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Title: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Stafford on February 03, 2020, 08:09:44 AM
For those that have both, is the Rami a better option for concealed carry than a P-01 or PCR? Or is the difference negligible?
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: viking499 on February 03, 2020, 08:43:07 AM
I prefer the PCR.  The size and weight of the Rami and PCR are similar, but the grip is different on each.  The PCR fits me better.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Hammer Time on February 03, 2020, 08:48:00 AM
You might find this vid helpful. Bit of a deep dive into comparing dimensions and specs, but it's worth it if you're debating:

Carry Compare - Rami vs P01 vs PCR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSAp1j1DNQU
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Earl Keese on February 03, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
I used to carry a P-01, and now carry a Rami. The shorter slide of the Rami is better for me because I spend a lot of time driving. Additionally,  it's very comfortable for me to shoot accurately(at distance and in close). I have 2xl sized hands and the Rami fits better than a single stack 9.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Triax60 on February 03, 2020, 09:57:11 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/vBXjjYb.jpg)
 (https://i.imgur.com/vBXjjYb.jpg)
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Porcupine on February 03, 2020, 10:22:32 PM
P01 works better for me.*

* I actually carry a P07 most days, but it's close in size to the P01.

I don't carry my Rami as I find the mag release a little harder to get to, and the mags catch on the heel of strong hand forcing me to pull them with my left.

I'm average height, thicker (not fatter;)) than average build.

I have no trouble AIWB carrying a weapon the size of a P01 under a heavy T-shirt. I'm in and out of vehicles all day long, and with a good belt and holster, I can ride, walk, run, and do pretty much any task comfortably.

They're both great choices dependant on your physical makeup. What I finally figured out is:

I can daily carry a bigger gun than I thought I could.

All things being equal, given the option, I'd prefer to carry a larger gun when I can.

Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on February 04, 2020, 04:49:45 AM
I've handled and fired the Rami and it is a fine pistol but I can't own one as I just don't like pistols that I can't get a full hand on. However I have carried my PCR for more than 10 years and if fits my hand perfectly.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Skookum on February 04, 2020, 05:41:37 AM
For a subcompact the RAMI is huge; thus, I see little advantage relative to a compact CZ, although its size makes it shootable for a 9 Luger subcompact.  With a compact CZ you get concealability and shootability with increased capacity, and by using the CZ 75 rubber magazine base pads you can get a comfortable four-finger grip without increasing the height of the gun substantially.


If you want or need deep concealment, one is probably better off with a pocket pistol.  Unfortunately, CZ doesn't offer one of these in the US.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Triax60 on February 04, 2020, 08:35:16 AM
Found a post on reddit about a discussion on the Rami.

https://old.reddit.com/r/CZFirearms/comments/82z08t/it_finally_happened_finally_got_my_cz_rami/ (https://old.reddit.com/r/CZFirearms/comments/82z08t/it_finally_happened_finally_got_my_cz_rami/)

PCR on left and Rami on right, the Rami is chunky.


(https://i.imgur.com/saeBmP4.jpg)
 (https://i.imgur.com/saeBmP4.jpg)

Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Hammer Time on February 04, 2020, 09:02:56 AM
As others have said, I found the Rami overly chunky when I handled one. And, by the time I put an extended mag in it, in order to be able to get a full hand grip on the pistol, it was barely any shorter than a P-01 or PCR.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Earl Keese on February 04, 2020, 11:36:06 AM
The extended mag gives the option of getting a full grip, the short mag gives the option of less printing or more comfort when seated. If you have to have a fulI grip, obviously the Rami is too short with the short mag. Is the Rami "chunky"? Yep, it is. That's why it fits my hand better and is so comfortable to shoot.
FWIW, I talked myself out of the Rami for all the reasons listed above, some mentioned by people who've never carried one. Now that I own one and carry it every day, I've discovered that it works great for me. It isn't for everybody though and I doubt it was intended to be.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Porcupine on February 04, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
The extended mag gives the option of getting a full grip, the short mag gives the option of less printing or more comfort when seated. If you have to have a fulI grip, obviously the Rami is too short with the short mag. Is the Rami "chunky"? Yep, it is. That's why it fits my hand better and is so comfortable to shoot.
FWIW, I talked myself out of the Rami for all the reasons listed above, some mentioned by people who've never carried one. Now that I own one and carry it every day, I've discovered that it works great for me. It isn't for everybody though and I doubt it was intended to be.

