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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ SP-01 and variants => Topic started by: maleante on November 03, 2019, 10:52:31 PM
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About two months ago Armanov came out with the a new grip they initially called the 3d spyder grips, which were quickly renamed to the SpidErgo grips. By chance, at the same time I was looking for grips with more grippiness, the Armanov grips were announced. I bought a pair the first week they came out and once they arrived I instantly knew these would slowly replace my other CZ grips - they're just that good.
I've always liked the ergos of the factory rubber grips and the lok bogies, but had a preference for aluminum and really liked the thin aluminum grips, but with all the thin grips there's no actual "grip". These SpidErgo grips are the perfect combination. They're extremely grippy and the palm swells are just right. They fit my hands perfectly and feel great. I haven't come across any other grip with these features of aluminum, comfort, and a really sticky grip.
If you're looking for new grips, I'd strongly suggest checking out the SpidErgo's, they're an excellent choice.
See the album for pictures detailing the contour: https://imgur.com/a/rQNADIp
https://youtu.be/FVGnb0OGDwI (https://youtu.be/FVGnb0OGDwI)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZZ4VBkn.png)
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Nice, i am curious what the total width measurement is at the widest part of the palm swell. I am considering picking up a pair but i am unclear on the width in comparison to some of the other palm swell grips available.
Thank you for the pics and the video.
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Do they make them for compacts?
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The ARMANOV logo on these ruins it for me. Ew. So why aluminum over G10?
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Do they make them for compacts?
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No. Armanov being a competition focused European company, I doubt they see the benefit of compact grips for the US market. I'm fairly certain all their other grip options are full-size only.
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bummer. Tried thin G10 grips but too thin so I went back to the OEM. but would like to try something in-between.
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I hesitated buying the first pair due to the logo. I'm not one to have company advertisements on my firearms. That said, I've since accepted the logo because the grips are better than anything else I've tried.
I prefer the weight and metal texture over G10. These are sharper/grippier than lok and vz - that may be a characteristic of metal vs G10 - I don't know...
The ARMANOV logo on these ruins it for me. Ew. So why aluminum over G10?
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Beautiful grips, and it sounds like they are of a very high quality, but I agree with others....the logo ruins it. I would definitely have to fill in the letters with a matching paint or something to make them less noticeable.
They remind me of the CZ-Custom micro-pocket grips.
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bummer. Tried thin G10 grips but too thin so I went back to the OEM. but would like to try something in-between.
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LOK makes G10 palm swell grips for CZ compacts. https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-75/palm-swell (https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-75/palm-swell)
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Off topic, but what is the finish you have on that Orange CZ to the right?
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bummer. Tried thin G10 grips but too thin so I went back to the OEM. but would like to try something in-between.
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LOK makes G10 palm swell grips for CZ compacts. https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-75/palm-swell (https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-75/palm-swell)
but I assume they are the same thickness as the OEM rubber grips? or do they offer an intermediate thickness also?
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bummer. Tried thin G10 grips but too thin so I went back to the OEM. but would like to try something in-between.
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LOK makes G10 palm swell grips for CZ compacts. https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-75/palm-swell (https://lokgrips.com/cz-gun-grips/cz-75/palm-swell)
but I assume they are the same thickness as the OEM rubber grips? or do they offer an intermediate thickness also?
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https://lokgrips.com/product_images/uploaded_images/cz-75-grip-thickness-03.jpg (https://lokgrips.com/product_images/uploaded_images/cz-75-grip-thickness-03.jpg) Some comparison pics.
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Does anyone know whether these grips are also compatible with the CZ 85 model? Based on the picture in the initial post, it looks like the one with Gold grip might be a CZ 85, but I'd like to make sure before buying.
Thanks!
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Yes
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I've just put them on mine Shadow, much better for my big hands.
And i agree the logo ruins it, so I've change them!
(https://www.mupload.nl/img/0fab03e0gi.jpg)
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Put a set of red ones on my duo-tone shadow 1 and they rock. Very hand filling and grippy. Did anyone else get the nifty shopping cart key that unlocks the cart without having to spend a quarter. Gonna save so much money. Thought it was funny and such a random item to include with pistol grips.
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They sent me a shirt instead.
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Can anyone who has run these comment on grip compared to LOK bogies? They look very similar in design.
