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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ BREN => Topic started by: Mr_5lade on February 10, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
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Hey all, I did a thing. I think it turned out well. The brace locks when folded, and as long as it’s mounted in the middle of the pic rail or lower it doesn’t get on the way of the charging handle. More pics on my ig @mr_5lade
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Wow, that turned out great! How does the triangle brace feel? Much play in the rubber?
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Wow, that turned out great! How does the triangle brace feel? Much play in the rubber?
I was actually pleasantly surprised on how good it felt. The top bar of the triangle is 100% solid. The back and bottom of the triangle do have flex, but when shouldered the top bar negates any play. I’m very happy with the purchase. Also, it’s super light weight.
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Oh, dang! I like that a lot! I tossed the SB Tactical 1913 folder on my Bren and HATED it. the flex in the 1913 folder makes follow-up shots tough and makes the gun seem to flop all over the place during shooting compared to the SOB brace I had on it with the buffer tube adapter.
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How is the length of pull with that brace? It seems a little small aesthetically anyway.
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Nicely done OP!
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Nicely done OP!
Thanks bravo5two
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Here’s another angle of the brace folded
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Do you tend to pull the rifle into your shoulder quite hard?
I do and I cannot use that brace at all. I find that I squish the top plastic strut and then the darned thing folds.
This is a sample size of one so the folding issue could be relegated to the unit that I played with.
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Could you tell me the distance from the trigger to the heel of the brace?
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Do you tend to pull the rifle into your shoulder quite hard?
I do and I cannot use that brace at all. I find that I squish the top plastic strut and then the darned thing folds.
This is a sample size of one so the folding issue could be relegated to the unit that I played with.
That’s odd. I’ve been shooting with it once and didn’t have that issue. I just tried shouldering it a few times just now, pulling it hard and it didn’t fold. Perhaps it’s a bad sample?
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Quick question on the brace - Can you reverse the side the triangle brace folds on?
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Quick question on the brace - Can you reverse the side the triangle brace folds on?
No, it can’t be flipped
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How is the length of pull with that brace? It seems a little small aesthetically anyway.
Hey there, I took some pics for comparison with the grips lined up. The first is an AR pistol with an SB Tactical brace fully extended and the second is a full sized AR with its stock fully extended.
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Hey this length of pull doesn't look to short, in fact it's probably perfect for my length of pull.
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We've all seen how the ATF is constantly changing their rules lately, especially on pistol braces, but isn't the length of pull for a pistol legally limited to 13.5"? So if the measurement from the face of the trigger to the buttplate is over 13.5", wouldn't that setup be technically illegal? Seems to me that I read somewhere that in the case of a telescoping pistol brace, the brace must be permanently fixed so that it cannot be extended beyond the 13.5" maximum. If that is the case, and if the triangle brace is over 13.5", there is no way to limit the length of pull on that.
Fortunately the ATF doesn't seem to enforce that ruling, but it would just be my luck that I would be the first.
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We've all seen how the ATF is constantly changing their rules lately, especially on pistol braces, but isn't the length of pull for a pistol legally limited to 13.5"? So if the measurement from the face of the trigger to the buttplate is over 13.5", wouldn't that setup be technically illegal? Seems to me that I read somewhere that in the case of a telescoping pistol brace, the brace must be permanently fixed so that it cannot be extended beyond the 13.5" maximum. If that is the case, and if the triangle brace is over 13.5", there is no way to limit the length of pull on that.
Fortunately the ATF doesn't seem to enforce that ruling, but it would just be my luck that I would be the first.
In my not-a-lawyer voice: while ATF likes to make a big deal about repurposing equipment in a way contrary to original design, moving a brace they've approved from one pistol to another hardly seems like a violation of that brace's intended purpose. Even if the result is contrary to their absolutely arbitrary 13.5" guideline (rule? law? assumption?). Honestly, the whole "average length of pull is 13.5, so 13.5 is the max LOP for braces" deal has always seemed a bit unenforceable to me - especially as someone who has long arms. 13.5 just doesn't work. My body's geometry shouldn't cause my comfort or simple ability to operate a firearm properly to be a question of legality.
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We've all seen how the ATF is constantly changing their rules lately, especially on pistol braces, but isn't the length of pull for a pistol legally limited to 13.5"? So if the measurement from the face of the trigger to the buttplate is over 13.5", wouldn't that setup be technically illegal? Seems to me that I read somewhere that in the case of a telescoping pistol brace, the brace must be permanently fixed so that it cannot be extended beyond the 13.5" maximum. If that is the case, and if the triangle brace is over 13.5", there is no way to limit the length of pull on that.
