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Title: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on June 02, 2019, 03:14:37 PM
So between these two polymer pistols, what made you pick a P-07 or P-09 over the other? I know the P-09 is  larger, has more rounds and a bigger grip and the P07 is more of a compact weapon.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Jav_eee on June 02, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
I picked my 07 because I liked my 09 so much and wanted something a little smaller for daily carry. I got the 09 at a pawn shop for $325 and fell in love with it. My 09 has been on nightstand duty ever since I got the 07.


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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Kelsw on June 02, 2019, 03:44:23 PM
My carry is a shield 9 mm stock 1.0 . All my other pistols are HD or range plinkers . I prefer full size pistols . No use for a compacts as I don't do on body carry . I put Night Fision sights on my P-09 (internals all stock) and it works like a charm . I have the safety on it as I usually stick to SA mode when shooting it . The SA is nice and light enough for me .  Most people go with a P-07 for carry vs a P-09 .
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: ARP on June 02, 2019, 04:06:27 PM
Yes.










P-09 was my first CZ. Capacity was reason 1. Full sized plus combat pistol. Customizing with backstraps (5 years ago), safety or decock option. And lastly polymer hammer fired.

Yesterday I picked up a P-07, od green with a kadet kit for $550. I wanted a compact hammer fired pistol that was a bit safer than a striker fired conceal piece. Last summer I picked up a Shield which is fine for carry, looked heavily at a Beretta px4 in urban grey, was ready to buy and then noticed a big scratch on the slide, broke deal. Bought the Shield instead. When I consider which gun I shoot the most, it is my P0-9 in .22lr format. When the used P0-7 kadet kit became avail, no brainer.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: radagast on June 02, 2019, 04:45:54 PM
     Fired quite a few pistols before the CZs, and had to travel 150 miles to try the P07 and P09. I actually shot the P09 a little better, but liked the feel of the P07. Might have just been the balance point, but it was enough. Capacity may have swayed me if I was in The Land of the Free, but NJ made that point moot !  Wife bought one in ODG a year later !   
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: timetofly on June 02, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
The P-07 and P-09 were on my wish list when I lived in CA.  Once I left CA and got settled I knocked both off of my list in a matter of months.  At this point in time, I wouldn't change my decision to buy either. 
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: M1A4ME on June 02, 2019, 09:21:31 PM
I was shelving the M&Ps (poor accuracy and reliability issues) and was looking for something to replace the M&Ps (which had replaced XDMs which had replaced Glocks which had replaced a Browning which replaced my 1911s).

I saw a P07 DUTY in .40 S&W (this was 7 or 8 years ago??  time flies).  My very first thought was "buy the P07 in .40 S&W and then buy a .357 SIG barrel for it.  Getting .357 SIG barrels for other brands/models of .40's wasn't too difficult.  Not so for the P07.  Have one made, sent the pistol off to have it fitted, etc., etc. but I couldn't just order one and install it when it came in.

Then I shot it.  NO way, NO way was I going to do anything to mess up a pistol that shot groups like this.  NO.  WAY.

13 rounds.  Just over 12 yds.  off hand. 135 grain Nosler HPs on top of a compressed charge of Blue Dot powder.  The single one low to the right was a surprise to me.  No idea why/what happened.  The single off low left was the last shot of the 13.  There was a dang big bumble bee hovering in front of the target and I thought I take a shot at it (another shot with no witnesses) and I missed it.

(https://i.imgur.com/BivwC7Ql.jpg)

My next CZ was a 9MM P09.  Based on the combination of the accuracy, reliability, feel in my hand of the P07 .40 and some of Joe's 100 and 200 yd. P09 9Mm you tube videos.

I was not disappointed.  The P09 is even more accurate than the P07.

The P07 remains my primary concealed carry pistol to this day.  Wore it home to WV this past weekend and back to VA today.

Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: MadDuner on June 02, 2019, 09:25:02 PM
A P-07 will most likely follow me home some day next week.....
The last time I went to the gun store to buy one - I came home with a Cajunized P-01.
I still want a P-07 though.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: SSGN_Doc on June 03, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
I picked the P07, because the size just seemed right for both shooting and carrying.  The P07 is about Glock 19 sized, and that was the pistol the P07 was targeted to replace.  I?ve found I tend to shoot, carry and use handguns in this size range more than bigger pistols or more compact pistols.  The big ones don?t seem to pack quite as easy, and the tiny guns don?t handle as well, for me.

