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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: TruckinThumper on July 23, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
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My slide is off being milled for an RMR.
Machinist demand I cerekote it, soooooooo......
I need to figure out what color.
I could do the slide in Urban Gray, but kinda wanting to dye the frame some oddball color that will match with black.
With that said, has anyone dyed their frame?
Pick of pistola
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I was planning to do one of mine a coyote color but just haven't yet.
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You could always get the slide nitrided, it would look stock, and probably would'nt cost that much more than cerekote, I'm having the barrel, slide stop, of my recently purchased P07, nitrided as CZ leaves the chamber, and feed ramp in the white. Myself, I believe that a carry gun ought to be as rust resistant as possible, so those parts are getting nitrided..
www.blacknitride.com
I'd just leave the frame as is, and just get the slide done..
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I've heard of guys using darker dyes to turn desert tan/sand color Pmags into black looking mags. Going from lighter to darker. I don't think I've heard of going from darker to lighter with dyes, like turning a black Pmag into a dark earth, or desert tan color magazine.
Maybe you can do that, just never read of anyone doing it.
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I've heard of guys using darker dyes to turn desert tan/sand color Pmags into black looking mags. Going from lighter to darker. I don't think I've heard of going from darker to lighter with dyes, like turning a black Pmag into a dark earth, or desert tan color magazine.
Maybe you can do that, just never read of anyone doing it.
No, always lighter to darker. There is a bit of wiggle room at a particular color shade but you are always going darker.
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Agree with sOnspark you're going to have to go darker..with the color you already have, I'm thinking your options are going to be somewhat limited.. Black would probably work, Maybe a dark brown or dark green..Or you could just leave it alone, as that's the cheapest option.. The problem I see with that shade of grey, is the chance of a odd looking color coming out with that as a base shade..
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Well, with the newer P07's and P09's you do have a couple of back straps you aren't actually using on the frame. You could actually test up to four "recipes" (one on each half of a backstrap) to see if you can find one you like/want. Then you could ask the cerakote supplier/painter to see if they could match it.
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The only thing I have actually seen are the Coyote Glock 19X turned to black with Rit dye.
There have been many different colors of the Pmags dyed but have not done any myself.
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I?ve never thought about it on guns but I?ve built quite a few self bows ? all wood cut and split from trees? and I?ve used febings die, it?s for leather it?s an alcohol based dye. It?s really good stuff, you could mess around with it on some gray pvc maybe.
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I have. The frame is sensitive to the heat of the water near the picatinny rail so make a block to retain the shape.
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Also,
There are plenty of options other than Cerakote. For roughly the same price as well.
PVD in different colors, hard chrome etc.
ZEV has a PVD in Titanium which is cool.
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Just don?t screw up your frame like I did. I had a Canik in desert tan. I thought the color was a little light so I tried to make it a bit darker. I put it in the color and it did make it a bit darker but not much. So I decided to try a bit longer. I put it back in the same brown color that I just took it out of for a few minutes longer. When I pull the frame out it had turned gray. Not sure how that happened with brown dye but just be aware. David
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Just don?t screw up your frame like I did. I had a Canik in desert tan. I thought the color was a little light so I tried to make it a bit darker. I put it in the color and it did make it a bit darker but not much. So I decided to try a bit longer. I put it back in the same brown color that I just took it out of for a few minutes longer. When I pull the frame out it had turned gray. Not sure how that happened with brown dye but just be aware. David
Minutes is a long time depending on how much dye you put in.
I measure in seconds when I do mine.
Minute+ is reserved for a very purposeful saturated color when I do it. (Black or dark Blue)
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Re: Anyone Rit Dye a P-09 Urban Gray?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 09:40:10 PM »
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I have. The frame is sensitive to the heat of the water near the picatinny rail so make a block to retain the shape.
What kind of block??? What does it look like? Thanks.
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Re: Anyone Rit Dye a P-09 Urban Gray?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 09:40:10 PM »
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I have. The frame is sensitive to the heat of the water near the picatinny rail so make a block to retain the shape.
What kind of block??? What does it look like? Thanks.
It's just a piece of wood that sits in the frame... Acting like the slide would and preventing it from curling inwards.
