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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: dirkdiggler on June 02, 2018, 07:28:39 PM
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Been shooting my FDE and absolutely love it. Looking to grab another one and was wondering how to ID the newer versions. I read somewhere the striker assembly is different. Is that correct? Thanks
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If you look at the rear of the slide you'll see a slot at the 3 o'clock position and you'll also have a metal guide rod.
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Sweet, thanks
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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Lol I was thinking the same thing.
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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Lol I was thinking the same thing.
CGW said they were working on a fix, but he hasn't replied to questions in his own thread that he started. I wish someone would document the differences with pics. Mine was replaced under warranty just before the latest revisions started shipping. I haven't had any problems, but I'd sure like to know what the changes are exactly.
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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There was a thread with a pic of the new slide cuts, I'll see if I can find it and post it here. I'm with you, I haven't had any issues with my striker but CZ changed it for a reason so I'm a little concerned. I guess I'll wait to see one when they show up on shelves.
Lol I was thinking the same thing.
CGW said they were working on a fix, but he hasn't replied to questions in his own thread that he started. I wish someone would document the differences with pics. Mine was replaced under warranty just before the latest revisions started shipping. I haven't had any problems, but I'd sure like to know what the changes are exactly.
EDIT**** I found the pic which had I done earlier and I wouldn't have started this thread lol. The changes is pretty obvious but you can't be sure which you're getting via an online deal.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fu6AZ62.jpg)
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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There was a thread with a pic of the new slide cuts, I'll see if I can find it and post it here. I'm with you, I haven't had any issues with my striker but CZ changed it for a reason so I'm a little concerned. I guess I'll wait to see one when they show up on shelves.
Lol I was thinking the same thing.
CGW said they were working on a fix, but he hasn't replied to questions in his own thread that he started. I wish someone would document the differences with pics. Mine was replaced under warranty just before the latest revisions started shipping. I haven't had any problems, but I'd sure like to know what the changes are exactly.
EDIT**** I found the pic which had I done earlier and I wouldn't have started this thread lol. The changes is pretty obvious but you can't be sure which you're getting via an online deal.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fu6AZ62.jpg)
Yes it's pretty obvious that it's changed, but it isn't obvious what the changes are internally. What I want to see is a side by side comparison that shows the parts that are different internally.
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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There was a thread with a pic of the new slide cuts, I'll see if I can find it and post it here. I'm with you, I haven't had any issues with my striker but CZ changed it for a reason so I'm a little concerned. I guess I'll wait to see one when they show up on shelves.
Lol I was thinking the same thing.
CGW said they were working on a fix, but he hasn't replied to questions in his own thread that he started. I wish someone would document the differences with pics. Mine was replaced under warranty just before the latest revisions started shipping. I haven't had any problems, but I'd sure like to know what the changes are exactly.
EDIT**** I found the pic which had I done earlier and I wouldn't have started this thread lol. The changes is pretty obvious but you can't be sure which you're getting via an online deal.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fu6AZ62.jpg)
Yes it's pretty obvious that it's changed, but it isn't obvious what the changes are internally. What I want to see is a side by side comparison that shows the parts that are different internally.
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That?s my question too. Just to see what I can purchase if need be to bring the Older model up to snuff
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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There was a thread with a pic of the new slide cuts, I'll see if I can find it and post it here. I'm with you, I haven't had any issues with my striker but CZ changed it for a reason so I'm a little concerned. I guess I'll wait to see one when they show up on shelves.
Lol I was thinking the same thing.
CGW said they were working on a fix, but he hasn't replied to questions in his own thread that he started. I wish someone would document the differences with pics. Mine was replaced under warranty just before the latest revisions started shipping. I haven't had any problems, but I'd sure like to know what the changes are exactly.
EDIT**** I found the pic which had I done earlier and I wouldn't have started this thread lol. The changes is pretty obvious but you can't be sure which you're getting via an online deal.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fu6AZ62.jpg)
Yes it's pretty obvious that it's changed, but it isn't obvious what the changes are internally. What I want to see is a side by side comparison that shows the parts that are different internally.
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That?s my question too. Just to see what I can purchase if need be to bring the Older model up to snuff
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I'm curious as well. Mine has a newer ramped backplate(but not newest? My slide does not have the 3 O'clock cut) but my backplate still dislodged from the striker sleeve allowing the backplate to drop so far down that the ramping couldn't even push it back into place. The backplate hung the slide up from going back into battery. I could have just pushed down on the backplate and let the striker fly out....
