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Title: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: 3xternal on December 02, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VENOM-Suppressor-for-CZ-Scorpion-EVO-3-by-Manticore-Arms-and-Rat-Worx-1.jpg)

Manticore Arms has announced a new suppressor system called Venom which they’ve designed specifically for CZ Scorpion EVO 3 pistols. The system consists of a suppressor core integrated into the replacement handguard. It will be manufactured and sold by Rat Worx (Research And Testing Worx, Inc.). The overall design concept is similar to the 9mm Tavor handguard/suppressor shown several years ago which was also the result of the collaboration of Manticore Arms and Rat Worx.

(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VENOM-Suppressor-for-CZ-Scorpion-EVO-3-by-Manticore-Arms-and-Rat-Worx-4.jpg)

The Venom suppressor/handguard is a drop-in part designed to be used with CZ Scorpion EVO 3 pistols and SBRs with factory 7 3/4? barrels. It is also compatible with CZ USA Scorpion EVO Bullpup Kit. In order to install the Venom, you’ll first need to remove the factory handguard and muzzle device, then install the mounting block, included new muzzle device and handguard, and lastly slide in the suppressor core and fix it in place with the eight screws.

(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VENOM-Suppressor-for-CZ-Scorpion-EVO-3-by-Manticore-Arms-and-Rat-Worx-7.jpg)

The Venom suppressor is machined out of 6061 aluminum and has a mil-spec Type III  hard coat anodized finish. The muzzle device that comes with the kit is made of stainless steel. The forend length is 12? and the assembled system weighs in at 32 oz. According to the company, the Venom “adds 20.0 ounces of weight and only 4.0” of length over the OEM pistol forend and muzzle device and only 10.0 ounces of weight and no additional length over the OEM carbine forend with flash can extension“.

Read more:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/02/new-venom-suppressor-for-cz-scorpion-evo-3-by-manticore-arms-and-rat-worx/
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 03, 2019, 12:54:52 AM
(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VENOM-Suppressor-for-CZ-Scorpion-EVO-3-by-Manticore-Arms-and-Rat-Worx-1.jpg)

Manticore Arms has announced a new suppressor system called Venom which they’ve designed specifically for CZ Scorpion EVO 3 pistols. The system consists of a suppressor core integrated into the replacement handguard. It will be manufactured and sold by Rat Worx (Research And Testing Worx, Inc.). The overall design concept is similar to the 9mm Tavor handguard/suppressor shown several years ago which was also the result of the collaboration of Manticore Arms and Rat Worx.

(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VENOM-Suppressor-for-CZ-Scorpion-EVO-3-by-Manticore-Arms-and-Rat-Worx-4.jpg)

The Venom suppressor/handguard is a drop-in part designed to be used with CZ Scorpion EVO 3 pistols and SBRs with factory 7 3/4? barrels. It is also compatible with CZ USA Scorpion EVO Bullpup Kit. In order to install the Venom, you’ll first need to remove the factory handguard and muzzle device, then install the mounting block, included new muzzle device and handguard, and lastly slide in the suppressor core and fix it in place with the eight screws.

(https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/VENOM-Suppressor-for-CZ-Scorpion-EVO-3-by-Manticore-Arms-and-Rat-Worx-7.jpg)

The Venom suppressor is machined out of 6061 aluminum and has a mil-spec Type III  hard coat anodized finish. The muzzle device that comes with the kit is made of stainless steel. The forend length is 12? and the assembled system weighs in at 32 oz. According to the company, the Venom “adds 20.0 ounces of weight and only 4.0” of length over the OEM pistol forend and muzzle device and only 10.0 ounces of weight and no additional length over the OEM carbine forend with flash can extension“.

