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Title: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: Grendel on January 16, 2019, 07:00:23 PM
(https://www.marlinfirearms.com/sites/default/files/styles/mar_catalog_product/public/70478_1895SBL_Right.png?itok=4GKhYkPC)

Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun (https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1895-big-bore/model-1895sbl)

Anyone got one?

Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Tok36 on January 16, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
I do not have one but i have decided that i will pick one up at some point. It makes an appearance in the movie Wind River (2017) with Elizabeth Olsen and Jeremy Renner. Good movie, the rifle is used well in it, knocks people right off of their feet.  ;D

I believe that the one shown in the movie has a tubular hammer spur extension on it. It looks neat.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Raven45 on January 16, 2019, 08:13:41 PM
I have one I have had for many years.  Had Ted Yost do an action job on it when he was the Gunsmith at Gunsite.  That was long before Marlin made them with the rail mount, so Ted built a rail for me, installed ghost ring backup sights, and installed a LER Leupold Scout Scope.  It is really a nice gun to carry.  Shoots very well with 300 gr. ammo.  Used one to shoot a very large black bear in New Mexico.   
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: The Guardian on January 16, 2019, 09:11:32 PM
I just got done slicking mine up. I've got the .357 version.....polished up the moving parts, removed the cross-bolt safety, put in new lever catch and hammer springs, took off that hideous (IMHO) black picatiny rail and filled the holes with stainless plug screws and the barrel dovetail with a stainless blank, smoothed all the edges on the lever and hammer spur (they were sharp) and laced up some leather on the lever & trigger guard sections.....also put in a Wild West "Happy Trigger" and softened up the Loading Gate/Spring by grinding off about 1/3 of the verticle section of the spring part to make it more reasonable/easier to load rounds........man, stock they are STIFF.  Lets just say its a PLEASURE to shoot and look :o at......also, really like the ghost ring sights.  I'll see if I have a pic to post....thought about a 45-70 but really wanted something I would shoot a heck of a lot more for what these cost.......so .357 Magnum won out  ;D   Mine actually has a "JM" barrel on it, even though it's fresh from the factory......probably a leftover barrel or they are stamping "JM" again ??? .  I will say, Marlin's quality has come back up....I was expecting to have to "fix" a lot of things given some experiences over the last 10-15 or so years with Marlin's.....my 1895CSBL was really put together well from the factory, though its much better now!
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: CzechnoWizard on January 16, 2019, 09:20:31 PM
Yes, though without the rail. I have the actual guide gun model.

.45-70 is a very versatile round and I enjoy both cowboy level loads of trail boss and the shock inducing sledge hammers sold by hornady.  A few observations:

These are not all that smooth to cycle and homebrew polishing does not help much.

The trigger flops around a bit when cycling  the action.

The side gate is kind of crude and will scrape up ammo or bite your fingers if allowed. 

The standard rectangular lever looks nice but functionally it's a knuckle buster. I'd look for the larger loop and wrap it I  paracord.

Factory sights are basic at best. Skinner or xs express are almost a mandatory upgrade unless you plan to mount an optic.

The 16" barrel makes a dang handy package.

405 grain loads are tough to regulate sights for. I'm fairly recoil numb but I have problems with my 405 grain loads hitting about 6" high at 50 yds if my sights are zeroed for a lighter, faster load. That makes no ballistic sense unless you conclude that the stout recoil of the 405 grainers,even loaded light, is severe enough to raise the muzzle before the bullet exits.

As with most any non-takedown lever action, cleaning is tough due to inability to access the breach

If buying used or even nos, study up on the collector interest that drives prices for pre-remington produced Marlins. You can end up paying too much for a shooter or you can take home a queen too valuable to shoot.

Beware that buying an 1895 will likely make you want an 1894 to go along with it.



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Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: M1A4ME on January 16, 2019, 10:26:16 PM
Haven't used heavy bullets in the M1A or M1 Garand in years, so I can't say if the different - that close - for say, 150 vs. 220 grain bullets (not a combo for .308 anyway).

For revolvers?  Absolutely.  In .357 magnum 125's hit lower, even at 25 yds. than 158's.  Never shot more than a box of 180 grain .44 magnums and that was 35 years ago, or more.  But I'll bet they hit lower on the paper than 240's.

