision, to opt out of buying potentially troubled weapon ? Instead I bought myself new 99041 (again - thanks to this forum), because if it wasn't up to the guys here, I would have no idea what is 99041.
Bashing vendor/product ? You bet. If I had new weapon that is giving me problems and your vendor(manufacturer) is acting like this, or is sending me that weapon back (after long wait) in same condition, or not fixed, I would imagine - I would bash them too.
Finally - thanks for your effort in explaining where are you coming from (not your origin, because I could care less - that was just my smart @ss remark), and above all thanks for your knowledgeable posts, which I try to follow (with big pleasure) and learn as much as I can.
As I said... I do totally understand the emotions in play. However, history has shown that it benefits this community most if we keep things factual and try, as much as possible, to leave the negative emotions out of it.
Vendor bashing without any way of knowing or understanding all that is going on rarely has any positive benefit except to make the poster feel a tiny bit better. CZ has a really good track record for taking care of their customers. Is it always a fast and easy process? No. Some patience (and persistence) is sometimes needed...
BTW you weren't the only one about to order an Omega P-01... there was a reason I followed this thread to begin with ;-) I'll track this issue as best I can and wait until it is resolved to purchase - I really like the fact that the Omega system is much simpler to work on so I will hold out for it.
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It still really bothers me what on my first gun they could not fix for them to replace it, I mean really what piece was so damaged or broken that a whole new gun was needed to to be sent to me. The gun ran fine other then the decocker issue. Did they not know how to fix it correctly?
You are looking at this totally wrong. They didn't replace yours because they couldn't fix it - they did so because it seemed most expedient.
I see where you are coming from however not checking the new replacement is frustrating and I don?t see how anyone could find that okay. I called CZ today since they didn?t respond to my emails and spoke with Zach who said there should be no issue with the P07 spring in there and if there was to contact them again. I do not want to give up on the gun and will post anymore updates during the thousands of rounds I plan to put through it. I haven?t noticed any metal shavings or markings yet due to the spring rubbing on the trigger bar. Regarding this issue I stand with SG on this one.
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If it was just a minor spring issue then why are people having to send their guns in multiple times ?
Well - this is entirely a hunch on my part, but I'd say guns returned to CZ-USA for warranty work either get worked on there or replaced outright - they don't make a trip overseas to CZUB (you know, where the product engineering team is) while the customer is waiting. Does your mechanic send your car back to Hyundai or whoever when it comes in making a strange noise? No. They try the most likely fix. If that doesn't fix it they try again. Is it fun to be the customer with a new problem? No, of course not.
In other words, I would say CZUB/CZ-USA are still trying to get a handle on the problem.
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I see where you are coming from however not checking the new replacement is frustrating and I don?t see how anyone could find that okay.
I get the frustration... There was a time when I expected to be able to have confidence in a gun out of the box - that ship has sailed. Things can happen regardless of brand or model.
The only way to truly have confidence is to prove the gun by shooting it. If you have further issues, send it back. CZ will take care of you.
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If you want a "new" P01, as in new in the box and you were going to run the decocker anyway then the standard P01 is set up that way already - with no issues.
If you want the Omega version then be on the lookout for one with 16 stamped into the slide in front of the ejection port, not 17. There's probably still some out there. I still sometimes see new DUTY model P07's and they haven't made them for what? 5 years or so, maybe 6 years.
If you've already got a "17" P01 Omega, sorry, I hope they get it figured out and fixed soon.
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I think that I `am going to notify CZub.cz in Czech directly and copy some of these posts and see if I get any feedback. We`re sure not getting anywhere after several months, and czusa is not very helpful or transparent regarding our issue.
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Hey everyone,
Feel like I'm watching a daytime soap, so much drama ;)
I didn't intend this to be such a contentious post, simply wanted to discuss my experience with the Omega to help others that have had the issue. My apologies if any of my posts came off harsh, it wasn't the intent.
Del, please let everyone know how czub responds.
I don't hold any fault to to CZ or the repair guys at CZ-USA. The CZ-USA guys are trying their best to remedy everyone's issues. The folks over in Czechia may not even know of the issue (lost in translation maybe).