Read more:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/02/new-venom-suppressor-for-cz-scorpion-evo-3-by-manticore-arms-and-rat-worx/
Hell for 500 bucks I'm interested

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Border Dave on December 03, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
I think there should be a gen2 that covers the entire handguard to allow folks to port some of the gas over the barrel and make a ratworx scorpion SD design.   Not enough to slow down supersonic bullets down into subsonic levels, but to do nothing more than bleed off some of the gas while it's in the barrel where it's the highest pressure in order to make the baffles and suppressor more efficient.

Do you think there would be any benefit to porting the barrel before installing this suppressor?
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Border Dave on December 03, 2019, 04:07:42 PM
I just spoke with Chris at Rarworx.  He said that the Venom could be damaged if used with a ported barrel.  He said that their muzzle device is designed to direct the escaping gasses into the suppressor.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Border Dave on December 03, 2019, 04:12:50 PM
Oh, he also said their system is designed to work with the factory 18mm threads, so if you’re like me and had your 1st gen Scorpion machined to accept 1/2-28 make sure you still have at least 1/4 inch of 18mm threading left.  That shouldn’t be a problem for most people who are still using the factory 18mm barrel nut since that nut requires about 1/4 inch of threads.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 03, 2019, 04:22:33 PM
From all I can tell from the pics above, it does not look like a reflex design.  If it is, certainly not any farther back than the muzzle attachment and the rear of the monocore baffle.

I was talking about making a true integral suppressor with the barrel ported and captured above the barrel behind the monocore baffle.  Which would be a simple redesign and barely any work at all.
If your gonna do all that might as well go with the innovative arms integeral. For 500 more

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: 3xternal on December 04, 2019, 07:02:43 AM
I'm guessing they left the integral scene to innovative arms.
That said, my IA-SC9 was only $750, which included the barrel work, however, I already had the HB handguard.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 12:53:20 PM
Hey guys, there are a lot of good observations in this thread, especially by John A.  and I thought I would go over the design of the Venom Suppressor to explain in a little more detail.

For those that don't know, I am Sven at Manticore Arms, and I designed the Venom Suppressor.

The goal of the project and the design was to make a suppressor with the shortest added length and largest overall volume without requiring "permanent" modifications to the gun ( i.e. drilled barrel or anything that caused it to not be able to be fired without the suppressor core installed), and that was easily installed, serviceable, and removable by the end user, and that was at a price point we felt was reasonable in comparison to the base cost of the scorpion. 


The suppressor core does sleeve over the barrel (or rather the muzzle device) a bit.  This accomplishes two things in one use- first it acts as the alignment system between the bore and the suppressor core to keep everyting co-centric, and second it acts as additional valume.  The reason it does not sleeve  father back is the weight per volume gained started to go up substantially, and the core itself is designed to a length the will work on a shorter forend for the Micro EVO that will be a follow up release.  :)

The muzzle device itself is what takes the brunt of the particulate and initial blast from uncorking- it is essentially the blast baffle you see on other suppressors.

The only purpose of a ported barrel is to keep your bullet velocity down to (theoretically) subsonic levels, but with the vast availability of heavier and subsonic rounds today, I personally do not think that there is a lot of added advantage to the extra cost, complexity, and one way direction of  drilling the barrel to make all rounds subsonic.  With a standard barrel you can run subsonic if you want it quiet, and run the hottest rounds you want for more hitting power downrange.  Either way the suppressor will still reduce the sound even if you have a supersonic crack.  If you want to get a ported barrel setup there are options out there, my personal take is non-ported is the way to go.

As to how we can slide a core into the forend and not have gas leakage at the interface of the two surfaces- the fitment is carefully toleranced, but more to the point the gas goes where it is easiest to flow- out the bore hole.  This concept was tested and proven out in the earlier ZRX suppressor for the Tavor SAR 9mm which Ratworx put out about 5 years ago, and the simple truth is even if there was a tiny amount of gas leakage at the interface....it doesn't affect anything.  The gas is still contained and released slowly as it cools.




