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Title: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on September 30, 2019, 11:20:36 AM
Good evening folks.  I'm in the market for a good concealed carry subcompact.

I've been trying a few different ones, and am not real happy with any of them.

The snubnose 38 S&W carries nicely, but I'm not very accurate with it.  I've tried to improve with it, but I think it's just a combination of things that are working against me and I'm tired of beating my head against the wall.

So, while that is what I am currently carrying, I'm wanting to look into something else.

I got a Kahr CM9, which I fell in love with.  Loved the little gun.

But it's not reliable enough.

When I first got it, it would have at least 1 light strike per magazine.  So, I thought, it's probably a weak striker spring.  So, I replaced it.

While that was a vast improvement, now I'm getting the erratic and occasional light strike about once every 3rd of 4th mag through it.  So, that has taken it out of contention because I simply don't trust it with my life.

So, I'm looking into a few other guns.  none of which I have put hands on, so I'm flying blind and wanting to get honest opinions from you guys.

The 3 that are on my radar are the

CZ2075 RAMI.

I have became a huge fan of CZ's in the last several years so no one needs to sell me on the idea that I'd like one.  I like the capacity and everything about it, except the price.  So, if anyone knows where I might could find one CHEAPly, I'm all ears.

The next, is the Springfield Armory Hellcat.  It's new and I'm not jumping on the bandwagon because of write hype.  I have read very little about it, but I do have one of the early versions of the XD Tactical line in .40 that I have never had a moments trouble from, so I think it would be OK, but I'm not a fan of the MSRP of them either.  At almost $600, that prices it well above what I'm wanting to pay.

And same goes for the CZ too, just to be completely honest about it.

The other gun that I am considering is below my budget and it's one of the Ruger LC9S Pro but I don't really like the lower capacity of it.

So, if anyone has any negative experience with any of these, and know good places to source them at reasonable prices, please reply with a link so I can try to pick one up.

Thanks men.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: mecenas on September 30, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
RAMI is a great choice but you will hard pressed to find one very much below 600 dollars. Ruger Security 9 compact will fit your description the best and you can find the street price under $400.00.
It is a larger version of LCP II with addition of thumb safety. Worth taking a look.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on September 30, 2019, 11:57:58 AM
You are correct.  I wrote the LC9s in my earlier reply but the security 9 compact was the one that I was referring to.

It is certainly on my list.  Matter of fact, I have one bookmarked in my computer now from buds that has a $309 pricetag and in stock.  So, while I would prefer the Rami due to how much I like my CZ's, at the end of the day, if around $600 is about the best that I can find a Rami for, just puts it over my budget.

I have owned a few Rugers over the years and have always been happy with how reliable they are and how they shoot.  I don't think that I would feel outgunned if that's all I had.   But like I said, I would prefer the rami if I could find one in the $450 - $500 ballpark.

For the time being, I'm going to cross my fingers for a few days that I might come across a decent used one.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: CZ_Top on October 01, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Didn’t someone post a link in the Rami Club of a Rami with a safety as opposed to a decocker for like $520?
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Vinny on October 01, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
John A,
The failure to fire issues you've had with your KAHR can be VERY disconcerting. There can be several causes of a failure to fire (faulty gun, ammo, grip, etc.) but if you can't trust your CCW, one of the considerations you may want to have in choosing another firearm is RESTRIKE CAPABILITY.  In other words, IF it doesn't go bang the first time, can you pull the trigger again and have another whack at it.

The RAMI which is a true hammer-fired Traditional DA/SA will give you this capability. 

But I don't believe the Kahr, Ruger Security 9, (unproven Hellcat) or striker-fired pistols can do this.

The RAMI is a great choice for CCW; but if $ is an issue; have you considered a DA/SA CZ P-07 which you could get for less $$ like ~$400 ?? OK, it's a little bigger but not any thicker with 15+1 capacity and a superb CCW IMHO.