I had a buddy in the Army that bought a M1895 for his dad.  That was in 1978 or 79.  It was blued.  We expected it to kick worse than a 12 ga. shotgun but when we went to the range we were surprised at how mild it was.  Then again, we shot M14's when we went to the range twice a year (for the US Army) and shot my M1917 and 03 Springfield at a public range, for fun.

Those were factory 405's.  A lot of people load them up for Marlin's vs. the factory ammo that might get used in older guns.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Tok36 on January 16, 2019, 10:55:51 PM
I asked my FFL and it seems that they are hard to track down. He said he had a five person waiting list. :(
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: The Guardian on January 17, 2019, 11:54:37 AM
Here are some pics I promised earlier.....

(http://i.imgur.com/UwyO37H.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/sgVYsGi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/R2IvQ0X.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/x91s3SR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rpuf9pD.jpg)
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: bang bang on January 17, 2019, 07:10:06 PM
Yes, though without the rail. I have the actual guide gun model.

.45-70 is a very versatile round and I enjoy both cowboy level loads of trail boss and the shock inducing sledge hammers sold by hornady.  A few observations:

These are not all that smooth to cycle and homebrew polishing does not help much.

The trigger flops around a bit when cycling  the action.

The side gate is kind of crude and will scrape up ammo or bite your fingers if allowed. 

The standard rectangular lever looks nice but functionally it's a knuckle buster. I'd look for the larger loop and wrap it I  paracord.

Factory sights are basic at best. Skinner or xs express are almost a mandatory upgrade unless you plan to mount an optic.

The 16" barrel makes a dang handy package.

405 grain loads are tough to regulate sights for. I'm fairly recoil numb but I have problems with my 405 grain loads hitting about 6" high at 50 yds if my sights are zeroed for a lighter, faster load. That makes no ballistic sense unless you conclude that the stout recoil of the 405 grainers,even loaded light, is severe enough to raise the muzzle before the bullet exits.

As with most any non-takedown lever action, cleaning is tough due to inability to access the breach

If buying used or even nos, study up on the collector interest that drives prices for pre-remington produced Marlins. You can end up paying too much for a shooter or you can take home a queen too valuable to shoot.

Beware that buying an 1895 will likely make you want an 1894 to go along with it.



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Im not sure what brand/model my LGS did for a customer that went to Alaska, but whatever he did and what brand he used, i would have to say it was 2 sweet toys. 

I got a chance to play with it before the owner came to claim it.   

he didnt put the rail up top, but it had ghost rings and the fore grip was squared off like a Thompson and some other things.

I could operate it using my pinkie, no problem.  didnt need to move the rifle from shooting position to operate the lever.

I bought his personal CASS marlin and its just as nice too. 
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: CzechnoWizard on January 17, 2019, 07:32:07 PM
Here are some pics I promised earlier.....

(http://i.imgur.com/UwyO37H.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/sgVYsGi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/R2IvQ0X.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/x91s3SR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rpuf9pD.jpg)
Very nice work on the leather around the lever. I was expecting to see some lacing or maybe braidwork but your approach is very classy and does a nice job leaving the hand space open.

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Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: CzechnoWizard on January 17, 2019, 07:35:15 PM
I just got done slicking mine up. I've got the .357 version.....polished up the moving parts, removed the cross-bolt safety, put in new lever catch and hammer springs, took off that hideous (IMHO) black picatiny rail and filled the holes with stainless plug screws and the barrel dovetail with a stainless blank, smoothed all the edges on the lever and hammer spur (they were sharp) and laced up some leather on the lever & trigger guard sections.....also put in a Wild West "Happy Trigger" and softened up the Loading Gate/Spring by grinding off about 1/3 of the verticle section of the spring part to make it more reasonable/easier to load rounds........man, stock they are STIFF.  Lets just say its a PLEASURE to shoot and look :o at......also, really like the ghost ring sights.  I'll see if I have a pic to post....thought about a 45-70 but really wanted something I would shoot a heck of a lot more for what these cost.......so .357 Magnum won out  ;D   Mine actually has a "JM" barrel on it, even though it's fresh from the factory......probably a leftover barrel or they are stamping "JM" again ??? .  I will say, Marlin's quality has come back up....I was expecting to have to "fix" a lot of things given some experiences over the last 10-15 or so years with Marlin's.....my 1895CSBL was really put together well from the factory, though its much better now!
Do you mean that you had an 1895 custom built in .357 or that you have an 1894? I was under the impression that the 1895 only comes in 45-70 and previously in 444 marlin?

