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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Saami_Says on May 03, 2019, 08:25:17 PM

Title: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on May 03, 2019, 08:25:17 PM
Hello all,

I am new to the forum and just picked up my first CZ which is a P-01 steel frame.
The reason I am posting this is because I have run into an issue with it that I was wondering if anyone else has experienced.
The problem is the slide stop just barely engages the magazine follower and unfortunately every time I insert an empty magazine into the pistol and pull the slide back the follower rises passed the slide stop which prevents the slide from locking back but also makes the magazine difficult to remove.
Something that I noticed that has made it slightly worse is I swapped the magazine release because I am left handed. The catch now pushes the magazine away from the slide stop while inserting it until it is locked in place instead of towards the slide stop like it would with the catch on the left side.
The issue is present either way, engagement is minimal but much more noticeable with the mag catch reversed.
I recently purchased a new slide stop and installed it thinking maybe the original was machined too short but this did not help. Both magazines also offer the same results so I am less inclined to believe it is a mag issue. I am not new to firearms but wanted to see if anyone else has run into this and if so what the fix was?
I really appreciate any helpful feedback.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: M1A4ME on May 04, 2019, 06:28:52 AM
Never had that issue.  I have multiple compacts with magazines from 14 to 19 rounds in use. 

Only mag. issue I've had is 3 new magazines not pushing the slide lock into a fully upward position when locking the slide back on an empty magazine.  New/higher power springs solved that, but it doesn't sound like it would help you.

And I had one of those steel framed P01 looking CZ75 compacts and shot it a bit and never had issues with it.

When you say the follower never makes contact with the slide lock are you talking about the flat ledge (below the angled nose of the follower) on the left side of the follower?

Thought I had a picture of the follower at the top of the magazine, but there's a bullet in the way (different problem someone was having.)
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on May 04, 2019, 06:41:19 AM
Call CZ USA and explain the problem.They will take care of you. Never heard of such an issue with a CZ.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Tok36 on May 04, 2019, 07:04:03 AM
Reference picture for top of follower.

(https://i.imgur.com/G4zina0.jpg)
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on May 04, 2019, 10:24:57 AM
Thanks for the responses!
Here are a few pics of the problem. The shelf on the follower that is cut out specifically for contact with the slide stop misses the slide stop. I think I probably will send this back to CZ.

It is really only a problem when inserting an empty mag with the slide closed. It will almost always miss the follower
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190504/bb70fb241a02337776b0734a3bcff144.jpg)


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on May 04, 2019, 06:56:58 PM
I'd contact CZ-USA and email those pics to them.That may just be an out of spec slide stop and maybe they could just send you a replacement. Definitely make them aware of that.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: cousinmark on May 05, 2019, 12:44:00 PM


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 110%
...somethings a hair out of whack. I know its not what you want to hear bur my $.02 would be to send the entire pistol in and let them check everything over. It could well be a the slide stop but...
Part of what you paid for was a manufacturers warranty, use it.
    Again, JMO
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on May 05, 2019, 12:51:12 PM
Well, I guess this will be going back tomorrow so they can look at it. I hate to send it off but I agree that it?s something that needs further inspection. I appreciate all of the feedback and I will update once more info is available.
Thanks!


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: spitfire007 on May 10, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
I sent off a used P01 I?d bought at a gun show. Looked new barely used. Had issues and called CZ USA. They asked me to send it in, and shipped a brand new one back to me.
How?s that for customer service!


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on June 29, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
Just as an update, I sent my P-01 back to CZ to address the issue mentioned above. They had it for 6 weeks, replaced the slide stop just as I had and sent it back with only one of the two magazines I sent. I called them and luckily they were able to find it and shipped it back to me, arriving a few days later. The issue is still present and has not been resolved. I guess it’s just something I’ll have to live with. The major annoyance with it is it prevents the magazines from falling out and they have to be stripped out by hand. Otherwise I love the pistol. I love the way it feels, shoots and looks.
Again, thanks for all of the input from everyone.


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: David0408 on July 01, 2019, 12:47:06 PM
Uhhhh, that’s unacceptable. I’d call them back with a little more vigor this time. Good luck!


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Mercs on July 01, 2019, 11:34:33 PM
Sell sell sell (pm me)


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on July 02, 2019, 04:56:05 AM
Just as an update, I sent my P-01 back to CZ to address the issue mentioned above. They had it for 6 weeks, replaced the slide stop just as I had and sent it back with only one of the two magazines I sent. I called them and luckily they were able to find it and shipped it back to me, arriving a few days later. The issue is still present and has not been resolved. I guess it’s just something I’ll have to live with. The major annoyance with it is it prevents the magazines from falling out and they have to be stripped out by hand. Otherwise I love the pistol. I love the way it feels, shoots and looks.
Again, thanks for all of the input from everyone.


