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Title: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Beamy85 on December 31, 2018, 12:17:44 PM
per CZ-USA's website the SA is now marked discontinued.

That bums me out, while not really a competition gun and also with a different slide that made holsters harder to find the SA it's nice pistol.

Thank God I bought one when I did
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on December 31, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
per CZ-USA's website the SA is now marked discontinued.

That bums me out, while not really a competition gun and also with a different slide that made holsters harder to find the SA it's nice pistol.

Thank God I bought one when I did

Maybe they didn't sell well? Being a SAO gun, I thought that particular model would have sold well for the competition market at least.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Maynard on December 31, 2018, 12:35:45 PM
It will always be one of my favorite 9mm pistols.

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Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Mister Coffee on December 31, 2018, 12:49:09 PM
^^Dang. The SA was the one I had my eye on for my first CZ.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on December 31, 2018, 12:53:31 PM
^^Dang. The SA was the one I had my eye on for my first CZ.

You might want to pick one up then. Classic Firearms still has them.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/cz-usa-75-9mm-16rd-black-91150/

https://www.classicfirearms.com/cz-usa-91160-75-sa-46-ambi/
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: 2tango2 on December 31, 2018, 01:05:07 PM
Love mine

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One of the things I like about the SA is the upswept beaver tail.  Much more comfortable for me than the reg 75B


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Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Earl Keese on December 31, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
Never made much sense to me to have a SAO competition pistol with a firing pin block. That's not to say it isn't a nice gun, I just wonder if that's why it didn't sell in enough numbers to stay in the lineup.
Title: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Ruber on December 31, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
Never made much sense to me to have a SAO competition pistol with a firing pin block. That's not to say it isn't a nice gun, I just wonder if that's why it didn't sell in enough numbers to stay in the lineup.
Totally agree.  It also seemed odd that the hammer/sear were standard and not that good out of the box.

I do like the frame though.  I wouldn’t mind having one for a kadet kit host with the lifter removed and new hammer.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Earl Keese on December 31, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
Never made much sense to me to have a SAO competition pistol with a firing pin block. That's not to say it isn't a nice gun, I just wonder if that's why it didn't sell in enough numbers to stay in the lineup.
Totally agree.  It also seemed odd that the hammer/sear were standard and not that good out of the box.

I do like the frame though.  I wouldn’t mind having one for a kadet kit host with the lifter removed and new hammer.
Would be a great Kadet host.

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Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: bgw45 on December 31, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
Not getting rid of mine.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: alcante262 on December 31, 2018, 11:39:28 PM
Not getting rid of mine either.Ive had Hipowers,S$W,Glocks,Sigs this CZ is by far the best (mm Ive ever had.I love the SA.Having said that Im still looking for a Holster.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: alcante262 on December 31, 2018, 11:40:28 PM
2 Tango 2 ,what grips are those very nice.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Radom on January 01, 2019, 05:48:41 AM
I haven't seen one in .40 for a long time.  Anyone have a source for one? 

My 9mm was/is an excellent pistol; the best 9mm I've ever owned in terms of accuracy.  I still use the OEM plastic trigger with the little overtravel screw.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: ernie_h on January 01, 2019, 09:06:35 AM
I haven't seen one in .40 for a long time.  Anyone have a source for one? 

My 9mm was/is an excellent pistol; the best 9mm I've ever owned in terms of accuracy.  I still use the OEM plastic trigger with the little overtravel screw.

Earlier in the year Stuart had a few .40 cal 75B SA's with a CZC trigger job along with a 9mm conversion barrel....when I bought mine, I don't believe it was the last one, however I don't see it on the CZC website....but you may want to give Stuart a holler....you never know.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: CZJ on January 01, 2019, 02:30:57 PM
 I just sold one recently but, I just picked up another for a good deal here. https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/18383/CZ-USA+01150+CZ+75+B+SA+10%2B1+9mm+4.6
 
I went here first and did a price match request.
https://www.gunsmidwest.com/cz-75-sao-9mm-4-6-fs-blk-10rd.html

I found another place that had them for $488! But, for the life of me cannot find it now.

My total was$512.79 shipped. Price match was immediate and within $3. Ive ordered through Bud's before but, never Gunsmidwest so I went with what I knew. These are also 10rnd mags that come with it hence price. Thought I'd pass it along since they dropped them this year. 5 or less left at Bud's as of this post
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: alcante262 on January 01, 2019, 04:16:54 PM
CZJ thats what I got with my CZ75 sa 10 round mags.But it works flawlessly.Oh by the way you havent located a holster have you.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Model Citizen on January 01, 2019, 06:06:08 PM
I have a Don Hume leather holster made for a Beretta 92 full size.
It also fits my CZ75b sa like it was made for it.
As always, YMMV
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Walt Sherrill on January 01, 2019, 07:25:31 PM
Never made much sense to me to have a SAO competition pistol with a firing pin block. That's not to say it isn't a nice gun, I just wonder if that's why it didn't sell in enough numbers to stay in the lineup.

It makes sense if you're a foreign company that has to meet the  U.S. import "points" requirements needed to legally import a gun to the U.S.

