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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: Inspector 12 on April 10, 2019, 08:09:38 AM
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Shipped my trigger pack to CZC yesterday to get a new trigger pack installed and tuned. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Looking forward to the reduced pull weight and movement.
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You will love the improvement! What do they do, polish and lighter springs?
I put the lighter springs in mine and it was a big improvement. After firing 500-600 rounds through it, the trigger got smoother but still a little "catchy". So just this morning I tore it back apart and did a polish/trigger job on it. MUCH smoother now, the trigger reset is better too! I was hoping Black Collar Arms would get their redesigned trigger back in stock but they're taking forever. Now that I've done this, not sure I'll even mess going with their aftermarket trigger. Saves me $200 too :)
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I?m getting the CZC replacement trigger kit and having them install and tune it. Results expected are lighter pull and shorter movement. Stock is .310, replacement is .095
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Please post a report of the difference you find etc. once it comes back.
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Hiya and thanks for your thread. The improvement is really night and day, kinda wished that it was part of the factory design. And 1000RR I'd had them do the work a few years ago and don't think the turn around time was much more than a week,but really depends on the orders waiting ahead of it. The trigger pkg cost me about 320 those years ago. Be well.
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I?m getting the CZC replacement trigger kit and having them install and tune it. Results expected are lighter pull and shorter movement. Stock is .310, replacement is .095
Now that I looked at the numbers they advertise, I'm curious how they measured the stock travel at 0.310?! I just measured my trigger travel at the very bottom of the trigger shoe (I have the HBI Theta Forward Trigger Shoe) and it travels exactly 6mm (0.24"). I would have expected my trigger to travel slightly further than stock being mine is the Forward Theta. 0.310" of travel would equate to just shy of 8mm.
That said, it looks like if they get it down to 0.095", that would only be 2-3/8 mm. That would be nice!! That's ~60% less travel than I have now.
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I ran across the following from Black Collar Arms (they make a drop in trigger for $200 that sounds like it does similar to what CZ is doing w/yours). The numbers they show make a little more sense. They say the factory pull is 0.175". With my Theta forward trigger being more, that makes more sense. Their numbers and CZ's numbers are really close in the travel, 50% less travel!!
Here's there chart:
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(http://d33sj1fusbl2n0d943y96kvs-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/SCORPITROL-vs-OEM-Trigger-Scans-1.jpg)
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I have a CZ Shadow 2 and four Sig Legions. I?m a big fan of short reset triggers. I?m not sure where the measure it but my stock trigger pull is loong and gritty.
I?m really looking forward to the CZC trigger.
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You'll undoubtedly love it. With the HBI spring kit and the polish, the pull weight (4-5lbs) and smoothness is great. But I gotta say, I'm a little jealous of the pull length you'll get from CZ. That would make it outstanding!
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You can always place shims in a standard trigger pack to greatly reduce over travel, trigger pull length and reset distance. It is not as good as the CZC trigger pack, but a great improvement to the overly long trigger pull.
The main cost is the brass strip material (Ace Hardware) and some JB Weld expoy.
I have some earlier threads that talk about this.
- DanT Phoenix, Az
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You can always place shims in a standard trigger pack to greatly reduce over travel, trigger pull length and reset distance. It is not as good as the CZC trigger pack, but a great improvement to the overly long trigger pull.
The main cost is the brass strip material (Ace Hardware) and some JB Weld expoy.
I have some earlier threads that talk about this.
- DanT Phoenix, Az
Hey DanT. Yes, I've checked out your write up. My current trigger (for whatever reason) has no noticeable overtravel, so I would just be working the rear shim to decrease overall trigger travel. Doesn't look like a difficult task at all, just not sure I'm committed to my own custom parts in the trigger pack (even as simple as it is).
Would be nice if someone just sold a revised trigger hook (trigger housing on CZ's diagram). That would seem to to address my last hope (shorter pull). I guess I could always just buy the trigger housing (trigger hook) assembly from CZ ($75) and shave off part of the hooks (keep mine for stock/oem sake). But then I'd end up with a little overtravel, so I'd be back to shimming the forward foot - LOL, the tangled web we weave.
Inspector 12 has a good approach - just send it off 8) Or, maybe Black Collar Arms will get their drop in trigger back in stock soon ::)
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ShootingSight trigger is (finally) getting ready to launch. Production parts went off for NiB coating, so I should start shipping in about 2 weeks.
These will include a replacement hammer, and sear assembly for $199 with free shipping (you assemble it yourself), or $250 for a fully assembled pack that you drop in.
It is a 2-stage design, pull will be in the 4.5 to 5.0lb range, and the first stage travel is under 0.1" before a crisp break.
Sear and hammer are Rolled Plate Tool Steel that has been CNC machined, lapped, and coated with NiB for the ultimate in smoothness.
I don't pre-sell, but if you want to be informed of updates, shoot us an email at info@shootingsight.com, and we'll add you to an email list once we have something. As stated, I expect about 2 weeks to get the parts back from NiB coating, and that's the last step we are waiting on.
