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Title: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 19, 2018, 06:23:30 PM
I find myself shooting less than I would like "out back" just to avoid irritating neighbors (who keep moving into my neck of the woods). So I'm thinking about filling out the paperwork and getting a suppressor. I prefer the 75 platform (carry a compact) and have a new full size omega convertible. Not sure if I should try to use a threaded barrel or just pickup another 75. Thoughts on that and any suppressor suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: CrazyDave on December 19, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
You know what you want of a suppressor probably. Whether it be ultimate quiet, light, fit here or there, easy to clean, POI concerns,weight, ability to use it on other guns, construction...do you want to pay for stainless and Titanium or is aluminum good enough for you?  Need it full auto rated?  These new modular systems are becoming interesting.  Some are compatible with .22 to .45-70!   Not particularly perfect for one application, but one tax stamp and you can shoot virtually anything you own suppressed.  Get in where ya fit in! 
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: John A. on December 19, 2018, 09:27:48 PM
Not sure if I should try to use a threaded barrel or just pickup another 75. Thoughts on that and any suppressor suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.

You want to buy a 75 with a threaded barrel, or you want to buy (or make) a threaded barrel?

For any of these 3 options, the outcome is the same.

I don't have a 75, but My Canik S120 does have a threaded barrel extension for a can now.  It shoots better than my Beretta Centurion (the compact beretta 92/M9) and also more accurate than the Springfield XD40 Tactical with a storm lake 9mm conversion barrel that I made the threaded barrel extension for.

If you're shooting up close, you may not need suppressor sight heights, but if you're wanting to shoot with accuracy better than a 2/3 torso target, you may want to consider buying suppressor height sights for it.

(https://i.imgur.com/mF0XHba.jpg) 

(https://i.imgur.com/0yJkeUF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LpPIatI.jpg)



Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 19, 2018, 10:36:48 PM

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.
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It would be more cost effective to just buy a barrel and drop it into either an existing compact or full size 75; but, it appears that requires a smith. So then, I start thinking about just buying a new pistol that is suppressor ready. So 1) does adding a threaded barrel wind up costing several hundred dollars; and if so 2) would it make more sense just to pickup one already to go with suppressor sights and a threaded barrel?

I also notice P-10c's, suppressor ready, are going for bargain basement prices, but I prefer to carry da/sa rather than strikers. I've not looked into this before, so I'm a bit simple-minded on the topic. Thank you for your input.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: John A. on December 19, 2018, 11:24:29 PM
I looked at prepper gun shop, and it looked like a suppressor ready p10C is listed at $389, which would be easier to buy than convert a pistol.

Suppressor sights are anywhere from about $60 up to $120'ish for tritium.  And a threaded conversion barrel is going to be $120 or more.  So, I wouldn't feel bad for just buying a new gun. ;)
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: Maynard on December 20, 2018, 12:29:32 AM
I've got two 9mm cans in jail right now, my dealer will come shoot with me so I've shot 700 rounds through a Rugged Obsidian 9mm and 250 rounds through a Rebel DFNDR 9mm.

The Rugged Obsidian took it's maiden voyage on a CZ P10C:

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/ukRdOt.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnukRdOtj)

It will end up living on my FN 509 once I have it:

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/t3PRP5.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmt3PRP5j)

Both guns have been reliable and trouble free with the Obsidian with the exception of the suppressor wanting to come loose during longer strings. I have some O-rings to
hopefully help keep the suppressor where it should be the next time out.

Here's a video of me shooting the Rugged with the 509. It's a great combo but we did have an issue where the red dot and the suppressor loosened up. The last shot goes supersonic for some reason and it allows a nice comparison of how well this combo suppresses.

https://youtu.be/kYyocOo3ahE (https://youtu.be/kYyocOo3ahE)





Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 20, 2018, 08:35:17 AM
@John A - Thank you for your thoughts. After thinking about my poorly worded questions last night, your answer started becoming the clear answer to me as well. Oh shucks, I'll just have to get a new suppressor-ready pistol. :)

@Maynard - What I forgot to ask more clearly was to see what types of suppressors y'all have worked with and your experiences. Thank you very much!

