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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: tomrkba on September 12, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
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I took my new P10C home and cleaned it up with CLP. I lubed it with the same. I took it to the range and fired 200 rounds of Remington 115 FMJ Military/LE brown box. I also fired 50 Magtech 124 gr FMJ. No reliability issues.
Accuracy to 15 yards was good. The trigger is pretty good. However, my trigger finger drags on the frame slightly just above the trigger. The gun wants to shoot right 1/8? to 1/2? unless I am diligent with the trigger. It is on par with my G19?s. I consistently got one hole groups at 3, 5, and 7 yards (10 rounds). Target transitions were easy and rounds went where I wanted them to go.
The magazine release was very stiff but loosened up a bit over the course of the hour. It is currently functional but not great. Dry fire and working the release will help over time.
Sights are acceptable and I should have gotten night sights. The FDE model at the store had a trigger glitch, so I bought the base model instead.
The gun feels good in the hand under recoil. It is extremely controllable and does well with double taps. I didn?t do any Hearts-n-Minds or Zippers since such shooting is not permitted at the range. I got a good feel for it with rapid fire for the most part. Grip texture was on par with Glock Gen 4. It is aggressive enough to secure the gun without becoming annoying over a 1 1/2 hour session.
Cleanup was easy and the process identical to that of Glock. I lubed it with Militech-1 grease. We shall see how it behaves soon with this form of lubrication and some JHP ammo.
Overall...good gun. It is priced more competitively than the G19 and should do well commercially.
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Gripes:
1) Finger relief is needed on the frame above the trigger. I have this problem with my G21/30 too.
2) Stiff mag release.
3) Sights should be centered up better (even the test target shows it shooting right)
4) Sights are decent and the front can be tough for me to pick up. I will swap them for Trijicon HD soon.
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Very nice writeup 8)
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Gripes:
1) Finger relief is needed on the frame above the trigger. I have this problem with my G21/30 too.
2) Stiff mag release.
3) Sights should be centered up better (even the test target shows it shooting right)
4) Sights are decent and the front can be tough for me to pick up. I will swap them for Trijicon HD soon.
Trijicon does not make sights for it, unfortunately.
However, a company in Michigan called NIGHT FISION does.
There is a thread here discussing them.
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I enjoy mine. It's easy to get use to.
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I put another 250 rounds through the gun tonight. I ate 50 Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP without issue. Accuracy continued to be good. I did notice its tendency to shoot flyers
More gripes:
1) Barely any gap between the sight posts. This gun definitely needs different sights.
2) Recoil impulse is likely greater than that of a Glock 19. It is certainly sharper. I think this means CZ needs to work on the recoil suspystem.
3) Trigger needs a more pronounced wall. I think mine stacks just a little bit.
I will compare the P10C to a Gen 3 Glock 26 and 19 tomorrow.
500 flawless rounds
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Sights were the first thing I changed on my P10C. The factory sights are functional, but not what I prefer. But at least they are not plastic...
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Thank you for the continued write up always good to hear.
I didn't think the recoil was different from the 19, but I use that gun at work only, since they are issued, I spend only one yearly trip to the range with it.
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I shot the gun next to the G19 and G26. I have 600 rounds through it now.
Recoil between the P10C, G19 and G26 is the same. The difference is the tang of the P10C smashes the inside of my thumb joint. It is not noticeable unless you shoot 200+ rounds a day two days in a row :) This is why I thought the recoil of the P10C was sharper than other guns.
Accuracy is worse than my G19. I shot the G19 cold and hadn't shot anything in three months prior to the two sessions with the P10C. The G19 has a NY-1 trigger spring and Ghost 3.5# connector for 6.25# trigger with positive reset and very smooth pull. My 10 round groups at speed were definitely tighter with the G19. Something is going on with the P10C's trigger and I'm not certain what. It could be overtravel or my finger dragging on the frame when shooting quickly. Accuracy was the same as with the G26; I have neglected my G26 shooting for at least two years.
Overall, I like the gun enough to order a Milt Sparks Criterion for it. That means it has a permanent slot in my safe :)
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Thank you for the continued write up always good to hear.
I didn't think the recoil was different from the 19, but I use that gun at work only, since they are issued, I spend only one yearly trip to the range with it.
Your life depends up your proficiency with your gun. You should be shooting weekly and attending at least two training classes annually with the P10C. Your call though.
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Sights were the first thing I changed on my P10C. The factory sights are functional, but not what I prefer. But at least they are not plastic...