Art Neergaard
ShootingSight llc
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I have a CZ Shadow 2 and four Sig Legions. I?m a big fan of short reset triggers. I?m not sure where the measure it but my stock trigger pull is loong and gritty.
I?m really looking forward to the CZC trigger.
you will be thrilled by their work . Both custom cz shops make the guns feel totally different. Even more than when you might upgrade a 1911. you really FEEL the better trigger(lighter,smoother, shortened slack, crisp break.
good for you. patience is the hardest part ( according to Tom Petty)
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ShootingSight trigger is (finally) getting ready to launch. Production parts went off for NiB coating, so I should start shipping in about 2 weeks.
These will include a replacement hammer, and sear assembly for $199 with free shipping (you assemble it yourself), or $250 for a fully assembled pack that you drop in.
It is a 2-stage design, pull will be in the 4.5 to 5.0lb range, and the first stage travel is under 0.1" before a crisp break.
Sear and hammer are Rolled Plate Tool Steel that has been CNC machined, lapped, and coated with NiB for the ultimate in smoothness.
I don't pre-sell, but if you want to be informed of updates, shoot us an email at shootingsight@fioptics.com, and we'll add you to an email list once we have something. As stated, I expect about 2 weeks to get the parts back from NiB coating, and that's the last step we are waiting on.
Art Neergaard
ShootingSight llc
Looking forward to seeing what you got Art. Thanks for the e-mails over the weekend going into further detail!!
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New trigger was being demoed at NRA show, to rave reviews, so I'm excited. I just got the invoice from the NiB coating place, which means my parts are done and on their way back to me. All good, unless UPS loses them :-)
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Any update on your thoughts?
In the market for a new trigger pack and it seems we have three options now (or soon)
CZ Custom Trigger Pack
Black Collar Arms Scorpitrol
ShootingSight LLC Trigger Pack
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I bought the CZC trigger pack and their disconnector. Vast improvement over the stock trigger. 4lb pull to the wall and breaks at 4.5lbs with very little travel. It was what I wanted for sure.
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Still waiting. Mine has been there waiting it's turn in line five weeks today. Depending on who you talk with they say ?six weeks usually less? but Stuart said in their email the custom shop Que was running eight weeks.
Of course the NRA show was going on during this time and CZC was debuting a new pistol design.
I expect the trigger and their workmanship will be worth the wait
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ShootingSight trigger kits (parts only) are expected to start shipping next week. Full drop in housings require some parts from CZ that are backordered, so those will be delayed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vYd_NwZlQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2vYd_NwZlQ)
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Any update on your thoughts?
In the market for a new trigger pack and it seems we have three options now (or soon)
CZ Custom Trigger Pack
Black Collar Arms Scorpitrol
ShootingSight LLC Trigger Pack
Sounds like Shooting Sight is gonna be first back to Market with availability. Their website has been updated to ~May 23 for the kit. I've been checking on the Scorpitrol forever now and it's always the same - "Out of Stock". The CZ shop looks to be quite busy if they are going to be 8 weeks out.
Looking at the Shooting Sight and the Scorpitrol, they look VERY similar in design, approach, and results. Hard to tell any difference in looking at their website, specs, pics, etc. The Scorpitrol is about 20% cheaper it appears but if it's not available, I guess that doesn't matter.
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Scorpitol is ShootingSight. I designed and manufactured the trigger.
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Scorpitol is ShootingSight. I designed and manufactured the trigger.
Well, there ya go... that's why the look extremely similar 8) ;)
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Pretty jazzed, just got a note from Stuart that my trigger is done and will be shipped soon. Looking forward to it getting here. They beat their predicted completion date by a couple of weeks.
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The last component is at the anodizer and was *supposed* to be done today. I actually drove up there this morning to pick up some other stuff and was told 'they are running right now, and will be done by the end of the day'. So I drove back up at 4pm to pick them up and was told 'oh, she was supposed to call you, they didn't get done, and it will be Monday ...'.
I won't sell these before they are sitting on my bench assembled, because I don't trust something to not go wrong at the last minute (what do you mean 'they dissolved in the anodizing tank'?), but it is so close I can taste it.
New trigger pulls at around 4.5 to 5.0lb at break.
New trigger has about half the 2nd stage creep of the OEM.
New trigger has a break that is about 3x sharper than OEM.
https://shootingsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Scorpion-Pull-Weight-Chart.pdf
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The last component is at the anodizer and was *supposed* to be done today. I actually drove up there this morning to pick up some other stuff and was told 'they are running right now, and will be done by the end of the day'. So I drove back up at 4pm to pick them up and was told 'oh, she was supposed to call you, they didn't get done, and it will be Monday ...'.
I won't sell these before they are sitting on my bench assembled, because I don't trust something to not go wrong at the last minute (what do you mean 'they dissolved in the anodizing tank'?), but it is so close I can taste it.
New trigger pulls at around 4.5 to 5.0lb at break.
