Post by: ScREWtop on July 02, 2003, 06:10:40 AM
I was recently looking for a 375H&H and someone suggested Brno 602 and CZ550.
Could someone tell me the difference please? Is Brno same as CZ? Is 550 newer than 602?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: Fred Flinstone on July 02, 2003, 05:33:07 PM
Older Brno's at one point had a flip up emergency peep-sight, an already very good express rear sight has always been available.
The newer CZ-550 Magnum also has exactly the same type of express rear sight (but unluckely no peep-up rear sight)
Both brandname have mostly been mfgr. with steel component, basic quality thru & thru.
Have a look at CZ-UB(Czech Republic) e-site, there's a lot of info. within the site but you have to take the time to check info. out.
Hope this reply helped you.
All the best,
Fred
Post by: ScREWtop on July 03, 2003, 01:01:45 AM
I had a look at www.cz-usa.com/_p/pdt.php?id=28 (http://www.cz-usa.com/_p/pdt.php?id=28) and it says:
CZ 550 Safari Magnum
Known world wide as the 602 Brno, the CZ 550 Safari is a true full sized Magnum, not a smaller action blown out to barely hold the cartridge with only 2 rounds in the magazine, the Safari can hold 3 Rigbys in the magazine! Features include Express sights (1 standing, 2 folding), hammer forged barrel and single set trigger. The stock is made from select Turkish walnut and has a classic safari shape. The controlled round feed and fixed ejector make this rifle reliable enough for Heavy and Dangerous game.
When I asked the guy who's selling his 2nd hand 602 he said it was different.
Are they pretty much the same quality or is CZ550 better?
Post by: Fred Flinstone on July 03, 2003, 05:49:32 PM
Good luck,
Fred
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 04, 2003, 07:52:45 PM
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 05, 2003, 09:11:25 AM
Post by: Fred Flinstone on July 05, 2003, 08:08:40 PM
Post by: ScREWtop on July 06, 2003, 03:47:07 AM
So, is Brno better or CZ -- I mean in terms of quality straight from the box?
OK, is it better to buy a used Brno 602 at half the price of a brand new CZ?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 06, 2003, 07:08:41 AM
Post by: Fred Flinstone on July 06, 2003, 12:44:37 PM
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 06, 2003, 03:47:43 PM
Post by: Fred Flinstone on July 06, 2003, 07:40:04 PM
I'm not here for a pis_ing match, what so advantageous in having a ZKK, please enlighten us. If you're living in Canada I'll send you a few ZKK ads for sale.
-Stock design?
-Metallurgy?
-Special sights?
-Special finish?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 06, 2003, 09:07:54 PM
But seriously ,I've always had respect for the BRNO rifles since the first time I saw & read about them. I've always tried to pick up as much knowledge about the Czech made firearms as I could and I will pass on that knowledge if I feel it will help out someone. But I must have stepped on the toes of a more knowledgable person than I. If I lived in your country I sure could expand my collection being as how there was a lot more BRNO guns imported there over the years & they are a lot cheaper than down here.
BRNO & CZ are different companys. They always have been.
Post by: ScREWtop on July 07, 2003, 05:06:44 AM
But this discussion has enlightened me heaps, its the same and yet its different. CZ's are going for about $1,000 brand new.
I gotta see the gun again to make sure the barrel is still in good condition, do you reckon they can hold MOA on paper?
Are there known problems like shells won't eject and so on?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 07, 2003, 02:35:29 PM
Post by: JohnBT on July 08, 2003, 06:17:31 PM
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A history of CZ, and the *OTHER* CZ!
A ''corporate history'' of Ceska Zbrojovka-- the Czech armory.
by Kyrie Ellis
Kyrie posted this excellent history of the armory that manufactured the CZ weapons on the c-r-ffl board in September of 1998.
A bit of the history of Ceska Zbrojovka and CeskoslovenskaZbrojovka (and Ceska Zavody Motocyklove) for anyone interested :-)
Ceska Zbrojovka
The company we know as Ceska Zbrojovka was founded in 1919 in Pilsin, a the Jihoceska Zbrojovka (South Bohemian Arms Factory). It moved in 1921 to a new factory in Strakonice, and, in 1922, merged with the Hubertus Factory and changed its name to Ceska Zbrojovka (Bohemian Arms Factory). Its trademark is "CZ", where the "Z" is inside the loop of the "C" and the "C"is in a circle.
Ceska Zbrojovka was the sole supplier of handguns to the Czech military from 1926 to 1954 (and possibly beyond). Among the military pistols produced b Ceska Zbrojovka are the Vz-24, V-27, Vz-36/45, Vz-38, Vz-50 &Vz-70, and the Vz-52. (Note: "Vz" is the abbreviation for "Vzor", or "Model").
