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Title: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on October 10, 2019, 10:28:18 PM
New Rami from buds one month ago.  fired 100 rounds at the range with multiple fail to battery.  went again today, it was worse. Fail to battery, and fail to extract-so many i lost count. tried three different ammo, no change.  wanted it to be my ccw, don't think so.  CZ said to send it to them.  This sucks!
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Tok36 on October 10, 2019, 11:41:07 PM
I can think of a number of different causes for the stated issues. Not much that you can do aside from calling CZ. Hopefully they will turn it around fast and solve the issue.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Phlyers13 on October 11, 2019, 06:28:55 AM
Did you clean and lube it prior to shooting?
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Earl Keese on October 11, 2019, 06:49:17 AM
Welcome to the forum. 8)
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: cousinmark on October 11, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
Like has been mentioned being thoroughly cleaned and lubed is important. CZs come out of the box drenched in protective solvent, no offense if you are aware of this.
That being said in the past 4 years I've sent in 2 Kimber, a Ruger, a CZ and a Marlin Rifle for warranty service. This isn't a CZ thing. If I buy something and it's not "goldilocks" it's going back until they get it right. It's sad that modern production methods wind up letting problems get past QC but "themself the breaks" :-) The main thing is you've found the little Czech beauty isn't quite right. My suggestion would be to send her back to KS and let them honor the warranty. If she comes back and still isn't 100% send her back again, and again if need be. Demand a replacement if they don't get it right after a few tries. Don't settle for a lemon, that's not what you paid for!!! JMO...
Good luck, keep us posted.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Ruber on October 11, 2019, 10:58:37 AM
That being said in the past 4 years I've sent in 2 Kimber, a Ruger, a CZ and a Marlin Rifle for warranty service. This isn't a CZ thing.
And I’ll add two Rugers and two S&W’s.

CZ service is great, they really get the RAMI’s going strong.  I highly recommend them.

If you are comfortable working on guns, and you really want to, you can do some troubleshooting, CZ’s are great for working on.

I’ve seen cleaning mentioned before, and I will reiterate, all if my CZ’s have required a deeper cleaning than any other new gun I’ve come across.

But CZ’s service does do a great job!
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on October 12, 2019, 10:34:15 AM
Thanks for the responses.  I did lube the pistol prior to shooting it.  When I field stripped it was pretty dry looking.  So, youtubed it and lubed it.  Contacted CZ and they are sending me info on shipping the pistol to them.  Really like the gun and hopefully they'll make it work.  Your responses have me optimistic.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Ruber on October 12, 2019, 11:27:35 AM
As shipped, the pistols can have a very hard thin layer os cosmoline on the internals.  That gives it the dry feel.  On a full sized gun, you drench it in oil (which is or acts like a solvent) and shoot, clean, oil, repeat.

That’s sometimes hard to do on a compact.  Earlier this year I picked up a 2019 rami.  I wound up detail stripping it and soaking the barrel and internals in ballistol overnight before the first shot. After putting it back together after that, you could feel the difference just racking the slide, so much smoother and easier.

I don’t recommend doing that unless you are very familiar with the workings of the gun, but I was really impressed by the condition once thoroughly cleaned.  And it has not had a single ftf, maybe some erratic extraction early on, but it goes bang with each click.

Hope yours gets going well enough you enjoy it as much!
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on October 12, 2019, 08:09:24 PM
thanks for the advice.  I really hate to ship it back to CZ but man it failed so much.  Believe it is something simple but I'm not a gunsmith. So we'll see what they say and do.

Lou
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: MeatAxe on October 17, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
thanks for the advice.  I really hate to ship it back to CZ but man it failed so much.  Believe it is something simple but I'm not a gunsmith. So we'll see what they say and do.

Lou

Any new pistol, but especially CZs since they seem to come from the factory choked with cosmoline, I will field strip and soak in a bucket of Hoppes #9 overnight (keeping the night sights above the surface) to dissolve the grease and then blow it dry with compressed air.

