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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: ernie_h on December 09, 2017, 01:02:04 PM
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Every so often I wander over to the czub site to see what's there that's not on the USA site......happened to find this:
https://www.czub.cz/cz/cz-75-compact-shadow-line.html
.....no idea whether or not this is a new model or it's been there and I never noticed it.....but darned if I don't want one 8)
EDIT: to save you the trouble, here's the google translate:
The SHADOW LINE Series pistols are based on the proven CZ 75 SP-01 D Compact pistol concepts. They are based on customers' comments and their demands to adapt these three pistols to a more modern look and more sporty use. This is a modern design of traditional weapons and the use of the features of the world-famous CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW.
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A friend of mine picked one of these up CSL. The trigger is amazing. I have not seen one for sale EVER!
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Thanks....yea. looks like it's been around for a bit (should've done a search first).....but darn, given the way the 99021's sold here and the excellent rep they have (granted there weren't that many).....if it's still on the czub site...heck, send 'em over here...won't be long before they're all sold!
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I was able to snag a 99021 at lgs for $599 and love it so far. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171209/b372578e70135a23fb16acf02b4e8d0b.jpg)
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Why not a Shadow 2 compact? O0
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I'd buy Shadow 2 Compact immediately! I've wanted a Shadow line compact since I first wandered over to the CZ UB website and they are why I jumped on the 99021 batch when they showed up. Held and dry fired a Shadow 2 today and it was amazing! Can't imagine a Shadow 2 Compact, just lust!
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A little background on and review of the Shadow Line. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2206
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A little background on and review of the Shadow Line. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2206
Lust didn't go away after that...
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Good read. Anyone have all 3 sisters in their collection?
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The Shadow line compact is in stock at CZ Custom right now. Just incase anyone on this thread was interested.
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I have the full size.
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Try the P100 from Tristar. Have this in addition to a 75b compact. Both are great.
Texf6
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The Shadow line compact is in stock at CZ Custom right now. Just incase anyone on this thread was interested.
Hi Scarlett....yea, once I saw your other thread, I called Stuart.....should be here today. I couldn't start a thread like this and then not get one...just wouldn't be right :-)
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I want one badly too but I'm trying to practice restraint. I really don't need one and I like my p 01 omega so very much. It feels right and shoots beautifully. I really can't see a shadowline being any better in the real world (aside from the fact that it has a no fbp classic 75 action that I can pamper, polish and upgrade with springs, comp hammer, disconnector, cgw sear, etc). But then the investment skyrockets and it'll likely mostly sit in the safe since 90% of my handgun trigger time is on my sp 01 shadow.
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I want one badly too but I'm trying to practice restraint. I really don't need one and I like my p 01 omega so very much. It feels right and shoots beautifully. I really can't see a shadowline being any better in the real world (aside from the fact that it has a no fbp classic 75 action that I can pamper, polish and upgrade with springs, comp hammer, disconnector, cgw sear, etc). But then the investment skyrockets and it'll likely mostly sit in the safe since 90% of my handgun trigger time is on my sp 01 shadow.
My sentiments are similar on the capabilities of that line. Just my opinion based on the Pazdera article, this line was targeted to the home/European market as an easy-to-get factory upgrade back then. In the States, those upgrades and many more options are already available and we have such fine shops as CZC, CGW, etc, to fuel our needs to make changes [emoji4]
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The Shadow line compact is in stock at CZ Custom right now. Just incase anyone on this thread was interested.
Hi Scarlett....yea, once I saw your other thread, I called Stuart.....should be here today. I couldn't start a thread like this and then not get one...just wouldn't be right :-)
Haha, very nice work!
I want one badly too but I'm trying to practice restraint. I really don't need one and I like my p 01 omega so very much. It feels right and shoots beautifully. I really can't see a shadowline being any better in the real world (aside from the fact that it has a no fbp classic 75 action that I can pamper, polish and upgrade with springs, comp hammer, disconnector, cgw sear, etc). But then the investment skyrockets and it'll likely mostly sit in the safe since 90% of my handgun trigger time is on my sp 01 shadow.
