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Title: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: besteff on January 13, 2019, 11:06:24 PM
Just purchased my first CZ this past weekend, the urban grey Shadow 2. I was only looking for a new home defense gun and was interested in checking out CZs options. At first, I was wanting the new P10c, but since this wasn't for carry, I became more interested in a full size, hammer-fired 9mm. I visited a local shop with a good selection of CZs and finally decided on the Shadow 2.

Here was part of my thinking: before I visited the shop I was heavily leaning towards ordering a CGW's SP-01 with the Pro Package. This would have cost me $1038 plus about $40 shipping plus about $40 transfer at my FFL. Total would be about $1118. The Shadow 2 was $1100 (brand new) plus sales tax of 7% for a total of $1177. So for a $59 difference, I figured the Shadow 2 was the best decision since there's no telling how easy it will be in the future to pick one up at that price, whereas I can most likely always find an SP-01 and have the work done to it (if necessary).

Anyway. I realize lots of folks make the claim "the Shadow 2 is for competition". Did anyone else pick one up not for competition, but for home defense or even carry? If so, did you find the need for any further modifications for such purposes? (I have no plans to carry this - strictly home defense/bedside gun) I wasn't sure about the sight arrangement, having only the fiber optic front and black rear. Might it be better to go with front and rear night sights?
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on January 13, 2019, 11:17:13 PM
My bedside pistol is a Cz 75 Compact 99021 that I’ve modified to be like a Shadow 2. Including removing the firing pin block system. I have a red dot site and light on it. I wouldn’t hesitate to put a Shadow 2 into that role if I bought one (which I want to do).

Everyone has their preferences and I would imagine most use their Shadow 2’s for competition. But your logic makes sense to me and I’ve done something similar.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Smitty79 on January 14, 2019, 06:15:16 AM
My bedside pistol is a Cz 75 Compact 99021 that I’ve modified to be like a Shadow 2. Including removing the firing pin block system. I have a red dot site and light on it. I wouldn’t hesitate to put a Shadow 2 into that role if I bought one (which I want to do).

Everyone has their preferences and I would imagine most use their Shadow 2’s for competition. But your logic makes sense to me and I’ve done something similar.

I regularly read stuff by Mas Ayoob, one of the better known firearms trainers and self defense expert witnesses, and he would state that you are opening yourself up to huge problems if you ever have to defend yourself with a gun with any safety system disabled.  You are opening yourself up to lawsuits and overzealous prosecutors.   Yes, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.   But don't make it easy for them

I shoot a CZC Shadow for competition.   When I do annual maintenance, I use CGW parts.   It has a wonderful trigger.   But I have an M&P on my hip and on my night stand (I shoot this in IDPA all stock but sights) and a P10C ORS on order to see if it is a better way to go for self defense.   A 75 compact would be wonderful for self defense.   Get some education on the legal impact of modification before relying on it.   Reading Mas Ayoob and Andrew Branca is a good place to start
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Earl Keese on January 14, 2019, 06:27:40 AM
I don't see a problem using a Shadow 2 for home defense. With a light I don't think the f/o front sight would be a problem. I keep a P-07 w/mag extensions for HD, but only because my wife prefers it. Otherwise I'd prefer a steel frame hammer fired pistol for that purpose. Not to derail the thread, but Mas Ayoob has been making that claim for years w/o citing a single case for precedent.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: beanz2 on January 14, 2019, 08:59:48 AM
I keep a stock SP-01 at bedside at my place in CA just because that is all I can afford to sit languishing in some police department’s evidence locker for months.  The PD always confiscates weapons used for self defense, no matter how straightforward the case may be. 

In my home in NV, I keep a Sig Rattler with a can because the SD is a lot more people friendly and humans aren’t the only creatures that break in.

Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: GeneticallySwiss on January 14, 2019, 09:20:34 AM
Would it work?  Sure. Are there better, less expensive options purpose made by CZ?  Absolutely.


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Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on January 14, 2019, 10:47:57 AM
My bedside pistol is a Cz 75 Compact 99021 that I’ve modified to be like a Shadow 2. Including removing the firing pin block system. I have a red dot site and light on it. I wouldn’t hesitate to put a Shadow 2 into that role if I bought one (which I want to do).

Everyone has their preferences and I would imagine most use their Shadow 2’s for competition. But your logic makes sense to me and I’ve done something similar.