I’d try that before going to the trouble of sending it back to the mothership.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: akspotmom on November 04, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
Mine would run dry at IDPA matches and jam, found the white lithium grease mix made all the difference in the world. I call it my "oil burner" because it needs a lot of lube. At least 20k rounds now and no issues that are not mag related (rare).
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Fredward on November 05, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
I had a similar experience with a Rami. First trip out was with a friend. It worked perfectly for him. I sold it to him.  Odd.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on November 08, 2019, 04:12:19 PM
Update-  received Rami from CZ yesterday, went to range today fired 200 rounds , one failure to battery, but noticed I was missing to the left and it became worse.  Finally noticed front sight had shifted to the right.  It was so loose I could move it with my finger.  Not good.  Put back in place by smith at the shop but shifted again so quit shooting.  Called CZ said to send front sight back to them. Oh what fun! Really like the gun otherwise I would not go through this.  So sending the front sight back so they can send me a "better fitting " one.  Asked about sending the slide back but that would mean 2-3 weeks turnover.  Am I cursed?  Also asked about glue or adhesive. Any help appreciated. Lou
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Oldbear on November 23, 2019, 06:07:11 PM
Sorry to hear your problems.  I brought mine home and shot it.  Two failures to go into battery (fully chamber round) in the first 50 fired.   A light touch on the slide solved the issue each time.  Took her to the house, stripped it and thoroughly cleaned it.  800 rounds latter with nary a hiccup, including over 350 reloads.  Carry mine everyday and know I can trust it to eat whatever ammo I feed it.  Very satisfied with mine.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: slash257 on November 26, 2019, 03:33:52 AM
Been years since I bought mine.  I had similar issues out of the box.  At my wit's end I saw an article (here?) suggesting new stronger mag spring from Wolf.  It solved my issues. I was happy my problems were behind me.  But I was left with the thought, "Why do I need to buy new, stronger springs on a brand  new gun?"   Still pondering that....
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: akspotmom on November 26, 2019, 10:18:34 PM
Update-  received Rami from CZ yesterday, went to range today fired 200 rounds , one failure to battery, but noticed I was missing to the left and it became worse.  Finally noticed front sight had shifted to the right.  It was so loose I could move it with my finger.  Not good.  Put back in place by smith at the shop but shifted again so quit shooting.  Called CZ said to send front sight back to them. Oh what fun! Really like the gun otherwise I would not go through this.  So sending the front sight back so they can send me a "better fitting " one.  Asked about sending the slide back but that would mean 2-3 weeks turnover.  Am I cursed?  Also asked about glue or adhesive. Any help appreciated. Lou

At about 15k rounds my front sight walked off. I put it back on with red locktite under it and no other issues. I eventually put a Dawson fiber optic on it and that broke, replaced it with a new one last month and so far so good. Shot an IDPA match with the broken one (the front half was gone) and did all right (for me). The Locktite really works. Just don't use it on something you need to remove like screws. Use the blue for those.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: lewmed on November 27, 2019, 01:28:41 PM
 My Rami BD did the same thing after about 150 rounds I found the inner recoil spring had broken in 2 places CZ sent me a new springs and it's a 100% now. I now have 3 sets or recoil springs 1 for the range 1 for carry and a spare set just in case.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: dsierra on November 27, 2019, 08:20:00 PM
I bought my 2019 Rami about this time last year.  Had to send it to CZ after 1st time at range.  The rear sight would not tighten down.  They fixed it in in less than a week.  No other problems.  If I carried daily, I would carry the RAMI in an ankle holster without reservation. However, the stock sights suck big time.


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Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: akspotmom on November 28, 2019, 03:07:16 AM
However, the stock sights suck big time.

Yes the sights are bad. The Tritium is great at night, but any other time they are just grey to invisible dots. I put a fiber optic on the front that helps in other conditions, but suck in low light.
I have the TFX Pro sights (Tritium/fiber Optic combo) on the PCR and SP-01 and they are great! Wish I could get them for RAMI, but they don't make them and I don't feel like chopping away on some to try and make them fit. Some people have had success with that, but it's not easy.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Vinny on November 28, 2019, 03:40:58 AM
However, the stock sights suck big time.

Yes the sights are bad. The Tritium is great at night, but any other time they are just grey to invisible dots. I put a fiber optic on the front that helps in other conditions, but suck in low light.
I have the TFX Pro sights (Tritium/fiber Optic combo) on the PCR and SP-01 and they are great! Wish I could get them for RAMI, but they don't make them and I don't feel like chopping away on some to try and make them fit. Some people have had success with that, but it's not easy.
FYI- XS Sight Systems offer their Big Dot sights for the RAMI. Love the Big front tritium dot, but couldn't get used to the dot the 'I' tritium rear, but YMMV.  Ended up having CGW mount an RMR on mine and it's awesome!
(https://i.imgur.com/IqGQlFU.jpg?1)
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Fast Eddie on December 06, 2019, 06:35:46 PM