New trigger has about half the 2nd stage creep of the OEM.
New trigger has a break that is about 3x sharper than OEM.
https://shootingsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Scorpion-Pull-Weight-Chart.pdf
I look forward to hearing how your new trigger improvements work out. I like the concept of buying a pack already built, instead of installing the parts in my pack, it offers options.
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I was actually quite surprised - I assumed the majority would not want to buy parts they already own, but indeed most of my requests so far have been for the complete cage, I guess people feel that having a complete backup is worth it.
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My trigger pack showed up from CZC yesterday afternoon. VERY pleased with the trigger pull, trigger travel, and reset improvements. Really looking forward to finally getting this thing to the range and giving it a spin.
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I'm officially in stock and shipping for the 'kit' option, where you get parts and rebuild your trigger pack.
I'll put the 'drop-in' option up as soon as I get the back ordered components from CZ.
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I'm officially in stock and shipping for the 'kit' option, where you get parts and rebuild your trigger pack.
I'll put the 'drop-in' option up as soon as I get the back ordered components from CZ.
Looking forward to your complete trigger pack and plan to order when they are available. Happen to have a best-guess when your back ordered parts should arrive?
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No. ANd they are teasing me. Last week I got a FedEx notification of a package inbound, and was all excited. Turns out I got all the hammer pins I ordered, but none of the other parts.
Much to my surprise, response has been overwhelming that most people want the complete assembled drop-in, rather than the kit. Dunno if that is for the convenience, or if people just want to be able to keep the trigger pack as a spare, or if they are afraid to dis-assemble the trigger pack.
I was thinking of offering a free rebuild service to people who send in their trigger, if it is just the convenience factor.
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Much to my surprise, response has been overwhelming that most people want the complete assembled drop-in, rather than the kit. Dunno if that is for the convenience, or if people just want to be able to keep the trigger pack as a spare, or if they are afraid to dis-assemble the trigger pack.
I can speak for myself in why a fully assembled trigger pack would be desired. Easier to sell either my existing pack (already polished and lightened springs and is very smooth and <5lbs for the trigger pull) OR the Shooting Sight pack if so desired (not sure I'd sell either but could easier if they were as a "pack"). The videos out there for taking apart the entire trigger assembly make it VERY easy to do even if you've had no prior experience, so I don't think it's out of fear. Also, if I ever want to send my Scorpion back to the mothership for warranty/repair, I can put the factory trigger back in quickly/more easily.
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Thanks. I had not thought or the resale angle. That helps. Well, it doesn't help, as I am still waiting on the CZ parts, but for future rounds of ordering it helps :-).
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Going to bump this up. I'm looking at either the CZC trigger pack or the drop in Shooting Sight. Does the CZC really require fitting? I have no problem installing the trigger parts, but not sure I feel like having to bust out the files.
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Going to bump this up. I'm looking at either the CZC trigger pack or the drop in Shooting Sight. Does the CZC really require fitting? I have no problem installing the trigger parts, but not sure I feel like having to bust out the files.
In talking with the folks at CZC when I was ordering the parts I decided that it was worth the extra money to have them do the install AND tune the trigger. In my experience, it is not that I could not have installed the parts, I am more than proficient and doing many "gunsmithing" tasks. I am of the opinion that at times, it is worth the money to have someone that specializes at a skill perform the work.
In the case of this trigger, I am more than glad to have waited the eight weeks and paid the extra money to have the trigger tuned. I base that statement on a comparison of the triggers in my pair of CZ Scorpions. My carbine has the CZC trigger installed and tuned by them. It has a great pull and shorter reset. My pistol had a spring set installed and some polishing done when I bought it. While the trigger in the pistol is better than an untouched stock trigger, it DOES NOT pull or reset as nicely as the CZC trigger.
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Going to bump this up. I'm looking at either the CZC trigger pack or the drop in Shooting Sight. Does the CZC really require fitting? I have no problem installing the trigger parts, but not sure I feel like having to bust out the files.
In talking with the folks at CZC when I was ordering the parts I decided that it was worth the extra money to have them do the install AND tune the trigger. In my experience, it is not that I could not have installed the parts, I am more than proficient and doing many "gunsmithing" tasks. I am of the opinion that at times, it is worth the money to have someone that specializes at a skill perform the work.
In the case of this trigger, I am more than glad to have waited the eight weeks and paid the extra money to have the trigger tuned. I base that statement on a comparison of the triggers in my pair of CZ Scorpions. My carbine has the CZC trigger installed and tuned by them. It has a great pull and shorter reset. My pistol had a spring set installed and some polishing done when I bought it. While the trigger in the pistol is better than an untouched stock trigger, it DOES NOT pull or reset as nicely as the CZC trigger.
Thanks for the reply and insight. It is honestly hard for me to go $400+ into the trigger of a non precision range toy....but then again it is already SBR'd so I am married to it. Maybe I will install it and adjust it myself and if not happy send it to them to be "tuned".