If yall want my opinion on anything, feel free to ask. It is what the forum is for! I'll make another video when I get some time to show everyone how to fully strip the P-01 Omega (knowledge is power).
In the mean time, keep calm and CZ on :)
Cheers,
SG
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If you want a "new" P01, as in new in the box and you were going to run the decocker anyway then the standard P01 is set up that way already - with no issues.
If you want the Omega version then be on the lookout for one with 16 stamped into the slide in front of the ejection port, not 17. There's probably still some out there. I still sometimes see new DUTY model P07's and they haven't made them for what? 5 years or so, maybe 6 years.
If you've already got a "17" P01 Omega, sorry, I hope they get it figured out and fixed soon.
Good point. As always, your post is spot on.
Thank you !
They may think I am crazy when I start asking them about #16 stamped on the gun :P, but who cares ? I am the customer, who knows what he wants 8) (crazy or not).
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I just got done sending to ( CZUB Czech directly) a pretty lengthy description of our concerns with this model. I indicated what was happening, referenced videos and links to this thread/posts.
I mentioned in a very pleasant matter that we as forum members and owners of this weapon that we cannot trust this platform the way it stands at the present.
I will inform everyone as soon as I get any response - hopefully something?
Best to all,
DEL
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I just got done sending to ( CZUB Czech directly) a pretty lengthy description of our concerns with this model. I indicated what was happening, referenced videos and links to this thread/posts.
I mentioned in a very pleasant matter that we as forum members and owners of this weapon that we cannot trust this platform the way it stands at the present.
I will inform everyone as soon as I get any response - hopefully something?
Best to all,
DEL
bleep, good job man !
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SG that was a thoughtful most recent post.
IMO, it's not unusual to have to do some tuning to a gun to get it to run its best. My p 01 omega (in which I installed a full CGW kit before I shot it) has never had a failure in approximately a thousand rounds. I continue to shoot and love it. I run it with safeties. As reflected earlier in this thread, I was able to get the left side safety to fall out by locking open the slide, tilting it to the left and pushing up on the ejector. Consequently, I dimpled the right side safety to form a tighter connection to the left side safety shaft and the safety can't fall out any more. Easy fix. Problem solved. I'd carry it in a heartbeat without a worry in the world about the pistol's reliability.
We know SG had a failure at the range. Has anyone else had one? I'm curious.
BTW, mine is a 2016 gun.
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I?ve had over 1000 rds in mine, no problems
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I got to wondering about something else this morning, so I dug the decocking levers out of the UG P01 case to look at closer.
You can see where the black finish is worn off the right end of the left side decocker shaft when it was fitted to the right side lever. Nice and shiny and you can see either file marks or stone marks. No refinish after the metal removal.
If I insert the left side decocker lever shaft into the right side decocker lever and then turn the shaft vertical with the left side decocker down - and then shake it, the left side decocker lever/shaft will fall right out of the right side decocker lever. I mean, it's loose.
In the pistol frame it will not fall out if I turn the frame so that the decocker shaft is vertical, push the ejector downwards to release the shaft and then shake the snot out of the pistol. I have to push on the end of the shaft with something to get it to start to move, then I can pull it out from the left side.
I'm supposing, for the safeties, the force of the detent and spring (in/on the left side safety) pushing against the frame, helps keep the safety/shaft in the pistol when turned on it's left side, the ejector pushed downwards to get it out of the notch. Don't know, but it stays in place, too, and seems to require a harder "push" to get it started moving out. But I have not removed the safeties from the frame, put them together (like I did the decocking levers) turned them up and shook them to see if they fall apart.
I've fit two of these styles of safeties for a couple of my pistols. Fitting means metal removal from the left side shaft so that it will fit into the right side lever. I can't say how loose/sloppy the fits might be, I never did the same test on them I did on the P01 decocking levers.
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We know SG had a failure at the range. Has anyone else had one? I'm curious.
BTW, mine is a 2016 gun.
Top of the morning all,
I'll keep with the basics.
Failure mode: When the slide is locked back, or cycling (removing any tension from the trigger bar) and the ejector is pushed out of battery, the decocker will begin to walk free. If safties are installed, the safties will drop free.