OK, here is one situation I have not seen described on this forum;

I own 3, (three), CZ pistols:  1. Full size CZ 75 BD 9mm,  2. CZ PCR D Compact 9mm and 3. Rami D 9mm.
I sent ALL THREE pistols to Cajun Gun Works for “IN HOUSE PRO PACKAGE”, ($350.00 plus gunsmith tune-ups).
The CZ 75 BD had >3000 rounds shot  through it without a hiccup.  The PCR had >4000 rounds shot without a hiccup.
(Without a hiccup means......NO FTF, NO STOVEPIPES, NO FAIL  TO EXTRACT,,,,NO FAIL ANYTHING!
I sent CGW the CZ 75 BD with >3000 rounds and the PCR with >4000 rounds run through them.  The RAMI I sent without firing one single round through it since I purchased it.

The RAMI 9mm D had MULTIPLE FAILURES TO FEED, (without a single stovepipe).  This occurred with 14 round and 10 round mags.  The slide failed to go to full battery at every failure to feed. The slide stuck 1,2,or 3mm short of battery each FTF.  After > 300 rounds there were no failures to extract.  99 % of the failures resolved with a single heel tap.  This repeatedly occurred with 1st rounds out of a magazine or later rounds.  This also occurred with my CZ 75 BD and PCR mags.

For a CC self defense weapon (RAMI) and after all my OUTSTANDING experience with my other CZ pieces.......THIS WAS NOTHING SHORT OF A HEARTBREAK!!!!!!.........I was DEVASTATED,,,,,,I felt BETRAYED,,,,,just BROKENHEARTED!!!!!

I called CGW and spoke to Scott.  He said: a) try > fps (self defense) ammo and let me know what your results are.  B) we can fix that if you send it back and c) it may be the mag springs.  (BTW, Scott at CGW was VERY receptive, cordial and genuinely engaged.)

The CZ 75 BD and the PCR fired PERFECTLY for > 200 rounds after receiving them from CGW.  This posting is in NO WAY a critique of CGW.  I have nothing but respect and love for my coonass brothers.

It is simply that to restore full CC confidence and trust in my RAMI I need convincing explanations on what is not working.  I want to know that I can rely on this beauty to protect my family and me.  If not, it will be out of the lineup.

Replies and comments will be STRONGLY APPRECIATED.

Respectfully,

E B Ferrer
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Fast Eddie on December 08, 2019, 01:18:39 AM

Follow/up:

Field stripped the Rami, soaked overnight with solvent.  Took apart and cleaned every one of 6 mags.  Dremel felt-fitz -polished the throat, ramp and breech.  Lubed and reassembled the pistol.  Went back to range.  Fired > 300 rds with 10 and 14 rd mags.  Used 5 different types of ammo incl. 115 and 124 gr, fps ranging from 1100 to 1200.  Used Federal, Sig Sauer, Sellier Bellot, Hornady and Winchester.  Had only 1 ftf very early and 100 % cycling/feeding after that.  I think this pistol needed a good cleaning and break-in.  Very accurate at 25 ft.  I’m very happy now!
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Tok36 on December 08, 2019, 04:31:41 AM
^^Awesome.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Claymore504 on December 13, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
I think a good deep cleaning is needed on most new CZ handguns and mags. All my CZ handguns except 2 I have bought new direct from CZ. They come very well preserved. All my mags have had some kind of sticky film on them. Sad to hear all the problems with the RAMI owners. A RAMI BD 9mm was my second CZ I ever owned. Deep cleaned it and the mags when I first got it. Never had a performance issue with it until I sold it. It had about 1000 rounds on it when I did. It did go back to CZ right when I got it though. When I tried to take the grips off for cleaing it one of the grip screws would just spin and never come out. Seems the nut in the frame had come loose and was just spinning in the frame. CZ took care of it and got it back.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on December 17, 2019, 03:54:28 PM
Still waiting on my slide with new front sight.  Horrible experience with CZ. Wanted to love this gun so much. CZ has had custody of my gun longer than I have had.  This is a big fat fail so far.  Wish I had never made this purchase!  Never had any problems with my Glocks.  What a mistake.  All I get are canned emails. HORRIBLE! But still hoping.
Lou
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Oldbear on December 18, 2019, 11:41:29 AM
When I got my Rami in Aug it was heavily coated in cosomoline.   Stripped it, degreased it, oiled it and took it out to shoot. 600+ rounds with Zero issues.   Multiple ammo types, including mild target level reloads.   Mine is not a decocker model.   
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on December 18, 2019, 03:41:21 PM
CZ still has my slide in order to install a new front sight. My original sight came loose (good QC?) and did not allow accurate shooting of  the pistol after the first 50 rounds.  I originally sent the pistol back after purchase because it would not fire two rounds in a row (good QC?).  When I got it back the front sight came loose.  Has been at CZ for weeks.  How long does it take to install a front sight?  I think I made a huge mistake in purchasing this gun.  Not a Glock fanboy but at least they work.  Rami for sale. Very disappointing!
Lou
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: MeatAxe on December 18, 2019, 07:34:14 PM
CZ still has my slide in order to install a new front sight. My original sight came loose (good QC?) and did not allow accurate shooting of  the pistol after the first 50 rounds.  I originally sent the pistol back after purchase because it would not fire two rounds in a row (good QC?).  When I got it back the front sight came loose.  Has been at CZ for weeks.  How long does it take to install a front sight?  I think I made a huge mistake in purchasing this gun.  Not a Glock fanboy but at least they work.  Rami for sale. Very disappointing!
Lou
Still waiting on my slide with new front sight.  Horrible experience with CZ. Wanted to love this gun so much. CZ has had custody of my gun longer than I have had.  This is a big fat fail so far.  Wish I had never made this purchase!  Never had any problems with my Glocks.  What a mistake.  All I get are canned emails. HORRIBLE! But still hoping.
Lou