Like a Lego sized block or something like that.... Just wood
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Also,
There are plenty of options other than Cerakote. For roughly the same price as well.
PVD in different colors, hard chrome etc.
ZEV has a PVD in Titanium which is cool.
Primary machine did my po9 slide in cerakote titanium, the pistol has been in and out of the holster drawing and shooting a couple hundred times and barely shows any wear whatsoever.
Cerakote is a way better application.
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Also,
There are plenty of options other than Cerakote. For roughly the same price as well.
PVD in different colors, hard chrome etc.
ZEV has a PVD in Titanium which is cool.
Primary machine did my po9 slide in cerakote titanium, the pistol has been in and out of the holster drawing and shooting a couple hundred times and barely shows any wear whatsoever.
Cerakote is a way better application.
My preference is PVD of some sort.
I Cerakote myself. Not recently but several guns on the past. Very nice finish with many color options. Color palette is where cerakote wins.
However I prefer the thinner PVD as I believe it wears better. Both wear just fine though.
I also have some hard chrome but have not put them through any real use so I can't comment.
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Of course the thread is about RIT dye, not Cerakote.
I assume that the dye will NOT wear at all. I know Cerkote will wear eventually, and dye is DIY and a fraction of the cost. Anyone confirm that the dye penetrates enough even with a short dye period?
What colors are obtainable with UG or OD? (I like blue/gray Glock).
Back to the wood block - so the plastic may bend INWARD, not expand? Interesting.
Thanks.
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Of course the thread is about RIT dye, not Cerakote.
I assume that the dye will NOT wear at all. I know Cerkote will wear eventually, and dye is DIY and a fraction of the cost. Anyone confirm that the dye penetrates enough even with a short dye period?
What colors are obtainable with UG or OD? (I like blue/gray Glock).
Back to the wood block - so the plastic may bend INWARD, not expand? Interesting.
Thanks.
The dye does impregnate into the plastic and goes beneath the surface. I have tested this with other plastics and scraped away the surface leaving a dyed plastic underneath...so very durable.
The colors - it's a bit of an experiment and you'll have to go back to your elementary school days and revisit the color wheel. Start with the lightest color plastic possible...which is UG.
If you want a blue-ish that is doable. So is gray.
I like to test on spare backstraps and things like that.
On the P09 and P07 the plastic happened to bend inwards for some reason. It surprised me as well. It wasn't too bad. You could remedy by sanding a little.
It's interesting to note that no other frame from any other manufacturer I've worked on has ever disformed. Only The P09 and P07.
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Here are some notes from some "sand" colored PMAGS I did a while back.
Wolf Gray - Use Pearl Gray and maybe a drop of black.
A grayish black - Brown and Black
Going from "Sand" to FDE - (6 teaspoons of tan, 1 teaspoon of pearl gray, 1 teaspoon of dark brown in 1-1.5 quarts of water for 4-6 minutes)
If you are doing multiple parts try and get a timer going and dip these parts in for the same amount of time. Note that you should be washing these parts off in cold water immediately after removing from the liquid. The color changes slightly
Hopefully that gives you a sense of things are like. Very experimental.
In general the process:
1. Heat the water to roughly 170 degrees. A little less is ok but it affects absorbtion
2. Add dye and stir
3. You can pre-heat parts if you want. I didn't. Drop them into the water (suspended with string or wire if possible). Time it so you know how long they have been in there.
4. Pull out periodically and check to see if it's the designed color. Know that once washed and dried that the color may be slightly different.
Notes - this dye really does not come off anything so be careful when pouring it. Don't get it on countertops, floors etc.
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I love the UG color frames, so I would not change it!
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You could always get the slide nitrided, it would look stock, and probably would'nt cost that much more than cerekote, I'm having the barrel, slide stop, of my recently purchased P07, nitrided as CZ leaves the chamber, and feed ramp in the white. Myself, I believe that a carry gun ought to be as rust resistant as possible, so those parts are getting nitrided..
www.blacknitride.com
I'd just leave the frame as is, and just get the slide done..
I am pretty sure the barrels on the P07 and P09 are nitrided already. I contacted CZ about this on those models and they confirmed that they are nitrided.