Bounding the problem: Thus far, it only occurs on firearms that are 2017 production (less the last post from twowheels stating he can manually cause the issue with safties installed on a 2016 version.)
Official Resolution: CZ has been replacing the decocker spring with a P-07/09 decocker spring. Does not address the safeties.
Other resolutions: Dimpling the interface between the left and right hand levers to create interference.
People that have experienced the issue:
- guns.com review of the P-01 Omega, last paragraph of field testing
- supergunner84 - FTE that cause mechanical disassembly. After dimpling, 600 rounds in and no failures
- Muggins - Failure during standard firing
- Muggins - After CZ repair, Failure after 3 shots. I believe they dimpled after this
- rkubatak21 - Standard Firing
- rkubatak21 (replacement gun, maunually verified)
- lawikfors - youtube video
- GypsyDanger - Manually verified
- del4c - Manually verified
- Justcuz - Manually verified
- Good friend of mine - Manually verified
- twowheels - able to maunally drop safeties free, only 2016 version
Cheers all,
supergunner84
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SG,
Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.
To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.
Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.
I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.
Regards,
Gypsy
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SG,
Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.
To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.
Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.
I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.
Regards,
Gypsy
After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever??????
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SG,
Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.
To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.
Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.
I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.
Regards,
Gypsy
After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever??????
P07 spring but no dimpled lever. Did not want to invalidate the warranty.
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SG,
Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.
To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.
Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.
I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.
Regards,
Gypsy
After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever??????
P07 spring but no dimpled lever. Did not want to invalidate the warranty.
Ugh *facepalm* Can you manually replicate it when you push down on the extractor? I havent shot mine yet, I actually bought a used P01 today and took it out to the range.
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This issue is with the Omega P01's, not the standard P01's. Is yours an Omega?
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I?ve had over 1000 rds in mine, no problems
2017 Omega compact? No issues when you press on the ejector?
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This issue is with the Omega P01's, not the standard P01's. Is yours an Omega?
I have an omega that I sent in and they sent me a replacement with the same issue which they recently put a P07 spring in it. I bought a used P01 since it?s a more reliable system. But now Gypsy said even after the replacement of the ejector spring with a P07 spring which was their ?fix? the issue has reoccurred?
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SG,
Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.
To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.
Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.
I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.
Regards,
Gypsy
After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever??????
P07 spring but no dimpled lever. Did not want to invalidate the warranty.
Ugh *facepalm* Can you manually replicate it when you push down on the extractor? I havent shot mine yet, I actually bought a used P01 today and took it out to the range.
If I push down on the ejector, yes it will replicate the issue as described above. However, it requires about 50% more force than previously applied. Installation was also slightly more tedious than before.
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Putting that little spring back in would be much easier with 3 hands and smaller fingers.
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Putting that little spring back in would be much easier with 3 hands and smaller fingers.
I have found a locking hemostat to work quite well in this regard... ;-)
https://www.amazon.com/HTS-161S2-Locking-Straight-Hemostat/dp/B000W1Y9YU
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Got a pair of those in most every tackle box I've got. Great for working hooks out of a small mouth bass's "mouth" without getting a hook in your fingers when they decide to flop around.
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Are you talking about the decocker spring or the ejector spring.... The p0709 decocker spring was a pain to put in on mine, think it is the fact it now rubs on the trigger bar.
SG
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Are you talking about the decocker spring or the ejector spring.... The p0709 decocker spring was a pain to put in on mine, think it is the fact it now rubs on the trigger bar.
Decocker spring... and it is a pain, regardless ;-)
The ejector spring is more of a flight risk.
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I had another successful day with my Cajun spiced P01 Omega at our monthly IDPA match. Gun performed without malfunctions of any sort.
My gun appears to be made in 2016, so guess I?m lucky.
To be honest, this is the gun I?ve always wanted & im completely satisfied.
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Well, finally made it to the range again today with my 2017 P-01 Omega in Urban Grey. I tried dimpling, but it appears to not quite have been sufficient yet. I used a standard center punch which proved rather difficult to use, but I thought I had dimpled it sufficiently, as there was a much more snug fit between the decocker pieces (to the point where I was worried about being able to remove the decocker). I have ordered a spring loaded center punch to try and make the dimpling process a little easier and see if that will resolve the issue.