Ceska Zbrojovka was preparing to move to Uhersky Brod in1939 when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia and seized the factory. During WWII,Ceska Zbrojovka remained in Strakonice and continued to make pistols for theThird Reich. Germany used a number of Czech Vz-24's, Vz-27's (as the"Pistole Modell 27") and Vz-38's (as the model "P.39(t)"). Pistols made during the Occupation can be found marked "Bohmische Waffenfabrik A. G. Prag". CeskaZbrojovka also produced parts for the Walther P.38, and such parts will havethe code "fnh" and the Waffenamt "WaA 76". Ceska Zbrojovka was considered for production of the P.38 during WWII, but whether they actually produced any complete pistols is a matter of dispute. This subject is clouded by the post-war (1946) production of some P.38's by Ceska Zbrojovka using parts andsalvaged pistols.
In 1955 Ceska Zbrojovka finally moved to Uhersky Brod and the Strakonice factory was turned over to the Ceska Zavody Motocyklove Narodni Podnik to produce motorcycles.
Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka
Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka was founded in 1918 in the city ofBrno, acquired Mauser's tooling to produce Model 98 rifles, and began production of M98 Mauser rifles. Its trademark was the letter "Z", inside a rifled bore. This trademark originally belonged to the Praga Zbrojovka whose assets were purchased by Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka in 1926. As Ceska Zbrojovka had the "lock" on Czech military pistol contracts, so Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka was the sole supplier of long arms to the Czech military.
Probably the most well known rifle produced by Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka is the Vz-24. WithGermany in general (and Mauser in particular) banned from producing military arms, Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka moved into the void and became one ofthe major exporters of small arms following World War I and during the inter-War years. Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka was also occupied during WWII, and produced rifles for the Third Reich under the manufacturer's code "dot". Oneoften ignored>fact is that the British BREN light machinegun is a Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka design, and was produced by the Royal Arms factory in England under license from Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka.
Folks frequently confuse the trademarks of these companies - a situation not helped by the fact the country code for Czechoslovakia isalso "CZ". The place-name "Brno" is also frequently misused as a company identifier. Possibly because few non-Czech speakers want to attempt to pronounce "Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka". But be that as it may, the name "Brno" came into such common usage that it was utilized as a product name after the Communist take-over of Czechoslovakia. Speaking of which, with the Communist take-over in the late 1940's both Ceska Zbrojovka and Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka ceased to exist, at least as we thinkof them as separate companies. Rather they became State owned manufacturing facilities ("Narodni Podnik", or "National Enterprise"). At this point it becomes unclear the degree to which commercial firearm markings indicate what factory was involved in the production of the firearm.
At some point the manufacturing facility in Brno was renamed to Zbrojovka Brno (Brno Arms). The manufacturing facility in Uhersky Brod became a member of the Zbrojovka Brno Narodni Podnik in 1965. At this point the firearms produced at Uhersky Brod were also marked (I won't say "used the trademark") "Brno". I think it's important to note here that while these were still physically different manufacturing facilities, both were a part of the same National Enterprise. That's an important distinction since what we, in a capitalistic society, think of as "companies" and "trade marks" either donot exist or have different meanings in a Socialist State.
With the deterioration and eventual dissolution of the Soviet Union, private enterprise again came to Czechoslovakia. The National Enterprise located at Uhersky Brod is once more "Ceska Zbrojovka", and appears to be well on the road to private ownership. It even has a new trademark; theoutline of a pistol in a circle.
Ceska Zbrojovka has an Internet site at <www.czub.cz,> (http://www.czub.cz,>) and an office here in the States. The last address I have for their US office is: CZ USA; Building B, Unit 119; 1401 Fairfax Trafficway; Kansas City, KS 66115 (tel) 800/955-4486 or 913/321-1811 (fax) 913/321-2251 E-mail: czusa@gvi.net <mailto:czusa@gvi.net>
As of 18 May, 1995, Zbrojovka Brno/Brno Arms was still in operation and producing fine shotguns, rifles, pistols, and airguns.Individual shareholders held 50.43% of its stock, with the remainder of itscapitalization provided by governmental entities. Reportedly, 40% of its production goes to 52 countries worldwide. To the best of my knowledge, Zbrojovka Brno does nothave either a US office or an Internet site. Zbrojovka Brno still uses theletter "Z" inside a rifled bore as its trademark
Post by: Fred Flinstone on July 11, 2003, 05:23:46 PM
Tried to post something but it got lost in e-space or something,
Brno and CZ have made quality arms since a long while, various old Brno rifles are very sought after(including by me). I've always admired the workmanship in the ZG-47.
Collecting is always a bit ectic: various model can be easily bought in a region ex: AG-42, these could be bought for $150 Cnd, in the U.S. where these were less imported they can reach double the amount in U. S. currency. Moral of the story try to stay rational over collection, would you have a ZG-47 for sale by any chance?
Post by: Unregistered(d) on July 12, 2003, 08:21:25 PM