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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: WVSurveyor on November 29, 2017, 08:02:52 AM
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Ordered a new Scorpion carbine today to go along
with my SP-01 Tactical. Should be here next week
and weather permitting hope to put it through its paces
and post a range report.
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Ordered a new Scorpion carbine today to go along
with my SP-01 Tactical. Should be here next week
and weather permitting hope to put it through its paces
and post a range report.
Nice, any plans for it?
Highly suggest the HBi trigger and the ak safety, two low expense and useful upgrades....
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Nice pairing. 8)
Let us know how she goes when you get your carbine.
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CZ needs to start shipping with reduced pull springs. A factory 11lb pull is rediculous ???. It's a little expensive for what it is at $12+/- shipped for an hbi spring but its a MUST HAVE item. Everything else is just ergo upgrades such ad a lever style mag release.
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Congrats, I second the HBI Trigger! I love it!
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I too have a new carbine showing up tomorrow, if UPS doesn't misplace it between now and then. Like yours, it will have a couple of CZ pals welcoming it into the arsenal.
My first purchase for the new arrival will be an ETS C.A.M. loader. This scorpion likes to eat. Its got a rep for its voracious appetite and fast metabolism. Keepin it fed can consume a large chunk of ones interaction time with it. The C.A.M. can minimize your time spent on the task. Might have an inverse effect on the ammo budget though.
Check it out; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5X1mAS1roc
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Picked up my new Scorpion from the FFL within the last hour.
Weather is inhospitable at best. I sent 10 rounds down range and headed home convinced of 2 things;
1) the safety isn't safe. It ripped a good sized piece off my right thumbnail right there in the store... just as I was saying how people didn't care for it. I manned up and headed toward the truck and drove straight to the range where I found out just how understated the other notorious issue is by you guys.
2) The trigger is pure suckage! I quit firing after 10 rounds and plan to take this thing apart and do a dustin and buffin session on the assembly. That will happen before anymore lead passes through the barrel.
EDIT: I just finished cleaning and lubing the factory goop out of the mechanisms. This is something I (and I'm sure most of you) would normally do before firing a round. In my defense, I've been watching youtube videos of firearm torture tests by Russian imigrants. This thing aint that bad a runner when maintained! However, that factory applied pre sale crud is pure unadulterated sheet.
I think Im going to really enjoy it after I exorcise these demons.
Anyone had success altering the stock trigger spring via the youtube method of plier application?
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I'll order from HBI but I'm going to mutilate the OEM spring before it has time to get here.
ANNNND, I really need that C.A.M> loader too
https://youtu.be/z56cMrQRs7o
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* Get a spring set from HBI to reduce the trigger weight
* While you are at it, pick up a set of HBI AK safety levers. I really like the full size on the RH side.
* Polish the hammer shelf under the three hooks.
* Polish the disconnector lever on the side against the trigger wall and the trigger wall. A smooth trigger pull is much nicer than a gritty one.
* The stock trigger has a really long trigger pull. Consider Installing shims to reduce the trigger take up, reset distance, and over travel. You can easily remove 75% of the travel.
What a fun gun!
- DanT. Phoenix, AZ
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* Get a spring set from HBI to reduce the trigger weight
* While you are at it, pick up a set of HBI AK safety levers. I really like the full size on the RH side.
* Polish the hammer shelf under the three hooks.
* Polish the disconnector lever on the side against the trigger wall and the trigger wall. A smooth trigger pull is much nicer than a gritty one.
* The stock trigger has a really long trigger pull. Consider Installing shims to reduce the trigger take up, reset distance, and over travel. You can easily remove 75% of the travel.
What a fun gun!
- DanT. Phoenix, AZ
Im not a gunsmith and i don't mess with internals, whatever they did over at HBi is good enough for me! it shoots great, has a short pull and short reset and is so much lighter than stock!
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I would send mine to HBI for a transformation but I suffer from separation anxiety. I'm going to have to get dirty and DIY. I'm anxious to make mine the carbine you all love and I'm gonna do it soon.
Hows it handle the MAL-WART aluminum case Federal rounds? Never tried it in my other 9's. $0.15 a round isn't bad for readily available ammo. If you can actually hit anything with it; that's a plus. My gut feeling is that the high demand for high capacity magazines is directly related to the amount of satisfaction derived from emptying them. Which makes me think saving a nickle to a dime a round could really add up for a guy who hits the range frequently. Which brings us back to that need for a magazine loading device.