I took a video showing the issue. My apologies for the shakiness, trying to take video with the phone in one hand and fire with the other was challenging.
https://youtu.be/74R_SWnr3hQ (https://youtu.be/74R_SWnr3hQ)
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Not sure what I saw.
It looked like the left side decocker raised up.
When you laid it down on the table I couldn't tell if the right side decocker had moved out or it the left side decocker had moved out. I could see the depression where the end of the decocker shaft was no longer flush with the right side decocker, but I can't tell why.
Was it because the left side decocker moved to the left in it's start to move out of the frame?
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Gypsy...any word from CZ about getting a new gun? I have 300 rounds though mine with the P07 spring including a box of HSTs with no issues so far.
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Not sure what I saw.
It looked like the left side decocker raised up.
When you laid it down on the table I couldn't tell if the right side decocker had moved out or it the left side decocker had moved out. I could see the depression where the end of the decocker shaft was no longer flush with the right side decocker, but I can't tell why.
Was it because the left side decocker moved to the left in it's start to move out of the frame?
Sorry about the lack of a better description. Upon firing the left side of the decocker walks out and both sides of the decocker flip up. Here are additional pictures showing the length of travel on the left as well as the right side decocker where it is a little clearer to see what is happening:
(https://i.imgur.com/o3H31P3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8LmUeUz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eYuSk6l.jpg)
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Are you going to send it in to CZ? Welcome to the omegahell we have been living through.
SG
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It's not in my hand to look at/tear down but I can't see this happening more than a couple/three ways/reasons.
The ejector isn't completely up into the slot in the left side decocker shaft. If it was that decocker wouldn't be moving. It couldn't move.
Or, the spring that pushes up on the ejector is weak as my old diesel K5 and just can't keep the ejector up in the slot.
If the ejector won't go up into the slot completely it's slot width or ejector width (or maybe, position of the slot in the ejector shaft - not clocked correctly and so the ejector is barely fitting into the slot).
If the spring is weak/too short, etc. you could try ordering a new one.
Man, I hate to wait on someone else to fix my stuff if it's something I can do (or something I think I can do). I just worked on my brand new 9MM AR15 this afternoon to "fix" it. I could have e-mailed people/places but I just wanted to get it going. What I did seems to have worked. Live fire exercise next week, hopefully.
Good luck with yours. I do know one thing. Only a couple places will fix it - CZ or you.
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Are you going to send it in to CZ? Welcome to the omegahell we have been living through.
SG
I sent it in to CZ in November after my first trip to the range with it and it experiencing this issue, and their 'fix' was unsuccessful.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=92667.msg714889.msg#714889
I'm going to try for more aggressive dimpling once my spring-impact center punch arrives, and if that fails probably send it back to CZ a second time.
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Are you going to send it in to CZ? Welcome to the omegahell we have been living through.
SG
I sent it in to CZ in November after my first trip to the range with it and it experiencing this issue, and their 'fix' was unsuccessful.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=92667.msg714889.msg#714889
I'm going to try for more aggressive dimpling once my spring-impact center punch arrives, and if that fails probably send it back to CZ a second time.
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They installed the P07 spring and that still happened???
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Wait I see all the parts they replaced :/ It?s so hard to keep this gun at this point.
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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I try to get there later today. If not, tomorrow for sure. I just happen to have some 1124gr.
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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I try to get there later today. If not, tomorrow for sure. I just happen to have some 1124gr.
That?s just the weight bullet that did it the easiest on my gun
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
1. Is yours a 2016 or 2017 model? Should be a number, right in front of the ejection port that tells you what year it was made. I don't think anyone's had an issue with the 2016 made Omega P01's.
2. Are you going to run the decocker levers? Or the safety levers? I'm not sure if anyone with a 2017 pistol has had this issue while running the safeties (but my mind may be slipping).
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I have a 2014 75B Omega (non conversion (no decocker option)) The extractor appears to be the same style. It can be pushed down with the same ease as the P01. (travel seems to be equal as well) I'd like to take the P-01 to the range before pulling it apart to measure the extractor cut out on the decocker to compare it to that of the 75B. I suppose I can pull the P-01 safety out of the box and compare the 75B to that one. Since my 75B is safety only, I wonder why it doesn't fall out the same as the P-01.