I regularly read stuff by Mas Ayoob, one of the better known firearms trainers and self defense expert witnesses, and he would state that you are opening yourself up to huge problems if you ever have to defend yourself with a gun with any safety system disabled.  You are opening yourself up to lawsuits and overzealous prosecutors.   Yes, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.   But don't make it easy for them

I shoot a CZC Shadow for competition.   When I do annual maintenance, I use CGW parts.   It has a wonderful trigger.   But I have an M&P on my hip and on my night stand (I shoot this in IDPA all stock but sights) and a P10C ORS on order to see if it is a better way to go for self defense.   A 75 compact would be wonderful for self defense.   Get some education on the legal impact of modification before relying on it.   Reading Mas Ayoob and Andrew Branca is a good place to start

Thanks for looking out for me.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: besteff on January 14, 2019, 11:02:17 AM
Well, I didn't really need an excuse to acquire another CZ, but I have to happily agree that a 75 or SP-01 will make a better bedside/HD gun.  ;D

However, keep in mind that my original intent was to find a less expensive option (P10c) but once I discovered how nice the steel CZs are, that became more desirable to me. I ended up with the Shadow due to the circumstances described.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: sleepyhead on January 14, 2019, 11:12:31 AM

I think many people make the claim "that XXX is for competition" mainly because they are referring to the fact that you can get something perhaps cheaper for home defense, and that XXX that you are looking at has some bells and whistles that are suited towards competition but might not give you much benefit in home defense.

That being said in my opinion anything that helps you shoot accurately and fast, well that can't hurt right? Use what you have.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Chuck James on January 14, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
When trying to defend loved ones.....belt fed is better, a sharp stick would be worse.

So I guess you are right about in the middle.
 
Good choice!!!  ;D

I picked up a SP01 tactical for the same reason/purpose.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: kmanick on January 14, 2019, 10:33:22 PM
I do , I swap out my milled CO slide and put the production one back on with a light.
I shoot this thing super accurately ....why wouldn't I use it LOL!
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: DWARREN on January 15, 2019, 05:51:39 AM
As long as you are comfortable with using it that way then there should be no problem. Have fun and be safe.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: EDCzechnology on January 17, 2019, 12:36:06 AM
I have been told that I am crazy but I carry my diy cajunized S2 everyday hammer down safety off, appendix carry in a JM custom kydex holster and either a thick leather belt or a Brown Coat tactical riggers belt. I have no problems with concealment I started out with a P09 AIWB, then the Phantom, then the Tactical and now the S2. I have no issue with the weight utilizing the proper supporting equipment either. In the end its your choice, do what makes you happy.   :)
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: scroadkill on January 17, 2019, 07:28:06 AM
Did anyone else pick one up not for competition, but for home defense or even carry? If so, did you find the need for any further modifications for such purposes? (I have no plans to carry this - strictly home defense/bedside gun) I wasn't sure about the sight arrangement, having only the fiber optic front and black rear. Might it be better to go with front and rear night sights?

s2 for home defense.. sure why not .. holds lots of  bullets - making practice fun. personally I like a few more layers when thinking of home defense.. driveway sensors, cameras, motion lights, German shepherds inside and out, and loaded handguns distributed around the house..  shot guns and long guns staged for escalation and fall back plans. 
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: IDescribe on January 17, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
The biggest issue I see with the S2 for home defense is the fiber optic front sight.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: BRASF0311 on January 18, 2019, 08:54:09 AM
I purchased a Shadow 2 in hopes that IDPA will soon let us use them in competition, but as of now, it has a light on it and fills the role of home defense.

If I were a SWAT or Spec Ops guy, I would look into the Shadow 2 as a carry option, because who wouldn't wan't to carry the best gun that woks for them, especially when concealment isn't a concern.

I would recommend removing the recoil spring shock buffer when not on the range, as to reduce a possible point of failure, should one come apart and lock up the gun during operation.
I have never seen, or had this happen, but it has been a common recommendation with 1911's and their after market shok buffs.

The fiber optic sights work well for me when the gun has a light attached, or I hold my hand held light next to my head. This aids in a natural way to keep the light pointed where i'm looking, and puts your support arm in a blocking position.

I've replaced all my night sights with fiber optic sights, because I found that night sights suck in outdoor dawn and dusk lighting conditions.
Ambient light is bright enough to eliminate the glow from the sight, yet is to low to easily acquire a sight picture from the iron sights.
This is what I have found that works for me, and others will have different preferences, so practice with what you have, to make sure it works for you.

As a side note; I would like to ask what the experienced members on the forum would recommend for the spring set up in the Shadow 2, for super reliable use with all 9mm ammo.

Since the Shadow 2 is designed for competition, I would assume that lighter springs are used, than what one would find in a regular 75B, and heavier springs may be more reliable for primer strikes and overall operation.

Thanks


Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: IDescribe on January 18, 2019, 05:53:56 PM
I would like to ask what the experienced members on the forum would recommend for the spring set up in the Shadow 2, for super reliable use with all 9mm ammo.

This doesn't exist.   You tune the springs to the load, and there is a HUGE range of loads.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: besteff on January 19, 2019, 12:17:35 PM
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The biggest issue I see with the S2 for home defense is the fiber optic front sight.