Fortunately the ATF doesn't seem to enforce that ruling, but it would just be my luck that I would be the first.
In my not-a-lawyer voice: while ATF likes to make a big deal about repurposing equipment in a way contrary to original design, moving a brace they've approved from one pistol to another hardly seems like a violation of that brace's intended purpose. Even if the result is contrary to their absolutely arbitrary 13.5" guideline (rule? law? assumption?). Honestly, the whole "average length of pull is 13.5, so 13.5 is the max LOP for braces" deal has always seemed a bit unenforceable to me - especially as someone who has long arms. 13.5 just doesn't work. My body's geometry shouldn't cause my comfort or simple ability to operate a firearm properly to be a question of legality.
Way too much common sense there brother. You need to stop that.
The sad part here is that the ATF doesn't really ascribe to common sense.
I would say that the whole thing is rather unenforceable and unless you get into a really bad situation with that firearm where its seized after being used and the shoot is questionable. I don't think you have much to worry about.
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Hey all, I did a thing. I think it turned out well. The brace locks when folded, and as long as it’s mounted in the middle of the pic rail or lower it doesn’t get on the way of the charging handle. More pics on my ig @mr_5lade
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200210/dcff0f36a395a2b2e3ccf6b8106c4d0f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200210/4ce272edc23dcfabaddf438761cff8ab.jpg)
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Mr_5lade
What do you think about the PSA brace? I am thinking of one for my current OCCAM Defense Krinkov. Does it look similar to other triangle folders?
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Hey all, I did a thing. I think it turned out well. The brace locks when folded, and as long as it’s mounted in the middle of the pic rail or lower it doesn’t get on the way of the charging handle. More pics on my ig @mr_5lade
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200210/dcff0f36a395a2b2e3ccf6b8106c4d0f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200210/4ce272edc23dcfabaddf438761cff8ab.jpg)
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Mr_5lade
What do you think about the PSA brace? I am thinking of one for my current OCCAM Defense Krinkov. Does it look similar to other triangle folders?
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I had to look up the OCCAM Defense Krinkov. That is one sexy beast. I like the PSA brace a lot. The top bar on it is completely solid so brace doesn’t seem to flex when you shoot. The lower bar and back piece are flexible but still pretty solid. I’m not too familiar with other regular stock triangle stocks, so I don’t know what to tell you there. I would say go with the PSA triangle brace. I like it as much as any of the other braces I have. You’ll be happy with it.
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We've all seen how the ATF is constantly changing their rules lately, especially on pistol braces, but isn't the length of pull for a pistol legally limited to 13.5"? So if the measurement from the face of the trigger to the buttplate is over 13.5", wouldn't that setup be technically illegal? Seems to me that I read somewhere that in the case of a telescoping pistol brace, the brace must be permanently fixed so that it cannot be extended beyond the 13.5" maximum. If that is the case, and if the triangle brace is over 13.5", there is no way to limit the length of pull on that.
Fortunately the ATF doesn't seem to enforce that ruling, but it would just be my luck that I would be the first.
In my not-a-lawyer voice: while ATF likes to make a big deal about repurposing equipment in a way contrary to original design, moving a brace they've approved from one pistol to another hardly seems like a violation of that brace's intended purpose. Even if the result is contrary to their absolutely arbitrary 13.5" guideline (rule? law? assumption?). Honestly, the whole "average length of pull is 13.5, so 13.5 is the max LOP for braces" deal has always seemed a bit unenforceable to me - especially as someone who has long arms. 13.5 just doesn't work. My body's geometry shouldn't cause my comfort or simple ability to operate a firearm properly to be a question of legality.
Way too much common sense there brother. You need to stop that.
The sad part here is that the ATF doesn't really ascribe to common sense.
I would say that the whole thing is rather unenforceable and unless you get into a really bad situation with that firearm where its seized after being used and the shoot is questionable. I don't think you have much to worry about.
Too bad for ATF that courts do tend to ascribe to real common sense if the argument is solid. If it were ever enforced (as unlikely as that it is), there is a valid argument if they try to enforce it against you.
Hence, if you gamble on the good odds that you have to deal with this and you're unlucky and lose the bet, then ATF has to take you to court and you have a solid argument in your favor as well.
Stop being so afraid of ATF. They're the ones in the wrong on so much of this. Rolling over for them just enables this bullbleep