Agreed. I need to get some Trijicons for it. I will probably do that after Christmas.
Next I will compare it to the S&W M&P 9 M2.0 Compact and full size. I suspect the M&P's trigger will make them prevail (both are very good which is why I grabbed them). I will also compare it to an HK P30SK with Lite LEM trigger, Dan Wesson Valor Commander 9mm and Dan Wesson ECO.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ohkWUIy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nAFsp3d.jpg)
Milt Sparks Criterion for Glock 19 ... near perfect fit.
(https://i.imgur.com/8Zd308p.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uw3b9WH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/C0UTJjR.jpg)
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Thank you for the continued write up always good to hear.
I didn't think the recoil was different from the 19, but I use that gun at work only, since they are issued, I spend only one yearly trip to the range with it.
Your life depends up your proficiency with your gun. You should be shooting weekly and attending at least two training classes annually with the P10C. Your call though.
Yes it is. :) I shoot far more than most, that is for certain. I don't worry about the Glock because regardless as it is my issued sidearm, but as a Lieutenant I don't have to use it but the once a year qualification. As for training classes, there is training and there is training, plus I work for the State, which means there is no money for that. I have attended far more classes than most civilian carriers and have a few friends I shoot with regularly who give some advice and training while we are out there. Two of these individuals train some serious shooters for a living - I am honored to even share the range, much less get some low key instruction. But real civilian classes are far too expensive right now. Honestly, it's the rare civilian carrier that can afford to shoot that often, even if it is a great idea. I shoot often because I reload and cast my own bullets. Yes, in an actual event I will default to my lowest level of training, but I can say it's higher than some.
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I figured out what's going on with the trigger. Slack is removed and I can feel The Wall. After that, there is a bit of creep that feels like some slippage. It is fairly long--perhaps 3/32" or so. Then the pull gets to the real wall and the sear will go once that breaks. I do not feel this if I pull the trigger quickly, but it's definitely there.
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Your description on the trigger press is exactly the same on my P10C. The trigger press on my Apex equipped 2.0's have no creep after the wall. The excellent trigger and awesome grip texture of the 2.0's are the reasons I prefer them over my P10c. However, the reset is more pronounced on my P10C. Definitely my top 2 favorite striker fired poly pistols. I can't wait for the sub compact P10 to come out.
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A subcompact P10C would be great and I'll buy it.
I figured out how to make the P10C do what I want despite the trigger. I started pressing in with my palms. I was already doing a hard push-pull with tight pinky fingers and locked wrist. The POA is also the top of the sight, not center of the dot. It was hard to figure out due to bad glasses and the small gaps between posts. Got it shooting now.
These are quick 10 round groups at 5 yards:
https://imgur.com/llfS4UB
Prior to hard palm squeeze with locked wrists, tight elbows, push-pull and pinky tension.
https://imgur.com/VI4HlER
With hard palm squeeze, locked wrists, tight elbows, push-pull and pinky tension. Dots are 1" in diameter.
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Rapid fire 10 round groups at 7 yards. Unfortunately, I had overpowered contacts in and I couldn't see the front sight. It sorta faded out into like 80% transparency with total blur. The good news is that you can look at the target, place the blur appropriately, and yank the trigger if you know your gun. Targets were 1" spots.
(https://i.imgur.com/W15tOSA.jpg)
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10 yards, same visual problem. P10C works well with a very tight grip. Targets were 3" Shoot-N-Sees.
(https://i.imgur.com/sXQ7lhi.jpg)
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5 yards, 10 round groups at 1" targets. Top left two were from the Valor. Best 10 round group at 5 yards came from the P10C (middle, bottom).
(https://i.imgur.com/gsylbkG.jpg)
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I had done a comparison with the M&P M2.0 9mm guns but forgot to post them. 10 ground groups, same ammo (Remington Mil/LE 115 gr FMJ brown box)
Here's the P10C:
(https://i.imgur.com/btiHxas.jpg)
Here is the S&W M&P 9 M2.0 Full size:
(https://i.imgur.com/aKbUC7c.jpg)
The full size again after tightening up with it:
(https://i.imgur.com/GiD1wAu.jpg)
Here is the M&P 9 M2.0 Compact (I have trouble with this gun's sights)
(https://i.imgur.com/lPpjalK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nm0qcQA.jpg)
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I am using the factory tritium sights with orange front and i live the fact that there is not a large gap between the front sight post and the rear. Everyone has their preferences of course O0