I was just thinking about this the other night while watching a vid where the reviewer brought up the fiber optic front sight and how it changes in different lighting conditions. I've never had a fiber optic on one of my guns, so I never even considered this when I got the Shadow 2. I think what I'll do is get a light for it. I've been eyeing the OLight PL-Mini.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Stojanovich on January 19, 2019, 09:51:08 PM
No reason why you couldn't.  The question is, why would you when there's so many better options available?  I prefer something a bit more compact and not as unwieldy as the Shadow 2.  I rotate between an HK VP9SK, Walther PPQ 45 and CZ 75 Compact PCR as my nightstand pistols and am fairly proficient and completely confident in all three's ability to get the job done.  I relegate my Shadow SP-01 and Shadow 2's to range fun and my clubs casual competitions but that's not to say I wouldn't use one for home defense if the situation arose. 
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Wrecks on January 23, 2019, 11:11:44 PM
Could have gotten a Glock for 1/3 the cost and had the same level of protection.

What you did was buy a Ferrari to do a minivan's job. Sure it's cool but it's a huge waste.


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Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: besteff on January 24, 2019, 04:31:17 PM
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Could have gotten a Glock for 1/3 the cost and had the same level of protection

So you're on the CZ Forum to promote Glocks?

It isn't about the level of protection - there are thousands of firearms that can fit the role. If you read my initial posting, I ended up with the Shadow under certain circumstances. Now that I have it, I was simply curious if others use it for HD. Part of my curiosity is because so many describe the Shadow as a "competition" gun, as though that's its only purpose.

So ya, I could've gotten a Hi-Point too instead of "wasting" money on a more "expensive" Glock. "Expensive" is relative.

But I do have the Glock 43 for my carry gun.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Wrecks on January 24, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
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Could have gotten a Glock for 1/3 the cost and had the same level of protection

So you're on the CZ Forum to promote Glocks?

It isn't about the level of protection - there are thousands of firearms that can fit the role. If you read my initial posting, I ended up with the Shadow under certain circumstances. Now that I have it, I was simply curious if others use it for HD. Part of my curiosity is because so many describe the Shadow as a "competition" gun, as though that's its only purpose.

So ya, I could've gotten a Hi-Point too instead of "wasting" money on a more "expensive" Glock. "Expensive" is relative.

But I do have the Glock 43 for my carry gun.


So is your question whether somebody here has shot a home invader with a Shadow 2? I don't think you're gonna find many.

I'm curious why you have a carry piece and it's not also your HD gun? Do you come home, put the Glock away and take the Shadow 2 out like you're changing shifts?


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Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: dEX_RX on January 25, 2019, 11:15:43 AM

So is your question whether somebody here has shot a home invader with a Shadow 2? I don't think you're gonna find many.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Doublejt on January 29, 2019, 12:27:50 PM
I purchased might for self defense exclusively. I carry one daily as a CCW and the shadow 2 doubles as a backup to my long gun for home defense. I have not modified the gun at all since purchase, but if I did, it would be to get rid of the adjustable sights.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: songmeesay on January 30, 2019, 12:12:47 AM
I probably wouldn't use any of my Shadows for HD not because they can't fill the role, but because if you do end up using it, say goodbye to it for a while because it'll be trashed around in evidence until the court is done.

I had 90% of my collection stolen a couple years ago. Some never shot and in mint condition. None came back the way they were when they were first found.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: besteff on January 30, 2019, 04:28:29 PM
That is certainly a disturbing thought!

I've decided not to use the Shadow for an HD gun, which just gives me another good reason to pick up another CZ. I'm considering a P-01, 75BD, 75D, or SP-01 since it already has the night sights.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Chuck James on January 30, 2019, 10:49:41 PM
That is certainly a disturbing thought!

I've decided not to use the Shadow for an HD gun, which just gives me another good reason to pick up another CZ. I'm considering a P-01, 75BD, 75D, or SP-01 since it already has the night sights.

I would look hard at the SP-01 for home defense.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: midaltantic44 on January 31, 2019, 04:13:45 PM
songmeesay, mind if we ask how you collection got taken? Might be a lesson in safety for there rest of us
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: Dasashooter on February 02, 2019, 10:39:07 PM
I bought one for a higher volume range gun but there is no reason you couldn’t also use for home defense. Just put a light on it as the sights might be hard at night. I would seriously think twice about a ccw role as it is crazy heavy for that. Ultimately an alloy version makes get be nice for that.
Title: Re: Anyone using the Shadow 2 for home defense?
Post by: songmeesay on February 02, 2019, 11:13:25 PM
songmeesay, mind if we ask how you collection got taken? Might be a lesson in safety for there rest of us

He was actually a family friend. Into firearms as well. I started getting into firearms around 2013 and never thought I needed a safe. He was remodeling our house and even in rough times for him we gave him a home. He had a falling out with a family member and that lead to the collection being stolen. My neighbor actually them take a rock to the back sliding door and called 911 right away. Police didnt show up until 40 min later. Luckily I have insurance but I was still out 2k for the deductible. To this day evidence still has my 1st gen Phantom and another rifle with an eotech and a longer made geissele rail.

Tough lesson learned. Buy a safe and well... you really can't trust anyone.