Cheers,
Toby
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Don't have loks but these are very grippy and hand filling.
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Depending on which size grip you order, they will either be bigger or smaller than the Lok grips. I have both Lok palm swell bogies and med Armanov grips. I prefer the Lok. The fit better in my hands.
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I measured the grips at the Mag release level and the screw level. These are on a CZ 75 B SA
CZ Rubber grips
1.23"
1.38"
Armanov Med
1.2"
1.42"
LOK Palm Swell Boogies
1.27"
1.46"
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Which grip is more aggressive/has more grip? LOK or SpidErgo?
Cheers,
Toby
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They are both almost the same. If my hands are wet, I'm getting the Lok would stay grippy and the Aluminum grips will be more slippery.
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Tempted to try these but torn on which size to order.
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The Med is closest to the CZ factory rubber grips.
They have a sizing chart on their website that you print out and put your hand on it to figure out which size you need.
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Yes but until you get them in your hand it is really hard to know what will "feel" the best/most secure. Medium is probably the safest pick.
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I originally considered these grips but ended up buying LOK palm swells. Unfortunately, the LOK palm swells don't quite fill my hand as I would like, mostly in the middle of my palm. I think that what I need is a grip that bulges out more quickly at the rear of the grip.
What I really want is something that feels like my Sig P210 Target grips but the closest thing is probably Nill grips, which don't look like they have quite the same contour as the Sig.
Thus, I'm considering Armanov again.
Anyone out there with experience with both the Armanov grips and the LOK palm swells that can speak to the difference in the palm swell?
I know Armanov used to have a guide on their site about hand size and grip size - I found an old copy of it here. https://web.archive.org/web/20200614160020/https://armanov.com/knowledge-hub/how-to-choose-proper-grip-size/
According to that, I'm a medium (7.5" whereas the cut-off between medium and large is 7.7") but I'm wondering if I should try large.
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I went with the LOK palm swell with extra thickness and shadow 2 cut for my SP-01 tactical. Additionally I requested Jason to make as aggressive as possible. He stated that with the extra thickness he could make the holes deeper creating a more aggressive grip. I'm extremely pleased to the point I ordered an additional duplicate set for my SP-01 Shadow Orange.
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I have Lok Palm Swell Bogies and the Armanov in both Med and Large. What do you want to see? Its hard to translate feel for you since everyone is different.
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You gave measurements at the screw and mag release for the medium Armanov and LOK palm swell - do you have those measurements for the large Armanov?
With the LOK palm swell grips, I just feel like my hand isn't making contact everywhere I would like them to so I'm looking for something more hand filling.
Do you prefer the medium or large between the Armanov and why? Related, how far is it from the crease immediately below your palm to the tip of your middle finger (so I know if I have bigger or smaller hands than you)?
Any help is appreciated.
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The Large is:
1.31
1.59
The Large feels just a little too big for me and the med felt a little smaller than the Lok.
I am not sure what you mean about where to measure.
On the Armanov chart, my hand is a medium.
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Thanks, that's helpful!
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Since my LOK palm swell grips aren’t as hand filling as I wanted, I decided to order a set of these Armanov grips. Based on information in this thread, I ordered the Large size even though Armanov’s guide shows me as a medium (Note that only the Gen2 grips can be ordered in different sizes).
I can report that these grips feel great and fill my hand more than my LOK grips. The basic CZ grip shape is very rectangular and I find the Large Armanov grips provide some much needed rounding off of the grip shape. I think the Large grips do a better job of rounding off the portion of the grip between the back and the sides.
A concern I had about the Armanov grips before ordering was whether they would be rougher than I wanted – my CZ is a range gun so I wanted comfortable grips. Fortunately, I find these to be grippy but not too rough.
The two down sides to these grips are (1) the logo, and (2) there is a bit of a gap between the grips and the frame along the back; however, unless there is a light source coming through the mag well, you can’t even tell it’s there.
Pictures and information below.
