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Title: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on January 22, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
I've had great reliability with the Beretta Nano and it often rides in a pocket holster.  Looking for a backup or alternative 9mm similarly sized.  The P365 is all the rage, but some appear to be enraged.  The Kahr is similar but smaller yet.  Rather not have a safety for a pocket gun.  Generally have liked the long pull as the only safety.  What would you do if in my shoes and could only get one more?
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on January 22, 2019, 05:15:25 PM
Sorry not a semi auto. I pocket carry a hammerless J frame .357 mag when I pocket carry. The S&W 940 (hammerless 9mm) can still be found too.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Earl Keese on January 22, 2019, 05:34:31 PM
I'm not a fan of pocket guns, but for me it would be a P365. I had my brother's for an extended period of time and was very impressed. I think I ended up putting almost 300rds through it and it worked perfectly. Accurate and easy to shoot one handed. Two hands didn't work for me but I have large hands. The reach to the trigger on Kahrs is too short for me.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Ron M. on January 22, 2019, 07:13:25 PM
Like SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM, I prefer a J frame for the rare occasions I pocket carry. My choice is an S&W 432PD loaded with Buffalo Bore ammo.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on January 22, 2019, 07:32:10 PM
I have occasionally carried the charter arms pitbull .40 S&W in the pocket, but not ideal IMO.  I do like the way revolvers tend to ride high OWB for comfort, however.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: GBUS on January 23, 2019, 01:39:59 PM
Any gun small enough for me to comfortably pocket carry is too small for my liking and I’d rather stuff an air weight or such J frame in my waistband instead.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: GeneticallySwiss on January 23, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
Sorry not a semi auto. I pocket carry a hammerless J frame .357 mag when I pocket carry. The S&W 940 (hammerless 9mm) can still be found too.

Yup, revolver here too.  Colt Night Cobra.

GS
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 24, 2019, 08:11:59 AM
Pocket carry is a practical option; especially in the Summer with light clothing. But often the sights are poor, capacity limited, and triggers not very good as compared to a good compact or full size defensive pistol.

The SIG P365 answers all three of these issues; with SIG's excellent X-Ray3 sights, 10+1 or 12+1 magazines, and a very smooth (for a micro-striker) trigger all in a package similar in size to a KAHR CM9 or PM9. In fact, my SIG P365 fits in the same Desantis Superfly pocket holster as the KAHR or my SIG P290rs micro.

Although my SIG P365 shoots faster and more accurately, I've had some concern that the trigger at 5-1/2 to 6lbs might be TOO light for pocket carry even in a holster. 

I see that SIG just intro'd a manual safety model P365 at SHOT SHOW.

But for me, I'd rather see a retro-kit available to increase the trigger pull to say 7-1/2 lbs.  I don't have a problem shooting a smooth DA if the reset isn't ridiculously long. Maybe that's just me and I'm overly concerned??
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: painter on January 24, 2019, 08:50:15 AM
I have a CM9 and like it. That pistol gets my vote for pocket carry.

It's been completely reliable after it broke in, and even during break in would cycle all but light target loads.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: GRU7_Mike on January 24, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
I voted for the CM9.  I almost bought a P365 to replace it but just could not bring myself to spending $500 to buy a replacement for just about the same thing I have......and not feel as good in the hand.  Plus.... Very accurate.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Phlyers13 on January 24, 2019, 10:19:20 AM
I voted Nano even though I am not a fan of that gun at all. What matters is that you are. If you have been carrying and training on that gun and are happy with it, then why change? 
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Montesf1030 on January 24, 2019, 11:47:03 AM
My main and preferred carry gun is a G26 Gen 5 but my pocket carry has become my Sig P365 ... I have close to 1000 rounds without an issue so I feel comfortable carrying it when I pocket carry


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Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 24, 2019, 12:50:38 PM
What about a bullpup9 ?
Yeah it's expensive , I handled one , it's an incredible trigger.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Linejudgemick on January 24, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
I've had great reliability with the Beretta Nano and it often rides in a pocket holster.  Looking for a backup or alternative 9mm similarly sized.  The P365 is all the rage, but some appear to be enraged.  The Kahr is similar but smaller yet.  Rather not have a safety for a pocket gun.  Generally have liked the long pull as the only safety.  What would you do if in my shoes and could only get one more?