My sentiments are similar on the capabilities of that line. Just my opinion based on the Pazdera article, this line was targeted to the home/European market as an easy-to-get factory upgrade back then. In the States, those upgrades and many more options are already available and we have such fine shops as CZC, CGW, etc, to fuel our needs to make changes [emoji4]
That makes sense. If I had a P-01 Omega I am sure I would have some upgrades in it and it would be comparable. Most of my CZ's turn into a version of a Shadow, or close to with upgrades and work. This helps my lust for this beautiful and rare CZ subside....
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My omega has all of the cgw upgrades. When dry firing, the trigger is excellent but not quite as smooth as a worked over 75 action and it has a longer reset. But with live ammo, I shoot it as well or maybe a little better than my CZC tuned steel compact or my self tuned (but with all available upgrade parts) sp 01 compact. Go figure but the p 01 omega just works for me.
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My omega has all of the cgw upgrades. When dry firing, the trigger is excellent but not quite as smooth as a worked over 75 action and it has a longer reset. But with live ammo, I shoot it as well or maybe a little better than my CZC tuned steel compact or my self tuned (but with all available upgrade parts) sp 01 compact. Go figure but the p 01 omega just works for me.
Funny things like that happen... Oddly enough your P-01 Omega has been only slightly more available than these Shadow Line Compacts. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but not by a large margin.
Anyway, I am really excited to hear how everyone like these Shadow Line Compacts and how they compare to P-01's and the steel framed 99041 and 99021 pistols.
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I want one badly too but I'm trying to practice restraint. I really don't need one and I like my p 01 omega so very much. It feels right and shoots beautifully. I really can't see a shadowline being any better in the real world (aside from the fact that it has a no fbp classic 75 action that I can pamper, polish and upgrade with springs, comp hammer, disconnector, cgw sear, etc). But then the investment skyrockets and it'll likely mostly sit in the safe since 90% of my handgun trigger time is on my sp 01 shadow.
My sentiments are similar on the capabilities of that line. Just my opinion based on the Pazdera article, this line was targeted to the home/European market as an easy-to-get factory upgrade back then. In the States, those upgrades and many more options are already available and we have such fine shops as CZC, CGW, etc, to fuel our needs to make changes [emoji4]
Here's what the ShadowLine is:
In IPSC, the rules for modifying pistols for the "stock" divisions are much stricter than in USPSA and IDPA. The ShadowLine pistols were a way to get some desirable mods to the Shadow platform that would qualify as "stock" because CZ was producing them in large quantities. It basically provides a custom "stock" pistol.
In 2012/2013, Shadows dried up in the United States, they would trickle in, and the ones that came in were typically sold before they got here. So it was difficult to get a Shadow. But there were ShadowLines in Europe, and CZ sent some to Canada and to the U.S.. I think (can't say I know for sure) that CZC got all the ones that came to the U.S.. I do not remember anyone else selling from that original shipment. But I did talk to CZ-USA during that time and was told that the U.S. had gotten 100 ShadowLines, some standard, some compact. Don't know the exact division. In my head, it's 50/50, but that could have been 100% an assumption at the time. I do not know. Could have been 90/10 for all I know.
So that original shipment of ShadowLines it would seem was a way to satisfy a demand for Shadows when there were no Shadows. More ShadowLines came in later, but when standard Shadows started coming back in, demand for ShadowLines dropped, and prices for ShadowLines dropped.
If you want a compact "Shadow" then the ShadowLine is the only option I'm aware of. And by all means, I'd buy one if that's what I wanted, and I didn't already have a decked out compact otherwise that I also loved.
The Shadowline is essentially a Shadow with an 85 trigger, low profile safeties, and a ShadowLine hammer with a geometry at the hooks optimized for a better trigger break. Then anything else they've done to the compact version -- alloy frame, for example.
As to comparing to other triggers? My ShadowLine out of the box, on the drive home, I dry-fired in single-action, and I giggled. Very sweet out of the box. Swapped out the mainspring to 13 lbs, and it got better. If I were getting one for carry, I would MAYBE do that -- add a 13# main spring -- but also maybe not. The break was great out of the box. There would be no need for it. And some might prefer the 4 lb to a 3.5lb break for a carry gun.
My full-size ShadowLine currently has an 11.5# main spring, a CZC race hammer, a pre-B drop-in disco, and I've polished the internals per Schmeky's tutorial. I also have have P-09 loaded with all the CGW trigger mods, and it's not even close. The ShadowLine is far ahead.