Sven
Manticore Arms



Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Asylum9 on December 04, 2019, 02:14:42 PM
In the article they mentioned an msrp of $500. Is that going to include the handguard and everything needed to get it up and  running?

What's the total length end up being? I know it says it add 4" from the handguard but the flash can model or the slant nose? The photo almost looks rifle length.

Is there any way to get this to work for those of us that replaced, threaded (just about anyone with a Gen 1)or have the shorter micro barrel?
Great job btw! Even more impressive if it stays at $500 or under. Finally an endcap that won't spin off!
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 02:35:41 PM
In the article they mentioned an msrp of $500. Is that going to include the handguard and everything needed to get it up and  running?

What's the total length end up being? I know it says it add 4" from the handguard but the flash can model or the slant nose? The photo almost looks rifle length.

Is there any way to get this to work for those of us that replaced, threaded (just about anyone with a Gen 1)or have the shorter micro barrel?
Great job btw! Even more impressive if it stays at $500 or under. Finally an endcap that won't spin off!

MSRP is $449, and that includes the suppressor core, forend with mounting block, and muzzle device.  Yes, you are getting a full forend AND suppressor for $449.  :)

The Venom  forend is 12" OAL - it is 4" longer than the OEM polymer pistol forend, and the exact same length as the OEM polymer carbine forend.    It is actually a hair shorter than the EVO's set up with the carbine forend and KAK flash can as the flash can pokes out about 1/2" farther than the polymer carbine forend.  :)

It will work with both the 18mm threaded earlier Scorpion EVO pistol barrels and the later dula 1/2 x 28 and 18mm threaded barrels.   As for those who had some kind of custom work done on their pistol barrel, I can't really answer to that as different people may have used different solutions including different final barrel length.  If you just put 1/2 x 28 threading on in place of the original 188, we *might* have as solution based on the next line below.

A version for the Micro EVO is coming, so if you already did some mods to your barrel or you don't want the extra length, you will be able to cut down to Micro EVO barrel length and threading specs and that version will work.  In a nutshell it is the same suppressor core, same muzzle device, and just has a shorter forend designed for the EVO Micro length barrel.  More details will follow when we are ready to launch it at Rat Worx. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 04, 2019, 02:38:41 PM
In the article they mentioned an msrp of $500. Is that going to include the handguard and everything needed to get it up and  running?

What's the total length end up being? I know it says it add 4" from the handguard but the flash can model or the slant nose? The photo almost looks rifle length.

Is there any way to get this to work for those of us that replaced, threaded (just about anyone with a Gen 1)or have the shorter micro barrel?
Great job btw! Even more impressive if it stays at $500 or under. Finally an endcap that won't spin off!

MSRP is $449, and that includes the suppressor core, forend with mounting block, and muzzle device.  Yes, you are getting a full forend AND suppressor for $449.  :)

The Venom  forend is 12" OAL - it is 4" longer than the OEM polymer pistol forend, and the exact same length as the OEM polymer carbine forend.    It is actually a hair shorter than the EVO's set up with the carbine forend and KAK flash can as the flash can pokes out about 1/2" farther than the polymer carbine forend.  :)

It will work with both the 18mm threaded earlier Scorpion EVO pistol barrels and the later dula 1/2 x 28 and 18mm threaded barrels.   As for those who had some kind of custom work done on their pistol barrel, I can't really answer to that as different people may have used different solutions including different final barrel length.  If you just put 1/2 x 28 threading on in place of the original 188, we *might* have as solution based on the next line below.

A version for the Micro EVO is coming, so if you already did some mods to your barrel or you don't want the extra length, you will be able to cut down to Micro EVO barrel length and threading specs and that version will work.  In a nutshell it is the same suppressor core, same muzzle device, and just has a shorter forend designed for the EVO Micro length barrel.  More details will follow when we are ready to launch it at Rat Worx. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
The price point is amazing now I'm glad I never got the Innovative arms kits. Now will the micro kit be the same as the regular kit.