I was an early adopter of the Nano and have used it often for CCW. I normally carry it IWB because I find it a bit heavy and bulky for my pockets compared to a .380 mouse gun. However, it recently developed an extraction failure habit and was sent to Beretta USA. They replaced the barrel and adjusted the extractor, but I haven't had an opportunity to function check it yet.

While I was waiting for the Nano's return, I held a P365, born in Oct 18. Long story short - it came home with me and so far it has run well and shoots as well as the Nano. Now that the Nano has returned, it is simply amazing how the SIG is almost identical in size to the Nano.

If I hadn't had issue with my Nano, I'd have nerver gotten the SIG, but I do like it. If your Nano is failure free I'd think keeping it would make sense. But then again, it never hurts to have options. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on January 24, 2019, 03:09:14 PM
Thank you so far, all who've replied!

I'll be keeping the NANO, just want another pocket gun (2 is one, right?).  Maybe a NANO of a different color -- the diamond-blue frame looks pretty, LOL.

Although I've been training on it (and used it to put down a couple of nuisance racoons) I don't think I'll have a problem gaining competence in the very similar Kahr, and quite frankly believe to have the booger finger discipline to handle the lighter trigger of the P365.  I haven't accidentally put my finger in the trigger guard while drawing and I'm very conscientious in snipping off any hoodie or jacket waist string ties that could find its way into the pocket.  Nothing else shares the pocket with a holstered gun.  An attraction of P365 is a thin, light 12-round OWB or IWB carry option (with the NANO in the pocket).  I gave up on IWB some time ago, but with new hips it may be an option again.  Even if OWB a thin gun as such would likely ride closer to the body.

I'm still on the fence; have my NANO in my Khaki's as we "speak".
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 24, 2019, 04:52:41 PM
Tyerone,
I like your idea of carrying the Nano in pocket, and a P-365 super-compact sidearm!
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: armoredman on January 24, 2019, 04:56:43 PM
I'm a weirdo - I carry two of the same thing, P-10C, when I carry a second gun. Of course, I am off duty and can look like a slob if I wish, with over large t-shirt hanging over. Yes, it does work, even in AZ summers, with some care.
I tried the NANO, and the one example I handled refused to let go of the magazine. Even the shop owner wouldn't sell it, kept it around to remind him why he didn't like it. Meh. The only pocket gun I've handled recently that really tripped my trigger is the Ruger EC9, a budget pistol that nevertheless is a Ruger and had a good trigger, decent ergos. No money in the kitty, but I am still interested in one.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: newageroman on January 24, 2019, 05:21:25 PM
I voted for the kahr which I carry whenever I can. My 2nd would be the 365. I tried all the 9mm sub compacts I could find locally a couple years ago and liked the kahr the best. The 365 wasn't out at that time. I'm a bit of a trigger snob and that was the main reason I went with the Kahr. I just don't like plastic triggers or trigger safeties or reticulating triggers or any of that kind of stuff. The kahr has a nice smooooth solid metal trigger. I found one verly lightly used at the local store and have been at it ever since.

I did start out with the kel tec PF-9. Had constant jams with it all different kinds of ammo. After about 500 rounds I sent it back. They fixed it and then I could not make it malfunction. I loved everything about that gun except the trigger - it was like you had to bury the trigger into the grip to fire. I also shot a nano once and did very well with it, but could not find one locally for a good price. I considered the P938 (being a 1911 fan), but I honestly like the trigger on the kahr better. The 938 is not a tru 1911 design as the trigger rotates as opposed to being a straight pull, so that was kind of uggg.  Tried the rugers and shields and glock 43, gut they all had plastic trigger crap.