So, for me the P07 is just in that Goldilocks zone as far as size goes.  Not too big, not too small, but just right.  Preferences are differen5 for everyone though, but the P07 meets mine.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Claymore504 on June 03, 2019, 09:12:18 AM
I got my P07 first due to size for carry purposes. Then I picked up the P09. For general shooting I prefer the P09 for sure. It is amazing. If I had to pick one and was not worried about carry, the P09 would be then one.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: DWARREN on June 03, 2019, 12:33:47 PM
Got both. I have carried the P-09 but the P-07 is easier to conceal.
Both feel good in the hand and shoot great.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: lewmed on June 03, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
 My P07 was my first CZ I bought it to replace a Glock 19 mos that I called my Glock POS the only thing I remember liking about that Glock was selling it. My P07 has been problem free and a joy to shoot I now own 5 CZ pistols. I have no need for a P09 if I want to shoot a full size 9mm I'll shoot my SP01.
Title: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Bigkev on June 03, 2019, 02:20:57 PM
The P-07 is my one and only CZ. Bought it because I liked the look of the OD green frame and the fact that it came with night sights too. Never laid a hand on one before. Did my due diligence and researched the heck out of it and then took a stab in the dark and ordered one. Not something I would do ordinarily, but I lucked out. I put the 07 dead nuts even with my Browning high power as a favorite gun. The 07 is by far my go to carry gun, it?s reliable, incredibly accurate and fairly comfortable to carry.


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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: seebee62 on June 03, 2019, 09:30:02 PM
I picked the P07 because I was looking for a compact DA/SA at mid level price and being polymer the weight would be along the lines of my polymer strikers that I carry.

When I carry my P07 it?s usually with the 15+2 mag still very concealable.


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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Yoni on June 04, 2019, 06:22:15 AM
I looked at them because friends of mine who are very serious lads once they got out of the army all became big P07/09 fans.

That got me looking then I got my P07 CGW, and it is love forever.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: briang2ad on June 04, 2019, 07:33:41 AM
In reality you cannot.  You buy both.  Trust me. 
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: sparkyv on June 04, 2019, 07:41:59 PM
Like so many in this thread, I too have both.  I got the P-07 DUTY in 9mm when it first came out because I  prefer SA/DA handguns, and because I read an incredible torture test article,  and for CC.  It has a sweet trigger!  Alas, I never did get used to carrying it, so it was relegated to truck gun status.  I'm a huge fan of the 40S&W, so it made sense to get the full sized P-09 in 40.  It shoots well enough,  but the trigger had a really long pre-travel; the trigger is nowhere near the quality of the P-07.  They are both keepers, they have a permanent stall in the stable!
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: DOC 1500 on June 08, 2019, 07:40:35 AM
Like so many in this thread, I too have both.  I got the P-07 DUTY in 9mm when it first came out because I  prefer SA/DA handguns, and because I read an incredible torture test article,  and for CC.  It has a sweet trigger!  Alas, I never did get used to carrying it, so it was relegated to truck gun status.  I'm a huge fan of the 40S&W, so it made sense to get the full sized P-09 in 40.  It shoots well enough,  but the trigger had a really long pre-travel; the trigger is nowhere near the quality of the P-07.  They are both keepers, they have a permanent stall in the stable!
Sparkyv, if you're a big fan of 40 S&W did you see these?  what a great Buy.
http://summitgunbroker.com/4006-tsw-chp.html
Mine arrived with very little use and clean as can be on the inside.
The grip on the right side had some significant wear,, probably from a seat belt buckle, so I changed out the grip for a Hogue rubber grip and stippled it.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Yankchef on June 08, 2019, 01:04:04 PM
I own both and the 07 will be up for sale sometime soon. The p09 is not going anywhere because I shoot it way too well.

The p09 in my opinion is the flattest shooting, one of the most easy to be accurate with, and maybe the all around best plastic 9mm gun I've ever shot from a performance standpoint. The p07 is great too but the 09 really shoots and runs like a completely different gun. Mine came with the pro package already installed and my 07 is internally stock so I should point that out.

But the 09 runs faster, flatter and smoother than all of the other long slide full size plastics I've shot regardless, the pro package don't do that

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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: briang2ad on June 10, 2019, 08:10:58 AM
I own both and the 07 will be up for sale sometime soon. The p09 is not going anywhere because I shoot it way too well.