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 02:40:04 PM
I agree that it is stupid to try to port the barrel to bleed off enough gas to drop a supersonic (115 or 124 gr) pill down to subsonic levels.

For one, supersonic bullets have more powder and build more pressure which already handicaps a suppressor and makes it less efficient from the get-go.

Secondly, starting with a subsonic bullet and powder load, you don't generally have to worry about the occasional supersonic crack you'll get from longer barrels.  While keeping with the short pistol length barrel (or shorter) you'll never have to worry about 147, 158, or 165 gr bullets going super on you from it.

I do however disagree that porting the barrel does nothing.  On the contrary, any bit of gas that you can port behind the suppressor over the barrel, is going to make the suppressor more efficient because it is going to have less gas to deal with every time you pull the trigger.  You don't necessarily have to port the gas to only drop the velocity to useless levels.  You can certainly port some of the gas for this without killing your velocity.  Even with a meager 30-45 fps drop will sound a lot better.  There are some brands of ammo where I get that much velocity shift from nothing more than shooting different brands of ammo.

As for the extra weight, even a thinwall aluminum tube would contain the gas ported over the barrel without gaining much weight at all.

If you'd like to talk more in PM or on the phone, I'd have no problem helping you out if you'd like or are interested.  I have an extensive background in making integral cans.  I'm waiting on a stamp now to make a 9x39 integral as we speak.

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John A.,

In my attempt to keep my post from getting overly wordy and technical I kind of glossed over the barrel porting, but yeah, the short point I was making is that it adds complexity and cost (and weight) that didn't add to the value or function of the Venom based on our design goals.

Right now we are not getting into ported barrels, but shoot me an email to info@manticorearms.com and I would be happy to discuss your experiences with barrel porting and integral suppressor design, nice to be able to discuss that topic in depth!  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 02:42:34 PM
In the article they mentioned an msrp of $500. Is that going to include the handguard and everything needed to get it up and  running?

What's the total length end up being? I know it says it add 4" from the handguard but the flash can model or the slant nose? The photo almost looks rifle length.

Is there any way to get this to work for those of us that replaced, threaded (just about anyone with a Gen 1)or have the shorter micro barrel?
Great job btw! Even more impressive if it stays at $500 or under. Finally an endcap that won't spin off!

MSRP is $449, and that includes the suppressor core, forend with mounting block, and muzzle device.  Yes, you are getting a full forend AND suppressor for $449.  :)

The Venom  forend is 12" OAL - it is 4" longer than the OEM polymer pistol forend, and the exact same length as the OEM polymer carbine forend.    It is actually a hair shorter than the EVO's set up with the carbine forend and KAK flash can as the flash can pokes out about 1/2" farther than the polymer carbine forend.  :)

It will work with both the 18mm threaded earlier Scorpion EVO pistol barrels and the later dula 1/2 x 28 and 18mm threaded barrels.   As for those who had some kind of custom work done on their pistol barrel, I can't really answer to that as different people may have used different solutions including different final barrel length.  If you just put 1/2 x 28 threading on in place of the original 188, we *might* have as solution based on the next line below.

A version for the Micro EVO is coming, so if you already did some mods to your barrel or you don't want the extra length, you will be able to cut down to Micro EVO barrel length and threading specs and that version will work.  In a nutshell it is the same suppressor core, same muzzle device, and just has a shorter forend designed for the EVO Micro length barrel.  More details will follow when we are ready to launch it at Rat Worx. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
The price point is amazing now I'm glad I never got the Innovative arms kits. Now will the micro kit be the same as the regular kit.

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I assume this is what you are asking, if not, just let me know and I am happy to answer any questions:

The Venom for Micro will be the same suppressor core and muzzle device.  The only difference is the forend length (and likely a muzzle adapter for mounting the muzzle device and muzzle device jam nut collar- just not enough thread on the Micro to pull that off as it is currently set up).