As for the 365 - yes it is awesome. I did hold one at a shop when they first came out and couldn't believe they stuffed 10 in the mag. The trigger is really good, but still like the kahr better. If you go that way just make sure you get a new one with the new sights. I will say that I do have a friend that shot the hell out of the newer version and loved it, until if massively failed to go into battery after 4k rounds! Now, who's gonna put 4k on a carry gun, probably no one, but yes it happened. Also Tim at the MAC had an second go at the 365 and it failed on him ~500 rounds.

I carry the CM9 in a shoulder holster whenever I can (I like shoulder carry because of no adjustments needed when getting in and out of the car). I probably have ~1200 rounds on it so far with not one issue. It gets about 6 or 7 mags ran through it every time I go to the range. Every so often I run it in a pocket holster in the back pocket. I have a rubber grip sleeve designed for the ruger. I cut the notch out for the mag release and slid it on. The fingernub and palmswell helps a lot with the small grip. I run it with the stock short mag 6+1, and have extra longer mag 8+1 in a neomag front pocket holster.

Last .02- I wanted my carry to also be a lightweight woods/snake gun. The Kel-tec would fire and cycle the small shot blue end CCI shotshells with no problems. Then I tried it with the larger shot red ends and they busted in the mag and caused issues. When I got the CM9, I found that the recoil spring is too heavy to cycle the shot shells. I plan to still carry it in the woods with shotshells and just slingshot it when needed.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on January 24, 2019, 08:41:26 PM
Awesome 2 cents.  I find it interesting that you report the Kahr trigger would be better/smoother than the sig!  I originally liked the idea of the kahr because of its (crappy for most snobs) long trigger pull like the Nano.

I had a similar experience with the Keltec PF-9, the only handgun I sold so far.  Although no problems with light 115gr ammo, it didn't like 147, my preference.  I liked the way it shot, but 2 friends with meaty hands got hammer bite and gave it crossed fingers.  Maybe I could have worked out the bugs with factory support, but the Frankenbolt was just too cludgy for me to trust my life with and I let it go.  My Nano was relatively early vintage with internet reports similar to the 365 experience.  Well, it semed like it at the time.  Other than my intentional abuse of oiling the striker channel, then filling with saw dust on top of dust bunnies, then freezing it over night below zero to force light primer strikes -- it hasn't failed.  BTW, don't do that to your stryker fired guns!
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: holidaypf on January 24, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
I use a PM9 for pocket carry. I like the long DA pull - especially in combination with a striker in such a small package.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 24, 2019, 10:38:16 PM
Newageroman's comment about a friend's P365 failing to go into battery after 4,000 rounds reminds me of an issue that many short-barreled semi-autos have where the short recoil springs must work extra hard.

You may well be advised to replace those springs sooner rather than later. Especially if you notice brass throwing farther than normal, or the slide feeling weak at lock-up.

I first noticed this with my RAMI, and was advised by CZ CS rep that I should replace the outer recoil spring every 1,000 rounds or so; and the complete spring set (inner and outer) every 3rd spring change. Especially if you're running hot ammo.

SIG CS told me the same thing, so now that I follow a more regular recoil spring change there's no further issues. Cheap insurance.

Just say'in.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: newageroman on January 25, 2019, 09:30:20 AM
Good to know vinny. I'll have to ask my friend if he changed the springs regularly. I'm wondering about the suggested replacement spring on my kahr now.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 25, 2019, 10:13:58 AM
Speaking of pocket pistols , how about this one, there's about 40 different color combinations or more.
https://www.taurusspectrum.com/phone/index.html
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 25, 2019, 11:04:07 AM
Good to know vinny. I'll have to ask my friend if he changed the springs regularly. I'm wondering about the suggested replacement spring on my kahr now.

This from Defensive Carry Forum:

Lightbulb Kahr PM9 Recoil Spring - Recommended Replacement Interval

    As an FYI for owners of the PM9 - Kahr tech support told me today that they recommend changing the recoil spring every 1200-1500 rounds.