The p09 in my opinion is the flattest shooting, one of the most easy to be accurate with, and maybe the all around best plastic 9mm gun I've ever shot from a performance standpoint. The p07 is great too but the 09 really shoots and runs like a completely different gun. Mine came with the pro package already installed and my 07 is internally stock so I should point that out.

But the 09 runs faster, flatter and smoother than all of the other long slide full size plastics I've shot regardless, the pro package don't do that

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You've shot the P30L?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Yankchef on June 10, 2019, 12:16:39 PM
I've never shot a p30l but I've handled one a few times and it's got a trigger that... You would have to get accustomed to or have work done on it. I've shot a vp9 and liked it but I have a ppq so felt no need to buy an hk plastic gun, I think the p09 is a better option. Obviously I said it's the best shooting plastic gun you can buy. I had a phantom for a short time and the p09 to me shoots flatter, recoils smoother, although with some cgw parts I'll say I vastly preferred the da on the phantom, sa better on p09. The ts czechmate sa embarrasses them all tho

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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: briang2ad on June 10, 2019, 12:23:06 PM
I asked because the comparable choice is the P30L.  I would think the P09 is better, but would love to shoot the P30L.  I have shot a P30 and it was about as good as my P07 - nothing to replace it with, but would like to try the L.

I don't get all the bad reports on the triggers on the O series HKs.  People rave how bad they are.  Every new one I pick up is fairly smooth and don't stack at all.  I think the DA travel is a bit long though.  The SA always seems reasonable to me.  Maybe a tad heavy.  They don't stack in DA as bad as CZ P guns.

I just know how easy the P09 is to shoot...
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Mifune326 on June 10, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
I love both my P-07 and P-09.  I'd have to go with the P-07 though because it conceals better and transitions quicker from target to target.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: nevada on June 11, 2019, 02:13:37 PM
I knew almost nothing about the P07 DUTY, same for the P09. I have a CZ75 and a CZ97B. The 75 is getting heavy as I age and the 97 is too big to conceal well. After reading some reports on the new P07 I took a chance on a good looking gun by a company I trust. Changed the back strap to more closely match the 75 and first shot it at my CCW class. Passed the shooting part easily (and the rest of the class). It carries easily and shoots well. Not laser accurate like the 75, but that is probably age also. I consider the P09 now and then but don't feel the need for a larger P07.

I didn't know what a CZ was when I bought the75, but it fit my hand perfectly and I lucked out on the performance. Pretty much the same for the P07 bought over the internet. I do like CZs.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Trevor300wsm on June 12, 2019, 02:31:50 AM
I was new to CZ?s when I bought my first 2. I ordered the P10C and the P07 at the same time. When I received them, I truly loved them both, but I knew that the 07 would be my new carry gun. Mainly because it felt so nice in hand, and I wanted to move to a DA/SA carry gun instead of a striker. Not long after that I ordered the P10F OR model. This gun is everything I?ve always wanted in a full size pistol. It?s stupid accurate. It transitions from target to target like the speed of sound. I?ve already got over 1000 rounds thru it and zero malfunctions. Last night I ordered the P09 after seeing s really good deal online. I hope it lives up to all the good praise it gets from the online community. It?ll have to be a laser beam to be more accurate than the P10F l have. I also recently picked up a very nice Shadow 2. So basically I went from having zero CZ pistols to having 5 CZ pistols in less than 2 months. People say that they are addictive, well they ain?t lying.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Claymore504 on June 12, 2019, 08:02:17 AM
I was new to CZ?s when I bought my first 2. I ordered the P10C and the P07 at the same time. When I received them, I truly loved them both, but I knew that the 07 would be my new carry gun. Mainly because it felt so nice in hand, and I wanted to move to a DA/SA carry gun instead of a striker. Not long after that I ordered the P10F OR model. This gun is everything I?ve always wanted in a full size pistol. It?s stupid accurate. It transitions from target to target like the speed of sound. I?ve already got over 1000 rounds thru it and zero malfunctions. Last night I ordered the P09 after seeing s really good deal online. I hope it lives up to all the good praise it gets from the online community. It?ll have to be a laser beam to be more accurate than the P10F l have. I also recently picked up a very nice Shadow 2. So basically I went from having zero CZ pistols to having 5 CZ pistols in less than 2 months. People say that they are addictive, well they ain?t lying.