The price should be similar to the current $449 MSRP, although the price has not been set yet. 

Sven
Manticore Arms

Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 02:45:08 PM
In the article they mentioned an msrp of $500. Is that going to include the handguard and everything needed to get it up and  running?

What's the total length end up being? I know it says it add 4" from the handguard but the flash can model or the slant nose? The photo almost looks rifle length.

Is there any way to get this to work for those of us that replaced, threaded (just about anyone with a Gen 1)or have the shorter micro barrel?
Great job btw! Even more impressive if it stays at $500 or under. Finally an endcap that won't spin off!

MSRP is $449, and that includes the suppressor core, forend with mounting block, and muzzle device.  Yes, you are getting a full forend AND suppressor for $449.  :)

The Venom  forend is 12" OAL - it is 4" longer than the OEM polymer pistol forend, and the exact same length as the OEM polymer carbine forend.    It is actually a hair shorter than the EVO's set up with the carbine forend and KAK flash can as the flash can pokes out about 1/2" farther than the polymer carbine forend.  :)

It will work with both the 18mm threaded earlier Scorpion EVO pistol barrels and the later dula 1/2 x 28 and 18mm threaded barrels.   As for those who had some kind of custom work done on their pistol barrel, I can't really answer to that as different people may have used different solutions including different final barrel length.  If you just put 1/2 x 28 threading on in place of the original 188, we *might* have as solution based on the next line below.

A version for the Micro EVO is coming, so if you already did some mods to your barrel or you don't want the extra length, you will be able to cut down to Micro EVO barrel length and threading specs and that version will work.  In a nutshell it is the same suppressor core, same muzzle device, and just has a shorter forend designed for the EVO Micro length barrel.  More details will follow when we are ready to launch it at Rat Worx. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
The price point is amazing now I'm glad I never got the Innovative arms kits. Now will the micro kit be the same as the regular kit.

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FYI, I just want to make sure everyone knows I am not slamming on the Innovative Arms kit - I have met them and they are super nice and cool dudes and the setup they have come up with is very slick. 

We just took a different approach to silencing a Scorpion EVO- plenty of room in the world for both solutions!  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 04, 2019, 02:56:11 PM


In the article they mentioned an msrp of $500. Is that going to include the handguard and everything needed to get it up and  running?

What's the total length end up being? I know it says it add 4" from the handguard but the flash can model or the slant nose? The photo almost looks rifle length.

Is there any way to get this to work for those of us that replaced, threaded (just about anyone with a Gen 1)or have the shorter micro barrel?
Great job btw! Even more impressive if it stays at $500 or under. Finally an endcap that won't spin off!

MSRP is $449, and that includes the suppressor core, forend with mounting block, and muzzle device.  Yes, you are getting a full forend AND suppressor for $449.  :)

The Venom  forend is 12" OAL - it is 4" longer than the OEM polymer pistol forend, and the exact same length as the OEM polymer carbine forend.    It is actually a hair shorter than the EVO's set up with the carbine forend and KAK flash can as the flash can pokes out about 1/2" farther than the polymer carbine forend.  :)

It will work with both the 18mm threaded earlier Scorpion EVO pistol barrels and the later dula 1/2 x 28 and 18mm threaded barrels.   As for those who had some kind of custom work done on their pistol barrel, I can't really answer to that as different people may have used different solutions including different final barrel length.  If you just put 1/2 x 28 threading on in place of the original 188, we *might* have as solution based on the next line below.

A version for the Micro EVO is coming, so if you already did some mods to your barrel or you don't want the extra length, you will be able to cut down to Micro EVO barrel length and threading specs and that version will work.  In a nutshell it is the same suppressor core, same muzzle device, and just has a shorter forend designed for the EVO Micro length barrel.  More details will follow when we are ready to launch it at Rat Worx. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
The price point is amazing now I'm glad I never got the Innovative arms kits. Now will the micro kit be the same as the regular kit.