    The old PM9 I had a few years ago had a different recoil spring design, and it started to fail to go fully into battery at 1400 rounds. Back then, the tech I spoke to said they needed to be replaced every 1000 rounds.

    Personally, I would replace mine every 1000 rounds, just to be sure.

For those of us that have higher round counts on short-barrel pistols..........
Just a heads up.
-Vinny
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 25, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
Good to know vinny. I'll have to ask my friend if he changed the springs regularly. I'm wondering about the suggested replacement spring on my kahr now.

This from Defensive Carry Forum:

Lightbulb Kahr PM9 Recoil Spring - Recommended Replacement Interval

    As an FYI for owners of the PM9 - Kahr tech support told me today that they recommend changing the recoil spring every 1200-1500 rounds.

    The old PM9 I had a few years ago had a different recoil spring design, and it started to fail to go fully into battery at 1400 rounds. Back then, the tech I spoke to said they needed to be replaced every 1000 rounds.

    Personally, I would replace mine every 1000 rounds, just to be sure.

For those of us that have higher round counts on short-barrel pistols..........
Just a heads up.
-Vinny
Replace a recoil spring every 1000 to 1400 rounds that's ridiculous  !!
I'd sell the bleep thing. If the company knows they screwed up they ought to start replacing them for free. Or come up with a recoil spring it'll last longer than that ,again that's ridiculous.
You better make sure you know your round count ,  otherwise the pistol becomes unreliable. JMHO
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on January 25, 2019, 04:47:21 PM
Good to know vinny. I'll have to ask my friend if he changed the springs regularly. I'm wondering about the suggested replacement spring on my kahr now.

This from Defensive Carry Forum:

Lightbulb Kahr PM9 Recoil Spring - Recommended Replacement Interval

    As an FYI for owners of the PM9 - Kahr tech support told me today that they recommend changing the recoil spring every 1200-1500 rounds.

    The old PM9 I had a few years ago had a different recoil spring design, and it started to fail to go fully into battery at 1400 rounds. Back then, the tech I spoke to said they needed to be replaced every 1000 rounds.

    Personally, I would replace mine every 1000 rounds, just to be sure.

For those of us that have higher round counts on short-barrel pistols..........
Just a heads up.
-Vinny
Replace a recoil spring every 1000 to 1400 rounds that's ridiculous  !!
I'd sell the bleep thing. If the company knows they screwed up they ought to start replacing them for free. Or come up with a recoil spring it'll last longer than that ,again that's ridiculous.
You better make sure you know your round count ,  otherwise the pistol becomes unreliable. JMHO