****I have tried to get my decocker to fall out by turning to the left and pushing down on the extractor. I was unable to duplicate the same outcome.****
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
1. Is yours a 2016 or 2017 model? Should be a number, right in front of the ejection port that tells you what year it was made. I don't think anyone's had an issue with the 2016 made Omega P01's.
2. Are you going to run the decocker levers? Or the safety levers? I'm not sure if anyone with a 2017 pistol has had this issue while running the safeties (but my mind may be slipping).
17. Decockers.
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I have a 2017 P01 Omega in which I can re-create the malfunction with the decocker levers and the slide fully back with the recoil spring removed as demo-ed in the video on page 1 of the thread. I doesn't happen with the safety levers.
From what I can see and others have alluded to (forgive me if I'm being redundant...I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread so far), the decocker spring tends to put some lateral pressure to the left on the left decocker lever so that if the ejector is depressed with the slide fully back and the hammer under tension from the slide, the left lever tends to move laterally to the left enough that the detent in the left lever disengages from the frame allowing the lever to rotate upwards and lock up the pistol.
I only plan on using the safety levers anyway, but I am interested in seeing what becomes of the issue.
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I have bought the CZ 75 Omega a week ago.
With about 300 rounds, no malfunctions, but I can't swap from decocker to safety. The safety will not seat in its assign place.
Contacted CZ twice, with no answer back from them.
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I have a 2017 P01 Omega in which I can re-create the malfunction with the decocker levers and the slide fully back with the recoil spring removed as demo-ed in the video on page 1 of the thread. I doesn't happen with the safety levers.
From what I can see and others have alluded to (forgive me if I'm being redundant...I haven't read all 16 pages of this thread so far), the decocker spring tends to put some lateral pressure to the left on the left decocker lever so that if the ejector is depressed with the slide fully back and the hammer under tension from the slide, the left lever tends to move laterally to the left enough that the detent in the left lever disengages from the frame allowing the lever to rotate upwards and lock up the pistol.
I only plan on using the safety levers anyway, but I am interested in seeing what becomes of the issue.
Correct, when I run safties in mine, they will drop free of the firearm if the failure mode is recreated. Reference the fix video, around 2:50 in.
https://youtu.be/uKBq6tjSOiQ
I have bought the CZ 75 Omega a week ago.
With about 300 rounds, no malfunctions, but I can't swap from decocker to safety. The safety will not seat in its assign place.
Contacted CZ twice, with no answer back from them.
Mine did the same thing. It looks like CZ filed/ polished my safety to get it to seat, but now I have the issue shown above. Dimpling is the only way to actually solve this.
Cheers, SG
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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Well I only ran 150 rounds through it. I did not have an issue with the decocker. I feel like an idiot though. When I purchased the gun, I didn't realize it was used. I should have known by the blue price tag. New tags are yellow. Anyhow, I noticed the decocker spring is from the P-07. So someone has been in it already. What I did find wrong is, there's no trigger reset until you let the trigger all the way out. As you pull the trigger back, the reset "clicks" then I can fire the next round. I'm going to hang on to this one until there is a recall or Cajun Gun Works comes up with a solution. This pistol is dead nuts on.
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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Well I only ran 150 rounds through it. I did not have an issue with the decocker. I feel like an idiot though. When I purchased the gun, I didn't realize it was used. I should have known by the blue price tag. New tags are yellow. Anyhow, I noticed the decocker spring is from the P-07. So someone has been in it already. What I did find wrong is, there's no trigger reset until you let the trigger all the way out. As you pull the trigger back, the reset "clicks" then I can fire the next round. I'm going to hang on to this one until there is a recall or Cajun Gun Works comes up with a solution. This pistol is dead nuts on.
Make a video on the reset I?d like to see how far out yours is .
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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Well I only ran 150 rounds through it. I did not have an issue with the decocker. I feel like an idiot though. When I purchased the gun, I didn't realize it was used. I should have known by the blue price tag. New tags are yellow. Anyhow, I noticed the decocker spring is from the P-07. So someone has been in it already. What I did find wrong is, there's no trigger reset until you let the trigger all the way out. As you pull the trigger back, the reset "clicks" then I can fire the next round. I'm going to hang on to this one until there is a recall or Cajun Gun Works comes up with a solution. This pistol is dead nuts on.
