Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
AND, YES, Im pissed, so Im sorry if I come across as disrespectful or rude. Ive been messing with this for about 4 hours and had the spring bust out twice and Luckily found it! Im gonna have to have a second person it seems. Because I decided to try the other back straps and now cant go shoot today because of one itty, bitty little """INDENT"""....I'm upset. A really great way to start off the new year! Im not blaming CZ. Im mad at myself for watching a f'ing YouTube video thinking I could do it myself when ive taken out the firing pin and extractor NUMEROUS times to clean!!!!! Its just the bleep spring tension on the hammer striker.
*edit*.... it's because of my own incompetence that I'm unable to correct this issue. As I forgot to ask because I was so caught up in my own anger, what if any tricks are there to get this bleep indent back in? And, have any of you ever had the same issue? Because I swear when I watch the video the dude just like pushed the bottom Edge against a flat surface and just slid the indent right in and mine just don't work that way. It's like the hole doesn't line up. The hole that the spring seats into... Whatever that plastic thing is called I have no clue. I'm still learning this gun....GUNS, in general. I've mostly taking this gun apart aside from the Mechanicals in the bottom half.....the plastic part....polymer part. Guess I got myself into this mess.....I'll have to figure it out. As you can probably tell....I have a temper and little patience...lol. I can laugh about that because its true! Any tricks is appreciated. I guess until I get this fixed so I can go shoot my AR-15 in my Taurus PT 111 G2 C
Post by: Earl Keese on January 01, 2019, 06:12:20 PM
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Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 06:14:14 PM
Actually, I had to have my sister come over JUST TO SLIDE the indent in while I had the frame upside down pushing down on spring casing(or WTF its called) with a 9/32 gun smithing punch while she pushed the indent in far enough where i could tap the rest of the way.. Must be extra tight tolerances on my P09.
Im sure all of the 18 viewers not offering advice either didn't know how to help OR was thinking....."let this idiot figure it out on his own". Im assuming the later. And, well, dont really blame you...lol. Just goes to show given time any problem can be solved. Patience is a gene I don't readily possess....oh well...problem solved!
Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 06:15:54 PM
If you have a bench block, there is a 1/4" nub sticking up on one side. Put a small socket on that (3-4mm iirc). Use that to push the hammer spring retainer in past flush. You can also partially screw a drywall screw into a piece of wood or your bench top to push down on.
Thanks Earl. I'll let my anger get the best of me and finally got it figured out. I do appreciate the reply.👍
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 01, 2019, 06:41:29 PM
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on January 01, 2019, 06:58:08 PM
If you have a bench block, there is a 1/4" nub sticking up on one side. Put a small socket on that (3-4mm iirc). Use that to push the hammer spring retainer in past flush. You can also partially screw a drywall screw into a piece of wood or your bench top to push down on.
Thanks Earl. I'll let my anger get the best of me and finally got it figured out. I do appreciate the reply.👍
Like Earl posted will be the easiest way at this point.What you are doing is really not that hard but you let frustration take over where logic and patience should prevail.
You also may want to edit out some of the profanity in your posts as that is not generally tolerated very well around here. Just some friendly advice.
Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
And, yes Im a dumb....umm...idiot. I recognize that. Still learning. I'm sure all recognize that.🙂 Baby steps.
Post by: Grendel on January 01, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 07:34:21 PM
Gun block? Hey, let me have it as after calming down, receiving a private message saying my language wouldn't be tolerated and realizing how stupid I portrayed myself......yeah, a bit embarrassed.
I bought a gun punch set thinking was all I needed.....apparently not
Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
Lesson learned, I guess. Glad you figured it out.
Yes, sir lesson learned, sir! 😁
BTW....You can delete this ignorant post of mine unless you want to use me as an example of WHAT NOT TO DO.
If, so, Im fine with that. 😉
Post by: ctxcummins on January 01, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
Just a thought , but I think you should stay away from the disassemble reassemble videos, that will put you over the edge.OP....don't attempt to reassemble a Ruger MKI, MKII, or MKIII if this aggravated you to this extent. Or a CZ75 sear cage. People who have no problem with and even enjoy them are, without a doubt, masochists. I get flustered with some guns as well.Especially reattaching the decocker spring
Glad you got it figured out.