How is the mag release/drop for you?
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Earl Keese on February 04, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
The extended mag gives the option of getting a full grip, the short mag gives the option of less printing or more comfort when seated. If you have to have a fulI grip, obviously the Rami is too short with the short mag. Is the Rami "chunky"? Yep, it is. That's why it fits my hand better and is so comfortable to shoot.
FWIW, I talked myself out of the Rami for all the reasons listed above, some mentioned by people who've never carried one. Now that I own one and carry it every day, I've discovered that it works great for me. It isn't for everybody though and I doubt it was intended to be.

How is the mag release/drop for you?
Not a problem for me, but I have fairly large hands. W/o a mag extension, my pinky hangs off the grip on my P-07.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Skookum on February 08, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
the Rami is chunky.


(https://i.imgur.com/saeBmP4.jpg)
 (https://i.imgur.com/saeBmP4.jpg)

Not sure what you mean by "chunky" or where the chunk might be.

According to CZ-USA, the RAMI's dimensions (L x H x W in inches) are 6.5 x 4.7 x 1.25, whereas the P-01's are 7.2 x 5.02 x 1.38.  For comparison, the 75 B's dimensions are listed as 8.1 x 5.4 x 1.4.

Roughly approximating bulk (in cubic inches) as LHW/2, the compact (25) is 19% smaller than the full size 75 (31), while the subcompact (19) is 39% smaller than the full size and 24% smaller than the compact.

For my deep concealment needs I opted for the Beretta 3032 Tomcat over the RAMI.  The Tomcat's dimensions are 4.9 x 3.7 x 1.1, for an approximate bulk of 10 (47% smaller than the RAMI).



Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Tyerone on February 08, 2020, 05:42:48 PM
My RAMI has nudged my PCR out of CC duty.  Mostly an OWB guy with over sweater during business attire, the small amount less over all length keeps the muzzle better hidden.  Weight and thickness differences are not really an issue for me.  Neither are very good for pocket carry compared to beretta NANO or Sig P365 for instance.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Triax60 on February 09, 2020, 04:51:26 PM

Not sure what you mean by "chunky" or where the chunk might be.

According to CZ-USA, the RAMI's dimensions (L x H x W in inches) are 6.5 x 4.7 x 1.25, whereas the P-01's are 7.2 x 5.02 x 1.38.  For comparison, the 75 B's dimensions are listed as 8.1 x 5.4 x 1.4.

Roughly approximating bulk (in cubic inches) as LHW/2, the compact (25) is 19% smaller than the full size 75 (31), while the subcompact (19) is 39% smaller than the full size and 24% smaller than the compact.

For my deep concealment needs I opted for the Beretta 3032 Tomcat over the RAMI.  The Tomcat's dimensions are 4.9 x 3.7 x 1.1, for an approximate bulk of 10 (47% smaller than the RAMI).



(https://i.imgur.com/XYYZfo7.jpg)
 (https://i.imgur.com/XYYZfo7.jpg)

The frame grip of the Rami is thick, you can see it and you can definitely feel it. The Compacts can change out grips from thin to palm swell allowing people with different hand sizes to adjust the grip. You can't do this with a Rami, the grip on a Rami is thick. Measurements posted on a web page are from one point on the pistol which is not the overall pistol width. Yes, a point on the P01 is thicker than a Rami but overall the grip is thinner on a P01 than a Rami and the P01 allows more flexibility.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Vegas CZ on February 09, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
The extended mag gives the option of getting a full grip, the short mag gives the option of less printing or more comfort when seated. If you have to have a fulI grip, obviously the Rami is too short with the short mag. Is the Rami "chunky"? Yep, it is. That's why it fits my hand better and is so comfortable to shoot.
FWIW, I talked myself out of the Rami for all the reasons listed above, some mentioned by people who've never carried one. Now that I own one and carry it every day, I've discovered that it works great for me. It isn't for everybody though and I doubt it was intended to be.