I welcome any other thoughts on the topic. Thank you!
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 20, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
@Crazy Dave. You point out many issues to consider, thank you. So, do you need a stamp for each suppressor and is that why you mention modular systems? Thank you!
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: CrazyDave on December 20, 2018, 08:58:11 AM
Yup, you need a stamp for each suppressor, $200 bucks each.  So 5 cans, $1000 in tax stamps, plus the cost of 5 cans, your surely near $5000.  You can by a modular system with one tax stamp, $200 and you buy the bits from the manufacturer to convert it over to whatever gun you want.  You'll get away with about $1500 including a tax stamp with a modular system, maybe less. I really like a dedicated can to the caliber for ultimate cool and performance, but as these modular systems evolve a bit more I think they are likely to become quite popular.   It is all up to you!  We live in a great time to be a gun enthusiast!
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: John A. on December 20, 2018, 09:08:14 AM
I personally don't understand the attraction to "modular" cans.

All it does is shorten the length and make them louder.  I don't understand to what purpose that serves.

Granted when I first started making mine more than a decade ago, my first can was 12 inches long and was probably the first can that was ever made to accommodate handgun calibers up to 9mm and 357/38, but strong enough to fire 308 and 223 and 270, et. al. through them.

A lot has changed over the years.  Yet so many things remain the same.

Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 20, 2018, 10:10:36 AM
When considering the costs involved, it seems a pillow is likely to be involved in my quest to be quiet for city folks moving into my area.

1) If I mention the purchase prices to my bride, she may cover my face with a pillow as I slumber; or
2) I may go movie style and just hold a pillow in front of my muzzle.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: CrazyDave on December 20, 2018, 10:20:20 AM
When considering the costs involved, it seems a pillow is likely to be involved in my quest to be quiet for city folks moving into my area.

1) If I mention the purchase prices to my bride, she may cover my face with a pillow as I slumber; or
2) I may go movie style and just hold a pillow in front of my muzzle.

Hahahhaha.  You can get a adapter that has a $200 stamp still, but will allow you to use a oil filter for a suppressor legally.  Just a little thread to thread adapter is all it is.  I am not saying I recommend this, but better than a pillow or tennis ball, not as good as a $800 can.  Check 'em out.  A pal has one and I hate to say it...but....they work okay if you don't mind a big orange FRAM hanging off the front of your beloved weapon.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 20, 2018, 10:45:40 AM


Hahahhaha.  You can get a adapter that has a $200 stamp still, but will allow you to use a oil filter for a suppressor legally.  Just a little thread to thread adapter is all it is.  I am not saying I recommend this, but better than a pillow or tennis ball, not as good as a $800 can.  Check 'em out.  A pal has one and I hate to say it...but....they work okay if you don't mind a big orange FRAM hanging off the front of your beloved weapon.
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You know, that just might be the best way to go. It's just for backyard purposes and anything quieter is better. I started thinking about it when a neighbor asked if I was running a suppressor. Nope, just started using CCI quiets in my 455.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: CrazyDave on December 20, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
I was impressed by this....no cool points really, but high powered, quiet, and accurate.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsSYngXbCc0
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: John A. on December 20, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
I don't really call that quiet.  That sounds about like what my blackout can sounded like with factory ammo and a 9mm can on it.  I classified the sound as similar to someone banging two garbage can lids together.  And I was not satisfied with that.

If you seriously want quiet, there are a couple of designs out there that really get down into the 114's and so with the right ammo.  That's really impressive if you know that the hammer and firing pin and bolt noise is also in the mid 1teens.

If you want larger bore stuff (upwards into the 30 or 35 caliber range), there are cans and calibers out there that can get you in the mid to lower 120's.

