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GENERAL => Ammunition, questions, and handloading techniques => Topic started by: Northern on April 30, 2021, 02:28:26 PM
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Anyone running ammo w steel or aluminum casings through their Scorpions? Any issues I should be aware of?
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https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=114236.msg888887#msg888887
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The linked resources are actually not on all fours with my question. Although the scorpion is technically a “pistol,” the paragraph isn’t really about Scorpions.
My question is whether anyone here has shot significant quantities of steel cases ammo like red army through a Scorpion.
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The Scorpion could also be a rifle.
Either way - the link is true and on all 8 legs.
Out of curiosity, why do you doubt it applies to your question?
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I have only fired a box of Wolf Steel cased ammo, think it was 124 gr. Other than being really dirty to clean up after it shot fine in my carbine. Group was about 4 inches off hand at 50 yds. Which is OK.
Hope this helps.
JW
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The Scorpion could also be a rifle.
Either way - the link is true and on all 8 legs.
Out of curiosity, why do you doubt it applies to your question?
Show me where the linked material applies to Scorpions! If it’s in there it’s a needle in a haystack, which isn’t a helpful manner of answering a simple question in a forum especially after the person who posted the answer also relocated the posted question to a corner of the forum where it is less likely to be seen by the people who have the knowledge to answer the question. It’s not helpful for answering my question. If someone asked if steel cases were ok for MP5 and Someone posted a link about HK pistols and steel, it wouldn’t be helpful, because although the MP5 is technically a pistol it’s operation is obviously different from the handguns which are the obvious content of the link. Same for this situation.
Yes, I know it’s also a carbine; I have one of each. If people don’t have a helpful answer to a simple question on a forum why is it they need to mansplain? My point is that information about steel casings and Cz pistols generally is not helpful for the question about steel casings and Scorpions. The bolt, extractor, and ejector, on all Scorpions regardless of pistol/carbine, are very different from the slide and corresponding parts in the 75, P-10, P-01 etc. The fact that the Scorpion is a pistol, and some are carbines, are legal definitions and don’t mean that technical information specific to self loading handguns applies to Scorpions. The length of the barrel isn’t a factor that will dictate if there are wear and tear issues related to using steel cased ammunition.
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I have only fired a box of Wolf Steel cased ammo, think it was 124 gr. Other than being really dirty to clean up after it shot fine in my carbine. Group was about 4 inches off hand at 50 yds. Which is OK.
Hope this helps.
JW
Thanks, this is on point.
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I've fired 1000's of rounds of steel cased ammo through mine. Mostly Wolf and Silver Bear. No problems at all, no excessive wear.
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Show me where the linked material applies to Scorpions! If it’s in there it’s a needle in a haystack, which isn’t a helpful manner of answering a simple question in a forum especially after the person who posted the answer also relocated the posted question to a corner of the forum where it is less likely to be seen by the people who have the knowledge to answer the question. It’s not helpful for answering my question. If someone asked if steel cases were ok for MP5 and Someone posted a link about HK pistols and steel, it wouldn’t be helpful, because although the MP5 is technically a pistol it’s operation is obviously different from the handguns which are the obvious content of the link....(snip)
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Well, glad you are able to show that you are so much better than everybody else. We bow to your intelligence.
From my understanding the scorpion is made by CZ. Not by Smith and Wesson, not by HK. So, being that it is made by CZ, and the link provided is referencing CZ firearms. My statement holds true.
Steel can be used. Will not void warranty. Will tend to wear all parts faster than brass, since steel is harder than brass. Properly loaded ammo will work fine. But you already knew all that.
Now I have shown you the needle. Hopefully you can find the haystack on your own. Good luck.
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If it’s in there it’s a needle in a haystack, which isn’t a helpful manner of answering a simple question in a forum especially after the person who posted the answer also relocated the posted question to a corner of the forum where it is less likely to be seen by the people who have the knowledge to answer the question.
1. Sir, I did not move your post to a "corner of the forum where it is less likely to be seen".
2. Your post worked its way down the stack due to lack of interest by our readers and posters. There it languished until I took the time to present the only answer I knew. I believed that you deserved and would appreciate a partial answer rather than No Answer.
3. I was wrong on both counts. I apologize.
4. I am locking this thread so that you won't be offended by others trying to make the same mistake.
All the best.
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the person who posted the answer also relocated the posted question to a corner of the forum where it is less likely to be seen by the people who have the knowledge to answer the question.
I moved your thread, not Wobbly. Your thread was moved because it pertains to ammunition. This section of the forum is where all ammunition threads are (or should be) posted. The fact that you don't like the answers is no one's fault but yours. Perhaps,if you took the time to read the various threads instead of complaining you may learn something, including the answer to your original question.