If you want to stick with a sub-compact size hammer-fired DA/SA like the RAMI <$400 the choices get very limited. The only thing close (that I know of) you can buy new for <$400 is the Bersa Ultra Compact Pro TPR9C from Bud's:  https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/46503/Bersa+TPR9CM+Thunder+Pro+Compact+Single/Double+9mm+Luger+3.25+13+1+Black+Polym  Similar size to RAMI but long enough grip (13+1) for a full 3 fingers.

But IF you can....Spend the money on the RAMI and you won't look back!
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on October 02, 2019, 07:13:14 AM
Thanks for the reply vinny.

I have tried federal, Winchester, and a couple import surplus.

It's not the ammo.  It gives me trouble regardless of the brand, so that's why I replaced the striker spring.  Which helped but didn't completely resolve it.

I had a Taurus with restrike capabilities once.  It's a good thing it had it too because it also had light strikes. I got rid of that gun too.

It's not my grip. 

But I have other striker fired handguns that I don't have those problems with.  I just haven't had very good luck with cheap compact guns.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Vinny on October 02, 2019, 07:23:26 AM
Thanks for the reply vinny.

I have tried federal, Winchester, and a couple import surplus.

It's not the ammo.  It gives me trouble regardless of the brand, so that's why I replaced the striker spring.  Which helped but didn't completely resolve it.

I had a Taurus with restrike capabilities once.  It's a good thing it had it too because it also had light strikes. I got rid of that gun too.

It's not my grip. 

But I have other striker fired handguns that I don't have those problems with.  I just haven't had very good luck with cheap compact guns.
I know you were thinking about the Hellcat, so why not the SIG P365? The extended 12 round gives you a full grip and it's among the smallest CCW out there.
Yeah, I know it had some early hiccups (which is why I would stay away from the Hellcat for a year or two). I got one of the early P365's, and yes it had to go back to SIG for a faulty trigger bar spring (one of the known early issues), but since they fixed it I've got over 3000 flawless rounds with all types of ammo thru mine now. I truly believe SIG has it sorted out and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one now. Street prices NIB <$500 and you can find them used.

I love my RAMI BD, but for deep conceal, it's the SIG P365.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Vinny on October 02, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
It's really difficult to find a good RAMI 9mm, especially the BD model for under $500.......the newer Bersa TPR9C is an all-metal hammer-fired DA/SA ALLOY-framed steel-slide and at $378 it's a lot of handgun for the $. Similar in size as RAMI but with 13+1. It seems to be under the radar, but 16 of 16 reviews at Bud's were 5-star. You might want to look at this review:
https://www.getzone.com/sootch00-pistol-review-bersa-tpr9c-9mm-compact/

The Bersa TPR9C is a bit thicker in the grip (like the Beretta PX-4 sc) but it seems to be a very well-built  handgun. Maybe worthy of a look if you're thin on cash.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: cousinmark on October 02, 2019, 01:52:04 PM
I have 3 sub-compacts, my Rami BD being the largest and also most accurate. Over 2k failure free rounds. I prefer the 10 round magazine for carry and with that it's almost too big for me to conceal wearing shorts and a T-shirt. Up next a Ruger LC9s, she's slim, .5" shorter and lighter, so easier to carry. The Ruger as well is reliable, I've only had a few hang ups with her in about 1k rounds and that was only with a particular batch of Fiocchi ammo? She's 100% with everything else, BUT truly uncomfortable to shoot and marginally accurate over 7 yards. My last little darling is a Kimber Micro Carry .380, another .5" or so smaller, lighter, thinner and vanishes easily under a T with the stock 6 round magazine. I've got over 5k on this one, I can't recall the last failure and any that have ever occurred were after several magazines when things got sooty. Never a failure with self defense ammo and she's SURPRISINGLY accurate.  Being a .380 she's a soft shooter :-) This pistol and the various cousins/clones (Sig,Colt and Springfield all have a version) are copies of the Star D. Most of the companies offer a version in 9mm. If you like a SA trigger these may be something to look at?
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on October 02, 2019, 02:01:31 PM
Thanks for the reply.

I'm going to stick with the 9mm as the minimum caliber for CCW.  Just not a big fan of the 380.  Nothing personal to you or anyone else.  I just would rather stick with 9 or larger.