Post by: AVinLo on January 01, 2019, 08:00:10 PM
Just a thought , but I think you should stay away from the disassemble reassemble videos, that will put you over the edge.OP....don't attempt to reassemble a Ruger MKI, MKII, or MKIII if this aggravated you to this extent. Or a CZ75 sear cage. People who have no problem with and even enjoy them are, without a doubt, masochists. I get flustered with some guns as well.
Glad you got it figured out.
Tried to do something without correct tool(bench block) and got upset due to time crunch. Was supposed to meet friends at range. Thought would be more simple than was. Made idiot of myself. Lesson learned.
Post by: Earl Keese on January 01, 2019, 08:09:03 PM
Post by: cntrydawwwg on January 01, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
Earls post about a screw in a block of wood is by far the cheapest and easiest way to do it. You can even put a chunk of black tape or duct tape over the screw head to keep from scratching the main spring plug.
The best advice I can give for working on anything at all.......
If you find yourself getting frustrated..... walk away for a bit and try again once calmed down. Helps avoid breakage and scratches.
Post by: eastman on January 01, 2019, 10:52:55 PM
I put the lanyard style steel plug on my metal frame CZ pistols (if they didn't already come with one).
Post by: AVinLo on January 02, 2019, 01:17:12 AM
I make a fool of myself a minimum of once per quarter, and that's just on this forum. At home it happens so often my wife doesn't even point it out anymore. 8)
Lol...👍
Post by: Kelsw on January 02, 2019, 01:28:13 AM
Post by: AVinLo on January 02, 2019, 01:28:32 AM
No ones perfect, we all make mistakes. It?s how you handle yourself afterwards that makes the difference.Very wise advice, sir and duly noted.....on the frustration. Didn't have the proper tools and needed put back together ASAP.....missed a day of fun at range, but there's always next week.
Earls post about a screw in a block of wood is by far the cheapest and easiest way to do it. You can even put a chunk of black tape or duct tape over the screw head to keep from scratching the main spring plug.
The best advice I can give for working on anything at all.......
If you find yourself getting frustrated..... walk away for a bit and try again once calmed down. Helps avoid breakage and scratches.
Ordered tools tonight. By trade, I install alarm systems, so don't have the type of tools I need. Still new to guns......4-5 months in....much to learn.
Post by: AVinLo on January 02, 2019, 01:31:18 AM
there are two styles of hammer spring plug - plain bottom or lanyard loop. The lanyard loop style is easier to push in to remove or install the pin. If that was the style featured in the video, but not attached to your pistol, then it will look a lot easier in the video than you will experience in real life.
I put the lanyard style steel plug on my metal frame CZ pistols (if they didn't already come with one).
I assume by name I have "hammer spring plug" which is probably why it was harder to reassemble. Its a stock P09.
Post by: AVinLo on January 02, 2019, 01:42:31 AM
I am confused by indent do you mean retaining pin ? By pushing down on the lanyard loop you release pressure on the retaining pin and push it out . To reassemble you have to line up the holes correctly and reinsert the "dog bone pin" ? I am missing something here ?
Its probably "retaining pin". I have no clue. I'm still learning guns. I read the term "indent" and assumed all the PINS holding guns together were called indents.
Again, Im learning this stuff and learning as I go. I have never touched a pistol before July 2018. Im sorry if I sound like a broken record as I keep repeating this.
You just lost me with....'dog bone pin' and 'lanyard loop'. Thinking back the pin that held the polymer piece that the hammer spring sat in that I pushed back up in the hole did resemble a dog bone because it was fat on both ends and slim in middle.....if that makes any sense. 😔
Post by: M1A4ME on January 02, 2019, 07:50:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UztWMBRl.jpg)
I've found the P07/P09 lanyard loop/caps are plastic and will deform when you put enough pressure on them. I try not to do it very often. No issue with the CZ75 types as they are metal/steel.