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Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: jwc007 on January 17, 2019, 08:36:20 PM
Had something very similar to it back in the early 1980's, and it was a great Rifle.  One of my more regrettable trade-offs.

(https://www.huntinggearguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Marlin-45-70-right-side-600x151.jpg)
Not mine, but exactly the same, minus a 1-4x Bushnell Scope

If you wind up getting one, inspect it very carefully BEFORE taking full delivery.
Current Marlin Production can be hit or miss, quality-wise.

You may find this article, entertaining and informative: https://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/marlin-classic-model-1895-mini-review/
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: The Guardian on January 17, 2019, 10:01:12 PM

Do you mean that you had an 1895 custom built in .357 or that you have an 1894? I was under the impression that the 1895 only comes in 45-70 and previously in 444 marlin?


You are correct....my mistake, 1894CSBL......same styling but different receivers between the 1894 & 1895. First crack at doing leather work....was really pretty easy/fun  :)
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: bang bang on January 17, 2019, 10:09:35 PM
(https://www.marlinfirearms.com/sites/default/files/styles/mar_catalog_product/public/70478_1895SBL_Right.png?itok=4GKhYkPC)

Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun (https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1895-big-bore/model-1895sbl)

Anyone got one?

nope.  would like, but not on my approved caliber list

i do have a sweet 1894 in 357mag

Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Grendel on January 17, 2019, 11:05:34 PM
Good info guys, thanks. I'm not a reloader so availibility of good factory ammo is a requirement
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: CzechnoWizard on January 18, 2019, 06:22:27 AM
Good info guys, thanks. I'm not a reloader so availibility of good factory ammo is a requirement
That's a shame because 45-70 is crazy easy to reload, (Straight walled case is easily resized. ) and factory ammo can get expensive if you shoot much quantity. There are certainly sources to mail order a broader variety but in terms of retail stores charging prices you might actually carry the cash to pay....only about 3 loads show up with any regularity.
Winchester has a silverbox cowboy level 405 grain load.
 Federal has a 300gr speer soft point that is quite stout for black bear or elk.
Hornady has their 325 grain FTX which I believe is also marked as a lever evolution or maybe a performance load. It's a hot one. Never shot a critter with it but it really destroys targets like steel plate,jugs of water, and cinderblocks. 
Problem is the Winchester is a seasonal thing-goes out of stock quickly then you wait a year- and the hornady brass is a bastard length, so federal is about the only reliable source.
Reloading OTOH enables me to make up 1000fps powderpuff loads for fun or Hammer of Thor type loads for serious uses.  Brass life is very long.  Large rifle primers are easy to find. Varget powder is quite versatile in this cartridge and trail boss works very well for light loads.   2 powders. That's all you need. 

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Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: ben512 on January 20, 2019, 11:40:20 AM
I want a similar one but in 357.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Tok36 on January 20, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
I ended up putting a Model 1895 Trapper in jail (CA 10 day wait) along with a CZ 75SA. It looks like i can add a rail latter if need be. Now to pick up some 45-70 for brass.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Grendel on January 20, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
I want a similar one but in 357.

That would be the 1894 (https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1894/model-1894-csbl)
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: eastman on January 20, 2019, 07:47:06 PM
I ended up putting a Model 1895 Trapper in jail (CA 10 day wait) along with a CZ 75SA. It looks like i can add a rail latter if need be. Now to pick up some 45-70 for bass.

 :o

.45-70 will probably work ok, but I always used fishhooks for bass   ;D
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: DenStinett on January 20, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
Henry makes a fine Lever in 45-70
Here's just one of many, that's about the same:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/795775592
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Tok36 on January 20, 2019, 09:54:48 PM
I ended up putting a Model 1895 Trapper in jail (CA 10 day wait) along with a CZ 75SA. It looks like i can add a rail latter if need be. Now to pick up some 45-70 for bass.

 :o

.45-70 will probably work ok, but I always used fishhooks for bass   ;D

Instant Sashimi  8)
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Texf6 on January 21, 2019, 12:00:38 AM
Had something very similar to it back in the early 1980's, and it was a great Rifle.  One of my more regrettable trade-offs.

(https://www.huntinggearguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Marlin-45-70-right-side-600x151.jpg)
Not mine, but exactly the same, minus a 1-4x Bushnell Scope

If you wind up getting one, inspect it very carefully BEFORE taking full delivery.
Current Marlin Production can be hit or miss, quality-wise.