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FYI, I just want to make sure everyone knows I am not slamming on the Innovative Arms kit - I have met them and they are super nice and cool dudes and the setup they have come up with is very slick. 

We just took a different approach to silencing a Scorpion EVO- plenty of room in the world for both solutions!  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms

Neither was I. I have talked to phillip multiple times. He is as humble as can be. But what turned me off was that I couldn't shoot my gun while waiting for the approval. If I installed the barrel first. They make an awesome product. But I like how you guys took a different approach. If you want a ported barrel basically go to innovative arms if u want a non ported use rat worx. Either way all the companies including yours offer innovative products (no pun intended)

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 05:35:20 PM
I should also mention that the Venom Suppressor has a full row of M-LOK on the underside due to the unique forend and suppressor core design- and you can mount up accessories UNDER the suppressor core and still remove the core for servicing.  :)

And yes, there is another reason we made the first Venom Suppressors for the 7.75" Scorpion EVO pistols...the 12" OAL length of the Venom Suppressor forend + the M-LOK slots on the underside means it will drop right in on the Bullpup Evo Kits once those launch, meaning you can have a suppressed pistol caliber bullpup carbine that measures only 22.5"OAL    :o :o :o 8) 8) 8)

Yes, I planned this from the outset when I was developing the bullpup kit and the suppressor.  Merry Christmas  and enjoy ;D

Sven
Manticore Arms.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 04, 2019, 06:05:02 PM
I should also mention that the Venom Suppressor has a full row of M-LOK on the underside due to the unique forend and suppressor core design- and you can mount up accessories UNDER the suppressor core and still remove the core for servicing.  :)

And yes, there is another reason we made the first Venom Suppressors for the 7.75" Scorpion EVO pistols...the 12" OAL length of the Venom Suppressor forend + the M-LOK slots on the underside means it will drop right in on the Bullpup Evo Kits once those launch, meaning you can have a suppressed pistol caliber bullpup carbine that measures only 22.5"OAL    :o :o :o 8) 8) 8)

Yes, I planned this from the outset when I was developing the bullpup kit and the suppressor.  Merry Christmas  and enjoy ;D

Sven
Manticore Arms.
Same to you now cz needs to hurry up and release those darn kits already

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 04, 2019, 10:42:23 PM
I should also mention that the Venom Suppressor has a full row of M-LOK on the underside due to the unique forend and suppressor core design- and you can mount up accessories UNDER the suppressor core and still remove the core for servicing.  :)

And yes, there is another reason we made the first Venom Suppressors for the 7.75" Scorpion EVO pistols...the 12" OAL length of the Venom Suppressor forend + the M-LOK slots on the underside means it will drop right in on the Bullpup Evo Kits once those launch, meaning you can have a suppressed pistol caliber bullpup carbine that measures only 22.5"OAL    :o :o :o 8) 8) 8)

Yes, I planned this from the outset when I was developing the bullpup kit and the suppressor.  Merry Christmas  and enjoy ;D

Sven
Manticore Arms.
Same to you now cz needs to hurry up and release those darn kits already

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bleep right they do!  ;)

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Asylum9 on December 05, 2019, 06:32:09 AM
Any chance of them doing pre orders for the micro kit?  It would be nice to have an approved stamp  by the time it's ready. Never bought anything on a form 4 so do even know if it's possible.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 09, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Any chance of them doing pre orders for the micro kit?  It would be nice to have an approved stamp  by the time it's ready. Never bought anything on a form 4 so do even know if it's possible.
I second this if at all possible

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Rhino Man on December 09, 2019, 07:56:37 PM
Looks sweet!
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Captain Paul on December 10, 2019, 12:27:40 AM
Do you expect any change in accuracy? My pistol barrel shoots about an inch at 20 yards but when I add my can it opens to 3-5”.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Asylum9 on December 10, 2019, 01:42:32 AM
What suppressor are you using? That doesn't sound right at all.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 16, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
Any chance of them doing pre orders for the micro kit?  It would be nice to have an approved stamp  by the time it's ready. Never bought anything on a form 4 so do even know if it's possible.