And, the more you work on it, the more you learn, the better you get at it, the easier it is and the happier you are with the work you do on them.
Post by: AZ_CZ on January 02, 2019, 09:39:37 AM
Post by: AVinLo on January 02, 2019, 07:51:39 PM
One of the "tools" in my gun tool box is this piece of wood. See the little screw sticking up out of the wood? Makes it easy to set the main spring "cap" on and then push downwards to line up the holes in the frame and the slot in the cap so the pin can be pushed back in.
(https://i.imgur.com/UztWMBRl.jpg)
I've found the P07/P09 lanyard loop/caps are plastic and will deform when you put enough pressure on them. I try not to do it very often. No issue with the CZ75 types as they are metal/steel.
And, the more you work on it, the more you learn, the better you get at it, the easier it is and the happier you are with the work you do on them.
I actually tried a screw head I drilled into work bench, but kept slipping off probably due to excess oil on bottom and was round head screw. I should have used a hex head(flat top). I also had the screw head to close to edge, but was in a hurry and was to lazy to clean bench......ugghh...stupidity on my part.
Here was the screw I had drilled in...
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Post by: M1A4ME on January 02, 2019, 08:08:54 PM
I actually have a round head screw screwed in between a couple 2X4's by my garage door, for a similar purpose. Since it's parallel to the ground/floor it makes it easier to see/use when I'm standing there with the pistol in my hand looking downwards on it.
Post by: IDescribe on January 02, 2019, 08:31:20 PM
Post by: Mercs on January 02, 2019, 11:30:14 PM
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Post by: DWARREN on January 03, 2019, 01:27:06 PM
Do the reverse for replacing.
Post by: PX150 on January 03, 2019, 02:16:06 PM
Post by: gb6491 on January 04, 2019, 03:48:18 PM
That's it :)I am confused by indent do you mean retaining pin ? By pushing down on the lanyard loop you release pressure on the retaining pin and push it out . To reassemble you have to line up the holes correctly and reinsert the "dog bone pin" ? I am missing something here ?
Its probably "retaining pin". I have no clue. I'm still learning guns. I read the term "indent" and assumed all the PINS holding guns together were called indents.
Again, Im learning this stuff and learning as I go. I have never touched a pistol before July 2018. Im sorry if I sound like a broken record as I keep repeating this.
You just lost me with....'dog bone pin' and 'lanyard loop'. Thinking back the pin that held the polymer piece that the hammer spring sat in that I pushed back up in the hole did resemble a dog bone because it was fat on both ends and slim in middle.....if that makes any sense. 😔
As others have mentioned, I find the lanyard loop plug does make installation of the pin easier. I put one in my P-09:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3ThSmch/sp1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sx5zf1XY/sp2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 04, 2019, 04:11:34 PM
Post by: AVinLo on January 05, 2019, 12:59:46 AM
That's it :)I am confused by indent do you mean retaining pin ? By pushing down on the lanyard loop you release pressure on the retaining pin and push it out . To reassemble you have to line up the holes correctly and reinsert the "dog bone pin" ? I am missing something here ?
Its probably "retaining pin". I have no clue. I'm still learning guns. I read the term "indent" and assumed all the PINS holding guns together were called indents.
Again, Im learning this stuff and learning as I go. I have never touched a pistol before July 2018. Im sorry if I sound like a broken record as I keep repeating this.
You just lost me with....'dog bone pin' and 'lanyard loop'. Thinking back the pin that held the polymer piece that the hammer spring sat in that I pushed back up in the hole did resemble a dog bone because it was fat on both ends and slim in middle.....if that makes any sense. 😔
As others have mentioned, I find the lanyard loop plug does make installation of the pin easier. I put one in my P-09:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3ThSmch/sp1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sx5zf1XY/sp2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg
(https://s15.directupload.net/images/190105/jaqcueuj.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net)
Quite a difference in your P09 and mine. How would I go about getting that tip or extension on the barrel?
Post by: AVinLo on January 05, 2019, 01:02:43 AM
Just got gun block in. So, here's my 'little slice of heaven'.......in disarray...lol. Cleaning my AR15 from last night's range time.