You went all in on CZ quickly for sure! I think you will like the P09. I love it for sure. So much so that I just ordered a second one thanks to an awesome online deal as well. There is just something about the P09 for me. I really enjoy shooting it.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: LonChaney on June 18, 2019, 07:35:40 PM
I?ve always preferred a G19 sized gun. I shoot them better. I?ve been issued a 228/229 and a 226. Like the 228/229 sized gun better. Same with G19s and G17 or G34. So when I went looking I bought the 07. LOVE it. I ended up with a CGW?d 09 and traded it away. Didn?t shoot it as well as my 07.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: MadDuner on June 18, 2019, 09:17:14 PM
I?ve always preferred a G19 sized gun. I shoot them better. I?ve been issued a 228/229 and a 226. Like the 228/229 sized gun better. Same with G19s and G17 or G34. So when I went looking I bought the 07. LOVE it. I ended up with a CGW?d 09 and traded it away. Didn?t shoot it as well as my 07.

Have you shot a P-01 yet?
That?s the same size as the P-07, but in 75 form.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: OldGringo on June 19, 2019, 12:21:17 AM
My first CZs were the 75B and the SP-01 Tactical (which I love). I had always wanted a compact duty pistol and had rented a P-07 and liked it. When the P10C came out with all the attention and high demand, I thought (being a bit contrarian) that I could probably get a great deal on a P-07 and I did.

The arrival of the P10C not only lowered the price of P-07s but also the magazines, since P10C mags (which are essentially the same) were significantly cheaper and more available than the dedicated P-07 mags had been selling for $40+.

I've been thinking about a P-09  (there are some great deals out there), but the cost of the mags has been a bit of a turn off up to now. Hopefully with the P10F out the mags might get slightly cheaper ass well.

I would love to have a P-09 optics ready with the CGW pro carry package.  With a red dot, threaded barrel w/comp, and MecGar +2 base plates I think that would be a competition powerhouse (better than a G34 or a Q5 Match) that would match up quite nicely even to a Shadow 2 or a 2011. For a pistol that starts off essentially at an entry level price, there seems to be a lot of value there.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Yankchef on June 19, 2019, 12:28:19 AM
My first CZs were the 75B and the SP-01 Tactical (which I love). I had always wanted a compact duty pistol and had rented a P-07 and liked it. When the P10C came out with all the attention and high demand, I thought (being a bit contrarian) that I could probably get a great deal on a P-07 and I did.

The arrival of the P10C not only lowered the price of P-07s but also the magazines, since P10C mags (which are essentially the same) were significantly cheaper and more available than the dedicated P-07 mags had been selling for($40+).

I've been thinking about a P-09  (there are some great deals out there), but the cost of the mags has been a bit of a turn off up to now. Hopefully with the P10F out the mags might get slightly cheaper ass well.

I would love to have a P-09 optics ready with the CGW pro carry package.  With a red dot, threaded barrel w/comp, and MecGar +2 base plates I think that would be a competition powerhouse (better than a G34 or a Q5 Match) that would match up quite nicely even to a Shadow 2 or a 2011. For a pistol that starts off essentially as an entry level price, there seems to be a lot of value there.
The mags aren't too bad on the p09/p10f about 30-35 if you look around. I happen to have a p09 with a red dot, gen 5 34 mos and a q5 match and I gotta say, you're not wrong (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190619/5e72a53b1f2917d3a3a887a1c918d534.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190619/d8e76e16f3bbfa63445ef9c94ced4717.jpg)

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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Yankchef on June 19, 2019, 12:34:55 AM
https://youtu.be/hUaV-7k6HDg

Me shredding with the aforementioned p09, pretty sure the other guy was running a 34

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Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: M1A4ME on June 19, 2019, 06:46:04 AM
I will tell you one thing about my P07/P09 that always puts a smile on my face:

On some other forums that are dedicated (or lean strongly towards) the perfect pistols when I explain why I don't like their favorite pistol brand and share pictures of my P07/P09 it seems to upset people that the rear sight is in front of the RMR.  And then, I double down and share pictures of the groups.  That usually gets me an even more upset reply, or three.  When the excuses start coming.

As I posted on another forum the other day, There are reasons we buy CZ's.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: LonChaney on June 19, 2019, 04:42:52 PM
I?ve always preferred a G19 sized gun. I shoot them better. I?ve been issued a 228/229 and a 226. Like the 228/229 sized gun better. Same with G19s and G17 or G34. So when I went looking I bought the 07. LOVE it. I ended up with a CGW?d 09 and traded it away. Didn?t shoot it as well as my 07.

Have you shot a P-01 yet?
That?s the same size as the P-07, but in 75 form.