That's unusual. CZ QC and Customer Support is usually pretty good.

The Rami front sight is a standard Novak dovetail - did you try any Novak sights? Otherwise, maybe the front dovetail on the frame was out of spec.

The Rami is a fairly uncommon pistol, so maybe the problem is getting a new slide from the Czech Republic. Hope it works out soon!
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Earl Keese on December 18, 2019, 08:38:48 PM
CZ still has my slide in order to install a new front sight. My original sight came loose (good QC?) and did not allow accurate shooting of  the pistol after the first 50 rounds.  I originally sent the pistol back after purchase because it would not fire two rounds in a row (good QC?).  When I got it back the front sight came loose.  Has been at CZ for weeks.  How long does it take to install a front sight?  I think I made a huge mistake in purchasing this gun.  Not a Glock fanboy but at least they work.  Rami for sale. Very disappointing!
Lou
Sometimes things don't work out. Good luck with the sale.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: Pyzon on January 07, 2020, 06:04:52 PM
Mine struggled with the 14 round mags, especially with my favored 147g JHP loads.  No issues at all with the 10 round mags.  Since the 14 round mags extend below the grips, I felt it made the pistol less desirable to carry, so I stayed with the 10 rounders.  My compact loves the 14 rounders, so they are still in use.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on January 21, 2020, 02:22:06 PM
back home.  been to the range three times. Perfection not here.  still having problems with rami.  200 rounds. worked well until last mag, then had three failures.   called rami they are sending me a recoil spring.  after maybe 500 rounds?  I'll give it a shot . Like Ive said before I want this to be my carry but she has to work.  Lou
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: MeatAxe on January 21, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
back home.  been to the range three times. Perfection not here.  still having problems with rami.  200 rounds. worked well until last mag, then had three failures.   called rami they are sending me a recoil spring.  after maybe 500 rounds?  I'll give it a shot . Like Ive said before I want this to be my carry but she has to work.  Lou

The Rami recoil spring has been covered on here multiple times, the shortened CZ40, sub-compact Rami seems to be extra tough on the outer recoil spring. 500 rounds seems to be about the max before it starts to wear out. They're only $6 each, so most people buy multiple replacement springs, always keeping a fresh spring in for EDC / self defense and wearing out the others when practicing at the range. Some folks have experimented with Wolff springs on here and gotten better longevity.

Did you ever soak your Rami in a bucket of Hoppes #9 overnight to dissolve the usual overabundance of cosmoline from the factory? That can make a big difference in the pistol's reliability.
Title: Re: rami fail
Post by: elguapo on January 27, 2020, 05:37:51 PM
This is too much.  Fedex arrives as I am waiting, meet him at the truck and show him the package has been tampered with and empty. Fedex no help. CZ sending me a second spring.  Update to follow. Appreciate you responses.
Lou