Make a video on the reset I?d like to see how far out yours is .
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I have to take my finger completely off the trigger, then pull back to feel the reset. (Approximately 1/8") I will try to post a vid tonight. I had to scrap my photobucket account due to pop ups and the high cost of their upgrade. I will open an imgur account tonight.
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I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier. I just bought an Omega P-01 on Thursday.
Go shoot some 124 gr through it and report back
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Well I only ran 150 rounds through it. I did not have an issue with the decocker. I feel like an idiot though. When I purchased the gun, I didn't realize it was used. I should have known by the blue price tag. New tags are yellow. Anyhow, I noticed the decocker spring is from the P-07. So someone has been in it already. What I did find wrong is, there's no trigger reset until you let the trigger all the way out. As you pull the trigger back, the reset "clicks" then I can fire the next round. I'm going to hang on to this one until there is a recall or Cajun Gun Works comes up with a solution. This pistol is dead nuts on.
Make a video on the reset I?d like to see how far out yours is .
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I have to take my finger completely off the trigger, then pull back to feel the reset. (Approximately 1/8") I will try to post a vid tonight. I had to scrap my photobucket account due to pop ups and the high cost of their upgrade. I will open an imgur account tonight.
That?s weird . I?d take it apart and see if something is put in wrong .. shouldn?t have to release the trigger all the way
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If it's used, someone may have made some "unfortunate" adjustments inside of it.
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Make a video on the reset I?d like to see how far out yours is .
That?s weird . I?d take it apart and see if something is put in wrong .. shouldn?t have to release the trigger all the way
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No Sound, but you can see where the trigger breaks.
https://i.imgur.com/GA9EC4u.mp4
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Let me try this one. The first is my P-01, the second is the P-01 Omega.
https://youtu.be/llEi4rpsaSg
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So today I received a letter in the mail from a gentleman that lives on the west coast, it contained all my paperwork..... receipt, background check form, and user manuals from my omega they "destroyed" because it was not able to be fixed. CZ told me those documents were shredded, instead they were still in that omegas gun case which they sent that gentlemen;s gun back to him in. >:(
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Got mine back from repair today . Says they replaced the decocker spring , replaced the ejector spring , and adjusted decocker ... I?ll be making a video sometime this week .
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I'm taking mine back to the store tomorrow.
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Dropped it off last night. They said they will have the smithy look at it and/or call CZ.
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Went to the range/LGS today. They told me they sent my P-01 Omega off to CZ. We'll see what happens next.
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Gypsy...any word from CZ about getting a new gun? I have 300 rounds though mine with the P07 spring including a box of HSTs with no issues so far.
They are not willing to meet my request, unfortunately. Word needs to get out that people should stay away from the P-01 Omega.
I wonder if this issue is present on the P-07/P-09 and the full size CZ 75B Omega. Can anyone confirm? If so, this will be a substantial setback for CZ.
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Gypsy...any word from CZ about getting a new gun? I have 300 rounds though mine with the P07 spring including a box of HSTs with no issues so far.
They are not willing to meet my request, unfortunately. Word needs to get out that people should stay away from the P-01 Omega.
I wonder if this issue is present on the P-07/P-09 and the full size CZ 75B Omega. Can anyone confirm? If so, this will be a substantial setback for CZ.
Just the p-01 seems to have the problem . All 17 models it seems to be. They replaced the decocker spring with a p-07 spring , replaced the ejector and ejector spring as well.
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Gypsy...any word from CZ about getting a new gun? I have 300 rounds though mine with the P07 spring including a box of HSTs with no issues so far.
They are not willing to meet my request, unfortunately. Word needs to get out that people should stay away from the P-01 Omega.
I wonder if this issue is present on the P-07/P-09 and the full size CZ 75B Omega. Can anyone confirm? If so, this will be a substantial setback for CZ.