Any negatives on the alloy cased stuff?
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I would send mine to HBI for a transformation but I suffer from separation anxiety. I'm going to have to get dirty and DIY. I'm anxious to make mine the carbine you all love and I'm gonna do it soon.
Hows it handle the MAL-WART aluminum case Federal rounds? Never tried it in my other 9's. $0.15 a round isn't bad for readily available ammo. If you can actually hit anything with it; that's a plus. My gut feeling is that the high demand for high capacity magazines is directly related to the amount of satisfaction derived from emptying them. Which makes me think saving a nickle to a dime a round could really add up for a guy who hits the range frequently. Which brings us back to that need for a magazine loading device.
Any negatives on the alloy cased stuff?
I sent my pack to HBI for the drilling, springs, shoe, and ak safety installation and turnaround was less than a week!
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Yeah but not this time of year... turnaround times and shipping times are all extended :'(
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I would send mine to HBI for a transformation but I suffer from separation anxiety. I'm going to have to get dirty and DIY. I'm anxious to make mine the carbine you all love and I'm gonna do it soon.
Hows it handle the MAL-WART aluminum case Federal rounds? Never tried it in my other 9's. $0.15 a round isn't bad for readily available ammo. If you can actually hit anything with it; that's a plus. My gut feeling is that the high demand for high capacity magazines is directly related to the amount of satisfaction derived from emptying them. Which makes me think saving a nickle to a dime a round could really add up for a guy who hits the range frequently. Which brings us back to that need for a magazine loading device.
Any negatives on the alloy cased stuff?
I haven?t run the federal aluminum but I?ve ran blazer aluminum and to me blazer is pretty garbage ammo. It?s pretty dirty and the blazer brass actually locked up my P01 when I shot it, it was raining and that dirty ammo got into every crevice and the heat caked it in pretty good, bleep near cement. Anyway the scorpion ran fine both blazer brass and aluminum and hst hollow points and wolf and Tula steel case as well as some 115 grain powder puff loads a friend and I cooked up
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Yeah but not this time of year... turnaround times and shipping times are all extended :'(
Yea I did mine a few months ago :P
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Do any of you guys have the CAM loader? Does it work for Scorpion Mags? More specifically, does it work on the Manticore Arms steel lip Mags sold at Pepper Gun Shop?
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I too would like confirmation from a forum member.
I've not received mine yet but I emailed them asking if they had tested it on Scorpion magazines. Before they responded I had found Scorpions hidden in the middle of their sites list of gtg's. Missed it at first read through. They did confirm compatibility via email in a timely fashion. Hope to have personal testimony soon.
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I too would like confirmation from a forum member.
I've not received mine yet but I emailed them asking if they had tested it on Scorpion magazines. Before they responded I had found Scorpions hidden in the middle of their sites list of gtg's. Missed it at first read through. They did confirm compatibility via email in a timely fashion. Hope to have personal testimony soon.
Please let me know how it works on Scorpion Mags. Especially if you have the steel lip Mags. I would like to hear of first hand experiences before ordering. Thanks!
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I'll be able to let you know on OEM mags next week.
No 30 rounds to play with as yet.
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Please let me know how it works on Scorpion Mags. Especially if you have the steel lip Mags. I would like to hear of first hand experiences before ordering. Thanks!
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RECOMMENDED!
Just hiked back to the house from the mailbox, slit open the plastic mail envelope and cut the CAM from its blister pack.
I fumbled a bit figuring out orientation of loader to magazine but the first 10 rounds loaded great.
I scooped up another 10, pressed the magazine against my sternum. The loader pushed round after round into the magazin as it closed on my chest. Each round just clicked into place....perfectly stacked.
I've viewed a couple of videos showing folks failing miserably. It was uber easy for me, and fast. I'm sure it will only get quicker.
I recommend it!
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Please let me know how it works on Scorpion Mags. Especially if you have the steel lip Mags. I would like to hear of first hand experiences before ordering. Thanks!
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RECOMMENDED!
Just hiked back to the house from the mailbox, slit open the plastic mail envelope and cut the CAM from its blister pack.