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Something is a tad fishy here. I think it strange that they would send the gun back with such an obvious problem. Are we getting the whole story here? Have you contacted them again to address this?
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: M1A4ME on July 02, 2019, 12:00:56 PM
I no longer have a steel framed P01/CZ75 Compact that is made like a P01.

Yesterday I did grab one of my P01 Omegas and field strip it and then empty out a magazine.  There is no way I could push, twist, shove the top of the magazine far enough to get the slide stop to slip off the follower.

Are the P01 slide stops different than CZ75 Compact slide stops?  I think I read (here) that the P01 frames are thicker.  If so it seems like the slide stop would be just a tad longer (shaft and the part that engages the slide/magazine follower) to insure similar contact patches/area with the follower and the frame.

Second thing is magazines.  I've gotten a couple/six Mecgar magazines that had issues.  Mecgar makes the magazines for CZ's.  Could there be a magazine issue?  Have you tried different magazines?

For info, my magazine issues were some 19 round magazines that had slightly larger body dimensions than the others I'd bought.  And some with weak/dragging magazine springs.  That's why I suggested trying a different magazine, or two.  Easy for me, maybe not so easy for someone that doesn't have multiple pistols/magazines.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on July 02, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Just as an update, I sent my P-01 back to CZ to address the issue mentioned above. They had it for 6 weeks, replaced the slide stop just as I had and sent it back with only one of the two magazines I sent. I called them and luckily they were able to find it and shipped it back to me, arriving a few days later. The issue is still present and has not been resolved. I guess it’s just something I’ll have to live with. The major annoyance with it is it prevents the magazines from falling out and they have to be stripped out by hand. Otherwise I love the pistol. I love the way it feels, shoots and looks.
Again, thanks for all of the input from everyone.


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Something is a tad fishy here. I think it strange that they would send the gun back with such an obvious problem. Are we getting the whole story here? Have you contacted them again to address this?

I haven’t withheld or manufactured any misleading information regarding the issue, there would be no benefit in doing so.
The only information provided on the return document was that the slide stop was replaced and it function fired good. I called after getting it back in the hopes of getting more information but didn’t get a return call, which I don’t hold against them because I’m not under the illusion that I’m their only customer. I am not bashing CZ, if I was it would be quite a bit more obvious, plus I don’t work like that.
I’m not typically a forum poster but I was hoping that I would find that someone had seen this issue and would say that CZ had a run of short slide stops or something and it be an easy fix.

With the contact I’m getting it almost always fails when inserting an empty magazine and pulling the slide back, something commonly done while performing a function check, because locking the slide back whether firing or not is a function of the firearm. It does however manage to lock the slide open a majority of the time when firing. With this said, it is only barely doing so by the edge of the follower, which is going to wear quickly due to the small contact surface area and it being metal against polymer. I foresee it failing more once it sees more use.
My initial post was prior to having fired it yet, so I was going off how it functioned manually. I was surprised to find that it did lock the slide back while firing but it’s still an issue nonetheless and concerning because of the lack of contact and the potential of being a regular issue down the road.
Here is a photo of the followers themselves which shows the tiny contact mark when it does make contact.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190702/488d001f09f81cd7ccff09fbd2259e12.jpg)


To answer the second question, I have only tried the two magazines that were included with the pistol but I’m looking at getting more. I’m sitting at 3 different slide stops through the pistol so far with no change.  Was there ever a longer slide stop?
Thank you




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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: M1A4ME on July 02, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
That is a tiny contact spot.  Teensy tiny.  I wouldn't feel good about it either.  There may be many out there like that but I've only looked closely at my Urban Gray P01 and it has a much larger contact patch between the end of the slide stop and the follower.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: ZombieRecon on July 03, 2019, 04:16:12 PM
Just as an update, I sent my P-01 back to CZ to address the issue mentioned above. They had it for 6 weeks, replaced the slide stop just as I had and sent it back with only one of the two magazines I sent. I called them and luckily they were able to find it and shipped it back to me, arriving a few days later. The issue is still present and has not been resolved. I guess it’s just something I’ll have to live with. The major annoyance with it is it prevents the magazines from falling out and they have to be stripped out by hand. Otherwise I love the pistol. I love the way it feels, shoots and looks.
Again, thanks for all of the input from everyone.