I do NOT trust my P10C because of this....
This was 200-300rnds in. Firearm is 100% stock aside from polishing trigger components and sanding frame texturing down.
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Even if you could obtain a new style striker assembly you would still have to mill a slot in the slide in the 3 o'clock position.
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Even if you could obtain a new style striker assembly you would still have to mill a slot in the slide in the 3 o'clock position.
Is that why that slot is there, because CZ changed/updated the whole striker assembly?(My suppressor ready P10C has the slot.)
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Even if you could obtain a new style striker assembly you would still have to mill a slot in the slide in the 3 o'clock position.
Is that why that slot is there, because CZ changed/updated the whole striker assembly?(My suppressor ready P10C has the slot.)
I have to admit I'm guessing here. Both of my P-10 C's are old style and nobody has posted a pic of the new style striker assembly. I'm assuming there is a leg on some part of the new striker assembly that fits in the slot to keep it from rotating. Somebody please post a pic of the new striker assembly so we'll know for sure!
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Please, somebody with the 3 O'clock hole on the back post pics of the striker assembly, backplate and back of the slide with the plate off! PLEASE!!
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This^^^^^^
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As requested.
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Thank you Larry!
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I noticed something interesting at my LGS yesterday. They had two P-10 C's in stock.
The FDE model serial # C568XXX had the 3:00 slot.
The black model serial # C571XXX did NOT have the slot.
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I noticed something interesting at my LGS yesterday. They had two P-10 C's in stock.
The FDE model serial # C568XXX had the 3:00 slot.
The black model serial # C571XXX did NOT have the slot.
They are not serialized necessarily in the exact order they're made.
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I noticed something interesting at my LGS yesterday. They had two P-10 C's in stock.
The FDE model serial # C568XXX had the 3:00 slot.
The black model serial # C571XXX did NOT have the slot.
They are not serialized necessarily in the exact order they're made.
Okay.
FWIW the one I bought in Sept is C336XXX.
The one I bought in Dec is C468XXX.
Anyone with a 3:00 slot gun want to share the first three or four characters of their serial number?
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I noticed something interesting at my LGS yesterday. They had two P-10 C's in stock.
The FDE model serial # C568XXX had the 3:00 slot.
The black model serial # C571XXX did NOT have the slot.
They are not serialized necessarily in the exact order they're made.
Okay.
FWIW the one I bought in Sept is C336XXX.
The one I bought in Dec is C468XXX.
Anyone with a 3:00 slot gun want to share the first three or four characters of their serial number?
As soon as I get home I?ll snag a photo.
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Just popped a new one apart at work and took pics to post but obviously have been beaten to the punch!
I forgot to bring my older version and make sure the slide interchanges.
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Any truth to the "rumor" about cracked frames? I saw this mentioned on Youtube, but when i google it I can't really come up with anything. Supposedly It's where the pin goes through the frame and is hidden under the rails where the locking block is.
I guess I'll be able to find out when i install a HB Industries trigger :)
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C546xxx
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Any truth to the "rumor" about cracked frames? I saw this mentioned on Youtube, but when i google it I can't really come up with anything. Supposedly It's where the pin goes through the frame and is hidden under the rails where the locking block is.
I guess I'll be able to find out when i install a HB Industries trigger :)
IDK about that, but on my FDE gun I bought in December the front locking block has some damage. On the horizontal piece that connects the frame rails the left side looks like it has been hid hard. I had to get out my older P-10 to compare because I can't figure out how that could have got damaged at the factory.
Maybe I should pull it out and check for other damage.
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Any truth to the "rumor" about cracked frames? I saw this mentioned on Youtube, but when i google it I can't really come up with anything. Supposedly It's where the pin goes through the frame and is hidden under the rails where the locking block is.
I guess I'll be able to find out when i install a HB Industries trigger :)
IDK about that, but on my FDE gun I bought in December the front locking block has some damage. On the horizontal piece that connects the frame rails the left side looks like it has been hid hard. I had to get out my older P-10 to compare because I can't figure out how that could have got damaged at the factory.
Maybe I should pull it out and check for other damage.
Interesting, thanks for sharing.