I have not. Been tempted to buy one a couple times, but haven?t.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: SEAKPhotog on June 20, 2019, 12:13:08 AM
So basically I went from having zero CZ pistols to having 5 CZ pistols in less than 2 months. People say that they are addictive, well they ain?t lying.

Ha, I went from zero to 4 CZs in 4 months. Started with  P10c, then bought an OD green P-01 on a whim and the minute I held it I knew I was hooked on the 75 platform. Bought an SP-01 almost immediately for a great price and just recently bought a PCR. I do have a P07 on my list tho. I'm digging the SA/DA world.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: 30-30 on June 20, 2019, 02:11:59 AM
I use the Glock platform at work, but I recently sold my two Gen3 Glock 19's and one Gen5 MOS Glock 19.  The Gen3 Glock 19 never really fit my hand and the Gen5 had changes that I never wanted.  So I came back to CZ after a two year break.  I bought two CZ P-07's (LE priced) as an off-duty option -- taking both shooting this Friday to see how they run.

It's funny, I started with a S&W DA/SA auto (S&W Model 459), then we all transitioned to a striker-fired auto. To be honest I never fully trusted the striker-fired platform as I do the DA/SA. 
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: M1A4ME on June 20, 2019, 06:05:42 AM
I've read, on other forums, that the P07 and P09 are "over complicated."  Then they recommend a Beretta 92.

I've read, on other forums, that the P07 and P09 are "cheaply made."  Then they recommend a Glock.

Funny how people can justify what they want.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Wobbly on June 22, 2019, 08:16:17 AM
"over complicated"

"cheaply made"

Funny how people can justify what they want.

Notice that neither reason is measurable.

We're transitioning to a world where "An ounce of appearance is worth a pound of performance."
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: MadDuner on June 22, 2019, 09:23:54 AM
I?m just happy to have buddies that let me shoot their choices.....
so I don?t end up buying the same mistakes. LOL

I haven?t shot a Glock yet that I liked.

But then again, none of my shooting buddies are interested in a Sig P290RS after shooting mine either!  They love my CZs though.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Indy_Tim on June 28, 2019, 09:12:37 AM
I ended up buying both P09s and P07s.  The P09 came first from a buddy and he was selling a P07 as well.  I didn’t really want the P07 but picked it up anyway.  Turns out that I now carry the P07s more than any other guns.  I’m up to 2 P09s and 3 P07s with a 4th probably coming this year if I can find a deal on an OD green one in 9mm.  Both of my P09s and two of my P07s are in .40.  The platform shoots the .40 round with the same feel as it does a 9mm.

I had a P09 in 9mm for a while but prefer the SP01 Phantom to the P09 for full size 9mm carry.  The P07 has been in my holster for EDC far more than any of my other CZs. 
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Grizzlie on July 06, 2019, 06:31:50 PM
Wanted a full fullsize polymer. Glock was waaay more expensive. CZ looked right. Don't regret at all.
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Vinny on July 06, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
I just love the feel of my P-07's and the way they shoot.

I thought I'd like the P-09 too, but I have to say for a full size I just prefer my SP-01 Tactical. JMHO

So I added Shield Arms +5 extensions on my 15 round P-07/P-10c mags for 20+1 and the P-09 no longer has any capacity advantage.
(https://i.imgur.com/E6CUX8V.jpg?1)
And they fit comfortably within the USPSA 141mm gauge:
(https://i.imgur.com/5U7pasj.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Why did you pick either a P-07 or P-09?
Post by: Metal Wonder Nine Guy on July 07, 2019, 10:06:50 PM
I've read, on other forums, that the P07 and P09 are "over complicated."  Then they recommend a Beretta 92.

I've read, on other forums, that the P07 and P09 are "cheaply made."  Then they recommend a Glock.

Funny how people can justify what they want.

Umm, I think it's safe to say that most DA/SA autoloading pistols are 'overly complicated', at least in their construction. Both the 92 and standard 75 series pistol designs have a lot of parts. Yes, there is some more effort that going into learning those pistols with a decocker or safety catch rather than something like a Glock or revolver. But once you learn your manual of arms to whatever you are using, be it a 92, 75 or P226, handling for those types of guns becomes second nature.

Polymer frames do seem to be a little more 'flimsy looking' than metal frames, at least to me. However, the looks are deceiving.  For polymer framed DA/SA pistols,  I've shot the CZ P-09, Beretta PX4 and the HK P30 and all three performed very similarly to my 92FS and 75B.