I would not expect them to do pre-orders on Micro kits, Ratworx (and Manticore) don't like to take people's money before we have product to ship.

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 16, 2019, 01:36:00 PM
Do you expect any change in accuracy? My pistol barrel shoots about an inch at 20 yards but when I add my can it opens to 3-5”.

That sounds like an issue with your current suppressor, that is not something you typically see when a suppressor is mounted. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Mr.E.G. on December 16, 2019, 02:08:54 PM
Do I understand this ported barrel concept correctly? Some folks will drill holes in their barrel a few inches upstream from the suppressor so as to bleed off some gas pressure before the gas gets to the can? And I'm guessing you put some sort of shroud on that?
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 19, 2019, 12:43:50 PM
Talked with Ratworx last night and they are gearing up to get the micro version into production.  Price should be about the same at around $449 MSRP.

No pics yet of a micro gun set up with the micro suppressor, but I will post pics as soon as they are available.  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: peanuts2018 on December 19, 2019, 12:47:57 PM
Talked with Ratworx last night and they are gearing up to get the micro version into production.  Price should be about the same at around $449 MSRP.

No pics yet of a micro gun set up with the micro suppressor, but I will post pics as soon as they are available.  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms
Awesome sauce

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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Cohenj87 on December 19, 2019, 08:20:51 PM
Talked with Ratworx last night and they are gearing up to get the micro version into production.  Price should be about the same at around $449 MSRP.

No pics yet of a micro gun set up with the micro suppressor, but I will post pics as soon as they are available.  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms

Is the micro going to be shorter can?  If so, how much louder is it compared to the pistol length?
No, in one of his previous comments he said it's the same core.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on December 20, 2019, 12:53:46 AM
Talked with Ratworx last night and they are gearing up to get the micro version into production.  Price should be about the same at around $449 MSRP.

No pics yet of a micro gun set up with the micro suppressor, but I will post pics as soon as they are available.  :)

Sven
Manticore Arms

Is the micro going to be shorter can?  If so, how much louder is it compared to the pistol length?

The core is the same length but with the shorter barrel you end up with a suppressed micro being about 3.75” shorter than a suppressed evo pistol.  Sound suppression will be about the same.

Sven
Manticore Arms

Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: cavegeo on January 19, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
BTT
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Xfrog on January 22, 2020, 09:00:53 AM
Sweet looking rig.  I built a form 1 integral AR9 using a 1.5inch solid rail.  It worked great but got hot enough to melt the plastic hand grips.  I can run a mag and let it cool but 2 30s at plate rack speed is too much heat.  That would be my only concern.  A insulated grip type cover would prob fix it.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: TITAN308 on February 08, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
@manticore_arms check your pms regarding a part in this kit 🤙🏻
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Doug_262 on February 09, 2020, 03:20:44 AM
Any pics of the micro yet?
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on February 09, 2020, 12:56:20 PM
Any pics of the micro yet?

Not yet, they are currently being machined. 

Sven
Manticore Arms
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: beanz2 on February 09, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Came close to ordering one until checkout where they don't have my FFL listed.  No option to add one, no option to e-mail them other than calling  ???

Oh well.


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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on February 10, 2020, 09:25:07 PM
Came close to ordering one until checkout where they don't have my FFL listed.  No option to add one, no option to e-mail them other than calling  ???

Oh well.


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Try picking up the phone and calling them.  Or using their email contact form they provide on their homepage.

I know adulting is hard but c’mon  ::)

Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Asylum9 on February 11, 2020, 02:44:29 PM
So a photo, fingerprints, $700 w/stamp plus transfer then a year long wait but that phone call is where you draw the line lol?  I don't even think you're the one who has to call, it ur dealer that has to send the paperwork in.

