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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ BREN => Topic started by: AKToday on July 20, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
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If you guys want to see another picture of the new BREN 2 ------ there is one for sale on GunBroker, but of course us peasants can't buy it even if you have the money !!! Just search under CZ Bren and you will come across a select fire Bren 2 for sale.
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Oh, I wish.... :'(
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And the BREN 2 semi auto may be available for us peasants sometime late 2019, according to a little birdie. 8)
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Hmm. Let see... Late 2019. Most likely March or April of 2020 after shot show. That is 19 months away. So, I need to save at least $100 per month. That is doable [emoji4]
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good thinking romukum! long ways off, but easily affordable if you plan for it!!
so how do the magwells work? the ak and ar mags go in the same one? or they swap out? the shot show vid where he explained it didnt make sense, maybe i should rewatch it
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There is an insert in the magwell. You pull a clip then pull out the insert for the Nato mags. Then swap the barrel. See the explanation at 1:35
https://youtu.be/cFcFnDF0Tvs
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Hmm. Let see... Late 2019. Most likely March or April of 2020 after shot show. That is 19 months away. So, I need to save at least $100 per month. That is doable [emoji4]
You'd think, right? :o Don't get me wrong, I love my 805, but something very similar but lighter would be excellent.
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In the last few seconds of the video, the CZ rep says that the semi-auto version will be available in late 2018 for individual purchase.
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I wouldn't bet on it, but start saving now. :)
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The number I keep seeing bandied about is sometime next year for the civilian variant. There's a pretty big thread about it on the AK Files forum.
I wonder if the scheduled Hungarian licensed production of the rifle starting soon has helped CZ out with developing the semi-auto variant? CZUB's main site doesn't even have an actual semi-auto variant listed currently.
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I'm not 100% sure if this has been posted before, but here's a video (sadly in Czech) about the Bren 2. I'm kinda sure it might have been posted before, but I asked about this with the mod team and bumping threads more than 2 months old is usually frowned upon. Besides, the search function doesn't like it when I try and search for the Bren 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvo-HpD7dJo
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FWIW all our distributors are at/near zero stock levels for both pistol and carbine, with "coming soon" listings for the Bren 2.
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Sweet news...fingers and other appendages crossed.
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Sweet news...fingers and other appendages crossed.
Mine too.
Hopefully it's not a case of CZ letting the pipeline run dry too early.
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Right now LE/armed forces orders for the Bren 2 are taking priority. However, it seems that CZ themselves have said that they're aiming at next year for the civilian version to be ready. The civilian version of the FB Radom MSBS Grot (another new 5.56mm rifle that I'm interested in) is out in Europe, for example, though that's yet to have ATF approval for import here. At least CZ would have more pull than FB (a newcomer to the North American market) to get stuff in since they're already established.
I do wonder, though, if CZ licenseing Bren 2 production in Hungary might help with getting the civilian Bren 2s in the pipeline quicker. IMO, that can only help, though right now the Hungarian Bren 2s are being built from knock down kits (like the CZ P-09 pistols and Scorpion Evo SMGs) while the factory in Hungary is retooling (the factory originally made the Hungarian versions of the AK-47 as well as update kits for them).
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Don't forget the US factory in KC that may or may not be quite ready yet - CZ was NOT happy with the guy who let that cat out of the bag early! CZ-UB told me in a different format that good things are coming this way.
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I only heard of the new factory rumors only a few days ago. What would this factory be used for aside from expanding production? Does sort of sound like CZ may be trying to do what FB Radom tried to do with Marshall Arms with the Beryl and Grot (produce 922r spec conversion parts, possibly full NA production to get around 922r/NFA restrictions).
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Completely unknown. I am willing to bet it starts with P series pistols, and then hopefully BREN and Scorpion. It wouldn't be "getting around" anything but producing domestically manufactured rifles in full compliance. 8) But everything is speculation at this point.
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Hopefully it will make CZ firearms more generally available, and less dependent on the Spring and Fall shipments. As we all know, some models are only available for a short time after shipment arrives, then they dry up again. (Not counting the gun-broker speculators that re-list recent arrivals at inflated prices).
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Yes, as the CZ-UB factory has many military and law enforcement contracts to fill world wide, which ties up production for civilian models, sometimes. I am also very curious to see what is actually produced.
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Check this out! Pistol with SBA3!!
https://www.preppergunshop.com/cz-bren-s2-pistol-cz-bren-2s-5-56x45-8-pistol-w-sb-tactical-sba3
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Here is my 11" 762x39 Bren 2 with SBA3 brace.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180908/7549f38bc6f0fd1ce31c4eda5a429715.jpg)
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Beautiful - how did it shoot/handle?
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The Bren 2 is a light gun. 6 lbs with brace. Felt recoil is more compared to AKs.
Trigger is clean smooth two stage setup. First stage is super easy to take up. Don't have a scale to verify, but pull weight is on par with my B&T KH9 in SA mode, which is in the 3 lb range. Definitely not a mil-spec trigger feel.
CG is good. Right in front of the magwell, with a fully loaded mag. Much lower moment of inertia, meaning easy to swing about.
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Some people prefer fast cars, fine wines and beautiful women. I'll take a Bren 2 ;)
Thanks for sharing all the glorious details.
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Very nice indeed, and I'm with him - I'll take a BREN 2, but the carbine when it comes out. :) Caliber choice...not sure yet. :D
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Nice marketing sheet on CZ Bren 2 with some weight/dimensions specs at bottom.
https://www.czub.cz/media/attachment/file/s/f/sf_cz_bren_2_2016_low.pdf
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Question: is there any parts compatibility at all between the 805 and the Bren 2?
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Great question.
I am speculating but it doesn't look like anything particularly helpful will be interchangeable:
Lower - No, different size, shape and mechanisms for trigger system, magazine and bolt release.
Upper - No, different size, shape and mechanisms for bolt carrier, gas tube, gas block, charging handle and sling mounts
Barrel - Maybe, possible barrel and compensator could be re-used
Stock - No, different back plate and stock
Accessories - Yes, sights and possibly side rails. Different bottom rail size.
So, unfortunately just from a high level data sheet comparison it does not look like there is much interchangeability. However, I do think it would be possible for CZ to offer an upgrade kit for the 805 of specialized parts that would address the most common requested features like non-reciprocating charging handle, bolt release and 3 position gas block. That would be awesome but I would not count on it.
Here again, just guessing at this point and hopefully as more information becomes available we can update this list.
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Wonder when the 922(r) kit will be available. Of just wait for the carbine. :-\
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I'm curious, is the lower and buttstock made of the same polymer as the 805 or did they go with a more exotic carbon fiber/carbon fiber-infused material?
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More exotic? The lower is light!
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More exotic? The lower is light!
I likes exotical. ;D