I seldom wear shorts.  You'll typically always find me in blue jeans and a t shirt.  That's mostly what I wear year round.

I even carry my full size K245 during the winter on a shoulder holster under my coat.  So, I don't mind carrying bigger guns either.

But I'm wanting some small these days, but reliability has to be really high.  I know that there is not a gun made that is guaranteed to go bang all the time and if you have never gotten a failure, it's only because you haven't shot it enough.

But, for right now, it looks like the Ruger security 9 compact is in the lead.  Plus, as has been pointed out, are on sale for $289 at kygunco, so that's probably going to be the one that I will be getting.  I just have to scrape up enough money to get it.  With Christmas and house taxes coming up, I have to figure out how I'll do it.  I may have to just wait and just carry the S&W a while longer.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Walt Sherrill on October 02, 2019, 04:07:23 PM
John A.

I wonder if the PM9 is a better choice than the CM9?  You're talking about spending more dollars already...   

I had a CW9, which was reliable, but it just didn't impress me.  I may have been spoiled by a P9 that I had years earlier.  I'd still have it but a friend made me an offer ($$$) I couldn't refuse after he shot it.  (I've also shot a friend's PM9 and it was, according to him, trouble free.)

You seem to love the CM9 except for the reliability issues, but it seems that you're the only one who has done any  diagnosing and related repairs.  Maybe your diagnosis caught PART of the problem but not all of it?

Have you talked with KAHR or gone to a KAHR forum to see if there's a known response to the problem you've described?   
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on October 02, 2019, 04:55:36 PM
No, to be honest, I didn't even know there was a kahr forum.  But it wouldn't hurt to join and ask.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: shortyboy21 on October 02, 2019, 05:52:43 PM
FYI, iAmmo.com has the safety version of the RAMI for $499. They have 5 left. Their shipping rates are very reasonable too.

https://www.iammo.com/cz-2075-9mm-14-round-3-pistol-in-alloy-rami-91750.html

Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on October 02, 2019, 06:15:39 PM
Thanks for the link shortboy.  I bookmarked it.

Walt Sherrill,  I joined the forum and made a post in the technical/troubleshooting forum, but I got a message saying it has to be approved by an administrator before showing up.

So, who knows if it will ever go live or not.  And even if it does, there are still no guarantees that I'll get a sure fire fix.  But, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Walt Sherrill on October 02, 2019, 07:03:28 PM
John A.

You can also have a local gunsmith look at it -- if there's a local one with a good reputation.

Sending it back to Kahr for a check or tune-up may be a less expensive option that trading it in or selling it, too.  (That will require that you find a local FFL who can send it via U.S. Mail  (so that the shipping costs are relatively low).  It will depend on what the FFL charges for the transfer paperwork.   If you bought it from a local dealer, the dealer may be willing to handle the shipping for you (but not necessarily the shipping costs.)

Those would be cheaper options than selling it or trading it in, and buying another.  Selling a troubled gun is difficult, if you're honest about the problems you're having.

Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on October 02, 2019, 08:02:16 PM
I'm generally pretty good at fixing my own guns and have no problem with it.  I even thought of lathing and shaving a couple thousandths off of the shoulder of the firing pin so it would go a little deeper.

But at the end of the day, I don't want to go full on wild with it either and would still not give me the confidence in the gun to trust it with my life and my families life.

Since a replacement factory spring didn't fix it, it still has issues that I don't want to band-aid over.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Vinny on October 03, 2019, 07:35:52 AM
I'm generally pretty good at fixing my own guns and have no problem with it.  I even thought of lathing and shaving a couple thousandths off of the shoulder of the firing pin so it would go a little deeper.

But at the end of the day, I don't want to go full on wild with it either and would still not give me the confidence in the gun to trust it with my life and my families life.

Since a replacement factory spring didn't fix it, it still has issues that I don't want to band-aid over.
If you trade-in the KAHR CM9 at a LGS toward something NIB that's has a bit more capacity and within your price range; maybe you can solve everything in one shot.  Yeah, you won't get a lot for the KAHR, but it will get you where you need to be.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on October 03, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
Very good advice.  And I would disclose that it has occasional light strikes.  Which I'm sure will devalue it even more than their usual profit margin.  You're lucky to get 45% of what a gun is worth in the first place around here.