Post by: M1A4ME on January 05, 2019, 06:43:25 AM
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 05, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
AVinLo, it does my heart good to see a bench that looks like mine. Thank you.just curious 2 BCG'S on your workbench what toys do they go to?
Post by: gb6491 on January 07, 2019, 12:20:38 PM
My P-09 came with an extended and threaded barrel. The thread protector is just something smaller than the OEM version.That's it :)I am confused by indent do you mean retaining pin ? By pushing down on the lanyard loop you release pressure on the retaining pin and push it out . To reassemble you have to line up the holes correctly and reinsert the "dog bone pin" ? I am missing something here ?
Its probably "retaining pin". I have no clue. I'm still learning guns. I read the term "indent" and assumed all the PINS holding guns together were called indents.
Again, Im learning this stuff and learning as I go. I have never touched a pistol before July 2018. Im sorry if I sound like a broken record as I keep repeating this.
You just lost me with....'dog bone pin' and 'lanyard loop'. Thinking back the pin that held the polymer piece that the hammer spring sat in that I pushed back up in the hole did resemble a dog bone because it was fat on both ends and slim in middle.....if that makes any sense. 😔
As others have mentioned, I find the lanyard loop plug does make installation of the pin easier. I put one in my P-09:
(https://i.postimg.cc/sx5zf1XY/sp2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Regards,
Greg
(https://s15.directupload.net/images/190105/jaqcueuj.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net)
Quite a difference in your P09 and mine. How would I go about getting that tip or extension on the barrel?
Regards,
Greg
Post by: AVinLo on January 07, 2019, 05:59:39 PM
AVinLo, it does my heart good to see a bench that looks like mine. Thank you.just curious 2 BCG'S on your workbench what toys do they go to?
Im sorry, sir......dont know the term 'BCG'. What is a BCG?
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Post by: Jav_eee on January 07, 2019, 06:31:31 PM
AVinLo, it does my heart good to see a bench that looks like mine. Thank you.just curious 2 BCG'S on your workbench what toys do they go to?
Im sorry, sir......dont know the term 'BCG'. What is a BCG?
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It stands for ?bolt carrier group?. The thingy that cycles the bullets in an AR.
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Post by: M1A4ME on January 07, 2019, 06:47:29 PM
The smaller piece with the gas rings, ejector, extractor and locking lugs is called a bolt.
Together they are the bolt carrier group. I hate acronyms, most of the time.
Post by: Jav_eee on January 07, 2019, 06:57:20 PM
Alvin, I believe the long hollow piece is called a bolt carrier.
The smaller piece with the gas rings, ejector, extractor and locking lugs is called a bolt.
Together they are the bolt carrier group. I hate acronyms, most of the time.
If you?re talking about the tube where the stock rides on that?s called the buffer tube. It holds the Buffer and spring that ?catch? the BCG when a round is fired.
The ?bolt? and all its parts that you described is the BCG.
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Post by: AVinLo on January 07, 2019, 07:38:35 PM
Lol....I'm not good with 'acronyms'.....SMH, at myself!AVinLo, it does my heart good to see a bench that looks like mine. Thank you.just curious 2 BCG'S on your workbench what toys do they go to?
Im sorry, sir......dont know the term 'BCG'. What is a BCG?
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It stands for ?bolt carrier group?. The thingy that cycles the bullets in an AR.
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I on have 1 BCG and that's to my AR-15. S&W M&P Sport 2 16" barrel. When I took that pic I had it broken down for a full cleaning. I'm soon to get a CMMG .22 caliber conversion kit for my AR-15 .223/5.56. It will be strictly for target practice, but should save me a fortune in two to three rounds just planking for fun we're shooting at the range. I have a buddy that has a buddy that has an FFL license and owns a small Gun Shop or maybe even just a Gun Supply, but I'm getting his discount and getting that conversion kit for $136. Not too bad on savings but every little bit helps you know?
That said I was at Academy Sports yesterday and bought a ton of stuff probably $200 worth of knick knacks, but my best purchase was my rifle stand so I can get it sighted in.