Heres the video starting @8:33 he talks about the frame cracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRYTaLGtmA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRYTaLGtmA)
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Regarding the cracks, I?ve got 2500 rounds of 124 grain Speer lawman set aside for the new FDE model I have.
Will see if we can get cracks!
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Regarding the cracks, I?ve got 2500 rounds of 124 grain Speer lawman set aside for the new FDE model I have.
Will see if we can get cracks!
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The frame cracks are underneath a metal part and from what I was told, a very thin piece of rather unimportant plastic. Still not a nice thing to find, but it's not a game change for me. The old striker system is still working great on my FDE P10C, no issues - I did that video about the whole rotating striker deal. It's a non starter for me.
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Stupid follow up question. If I have an older version is there a way to ?fix? the striker rotation issue with a new or updated part? I recently ordered an FDE version from lipseys and if it shows up without the 3 o?clock notch and steel rod, is it worth sending back and searching for and updated model?
Sorry for the hijack!
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Lol I was thinking the same thing.
I wonder what CZ's stance on this will be? I still need to send mine in for warranty work so I'll see what they say when I'm able to get around to it.
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I sent a request in for a response and haven't heard anything... it would be crappy of CZ not to respond to this... I mean heck, if I heard Cajun Gun Works had a simple fix, I'd be contacting them and at least fund a sample for testing... just a matter of taking care of your customers.
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Take a look at the CGW forum...
it's in the works.
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Take a look at the CGW forum...
it's in the works.
Sorry IF I missed it, but whats in the works?
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Not a very encouraging read. I was thinking about picking up a new P10C but now I?m having second thoughts.
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I wouldn't hesitate to buy another... and probably will.
I'd look at a few in lgs's to pick from rather than on line,
I'm quite satisfied with mine, 1500 + rd's and runs like a top.
Even better, maybe CGW will offer tuned P10's
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Even better, maybe CGW will offer tuned P10's
Like this? :)
https://cajungunworks.com/product/91520-p10c/ (https://cajungunworks.com/product/91520-p10c/)
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I have two P10Cs. I have never before owned two of the same pistol.
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I have two P10Cs. I have never before owned two of the same pistol.
I'm thinking about buying another as well. :)
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I have two as well, one early model, and one middle of the road; I trust them both the same.
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Gun show this weekend close to home. Maybe I'll pick up a newer production model there.
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Take a look at the CGW forum...
it's in the works.
Have you heard back from CZ on this?
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If I buy a used early model without the "fixes" will CZ still honor a warranty repair even though I bought it used?
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If I buy a used early model without the "fixes" will CZ still honor a warranty repair even though I bought it used?
I believe the CZ warranty is to the original purchaser. You would have to call them and get this answer from the horses mouth. I know they have have honored warranties to some non original purchasers in the past but that would be at their discretion.
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Also check for the little shelf on the front insert. Early P10s didn't have this to prevent the slide release spring from popping out of position, locking up the slide.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RxdygVHlcPo/WzUZC29bFfI/AAAAAAAABko/JWA6vbChkycoCfnCvK8c48iAWd9pMYd7QCLcBGAs/s1600/0550030001.png)
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Nice, I never noticed that one before.
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Also check for the little shelf on the front insert. Early P10s didn't have this to prevent the slide release spring from popping out of position, locking up the slide.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RxdygVHlcPo/WzUZC29bFfI/AAAAAAAABko/JWA6vbChkycoCfnCvK8c48iAWd9pMYd7QCLcBGAs/s1600/0550030001.png)
Thanks for the heads up Earl, much appreciated! :)
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In terms of online orders, would getting the white nitride model be one way to guarantee you get the newer model with the fixes?
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In terms of online orders, would getting the white nitride model be one way to guarantee you get the newer model with the fixes?
I also believe the suppressor ready models are as well.
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In terms of online orders, would getting the white nitride model be one way to guarantee you get the newer model with the fixes?
I also believe the suppressor ready models are as well.
Suppressor ready models were released well before the slide fixes.
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In terms of online orders, would getting the white nitride model be one way to guarantee you get the newer model with the fixes?
I also believe the suppressor ready models are as well.
Suppressor ready models were released well before the slide fixes.
Really, my suppressor ready P-10C has the updates. :o
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In terms of online orders, would getting the white nitride model be one way to guarantee you get the newer model with the fixes?