I think I'm going to try to replace the firing pin first (it costs $16.50) just for the sake that I want to try to get it running.  If that fixes it: great. 

If not, I can say that I gave it an honest effort and not much else I want do with it.

I will also say the Ruger security 9 compact is looking better all the time.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: jack76590 on November 09, 2019, 07:33:38 AM
I had problems feeding JHPs in my Rami. I think I solved this by installing VERY heavy mag springs. Specifically the Wolff +10% for the FULL size CZ magazines. I can still get in 10 rounds as the coils are pretty far apart. I would not trust any longer CZ mag with JHPs in the pistol, if that is a consideration.

My most carried pistol is a Glock 26 with a tau striker control device installed. It is a bit lighter than Rami and for me has rounder edges which do not punch my body. I still like Rami for when I want a small DA/SA pistol. Other negative with Rami is need for frequent recoil spring replacements. Plus Rami does not have a lot of support for aftermarket items.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Axam86 on January 04, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
My 2 sense....I recently put my rami on my carry permit. The decocker works for as carry left handed even though I can shoot right handed also.
The rami is a great piece, accurate, smooth operating, Minimal recoil for its size. The gun is slightly heavier than my other two CCW choices. The p365 and P238. Three different styles of guns but all great for ccw
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: SteveR2013 on January 04, 2020, 09:28:49 PM
My 2 sense....I recently put my rami on my carry permit. The decocker works for as carry left handed even though I can shoot right handed also.
The rami is a great piece, accurate, smooth operating, Minimal recoil for its size. The gun is slightly heavier than my other two CCW choices. The p365 and P238. Three different styles of guns but all great for ccw
My carry rotation, depending on weather and clothing, is RAMI BD, Sig P938, or Sig P238. Of then all I am more accurate with the RAMI.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: THarbison on January 05, 2020, 11:38:16 AM
My first thought is look into getting a heavier spring for the Kahr. That and make sure the firing pin channel is free of oil and debris. Springs are usually pretty cheap. My second thought,  and I hope I don't ruffle your feathers, is perhaps your budget for something you are going to trust your life to is a bit low.

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Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: John A. on January 05, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
That doesn't ruffle my feathers at all.

The firing pin channel, as the rest of the gun, is completely spotless.

I can't find an extra power spring for that gun.  If you can link the one you're referring to, I would appreciate it because I haven't seen one.   Though I have seen factory replacements.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: mecenas on January 06, 2020, 04:37:43 AM
I agree, RAMI is a great gun, particularly with CZ Custom or CGW work, but for me it was just a bit too bulky and heavy for EDC. I am 5'8" tall and at any position on the belt, including appendix it was printing, unless I was wearing a coat and in Florida it does not happen too often.
Then I tried CZ P10S - a bit better in weight and thickness, a lot better in accuracy but still too thick. Then I switched to SIG P365 with LIMA green laser and my searched ended. It is by far the most concealable pistol with a higher capacity mags. I carry it at 1 o'clock position and it disappears even with just a shirt over it.
Not to depreciate the value of RAMI, it is a great gun, but unless you are tall and bulky, it just does not work as EDC piece.
Title: Re: Info on the Rami for CCW work.
Post by: Tonopah on January 08, 2020, 02:17:21 PM
I've been carrying a CZC Rami BD for a while now.  I carry with an IWB Falco holster.  As I get older (72) and my waist continues to disappear, I sometimes wear Perry suspenders and it sure makes carrying any sidearm more comfortable due to preventing my belt from sagging...!  I like the Rami (I own a CZC P-01 and a 97 BD too). They all feel good in the hand and shoot reliably and accurately.  BUT, truth be told, the best CCW pistol I own is a Sig P365.  It just disappears, is flat and light weight, and shoots totally reliably -- 10+1 is hard to beat in a pistol of that size.  But the Rami is somehow nicer.