So to clarify, you had to send your omega back three times and the third time it was after they placed the P07 spring in there and the gun still failed? And they told you no for swapping it for a different model? I have 2016 75B omega which has been flawless for 3000 rounds expect for the ammo issue I had the first day I had it. My LGS blamed the Winchester white box for being out of spec. I was able to locate a video on YouTube of another user having the same issue in their 75 with the same ammo so maybe it really was the ammo.
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Gypsy...any word from CZ about getting a new gun? I have 300 rounds though mine with the P07 spring including a box of HSTs with no issues so far.
They are not willing to meet my request, unfortunately. Word needs to get out that people should stay away from the P-01 Omega.
I wonder if this issue is present on the P-07/P-09 and the full size CZ 75B Omega. Can anyone confirm? If so, this will be a substantial setback for CZ.
I have both P-07 and P-09 from 2016. Neither have had any issues. That was one of the reasons I purchased the P-01 Omega. I like the triggers. I hope CZ can fix my issue with the P-01.
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Still not back from CZ.
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Still not back from CZ.
When did you send it in? Anyone else have any updates? I ended up selling mine.
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2017 P01 Omega
Mine happened today at the range. 1200 rounds in about 8 weeks.
I'm sure CZ will take care of it.
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Still not back from CZ.
When did you send it in? Anyone else have any updates? I ended up selling mine.
I got it back today. It has been 3 weeks since I dropped it off at the store. They shipped 2 days later. They replaced the TRS. I ran 100 rounds through it today. No problems. I'll take it back this weekend for more range time. Trigger feels great and no decocker issues either.
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That is a fast turnaround!
Sig took 6 weeks for the warranty on the 320.
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That is a fast turnaround!
Sig took 6 weeks for the warranty on the 320.
Maybe they had a lot more 320's to deal with. I'm not a SIG guy, just hear about the issues on many of the forums. The decocker issue on the Omega P01's seems to be more random (and probably no where near as many Omega P01's out there as SIG 320's.)
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WAAAAAAY more 320s to deal with and I actually think 4-6 weeks is pretty fast for Sig as long as it is done right.
I think the P01 issue is more 2017 models from what I can tell.
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What about 2018? And what about the real cause and fix? Too early to tell?
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WAAAAAAY more 320s to deal with and I actually think 4-6 weeks is pretty fast for Sig as long as it is done right.
I think the P01 issue is more 2017 models from what I can tell.
It is also fair to say that Sig has a lot more resources assigned to the P320 recall.
IMO CZ-USA does a really good job, all things considered.
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Did you have a prob with your decocker and they just replaced the TRS?
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EZECZ75--
Did you have a prob with your decocker and they just replaced the TRS?
I bought it used. Someone had replaced the stock decocker spring with th P-07/09 decocker spring before my possession. CZ replaced the TRS with a SP-01 spring. I don't know if that is any different from the regular P-01 spring. So, no I didn't have an issue with the decocker, my issue was the lack of triggers reset.
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Hmmmm I have a P-01 Omega I bought last year that hasn?t been to the range or even taken apart for an initial cleaning.
Chances are this is going to have the issues mentioned in this thread?
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Hey guys. I just took a closer look at my P-01 Omega. It has a target date of 3/2/17 so it is an early 2017 build. What dates do you guys have on your targets?
I?m not sure if I?m doing the test right though.....with the slide still on the frame and locked to the rear, I pressed down on the ejector a number of times. I didn?t see or feel any movement on the decocker.
Am I looking for movement in the decocker to determine if my gun has the issue?
I?m also looking at a 18 Urban Gray P-01 Omega but maybe holding off if still a known issue
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Hey guys. I just took a closer look at my P-01 Omega. It has a target date of 3/2/17 so it is an early 2017 build. What dates do you guys have on your targets?
I?m not sure if I?m doing the test right though.....with the slide still on the frame and locked to the rear, I pressed down on the ejector a number of times. I didn?t see or feel any movement on the decocker.
Am I looking for movement in the decocker to determine if my gun has the issue?
I?m also looking at a 18 Urban Gray P-01 Omega but maybe holding off if still a known issue
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If the ejector doesn't move down when you press on it with the slide locked back, that's good! I am surprised however if that is the case as the ejector is held up by spring pressure.