A very large number of micro compact pistols require recoil spring replacement at early intervals, Kimber micros ,Sig P238/938, Kahr's to name a few. This is a maintenance item and it's the price you pay for itsy bitsy little guns like this.
Simple fact is that guns are little machines and need certain things to stay in top running condition. Small guns firing larger cartridges require more and that short recoil spring gets pounded hard in these guns.
I'm not a fan of micro pistols that's why I choose J frame revolvers if I need a baby girl gun.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 25, 2019, 05:00:58 PM
I don't like baby guns they just don't fit right in my hand. If it's not comfortable I'm not shooting it.
I mean if I have no choice and the SHTF, I'll shoot whatever I get my hands on.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 25, 2019, 05:28:05 PM
For those that can't keep a simple log with your round counts; and change a $5 spring every 1000 to 1500 rounds.......I'm Sorry.  Maintaining equipment, revolver or semi-auto, that means the difference between life and death takes a little effort. JMO
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: DOC 1500 on January 25, 2019, 06:25:06 PM
For those that can't keep a simple log with your round counts; and change a $5 spring every 1000 to 1500 rounds.......I'm Sorry.  Maintaining equipment, revolver or semi-auto, that means the difference between life and death takes a little effort. JMO
I don't want to have to keep a log. And yes I know how to clean and maintain my guns🙄.
I want to know that I can shoot my gun for tens of thousands of rounds without having to worry about whether if spring is going bad or not when I need it. I understand the baby guns need a little more treatment,  that's probably why I don't own one. I just don't like little guns. That's why I put my life on my PO- 9.
I mean what if they're( the manufacturer) round count is off by a hundred rounds. I don't know? Not Something I would want to trust  with my life. The thought of maybe it will 🤔maybe it won't just doesn't appeal to me. I know nothing's 100% but I'm sure there's other choices that will get you closer to that point.
 But good luck with it. It's your choice.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on January 25, 2019, 07:39:40 PM
 Just because nothing has broken doesn't mean service isn't needed. I never go much over 4 thousand rounds on a recoil spring in any semi auto that I own. Springs weaken over time and it's not the spring that you will see fail it will be a failure related to the weak spring and it will cost more to fix than that lowly $5 spring would have cost. If you're going to bet your life on a pistol why would you not want to keep it in the best possible condition?
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Swamp ash on January 29, 2019, 10:12:24 PM
I'm a weirdo - I carry two of the same thing, P-10C, when I carry a second gun. Of course, I am off duty and can look like a slob if I wish, with over large t-shirt hanging over. Yes, it does work, even in AZ summers, with some care.
I tried the NANO, and the one example I handled refused to let go of the magazine. Even the shop owner wouldn't sell it, kept it around to remind him why he didn't like it. Meh. The only pocket gun I've handled recently that really tripped my trigger is the Ruger EC9, a budget pistol that nevertheless is a Ruger and had a good trigger, decent ergos. No money in the kitty, but I am still interested in one.
Yes; I have a Ruger LC9s; wife has EC9s.
I really like the trigger and they are quite accurate. Haven't had any issues out of either one.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on January 30, 2019, 07:14:14 AM
Well, I hope that you are observant as to whether your brass casings are thrown to the next county.  That is indicative of the recoil spring wearing out.  Best to replace it like any piece of metal that bends, compresses it will fatigue --just the nature of the beast.  I hope that you replace that jigsaw blade, etc. When it begins to struggle rather than marshalling through!  A recoil spring change is really just basic maitenance.

For those that can't keep a simple log with your round counts; and change a $5 spring every 1000 to 1500 rounds.......I'm Sorry.  Maintaining equipment, revolver or semi-auto, that means the difference between life and death takes a little effort. JMO
I don't want to have to keep a log. And yes I know how to clean and maintain my guns🙄.
I want to know that I can shoot my gun for tens of thousands of rounds without having to worry about whether if spring is going bad or not when I need it. I understand the baby guns need a little more treatment,  that's probably why I don't own one. I just don't like little guns. That's why I put my life on my PO- 9.
I mean what if they're( the manufacturer) round count is off by a hundred rounds. I don't know? Not Something I would want to trust  with my life. The thought of maybe it will 🤔maybe it won't just doesn't appeal to me. I know nothing's 100% but I'm sure there's other choices that will get you closer to that point.
 But good luck with it. It's your choice.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: HollowDawg on January 30, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
For the last 10 or so years my pocket carry is a Kahr MK9. Having said such, I have shot the SIG 365 and was very impressed. Better trigger than the Kahr I think and more rounds in pretty much the same size pistol. I am NOT a fan of plastic guns but the SIG has seriously tempted me. :o
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Alexn89 on January 30, 2019, 10:03:51 AM
I'll just throw in my two cents: I have a Ruger LCP2 and have found it to be very reliable, and despite it's size and weight (smaller and lighter than my phone!)  very pleasant to shoot. Nice ergos, pretty okay trigger, concealable in even the lightest clothing you're wear in public. I've put 1,000 rounds of everything from steel case Tula to Blazer through it without a single hitch.

The cons, though: I have relatively large hands and and I find it a very difficult gun to shoot accurately, as my ring finger barely stays on the grip. I make hits, yes, but not great ones (my tendency to shoot a bit left of POA is greatly exagerrated with the LCP2). I'm actually more accurate and faster just shooting it one handed. The finish on the slide is also not amazing and shows wear easily.