Any eta when ordering for the micro will start? Just curious. Tax returns are due back and that $ is easier to make disappear
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Mr.E.G. on February 13, 2020, 09:36:45 AM
You are correct, however, you can't do that on an existing suppressor.  You can only do that on a form 1 suppressor that you make yourself and include the shroud in the overall length, or purchase an integral or reflex suppressor from a company on a form 3/4.

Thanks for the info. Sorry it took me so long to respond.  :)
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: andrew8404 on March 28, 2020, 01:01:46 PM
Anyone get one of these yet? Im very interested.


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Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: lorazepam on March 28, 2020, 02:18:02 PM
Figure on seeing them in the wild late fall or winter. Form 4's are taking forever, and with the china virus shutting down everything, probably longer.
That is the main reason I probably won't get one, and suffer through with a form 1 can.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: PirateArms on April 10, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
We just got one in today. I have been debating this can for a while. I've had a few people ask us about them, and I just happen to have a Scorpion. Soooo.. Ordered, installed shot it. Fantastic. Install was a breeze. I had already taken everything apart in the past to change hand guards.

We shot 50 or so rounds through it and it's great. No major heat around the hand area, No cycle issues and it's rather quiet. Adds some length, however in my eyes it's worth it. Now to send it off for cerakote....


(https://imgur.com/XMwc9rm)
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: TerekV on April 23, 2020, 04:48:43 PM
Would this make it a 2 form or single form gun?
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: cavegeo on May 24, 2020, 08:31:01 AM
Rat Worx has there Suppressor out for the Micro now

https://store.ratworxusa.com/products/handguns-rat-worx-inc-mvenm-rw-sup-mvenm-rw-sup-mvenm-2545 (https://store.ratworxusa.com/products/handguns-rat-worx-inc-mvenm-rw-sup-mvenm-rw-sup-mvenm-2545)

(https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/fkOZxlnQj6u87obVVEVo/convert?cache=true&fit=clip&h=768&rotate=exif&w=1024#file.jpg)
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: bradbergtitus on May 26, 2020, 11:58:26 PM
We just got one in today. I have been debating this can for a while. I've had a few people ask us about them, and I just happen to have a Scorpion. Soooo.. Ordered, installed shot it. Fantastic. Install was a breeze. I had already taken everything apart in the past to change hand guards.

We shot 50 or so rounds through it and it's great. No major heat around the hand area, No cycle issues and it's rather quiet. Adds some length, however in my eyes it's worth it. Now to send it off for cerakote....


(https://imgur.com/XMwc9rm)


I’ve been looking everywhere on the internet trying to find some dB  reduction numbers on this setup and can’t find them anywhere. I emailed ratworx and the response I got was less than encouraging...basically something to the effect of we don’t have numbers on the can but our boss takes it out and shoots with no hearing protection with no problems. Might I ask just how quiet rather quiet is if you had to compare it. It sounds rather loud in the only video I can find but I know the way it sounds on video sometimes can be not a very good representation of how it actually sounds. Very interested in this but not without more encouraging news on the sound reduction. Thanks!
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Asylum9 on May 29, 2020, 03:40:21 PM
Will this work with HBI's non 3lug micro barrel? IIRC the cz micro barrel and HBI's where different lengths.
Okay yeah the factory is 4.12 and HBI is 5.3 but would it work? Or would I have to shorten the barrel?
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: Manticore_Arms on June 02, 2020, 05:07:54 PM
Will this work with HBI's non 3lug micro barrel? IIRC the cz micro barrel and HBI's where different lengths.
Okay yeah the factory is 4.12 and HBI is 5.3 but would it work? Or would I have to shorten the barrel?

The Ratworx suppressor only works with the OEM barrel.
Title: Re: New Venom Suppressor by RAT Worx and Manticore for Scorpion Evo
Post by: andrew8404 on June 08, 2020, 05:11:02 PM
Looks like a cool system


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