That's why the 85 Combat -- which didn't have a firing pin safety --had adjustable sights: to meet the point requirements.

That said, I bought a used 75B SA (9mm) from a forum member some years back, which had been worked over by a local gunsmith, and that gun was so smooth/slick and refined that it was hard to tell there was a firing pin block or the extra linkage in the gun.  It apparently can be done.

Others just remove the linkage and do some work so that timing remains appropriate.  (Doing that is above my pay grade, but they pull it off.)

I liked the straight, two-way adjustable trigger and the extended beavertail.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: CZJ on January 01, 2019, 07:50:43 PM
I mainly bought mine to convert to DA/SA. I really dig the larger mass slide and beaver tail, ambi safety....
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Ruber on January 01, 2019, 07:53:04 PM
Now a 85C slide on a 75B SA without fpb lifter would be nice!

:D
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: JRR on January 01, 2019, 10:34:26 PM
I love my two.  Both 40 cal.  9mm barrels from a SP01 work great with only a mag change.  Kadet kit is a natural.  3 cal , one frame.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on January 02, 2019, 10:03:45 AM
I mainly bought mine to convert to DA/SA. I really dig the larger mass slide and beaver tail, ambi safety....

Were you able to convert your 75SA to Da/sa?
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: CZJ on January 02, 2019, 12:03:26 PM
Not yet
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on January 02, 2019, 02:09:29 PM
Not yet
But it is possible to convert a 75 sao to da/sa?
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: alcante262 on January 02, 2019, 08:48:17 PM
CZJ Being new to CZ.Ill ask the question why would you convert from sa to da.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Walt Sherrill on January 02, 2019, 09:03:05 PM
The DAO CZs I've shot had VERY LONG trigger pulls.  If you are serious about such a conversion, you might want to check into something like the CGW trigger (pull) reduction kit...

I had a Sphinx 2000 (full-size) some years ago which had a glorious DAO trigger, but it was simply much LONGER than I cared for.    I eventually sold it -- since there was no way to get parts that could convert it to DA/SA. 
Title: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Ruber on January 02, 2019, 09:18:30 PM
CZJ Being new to CZ.Ill ask the question why would you convert from sa to da.
The 75B SA has a unique and desirable frame/slide combination.  If you want that in a traditional da/sa polycoat gun, you need to get a SA and convert it.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on January 03, 2019, 04:17:27 PM
CZJ Being new to CZ.Ill ask the question why would you convert from sa to da.
The 75B SA has a unique and desirable frame/slide combination.  If you want that in a traditional da/sa polycoat gun, you need to get a SA and convert it.
With the 75 SAO it seems like you can make a pseudo 85 since you have the ambi-safeties.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Ruber on January 03, 2019, 08:18:11 PM
Kinda... The 85 has the classic tang, the SA & stainless 75’s have the upswept beavertail in combination with the standard length dust cover.  A great feel/balance for slow fire or precision shooting (at least for me).
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: CZJ on January 04, 2019, 10:20:13 PM
CZJ Being new to CZ.Ill ask the question why would you convert from sa to da.
The 75B SA has a unique and desirable frame/slide combination.  If you want that in a traditional da/sa polycoat gun, you need to get a SA and convert it.
WINNING!!!
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: schutz85C on January 09, 2019, 08:21:57 PM
Never made much sense to me to have a SAO competition pistol with a firing pin block. That's not to say it isn't a nice gun, I just wonder if that's why it didn't sell in enough numbers to stay in the lineup.
Totally agree.  It also seemed odd that the hammer/sear were standard and not that good out of the box.

I do like the frame though.  I wouldn’t mind having one for a kadet kit host with the lifter removed and new hammer.
Would be a great Kadet host.

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I agree, I agree, I agree !! That is why I bought the 85C. If needed, I can convert to single action. Beaver tail is not a practical issue in my case. How about the cz75 bull slide on this frame sans FPB ??
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: DogGoneD on January 11, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
CZJ Being new to CZ.Ill ask the question why would you convert from sa to da.
The 75B SA has a unique and desirable frame/slide combination.  If you want that in a traditional da/sa polycoat gun, you need to get a SA and convert it.

I have a CZ85 Combat.  What is the difference between the CZ 75B SA frame/slide and the standard CZ 75B?

Thank you.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Walt Sherrill on January 11, 2019, 07:35:04 PM
The SA frames have an extended beavertail.  The slides have longer frame rails (although if you look closely the longer rails seem to be more cosmetic than functional.  The .40 slide has an opening for a full-length guide rod; the 9m does not.  I suspect the SA frames and slides are a little bit heavier than the standard non-SA frames and slides, because of their different shapes, but it would be a minor difference.