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Hey guys. I just took a closer look at my P-01 Omega. It has a target date of 3/2/17 so it is an early 2017 build. What dates do you guys have on your targets?
I?m not sure if I?m doing the test right though.....with the slide still on the frame and locked to the rear, I pressed down on the ejector a number of times. I didn?t see or feel any movement on the decocker.
Am I looking for movement in the decocker to determine if my gun has the issue?
I?m also looking at a 18 Urban Gray P-01 Omega but maybe holding off if still a known issue
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If the ejector doesn't move down when you press on it with the slide locked back, that's good! I am surprised however if that is the case as the ejector is held up by spring pressure.
No the ejector moves, I think it needs to in order for the Omega system to function.
The decocker doesn?t have any visible movement in it when pressing down on the ejector. I thought people who were having issues had movement of the decocker and or it was popping loose when the ejector was pressed down on more than once
Am I correct in saying that?
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Yes, that is correct- ejector will move and has some play, if de-cocker pops out or moves when pressing down on ejector- problem exists
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Picked up a 17 P-01 Omega Urban Grey yesterday for a great price (unfired from a private party with an extra mag). Tested for the decocker issue by pressing on the ejector with the slide locked back. Result was a very slight outward movement of the left decocker. Pressed it back in and using a sharp tooth pick, applied blue loctite on the right decocker. No more movement now with pressing of the ejector.
https://imgur.com/a/35eUG
Yg
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Just got mine back from CZ.
Service was great. Communition great.
Took 4 weeks back to the house.
Can't wait to shoot!
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Just confirming no issues with (mine anyway) 2018 made P01 Omegas.
When I picked it up I saw it was this years model. It had the decocker levers installed from the factory. No outward movement/loss of the decocker when pushed from the right side. In fact, I had to use the tip of the plastic cleaning rod to get the left side lever moving out of the frame so I could finish pulling it out when I installed the safeties. It was pretty tight (don't know if that was in the frame/spring or the right side decocker).
I did run into and issue with the left side safety install. I tried several times to get it to correctly install (fully insert) and had no luck. I was still trying to figure out why it wouldn't go in all the way when it hit me I had the 2016 Urban Gray P01 in the basket by my recliner. I grabbed it, unloaded it, pulled the left side safety out and it snapped right into place in the 2018 pistol. I then grabbed the 2018 left side safety lever and it snapped into place in the 2016 P01.
There's a reason why things just don't fit well sometimes and in just 0.00X of an inch so it's pretty tough to see - but it let's you know it exists. Nope, I didn't pull things apart again and begin measuring. I just loaded the 2016 pistol up, put it back in the basket and took the 2018 pistol to the table to clean/lube it before putting it back together for some dry fire practice/break in before it's first range session. Man, I really like the say that thing feels in my hand. Hard to believe those little grooves in the front/rear of the frame/grip would make that much difference over my Compacts.
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Fairly new to this forum and saw this discussion. I recently bought a P01 Omega that?s surpressor ready. Is these problems with the Omega happening with most of these gun made in 2017 or does it seem to be just a few? I have only been able to put about 200 rounds through mine so far and it worked fine for those.
The reason I ask is because I purchased the Omega kit (item 75700) from CGW and was going to have a local gun shop install everything to try and improve the trigger some. But now I am concerned about the gun and don?t want to do anything that might void the CZ warranty.
Just wondering if I should leave the gun alone and put more rounds through it and see what happens before modifying it? Or does anyone know if the CGW Omega kit helps improve or fix these issues people have been having?
I thank you all in advance for your assistance.
Mike
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Watch the video and see if yours replicates the failure mode, it can be manually actuated. As far as the cgw 75700, nothing that is in the decocker mechanism is being replaced, so the kit will not change anything in regards to the walking decocker.
https://youtu.be/uKBq6tjSOiQ
Cheers,
SG
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I thank you for your reply SuperGunner that video is helpful. So far mine seems too work ok. Just not sure now if I should go ahead and install the CGW kit now Or wait for a little while and see if my gun develops this problem. Don?t want to void the warranty but I would like to improve on the trigger. Oh what to do....
Thank you again.
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I really hope CZ can finally fix this issue or CGW comes up with a good final solution.
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The thread that will not die. Locked.