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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: CanuckZ on August 21, 2005, 11:35:26 PM
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Which would you get and why? I am sort of leaning toward the Taurus in 5" and .45 ACP.
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I own both and love both for different reasons. Both are exceptional guns. ,but I do like the trigger on the 24/7 alot better. In my experience, the 24/7 has proven to be more accurate.
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How many pounds for the 24/7 trigger? Can the slide stop be depressed with the left trigger finger (I am southpaw)? Is the safety just something extra and not really needed if it is DAO?
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The safety is not ambidextrous, the trigger pull is about 5-6 lbs. I am also guessing like you said that its done for Kalifornia compliance.
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Can you depress slide lever with left trigger finger?
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I am ambidextrous and I cannot do it.
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That's too bad. They all seem to make flat slide releases that are impossible for lefties to work. There is only one that sticks out for the Glock as far as I know.
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Hey King is the soft rubber on the 9mm and .40 replaceable if it gets damaged or is it permanent? I am more interested in the .45 any way but I was wondering.
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The indexed grips are not really prone to damage, unless you take out a tactical knife and slice em. LOL (*_*).
Both the Millennium Pro and the 24/7 are great guns, but its all highly personal , enjoy and shoot well.
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This is the one I like. Maybe a new slide stop can be made that sticks out. We can only hope. Also, I hear that Taurus customer service and repair sucks. True?
(http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_PT24-7LS-45SS.jpg)
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Thats the long slide version coming out shortly.
I like the .40SW 15+1
but the Millennium Pro PT140SS is also exceptional.
Not bad for a small package and 10+1 of .40SW
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/wingedliberty/millpro140SS.jpg)
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Also to answer your question about Taurus customer service, I will just say this, I have six Taurus firearms and purchased them all NIB. I always mail in the lifetime warranty registration cards.
A few months ago, I found a 10 cap Millennium Pro .40SW magazine in my mailbox from them (new and sealed) as a token of appreciation. Its a $30 value. Has any other manufacturer done that for you recently. ?
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Is the Millennium Pro PT140SS a KelTec clone of sorts?
I think Taurus does not support the Canadian market I hear. They won't send parts or something like that.
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No, I support Taurus and other gunmakers not supporting Canada, most of their handguns are illegal there.
The Millennium Pros have a 3.25 inch barrel. , I think they are illegal in the People's Democratic Republic of Kalifornia as well. The Duma there voted to dissarm their citizens as did the People's Socialist Parliament in Ottawa. , so gunmakers who refuse to deal with socialist nations, I can't say I blame them.
Also, the Millennium Pros are vastly superior to any Kel Tec handgun.
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We are hardly disarmed....
p201.ezboard.com/fczechpi...=602.topic (http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm22.showMessage?topicID=602.topic)
p201.ezboard.com/fczechpi...=226.topic (http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm74.showMessage?topicID=226.topic)
And most are not socialist, although our current rulers are. Sorry, but Slick Willy was redlib as well.
If gun manufactures have no time for gun owners, wherever they be, then they are no better than the banners, IMO.
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If a large portion of a gunmakers business is in concealed carry firearms who's barrell length is shorter than the state/nation allows, then they are perfectly justified in not doing business in that state, ie. North American will no longer do business with Kalifornia., and I don't blame Taurus for not doing business with Canada.
The people of Kalifornia and Canada elected their marxist governments, they should not be surprised at the results.
Also, the civilized western provinces such as Manitoba , Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia, should form their own nation and ceceede from the liberals in the East. These provinces have a rich heritage of firearms use and hunting, there is no reason why their citizens should be banned from having shorter barrelled concealed carry firearms.
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There are Taurus dealers in Canada selling larger revolvers and Model 92s, 100s, 945s, etc. So they do business with Canada, but by all accounts do not honor the lifetime commitment.
www.sirmailorder.ca/show_...PHPSESSID= (http://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_prodlist.php?category_id=10&subcat_id=84&PHPSESSID=&PHPSESSID=)
The present government is elected by about 30% of the voting public through a complex electoral boundary scheme and concerted vote buying in certain regions and cities. I never said I liked it, or voted for the crooks.
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My experience with Taurus Customer Service has generally been good with one exception. I had sent my PT92 back for it's first broken locking block. They had to cut the barrel out of the gun to get it apart. But before they fixed it, it somehow settled into a corner of the shop and they seemed to have forgotten about it. For 2 Months! Called their Customer Service Dept. and the Assistant Shop Manager found it and apologized profusely. Got it back one week later. This was back in the early 90's and I believe that Shop Manager is gone.
Back around 1998 I sent my PT945 in for a broken firing pin. The PT945 was fixed perfectly and was back within 3 weeks. I believe that Taurus was having some problems with MIM parts and that Firing Pin was one of them. They have since gone to 100% X-Ray inspection of MIM parts and are of excellent quality. I do plan to get another Taurus, a PT909B.
www.taurususa.com/product...ory=Pistol (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=909B&category=Pistol)
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I never really looked at the Taurus pistols, but that 945 and 909 look very cool. Is the grip on the 909 the same size as the Beretta/Taurus 92 series or is it smaller? Also, can you say how the 945 grip feels compared to the full size 92 series? To me it looks like a slimer single-stack version of the full size pistol.
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Out of all the ones so far, the Millennium Pros are my favorite, in fact, I like it so much that I traded in the PT92s for two PT140 stainless versions.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/wingedliberty/davissons140.jpg)
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The frame of the PT909B is virtually the same as the PT92AR with perhaps one frame machining difference. They both take the same magazines.
The PT945's grip is slimmer, but slightly longer, so the feel is different. Mine has the shorter PT908 trigger installed and a Hogue Handall Grip Sleeve.
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/317928.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/317926.jpg)
Size Comparison of EAA Witness .45 vs Taurus PT945
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Are these 15 or 17 capacity in 9mm?
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The Taurus 9mm PT909B takes the same 17 round magazine that the PT92 does, and would also work with the old 15 rounders as well.
The .45 ACP PT945 takes an 8 round single column magazine, and there are also 10 round extended aftermarket magazines made for it. Have some of the aftermarket 10 rounders, but prefer the 8 rounders.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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Any comments about the Ruger KP345DPR?
www.ruger.com/Firearms/FA...8&return=Y (http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=6648&return=Y)
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The comments are that its a phenomenal pistol, as are all Ruger P series centerfire pistols.
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I like the new mag release. I have shot a P85 and felt the grip somewhat smallish and the slide kind of top heavy. But it was built like a tank.
I was thinking about this one, or a Norinco Commander.
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After reading so many good things about the KP345 I stopped by Gart Sports the other night to handle one. It would seem to be a great piece to have if you like or even don't mind a polymer grip. I just don't care for the feel of a polymer full size pistol. For me it's fine for a subcompact, but I need an aluminum or steel full size grip.
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I have heard that from many folks, ergonomics is a highly personal and subjective thing, in the end, make sure YOU are able to shoot the gun well and its an enjoyable and accurate experience. Thats what counts.