Measurement at widest point
CZ Stock Grip 1.15"
LOK Palm Swell 1.47"
Armanov Large 1.60"
Weight
CZ Stock Grip 2.1oz
LOK Palm Swell 1.8oz
Armanov Large 3.5oz
View from Front of Grip panel - Stock (top), LOK (middle), Armanov (bottom)
(https://i.imgur.com/I0JiV3w.jpg)
View from Back of Grip panel - Stock (top), LOK (middle), Armanov (bottom)
(https://i.imgur.com/wZP4Kfy.jpg)
View from Bottom of Grip panel - Stock (left), LOK (middle), Armanov (right)
(https://i.imgur.com/WR0vCRm.jpg)
Another view of Grip panels - Stock (foreground), LOK (middle), Armaov (rear)
(https://i.imgur.com/NbB73BS.jpg)
Grips on Shadow2 SA - Left to Right - Both Stock Grips - Left Stock, Right LOK - Both LOK Grips - Left LOK, Right Armanov - Both Armanov
(https://i.imgur.com/XRcEbR0.jpg)
Armanov says to measure from the crease closest to your palm to the tip of your middle finger to determine hand size. They have the following guidance for sizes.
If your hand is up to 180 mm (7.1") long, you need Regular size grips.
If your hand is between 180-195 mm (7.1" – 7.7") long, you need Medium size grips.
If your hand is more than 195 mm (7.7") long, you need Large size grips.
I'm 7.5", which is Medium but I like the Large.
Left is where to measure, Right is my 7.5" hand on the Large grip.
(https://i.imgur.com/Pte5lHF.jpg)
Large grips on gun from back
(https://i.imgur.com/dfqCPrg.jpg)
Large grips on gun from side. Note that the white goo in the dovetail is White Lithium Grease I used to lubricate the red dot mount during installation that I haven't been able to remove yet.
(https://i.imgur.com/33OFzRi.jpg)
Pictures of the gap, which I was only able to take by ensuring there was a light source in the mag well. You don't notice them otherwise so I don't have a functional or aesthetic complaint.
(https://i.imgur.com/PhuhU6V.jpg)
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Thank you for all of the pics an analysis ScoobyDoo. I am sure that this will be useful to other forum members.
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Finally got to take the Armanov grips to the range. It was a hot day and they did a good job of staying in my hands when my hands got sweaty. That said, I found the texture to be more aggressive during use than I thought they were when I first installed them at home. Since this is a range gun for me, I decided the Armanov's are more aggressive than I want.
When I got home, I put the LOK grips back on. I have the Checkered texture (which is quite comfortable for the range) rather than the Bogies. The LOK grips aren't quite as hand filling as I prefer, but they are very, very close and therefore are the best alternative for me so far.
Next up, I bit the bullet and ordered a set of Nills. We'll see how those work out. Worst case, I'll end up going back to the LOK grips, which isn't bad.
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Finally got around to trying a set of these. I put them on a Shadow 1, not a 2 and man do they feel great. Dry fire only for now due to ammo situation (can't replace expenditures cheaply) but I am going to get a set for a Shadow 2 as well.
They are very well made and screw down nice and tight with contours in all the right places.
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Looking at these and liking it. Few quick questions:
Will the S2 grips cut short for magwell work on the TSO?
How closely do the orange grips match the CZ orange shade?
Shot in the dark, it may be easier for me to order a set and see.
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The quality and feel of these grips are second to none, you won't be disappointed.
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Are yours the Gen 2 ? If so, are they less agressive than the originals posted here?
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mine are gen2, i consider them a bit too agressive than I like.
(https://abload.de/thumb/viber_image_2021-02-172jxm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=viber_image_2021-02-172jxm.jpg)
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Nice
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You can order on Amazon, which makes it incredibly easy to return if you don't like them (or the color).
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Short Armanov fits CZ TSO Perfectly, with no mods. Orange color is almost identical to factory grips.
I'd highly recommend the large palm swell because the sm & md are close to stock.
Perfect addition to the TSO!
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You can order on Amazon, which makes it incredibly easy to return if you don't like them (or the color).
I'm glad they're available on Amazon now. When I first got my Armanov grips, I was ordering straight from Europe and returns were not feasible.
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Looking at the main site, do the 'small' ones have at least a small amount of palm swell? Because that's all I'd really want, something maybe a tiny bitty thicker than stock with a little palm swell, but not what you get on most LOK or other palm-swell models. Even flat just a bit thicker than stock aluminums is fine, but is the small Armanov the exact same as the stock thin? Thx.