+1

Another vote for the "chunky" Rami. Find single stack don't fit my hand.

No right answer, its what is best for you. If your on the fence. Go with the P-01. If I could only have one gun it would be the P-01. 

Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Conlin2 on February 23, 2020, 08:14:13 AM
I have both the RAMI and the P01 I carry and rotate them around because they are both great pistols.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: benq on February 23, 2020, 11:32:25 AM
I have a RAMI and PCR. Used to carry the RAMI until I bought a Shield.  RAMI is now my car gun.

RAMI is fun to shoot but cumbersome to carry. I thought of carrying the PCR for a split second.  There is not enough  difference between the two with regards to carrying. IMO Which is why I carry a Shield now.


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Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Porcupine on April 29, 2020, 07:00:22 PM

Not sure what you mean by "chunky" or where the chunk might be.

According to CZ-USA, the RAMI's dimensions (L x H x W in inches) are 6.5 x 4.7 x 1.25, whereas the P-01's are 7.2 x 5.02 x 1.38.  For comparison, the 75 B's dimensions are listed as 8.1 x 5.4 x 1.4.

Roughly approximating bulk (in cubic inches) as LHW/2, the compact (25) is 19% smaller than the full size 75 (31), while the subcompact (19) is 39% smaller than the full size and 24% smaller than the compact.

For my deep concealment needs I opted for the Beretta 3032 Tomcat over the RAMI.  The Tomcat's dimensions are 4.9 x 3.7 x 1.1, for an approximate bulk of 10 (47% smaller than the RAMI).



(https://i.imgur.com/XYYZfo7.jpg)
 (https://i.imgur.com/XYYZfo7.jpg)

The frame grip of the Rami is thick, you can see it and you can definitely feel it. The Compacts can change out grips from thin to palm swell allowing people with different hand sizes to adjust the grip. You can't do this with a Rami, the grip on a Rami is thick. Measurements posted on a web page are from one point on the pistol which is not the overall pistol width. Yes, a point on the P01 is thicker than a Rami but overall the grip is thinner on a P01 than a Rami and the P01 allows more flexibility.

 :-\

I've got Cool Hand grips on my RAMI. They're thinner than factory.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Metallicat on April 30, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
I ended up ordering a stablemate for my SP-01 Shadow today thanks to some of the fine suggestions offered here.  I have a new PCR coming in within the next week or so.  I already have a small cc gun, the 365, and if I wanted a single stack it would be a Shield.  I don't currently have a mid-sized compact so I was looking for something new in that category.  Size comparisons on handgunhero.com between the PCR and other compacts such as the M&P 9c, SR9c, P320 XCompact, etc show that the CZ is similar in overall length and height and generally is only about 1.5 - 2 oz. heavier than many of the poly frames.  I originally wanted the Sig XCompact but there are none currently available and I needed something to take away the Covid blues here in locked down Michigan so CZ it is!  Local gun range just opened back up, too.  Only thing I need is more ammo which I think I may have to order online. 
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Porcupine on April 30, 2020, 09:58:14 PM
Congratulations!

I doubt you'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Concealed Carry - Compact vs. Rami
Post by: Metallicat on May 04, 2020, 04:39:12 PM
I picked up my PCR this morning.  I brought it home and cleaned out all of the sticky factory oil / grease and then relubed it.  The slide stop wasn't too difficult to remove on mine.  Not as easy as on my SP-01, but not too bad at all.
   
When I purchased my P365, it made my Kahr seem like a block of wood and so I ended up selling the K9.  The PCR makes my 365 seem the same way, like a chunky block of wood!  I know the two firearms are in different classes and aren't necessarily meant to compete with each other, but I was amazed at how nimble and comfortable the CZ feels. 

I don't mind the sites but will likely change out the front for a fiber optic unit at some point.  The grips seem nice and comfortable so they'll stay for now.  I'll likely throw a Cajun spring kit at it to reduce the trigger pull.  The trigger isn't bad but it is quite heavy as you all know.   

The one thing  that may take some getting used to is the location of the decocker.  It is is the way of my dominant thumb for a high thumb-forward grip but I think I just need to adjust to it.