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Something is a tad fishy here. I think it strange that they would send the gun back with such an obvious problem. Are we getting the whole story here? Have you contacted them again to address this?

nothing fishy about it, I have dealt with their customer service on more than one occasion and it has always been a pitiful experience. I'm not even slightly surprised they didn't fix it and that they only returned one magazine.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on July 03, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
Just as an update, I sent my P-01 back to CZ to address the issue mentioned above. They had it for 6 weeks, replaced the slide stop just as I had and sent it back with only one of the two magazines I sent. I called them and luckily they were able to find it and shipped it back to me, arriving a few days later. The issue is still present and has not been resolved. I guess it’s just something I’ll have to live with. The major annoyance with it is it prevents the magazines from falling out and they have to be stripped out by hand. Otherwise I love the pistol. I love the way it feels, shoots and looks.
Again, thanks for all of the input from everyone.


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Something is a tad fishy here. I think it strange that they would send the gun back with such an obvious problem. Are we getting the whole story here? Have you contacted them again to address this?

nothing fishy about it, I have dealt with their customer service on more than one occasion and it has always been a pitiful experience. I'm not even slightly surprised they didn't fix it and that they only returned one magazine.

I've dealt with CZ customer service on more than one occasion and have always found the experience and the service to be stellar. Far and away a cut above what I've dealt with from the likes of S&W,Walther,Springfield and Taurus.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on July 03, 2019, 09:38:42 PM
I called CZ and spoke with one of their reps and explained that the issue was still there and my concern was again that this would progress into the followers never making contact considering they barely make contact part of the time, and I mean that as a fact, not as being a wise-guy.
The rep spoke with the gunsmith and got back on the phone and said they replaced the slide stop and it seemed fine but I could send it in again if I wanted to. I told them I’d email over some photos of the contact between the two parts and asked for a gunsmith to look at them and say whether it was considered normal or not. After doing so I got a reply from one of their gunsmiths (within an hour or so) who said I should send it back in and they would resolve it.
CZ has been very timely in their responses and someone answers the phone every time I call. They also said since it’s coming in a second time for the same thing that it’ll be looked at as soon as they get it instead of their typical 4-6 week turn-around.
Again, I have not been bashing or intended to bash CZ, I’m simply stating the facts of this whole thing.
I’m going to send it back and will update with the results. Thank you to everyone again for the replies and input.


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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Tok36 on July 03, 2019, 10:15:24 PM
Having not seen this issue prior to your post i am interested to find out what we can about the cause of the issue. Thank you for the updates Saami_Says.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on July 04, 2019, 05:31:19 AM
I do not have a steel framed SP01 but I have other 75 variants including a 75B compact and PCR which use the same mags. I checked the contact point on all of mine and they all make far better contact.CZ will resolve the issue and if they can't make your gun right be prepared for them to just send a new one.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Saami_Says on July 26, 2019, 12:09:03 AM
Well, it’s time for my update.
I received my P-01 back from its second trip. This time the gunsmith who worked on my P-01 added some material by welding and reshaping the tab, and now I have acceptable engagement of the slide stop to the magazine follower. The addition of material and reshaping was done superbly and I am very pleased with the result. He also sent me an additional 16 round magazine along with my original two 14 round magazines.
I will be putting this pistol through some use to see how it holds up, hopefully I will not have any issues with longevity with this slide stop however if I do it can be corrected.
As far as identifying a specific cause for this issue, no real details were given. I believe it is probably tolerance stacking but this is just my opinion. Either way I am pleased with the outcome and glad that it’s reliable now regarding this function. Turn around time was greatly reduced this go around and I received an update when I requested it, plus the additional magazine which was generous.
I’ve got a new front sight on order because the factory one is pretty underwhelming.
 
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Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on July 26, 2019, 04:40:47 AM
That looks much better. You shouldn't have any issues with that for a good long time.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: Frozencpu on July 26, 2019, 11:51:42 AM
Now thats some great customer service.
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: briang2ad on July 27, 2019, 10:32:55 AM
So the frame is out of spec?  Given it takes an 'oversized slide stop'.  Seems very strange. 
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: thedude on July 27, 2019, 12:08:05 PM
So the frame is out of spec?  Given it takes an 'oversized slide stop'.  Seems very strange.

Yeah, what happens if you break a slide stop, which can happen?  I keep a spare on hand that I can drop in and function 100%.   I'm glad the OP is happy with the outcome, but I'm sorry CZ that would not be an acceptable solution for me.     
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: briang2ad on July 27, 2019, 12:18:10 PM
CLEARLY they should replace the gun.  Having to craft a SS if it breaks is unacceptable - in the objective sense.  Not just a gripe - this is not the way to do business.  Non-kudos to CZ USA. 
Title: Re: Recently purchased P-01 issue
Post by: thedude on July 27, 2019, 12:20:30 PM
CLEARLY they should replace the gun.  Having to craft a SS if it breaks is unacceptable - in the objective sense.  Not just a gripe - this is not the way to do business.  Non-kudos to CZ USA.

Agreed 100%