(There may be other differences, but my memory, like everything else, isn't what it used to be.)
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: retteryer on January 12, 2019, 10:11:49 AM
SA slide is basically SP-01 slide without full length rails,I wouldn’t  say it’s a minor difference,weight wise and cosmetic,it is much heavier.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: CZJ on January 12, 2019, 03:33:18 PM
Yes! The SA is about an ounce heavier than a standard B model
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: bang bang on January 12, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
it just make the ones i have more valuable.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: DogGoneD on January 14, 2019, 12:48:51 PM
The SA frames have an extended beavertail.  The slides have longer frame rails (although if you look closely the longer rails seem to be more cosmetic than functional.  The .40 slide has an opening for a full-length guide rod; the 9m does not.  I suspect the SA frames and slides are a little bit heavier than the standard non-SA frames and slides, because of their different shapes, but it would be a minor difference.

(There may be other differences, but my memory, like everything else, isn't what it used to be.)

Mr. Sherrill,

     Thank you for the response and the information.  It was very helpful.

     Regards,
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: 2tango2 on January 19, 2019, 01:55:15 PM
2 Tango 2 ,what grips are those very nice.


Sorry just revisited this post

I believe they are the VZ Frags


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Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: katsu on January 20, 2019, 02:57:17 AM
I heard the tooling for the unique components of the SA were reaching end of life, and given the sales numbers it wasn't financially viable for CZ to get new tooling made.

I had to try three different stores to find one, but one will be joining my fleet in 10 days.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Walt Sherrill on January 20, 2019, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: katsu
I heard the tooling for the unique components of the SA were reaching end of life, and given the sales numbers it wasn't financially viable for CZ to get new tooling made.

What you heard may be right, but that seems like an "idea" rather than a good explanation.  I wonder what unique components require specialized tooling?

The slides for both the .40 and 9mm versions are slightly different than the DA/SA versions, but the 9mm or .40 versions could be used if a SA model was still wanted, and it would be only slightly different, and the slides from the SP-01 or Shadow are also compatible.  The frame itself is cast.   

If you want an extended beavertail -- one of the things I liked about my 9m SA -- that's available in other models such as the SP-01 and Shadow, and those models have a rail; I know that's a turnoff for some shooters, but it hasn't hurt sales of SP-01s and Shadow models.  There's nothing really different about the internal parts of the SA except for the trigger lever (no big deal) and there's no connector -- but except for that, the parts are the same for all 75B-based guns.  (Disconnector-equipped models have a slightly different hammer with one less hammer hook.)

CZ also discontinued the 85 Combat, and probably for what is likely to be the same reason -- not enough demand to bother...
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Earl Keese on January 20, 2019, 10:04:46 AM
If anybody really wants this frame, CZC has the frame only(includes everything minus the upper) on sale right now. It can be found under "CZ Custom Guns" on their website. P/N 99009.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: CZJ on January 23, 2019, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: katsu
I heard the tooling for the unique components of the SA were reaching end of life, and given the sales numbers it wasn't financially viable for CZ to get new tooling made.

What you heard may be right, but that seems like an "idea" rather than a good explanation.  I wonder what unique components require specialized tooling?

The slides for both the .40 and 9mm versions are slightly different than the DA/SA versions, but the 9mm or .40 versions could be used if a SA model was still wanted, and it would be only slightly different, and the slides from the SP-01 or Shadow are also compatible.  The frame itself is cast.   

If you want an extended beavertail -- one of the things I liked about my 9m SA -- that's available in other models such as the SP-01 and Shadow, and those models have a rail; I know that's a turnoff for some shooters, but it hasn't hurt sales of SP-01s and Shadow models.  There's nothing really different about the internal parts of the SA except for the trigger lever (no big deal) and there's no connector -- but except for that, the parts are the same for all 75B-based guns.  (Disconnector-equipped models have a slightly different hammer with one less hammer hook.)

CZ also discontinued the 85 Combat, and probably for what is likely to be the same reason -- not enough demand to bother...
I would imagine the same tooling is used for the stainless frames as they have the same profile as the SA's. And the rail on the SP01 and Shadow is pretty much useless if you're not attaching anything or are looking for clean lines. The only reason I bought another SA was for the frame profile. Its just sweet, and I can make it DA/SA if I like. They really should just make the 75B with this frame across the board period imho
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: retteryer on January 24, 2019, 12:11:51 AM
If anybody really wants this frame, CZC has the frame only(includes everything minus the upper) on sale right now. It can be found under "CZ Custom Guns" on their website. P/N 99009.

$475 on “SALE” is almost a price of a new gun,plus you can sell mags and slide and even make money.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: HST on January 24, 2019, 06:15:09 AM
I paid 519 plus tax last year for a 75 SA.
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: Earl Keese on January 24, 2019, 06:22:38 AM
If anybody really wants this frame, CZC has the frame only(includes everything minus the upper) on sale right now. It can be found under "CZ Custom Guns" on their website. P/N 99009.

$475 on “SALE” is almost a price of a new gun,plus you can sell mags and slide and even make money.
That's why I said "if anybody really wants".  8)
Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: corsokid on January 24, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
Just got my SAO yesterday for 502 with shipping to FFL. Shoot mostly 1911s look forward to the range today.


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Title: Re: CZ dropped the 75B SA for 2019
Post by: corsokid on January 24, 2019, 08:16:47 AM
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