I fumbled a bit figuring out orientation of loader to magazine but the first 10 rounds loaded great.
I scooped up another 10, pressed the magazine against my sternum. The loader pushed round after round into the magazin as it closed on my chest. Each round just clicked into place....perfectly stacked.
I've viewed a couple of videos showing folks failing miserably. It was uber easy for me, and fast. I'm sure it will only get quicker.
I recommend it!
[/quote]Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I'll be purchasing one shortly.
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Remember to order the rifle loader. The difference in it and the pistol model is the angle of the magazine to the mag well. The pistol loader wont work with the scorpions mag well.
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FYI guys, Lula has a mag loader for the scorpion. I've been using one and it is slick! It clicks onto the mag and off you go, all the way to 30, just like its bigger brother for the AR mag (this is not the same as the regular universal baby Up Lula).
https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/speedloaders-accessories/magazine-speedloaders/cz-scorpion-evo-3-9mm-lula--prod105839.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/speedloaders-accessories/magazine-speedloaders/cz-scorpion-evo-3-9mm-lula--prod105839.aspx)
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+1 on the Lula loader for evo!
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I've never had a Lula I didn't like. So why switch?
This CAM purchase was a gamble to gain some speed. It worked. I did. A lot of it!
It's hard to make an error with any Lula and I'm especially impressed with the dedicated Scorpion model toggle. The ETS CAM differs in this regard too... but not in a good way.
You gotta hold your mouth just right with the ETS or you can spill the rounds instead of loading them. I also think familiarity will see this tendency (if you exhibit it) wane. There is a technique needed and you have to have a minimum level of coordination. For me? No difficulty was experienced. In fairness, I had watched videos of people struggling and I learned from their mistakes. My initiation went smooooooth. I also profited from watching vid's demonstrating proper technique. But that brings us to the reason for my fumbling for a few minutes on my first attempt.
I had the idea that the ETS CAM would lock into the magazine and wasted a handful of minutes convincing myself it couldn't be done. Once I accepted this fact and executed my first mag load, I asked myself what was so difficult about that?
https://youtu.be/lMSjHoFkQXo
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Finally took the Scorpion out for her maiden voyage.
It was cold. Single digits, but I couldn't wait any longer.
Shot 60 rounds of 115 gr. FMJ Winchester range ammo
without any issues at all. Seems the iron sights shoot
a little low. My Strikefire II red dot came loose during the second
mag. Didn't get it torqued down well enough. All in all it was
an enjoyable session till my fingers started aching. Anyway,
I installed the HB mini AK safety levers a few weeks ago. They
are sweet! Really like them. I didn't mind the factory trigger at all. In fact
I thought it was pretty good. Some creep at the beginning, not
unlike my Browning BLR, then a nice break. Reset was relatively
short and positive. I think it will even get better with use. I'm
not going to mess with it. Love the weapon so far, just waiting
for some warmer weather.
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I know you said your ?not gonna mess with it? but it will be worth your while to pull the trigger pack apart and polish all the mating surfaces nice n smooth. Trigger will still be a little on the heavy side but it?s a very nice smooth pull and a relatively predictable break. A good trigger for a ?sub gun?
Keep an eye out for when primary arms does their blemish RDS sale, $70 for a pretty good red dot that is perfect for co witness with factory irons in the low mount
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My current situation [emoji16]. Just installed the HB Industries Theta trigger on my new CZC trigger pack. Getting ready to install the trigger pack on Scorpion post haste. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180102/cbbaa16dafe348fdbd008509c7016fa3.jpg)
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The Strikefire II that I didn't have tight enough will work real well. It's on a cantilever mount
that is see through. It allows me to use the iron sights by looking through mount underneath
the optic. I felt no grit at all in the trigger and was happy with the reset and pull weight.
I will give it a more thorough workout when the weather warms up a bit and then decide
if any trigger mods or work needs done.
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That?s awesome, I didn?t know that the new strikefire nouns were see through. Sounds like you got a good trigger too, mine was pretty gritty and heavy, about 30 minutes to take apart the FCG clean and polish and throw it all back together and it was entirely different. I will have to give my new spare pack the same treatment I suppose, I was gonna save it with hopes of a binary trigger coming out but looks like that isn?t happening yet