As far as the trigger actions go for the standard 75 FPB action vs the Omega action vs the Shadow action, and I'm talking stock configuration here, I'd rank them Shadow > Omega > Standard, where Shadow has a hefty lead over 2nd place.
But once they're all modded out and tuned as well as they can be, I'd rank them
Shadow > Standard > Omega, where the Shadow and Standard acitons are super close and both well ahead of the Omega.
The Omega modded out is a VERY nice trigger action, and people should love and appreciate theirs. I would not suggest otherwise. But it's not comparable to what can be done with the original CZ action whether or not there is an FPB. My ShadowLine is modded as stated above. I also have a 97-BE that was built by Schmeky himself. It's hard to pick between them. They are a hair different, but both fantastic. Both triggers are well ahead of my modded and polished P-09, though.
So if you have a modded Omega and shoot it well, stick with it. And if you have a 75 Compact or P-01 modded out and polished, I wouldn't tell you a ShadowLine would be better. But IF you don't have a CZ compact you like, and you're itching for one, the ShadowLine will be the best out of the box. ;)
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Thanks IDescribe!
But not really.... I was becoming ok with NOT getting one of these for my collection, but that didn't help. Yeah, you said it wouldn't really be worth it if we have a decked out CZ Compact that we already like, but I won't have one of these beauties... I'd like to think I could get one and set it aside as a collector's piece, even as a little investment. Fat chance, I would have to shoot it now after your description. I just need to unsubscribe from these threads to avoid temptation.
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Well said IDescribe. I agree with all of it, have 3 compacts but still want the shadowline compact.
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Thanks IDescribe!
I just need to unsubscribe from these threads to avoid temptation.
.....ummmm, hold on a sec.....don't you usually start them?
[Sorry Scarlett....couldn't resist :-)
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Thanks IDescribe!
I just need to unsubscribe from these threads to avoid temptation.
.....ummmm, hold on a sec.....don't you usually start them?
[Sorry Scarlett....couldn't resist :-)
I know... It's terrible... I can't help myself!
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I caved. I just couldn't hold out any longer. I have missed my compact L ever since I sold it. I hope that after some CZC love, the trigger is at least as good as that gun was. It might even be better since the compact L has a firing pin block.
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I wonder how these would compare to the SDP? I've always like the Heinie sights on CZ compacts, but the shadow sights on this don't look too bad. The grips look great too. I wonder what the reset is like?
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Reset is similar to a factory Shadow.
Given a choice I would do the shadow compact . It is a pretty nice pistol.
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Reset is similar to a factory Shadow.
Given a choice I would do the shadow compact . It is a pretty nice pistol.
Do you mind me asking how many you got in stock?
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Scarlett....you really need to get one. Finally picked mine up yesterday (LGS was closed for vacation last week)....did not get a chance to shoot it yet (except for dry fire w/ gasket), but really looks to be a nice piece of work. Maybe a spring change to lighten up the DA (maybe) but, other than that....at least for my purposes...it seems good to go!
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Scarlett....you really need to get one. Finally picked mine up yesterday (LGS was closed for vacation last week)....did not get a chance to shoot it yet (except for dry fire w/ gasket), but really looks to be a nice piece of work. Maybe a spring change to lighten up the DA (maybe) but, other than that....at least for my purposes...it seems good to go!
Haha It has been constantly tempting me!
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Scarlett Pistol - I resisted for a long time....almost five years to the date when I first held one of these and wished.... [emoji3] Found that post from 2013. It?s here now. Just need to sight it in.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180118/a227d4ed8ba356b919f2f48d5b8c7794.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180118/e7c3530630547b547dd1cc982503f9f5.jpg)
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Scarlett Pistol - I resisted for a long time....almost five years to the date when I first held one of these and wished.... [emoji3] Found that post from 2013. It?s here now. Just need to sight it in.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180118/a227d4ed8ba356b919f2f48d5b8c7794.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180118/e7c3530630547b547dd1cc982503f9f5.jpg)
Dang that sounds like torment, getting to feel it and handle in Prague and then have to wait! How's it shoot?
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Luckily, there were other distractions during that period [emoji3]. Nice stock DA and SA trigger. DA could use a lighter main spring. Decent reset. However, as nice as this upgrade is from the base CZs, one can discernibly appreciate a CGW or CZC trigger job compared to this factory upgrade. It?s a keeper and getting to know this particular trigger in order to get the most out of it is going to be fun.