(https://s15.directupload.net/images/190108/49hnh7t5.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net) (https://s15.directupload.net/images/190108/gcqzj5jm.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net) (https://s15.directupload.net/images/190108/699xl4ma.jpg) (https://www.directupload.net)
Technically that will be my 2nd BCG...
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Post by: AVinLo on January 07, 2019, 08:14:24 PM
Also I bent the little lock ring and trying to fix it right now to get it the fit on their snuggly. Just goes to show reading assembly directions definitely helps.
Post by: M1A4ME on January 07, 2019, 09:10:36 PM
https://www.dsarms.com/p-15797-dsa-ar15-m16-cut-bolt-carrier-assembly-only-no-bolt-included.aspx
link to a bolt at DS Arms. Has the extractor, ejector, gas rings, etc.
https://www.dsarms.com/p-15798-dsa-ar15-complete-bolt-head-assembly-mpi.aspx
Link to a bolt carrier group at DS Arms bolt carrier, bolt, firing pin, cam pin, etc.
https://www.dsarms.com/p-15793-dsa-ar15-m16-type-complete-bolt-carrier-group-556-223-300-blk.aspx
Post by: AVinLo on January 08, 2019, 01:08:17 AM
Link to a picture of a bolt carrier at DS Arms. It's hollow, not the same diameter all the way through, but it's hollow.AWESOME! Im gonna grab me a spare BCG(like in bottom link) when get extra funds.
https://www.dsarms.com/p-15797-dsa-ar15-m16-cut-bolt-carrier-assembly-only-no-bolt-included.aspx
link to a bolt at DS Arms. Has the extractor, ejector, gas rings, etc.
https://www.dsarms.com/p-15798-dsa-ar15-complete-bolt-head-assembly-mpi.aspx
Link to a bolt carrier group at DS Arms bolt carrier, bolt, firing pin, cam pin, etc.
https://www.dsarms.com/p-15793-dsa-ar15-m16-type-complete-bolt-carrier-group-556-223-300-blk.aspx
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Post by: M1A4ME on January 08, 2019, 06:15:59 AM
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 09, 2019, 06:01:12 PM
If you check around you can probably find it even cheaper. It's a great product.
https://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-556-Nickel-Boron-Bolt-Carrier-Group-APRH100070C.htm?categoryId=-1
Post by: AVinLo on January 09, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
I have an aero Precision AR-15 pistol with this bolt carrier group. If you don't like cleaning the BCG this is the one to have, stays very clean. YouTube will tell you all about it.OH WOW, DOC 1500....I definitely love the look of it and then to not have to clean as much is the bonus that warrants the price tag....imho.
If you check around you can probably find it even cheaper. It's a great product.
https://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-556-Nickel-Boron-Bolt-Carrier-Group-APRH100070C.htm?categoryId=-1
Let me ask this though. Will the high heat cause any discoloration on that beautiful shiny BCG? From cleaning the slide on my Taurus PT111 it was definitely easier to see where to clean because the carbon doesn't blend in with the black. Not a biggie though, I'm definitely adding 1 - Aero Precision BCG to my list of gun parts for 2019. Thanks, bud....appreciate you showing me this.
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Post by: AVinLo on January 09, 2019, 07:27:04 PM
Alvin, I got two from DSA for $60 each a couple weeks ago. Yeah, complete, the whole thing. And then (of course) Palmetto State Armory put theirs on sale for $50 each a couple days ago. That's the lowest price I've ever seen on a bolt carrier group. I've got several PSA bolts, never had an issue with any of them.I'll probably also grab one of these also as well as a bolt. Also need to get some of those small 'O-rings' that go in bolt extractor.
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Post by: M1A4ME on January 09, 2019, 07:38:57 PM
Lately I've been buying pins, springs, firing pins, gas rings, etc., etc. Every so often I give one of the kids a back of spare parts and tell them to put the parts where they can find them in case they ever break anything.
Post by: CCWLearner on January 15, 2019, 04:38:26 AM