I feel confident, with my skill level, using it as a backup gun as I can still make quick "good enough" hits at shorter distances (under 15 yards) and I have found it to be utterly reliable. I'd avoid if your hands are large. The price point is pretty attractive though -- I got mine on sale for about 175, NIB.


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Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 30, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
I got a SIG P365 fairly early (April 21, 2018 build). I got the new X-Ray3 sights which are great, but only 65 rounds in I had the known trigger bar spring issue. However, SIG promptly serviced it, also replaced the entire slide assembly and I've shot over 2,500 flawless rounds of every type of ammo since. I've tried everything to get it to fail; shooting strong hand only, weak hand only, hot ammo, weak ammo, ball, flat nose, JHP's from 115 to 147 gr.; and it's cycled everything 100%. And the little bugger is surprising accurate too.

It's small enough (about same size as KAHR CM/PM-9) to pocket carry, but has 10+1 or 12+1 capacity to IWB or OWB carry as a very effective sidearm too.
Like Armoredman, carry two.  O0

I just wanted to share my experience with it. I do believe all the early production issues are in the past.

Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: lewmed on January 30, 2019, 01:22:14 PM
 Call me old school but it's hard to beat a S&W 642 for pocket carry.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on January 30, 2019, 02:56:47 PM
Call me old school but it's hard to beat a S&W 642 for pocket carry.
Always good to go with something that you're confident will work for you, but if you're planning to purchase a pocket revolver, consider a Ruger LCR in 327 Federal Magnum that has 6 rounds instead of 5 in the same size package, that packs a punch that's way more powerful than even 38spl +P. The ballistics on 327 Fed Magnum are stunning. Performance of 357 Magnum with significantly less recoil.

Recent article from NRA's Shooting Illustrated:
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2018/8/18/7-reasons-to-use-327-federal-magnum-for-self-defense/

And, you can practice with downsized 32 H&R Magnum, 32 S&W long or short.

Or, if you can find one.....A S&W 632 J-frame.

Hickok 45 Review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nOe4O0Jr0g

That 6th round might just come in handy, and you're not sacrificing size or power.
Just Say'in.   
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on February 02, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
Gee, talk about a thread hijack...

Back on topic, called the LGS on Friday to see if they had any P365s.  They just received a shipment of them on Thursday.  They've been on back order for "quite a while".  Bought one Friday afternoon for just over $500 and got home with a few minutes of sunlight left.  The LGS said that I was the only purchaser who didn't buy a spare 12 round $50 mag.  Since it appeared to be lubed, not covered in preservative,  I swabbed out the barrel and put 33 rounds of speer 147gr through it without problems (3 10+1).  Cleaned it up, relube, repeat today with some 115gr Herters FMJ and Rem UMC JHP 115gr, all topped off 10+1. Shot great, no failures, the 115gr seemed to shoot more POA.  At least I hit the gong with regularity at 15 yards!  Trigger seems long, stiff enough me.  Certainly not as heavy as the Nano. I can feel 3 distinct stages when pulling the trigger slowly.  I like it.  There is definitely a lot more room around the P365 when placed in the remora holster used for the Nano.

After a couple more mags of 124gr stuff, I'll test it with my SD rounds.  I'm still juet shy of 100 rounds, but so far, so good!
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on February 02, 2019, 07:54:23 PM
Tyerone,
Good to hear you decided on the SIG P365.
Please keep us posted on your experience with it.
-Vinny
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: CCWLearner on February 02, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
I've been pocket carrying a j-frame .38 for around 25 years, with two speedloaders in my offhand pocket, but have recently transitioned to carrying a Sig P290RS .380.  It's DAO, slightly easier to conceal, better sights, with 6+1 in the gun and an 8-round mag in my offhand pocket.  It took two trips back to the factory and experimentation with different ammo to get it reliable, but I'm pretty happy with it now.

Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on February 03, 2019, 03:31:01 PM
OK boys and women, the poll is still open for a few more days so maybe I'll be obligated to buy a backup pocket gun for the backup, lol.  Just because of the earlier feedback, I added, 357 snubbie to the list.  I've always wondered WHY Iddon't currently own a 357.  I was thinking a Ruger SP01, 4" model on the hip would be nice for hiking the trails in Yellowstone, or Gallatin area, since I definitely want to go back!

OK, not to help conspire in the hijacking of my original thread, more shooting results with the P365:

Very sunny conditions, my eyes probably didn't adjust fully.  This is the first time I noticed the big green front dot.  I still haven't noticed the rear dots while shooting, but did go into a darkened closet to make sure they worked.  Anyway, on this occassion I tried to ignore the front dot and combat hold, else I woould totally c8ver my bullseye mark.  Favoring just the irons for sighting, my groups clustered a bit low as expected.

15 yards distance -- I checked with the laser range finder since it seemed so close compared to one of my favorite indoor ranges that MAX out at 15 yards!

20 rounds S&B, 124 gr:  5.5 inch max spread (vertical).  3" max side to side
22 rounds Fed HST, 147gr. 6 inch max spread (vertical)  3.75" max side to side

I did another mag of S&B rapid fire and realized my highest and lowest shots of the day, but generally low, max spread of 16 inches.

The cases do "feature" the Glock-like primer wipe, a couple close to the edge.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on February 03, 2019, 04:26:15 PM
Tyerone,
I know, you said Ruger SP-101 in 357Magnum. But, would you consider the identical gun in 327 Federal Magnum?
Why you ask??....an extra round for 6 shots instead of 5 in a higher velocity, similar power (ft./lbs.) and greater penetration with less recoil. Specifically designed for short barrels.
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Tyerone on February 03, 2019, 05:48:25 PM
Tyerone,
I know, you said Ruger SP-101 in 357Magnum. But, would you consider the identical gun in 327 Federal Magnum?
Why you ask??....an extra round for 6 shots instead of 5 in a higher velocity, similar power (ft./lbs.) and greater penetration with less recoil. Specifically designed for short barrels.

Do you think a .327 is going to bark louder than a 357 to perhaps chase off a grizzly;  let alone penetrate the skull with higher probability?

Yes, of course, I know an elephant rifle or even a 45 casul or .44 magnum are better suited to such a task...it is my intention to see them first and sneak away.  Let them chase the sound of tinkle bells or follow the scent of pepper spray seasoning of others so "armed".
Title: Re: Second Pocket Gun
Post by: Vinny on February 03, 2019, 11:21:40 PM
Tyerone,
I know, you said Ruger SP-101 in 357Magnum. But, would you consider the identical gun in 327 Federal Magnum?
Why you ask??....an extra round for 6 shots instead of 5 in a higher velocity, similar power (ft./lbs.) and greater penetration with less recoil. Specifically designed for short barrels.

Do you think a .327 is going to bark louder than a 357 to perhaps chase off a grizzly;  let alone penetrate the skull with higher probability?

Yes, of course, I know an elephant rifle or even a 45 casul or .44 magnum are better suited to such a task...it is my intention to see them first and sneak away.  Let them chase the sound of tinkle bells or follow the scent of pepper spray seasoning of others so "armed".
IMHO the 357 Magnum benefits from a little longer barrel, like 5-6" otherwise it's just a lot of muzzle flash. So, for a personal defense snubbie I think the 327 Federal Magnum (actually a Super Magnum due to it's high pressures and velocity) that's actually designed for shorter barrels might be superior, considering that extra round, less recoil due to it's high pressure, pushing a lighter bullet at higher velocity. But for bear protection.....Gimme my 12ga with slugs. Or a more powerful longer barrel handgun to wring some velocity out of the round.

That being said, I can understand someone just wanting to own a 'classic' revolver chambered in 357 Magnum. I have a S&W stainless 627-5 with 8 rounds. But when I shoot it it's mostly 38 Spl or +P and a handful of 357 Magnum just for range fun.  Really, I enjoy my 9mm guns so much more.