I also believe the suppressor ready models are as well.
Suppressor ready models were released well before the slide fixes.
Really, my suppressor ready P-10C has the updates. :o
I just mean the suppressor ready models were being sold before (most/some of) the fixes so you can't be sure you're not buying old stock. Maybe I misunderstood you.
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In terms of online orders, would getting the white nitride model be one way to guarantee you get the newer model with the fixes?
I also believe the suppressor ready models are as well.
Suppressor ready models were released well before the slide fixes.
Really, my suppressor ready P-10C has the updates. :o
I just mean the suppressor ready models were being sold before (most/some of) the fixes so you can't be sure you're not buying old stock. Maybe I misunderstood you.
No worries ;) The only way to be sure is know what you're looking at & the only way to do that is IF your local gun shop has them in stock.
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Check for the 3 O'clock notch. 8)
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Check for the 3 O'clock notch. 8)
So IF you have the 3 O'clock notch thats the most updated of the P-10Cs?
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As of right now that is the fastest and easiest way to do it.
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As of right now that is the fastest and easiest way to do it.
Thanks!
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Just picked up my P10c, it has the updated backplate but no orange ringed sight. :-\ Bought it from Deguns.
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Just picked up my P10c, it has the updated backplate but no orange ringed sight. :-\ Bought it from Deguns.
Same. Got a FDE w/ night sights from Tombstone Tactical last week. 3 o'clock notch is there but the front sight is white.
Oh well, drive on. I'm happy with the pistol. Sights can always be changed out.
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Didnt see the orange front sight on cz's site. Guess they are not for sale yet.
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They show up on pistols here and there - my White Nitride has the orange ring sight, which seems to be a little dimmer for it.
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Also check for the little shelf on the front insert. Early P10s didn't have this to prevent the slide release spring from popping out of position, locking up the slide.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RxdygVHlcPo/WzUZC29bFfI/AAAAAAAABko/JWA6vbChkycoCfnCvK8c48iAWd9pMYd7QCLcBGAs/s1600/0550030001.png)
Awesome.
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Also check for the little shelf on the front insert. Early P10s didn't have this to prevent the slide release spring from popping out of position, locking up the slide.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RxdygVHlcPo/WzUZC29bFfI/AAAAAAAABko/JWA6vbChkycoCfnCvK8c48iAWd9pMYd7QCLcBGAs/s1600/0550030001.png)
Awesome.
That?s odd, my newly purchased P10 does not have that modification on the front insert. It has a test fire date of June 28. It does have all of the other ?upgrades? though.
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Just to confirm, all new models will have the frame tab, steel guide rod and notch? I've seen some models with the first two but not the notch.
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Just to confirm, all new models will have the frame tab, steel guide rod and notch? I've seen some models with the first two but not the notch.
I thought the newer ones also had an "updated" striker assembly?
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The notch is for the changed striker assembly.
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The notch is for the changed striker assembly.
Thanks! :)
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Don?t know if these pics help but mine, I thought, was current production
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Don?t know if these pics help but mine, I thought, was current production
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Awesome, thanks for sharing!
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Any *NEW* updates for the P-10C?
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Other than the optics ready version coming, in soon, none that I know of. I think all the Beta testing has been addressed.
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Other than the optics ready version coming, in soon, none that I know of. I think all the Beta testing has been addressed.
Thanks!
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I recently picked up and FDE P10c, serial C555XXX. For reference, it has all the updates and came with a white outline tritium front sight.
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That is eCZellent. 8)
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Anyone with the latest updates have their RSA come apart?
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Anyone with the latest updates have their RSA come apart?
Nope
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Just bought my P10C yesterday (FDE) and it has the metal guide rod and the "shelf," but no 3 o'clock cutout on the rear of the slide. Serial No. starts with C45.
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Interesting. I will say the "rolling striker" issue is a non issue, so I think you will be fine. My FDE, which was VERY first gen, has operated perfectly for well north of 2K rounds.
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Interesting. I will say the "rolling striker" issue is a non issue, so I think you will be fine. My FDE, which was VERY first gen, has operated perfectly for well north of 2K rounds.
Mine didn?t clock until the 3k mark. But, I was running the lighter HBI striker spring in it at the time and that may have contributed to the issue. I?m only using factory striker springs now.