Many recent 9mm cans are more than capable of performing in the 120's.  There are two specific ones that I've been watching closely.  One being the CGS Kraken9.  It sounds pretty dog gone good.  At least on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWmh86w27LQ

Their Nautilus45 is based on the same design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrc3TTXeyk4





Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 20, 2018, 03:11:01 PM
Release the KRAKEN!
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 20, 2018, 11:21:41 PM
Woo hoo! Just got marital permission to swap for a suppressor ready P-01 Omega. https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-01-%CF%89-urban-grey-suppressor-ready-omega/
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: FALer on December 21, 2018, 01:17:51 AM

Both guns have been reliable and trouble free with the Obsidian with the exception of the suppressor wanting to come loose during longer strings. I have some O-rings to
hopefully help keep the suppressor where it should be the next time out.

https://youtu.be/kYyocOo3ahE (https://youtu.be/kYyocOo3ahE)

Be careful with that, O-rings to keep a thread protector from working loose are one thing but, using that same O-ring to keep a suppressor on, could in some cases help you get a strike. Most (but not all) suppressors are supposed to screw up tight to the barrel shoulder. I recommend Teflon tape on the threads. Disregard if I misunderstood what you were saying. I've had a baffle strike and a end cap strike before so I try and jump right in there and speak up.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: Maynard on December 21, 2018, 03:24:46 AM

Both guns have been reliable and trouble free with the Obsidian with the exception of the suppressor wanting to come loose during longer strings. I have some O-rings to
hopefully help keep the suppressor where it should be the next time out.

https://youtu.be/kYyocOo3ahE (https://youtu.be/kYyocOo3ahE)

Be careful with that, O-rings to keep a thread protector from working loose are one thing but, using that same O-ring to keep a suppressor on, could in some cases help you get a strike. Most (but not all) suppressors are supposed to screw up tight to the barrel shoulder. I recommend Teflon tape on the threads. Disregard if I misunderstood what you were saying. I've had a baffle strike and a end cap strike before so I try and jump right in there and speak up.

I sincerely appreciate the suggestion, I'm new at this and welcome the feedback.

The O-ring behind the can would be to help keep it locked up tight. It was a suggestion from a suppressor owner who had similar issues.

One other thing is that these are conjugal visits and I'm just happy to be shooting them. Definitely need to start thinking more about how make sure I'm not going to damage them while shooting them.

The O-ring is small and meant to help keep it tight. If there's a better way, I'd love to try it.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: holidaypf on December 21, 2018, 09:33:39 AM
Hmmmm, also found a suppressor barrel for the M&P45 on Brownells for just $100. I just happen to have a MP45 that sits in the safe most of the time. Decisions, decisions....
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: Dr_Nimslow on January 03, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
I don't really call that quiet.  That sounds about like what my blackout can sounded like with factory ammo and a 9mm can on it.  I classified the sound as similar to someone banging two garbage can lids together.  And I was not satisfied with that.

If you seriously want quiet, there are a couple of designs out there that really get down into the 114's and so with the right ammo.  That's really impressive if you know that the hammer and firing pin and bolt noise is also in the mid 1teens.

If you want larger bore stuff (upwards into the 30 or 35 caliber range), there are cans and calibers out there that can get you in the mid to lower 120's.

Many recent 9mm cans are more than capable of performing in the 120's.  There are two specific ones that I've been watching closely.  One being the CGS Kraken9.  It sounds pretty dog gone good.  At least on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWmh86w27LQ

Their Nautilus45 is based on the same design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrc3TTXeyk4

I've got a Kraken in NFA jail right now.  Just started the wait, so 7 or 8 months before I'll be able to bring it home >:(
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: John A. on January 03, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
Congratulations.

The kracken is definitely in the top 3 of the most quiet 9mm cans I've ever heard.  Probably #1 where detachables are concerned and we're not talking about integrals.
Title: Re: Suppressor Suggestions
Post by: Dr_Nimslow on January 04, 2019, 06:47:48 AM
Congratulations.

The kracken is definitely in the top 3 of the most quiet 9mm cans I've ever heard.  Probably #1 where detachables are concerned and we're not talking about integrals.

Every review I've seen, they sound great.  And for $365 when they were blowing out the ZEV branded ones, I couldn't resist. 

I'm about five months into a SIG 762 can also, hopefully the shutdown won't be long lived, and they will get back to working on processing forms.  One of these days maybe they will get the form 4 wait back down to a more reasonable time frame.