You may find this article, entertaining and informative: https://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/marlin-classic-model-1895-mini-review/


007, I have this rifle also.  Maybe a box of 20 45-70 through it.   JM pre Remington that I've had for About 20 years.  Safe queen which is a shame.  Excellent wild pig gun for down here in TX.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Tanners Owner on January 25, 2019, 10:43:13 AM
I had one , recently sold it to a neighbor. Very good rifle, but I never used it as my big game hunting desire has waned over the past decade.  Still bird hunt with a passion, but my Win 70 in 270 can handle any big game I?m likely to go after.

Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: DenStinett on February 13, 2019, 09:11:40 PM
G:
Did you buy your 45-70 Lever yet ?
Here's another nice choice:
https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/model-1886-rifle-45-70-26-oct-barrel.html
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: oldfrank on February 14, 2019, 10:40:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2FvyxzVl.jpg)

Not the Guide but the GBL in 45-70. I bought it about four months ago and bought this over the Guide for extra ammo capacity. I bought it to hog hunt with but did deer hunt with it at the end of the season with no luck.

I did a few mods to it and also tried several different Red Dot/Scope combinations before settling on the scout set up. The 2X power gives me quick close shots and higher magnification if I need it.

I load 405gr Lead RN for it and I load them light woth IMR 3031. Plenty of power but easy on the shoulder and accurate enough for any distance I shoot which is about 100 yards max.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Hammer Time on February 14, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
It's been on my radar as well. I had a Henry Big Boy that I totally regret trading away now, and I need another lever in my life. Torn between another Henry and the Marlin Guide...
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Grendel on February 16, 2019, 01:35:58 PM
Ordered it today. Now we wait.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: jberke on February 19, 2019, 12:40:03 AM
Gotta be careful with those Marlins!! 
They can be almost as addictive as the CZ!   O0
One - is never enough.   ;D
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these
Post by: Grendel on April 14, 2019, 06:30:31 PM
And...here she is:

(https://scontent.ffsd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56970884_10218592899998394_6219784016715841536_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.ffsd2-1.fna&oh=77808cb4edba3536bfdca33f004203bb&oe=5D4261A1)

(https://scontent.ffsd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57044152_10218592867717587_5206254163872186368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.ffsd2-1.fna&oh=15717cffda44075aec413cdb5b9c3d90&oe=5D3F82A9)
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: Mercs on April 14, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
And...here she is:

(https://scontent.ffsd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56970884_10218592899998394_6219784016715841536_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.ffsd2-1.fna&oh=77808cb4edba3536bfdca33f004203bb&oe=5D4261A1)

(https://scontent.ffsd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57044152_10218592867717587_5206254163872186368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.ffsd2-1.fna&oh=15717cffda44075aec413cdb5b9c3d90&oe=5D3F82A9)
That?s one gorgeous rifle, congrats!


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Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: Tok36 on April 15, 2019, 04:09:41 AM
Gratz on the cool rifle. May it threat you well. Thank you for the pics.
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: Earl Keese on April 15, 2019, 06:35:15 AM
Beautiful rifle, congrats!
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: jwc007 on April 15, 2019, 03:03:39 PM
Very Nice Rifle! 8)  Congratulations and may it serve you well!  :)
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: Tanners Owner on April 16, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Congrats- nice looking rig
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: oldfrank on April 17, 2019, 02:10:56 PM
Congratulations on your new toy!

Get the loading gate from Ranger Point Precision. Your fingers will love you and when it is time to reload, you can press on the gate and the loaded rounds will come flying out of the magazine, no need to cycle the rounds.

https://www.rangerpointstore.com/shop-all/marlin-loading-gate-spring-flyweight-fast-easy-smooth/
Title: Re: I've decided I must get one of these (UPDATED WITH PIX ON P.2)
Post by: Ron M. on April 17, 2019, 06:51:59 PM
Congratulations on your new toy!

Get the loading gate from Ranger Point Precision. Your fingers will love you and when it is time to reload, you can press on the gate and the loaded rounds will come flying out of the magazine, no need to cycle the rounds.

https://www.rangerpointstore.com/shop-all/marlin-loading-gate-spring-flyweight-fast-easy-smooth/

They make lots of great additions for lever action rifles. I have a set of their peep sights on my Henry 20 inch 357 and 45 Colt. It's too bad they stopped doing custom work.