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Title: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on September 12, 2011, 12:30:04 PM
I have decided to start a thread that details key areas of the CZ action that benefit from smoothing.  The gun in this thread is a CZ Custom Shop SP-01.  It has the comp hammer, tactical sights, 13# hammer spring, and the hammer strut has been contoured and ploished.  I could not test the DA before since my electronic scale only goes to 12#'s and this pistol was off my scale.  Anyway, here's a before pic of the trigger bar:

(https://i.imgur.com/QwRqoi6.jpg)

This is an after pic of the same trigger bar.  The DA disconnector contract area on this trigger bar is the worst I have ever seen.  The tooling used to cut it was worn out.  However, it can still deliver good performance with careful prep and polish.  I use 3M aluminum oxide paper in 400-800-1000 increments, followed by a super fine polishing compound done with a felt wheel mounted on a dremel.  I should be able to see my finger prints in the polished areas of the trigger bar once done, in essence, it's a mirror finish.  I'll work through the action and post pics as I go.

(https://i.imgur.com/wi0a7Kk.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: coolbox on September 12, 2011, 12:41:14 PM
ouch!

wow!

(first pic, and second pic, respectively)

what about corrosion/rusting of fully polished stuff. I do not have access to dremel etc, will 1000 grit aluminum oxide serve the purpose, with a bit of compromise?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Stuart on September 12, 2011, 01:33:53 PM
tag.

be careful on some areas though..the tool marks can be so bad and deep, that if you polish too much to remove all the tool marks you can take too much metal off and affect the timing.

but even with deep tool  marks you can still get a smooth moving action that will be ten times better than stock.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: JDuncan on September 12, 2011, 03:52:17 PM
Great Post! Awesome pics! Thanks for the tip, Schmeky!
-JD
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on September 12, 2011, 04:49:53 PM
Stuart,

Is absolutely correct.  If there are deep tool marks, do not attempt to remove them, since it's the smoothness of the area that matters, not the appearance.  This trigger bar has really bad tool marks on the disconnector contact face, so it will get smoothed only, the tool marks will remain.  Here's a pic of just how crude this bar is, but I am finished with this area:

(https://i.imgur.com/4kZz10w.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ThompsonCustom on September 16, 2011, 06:16:12 PM
Wow thanks for the step-by-step and pics I think this should be made a Sticky in the CZ related Frequently Asked Questions, Gunsmithing/Maintenance sections. Very nice work as always!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: tekarra on September 16, 2011, 06:28:20 PM
Excellent post schmeky and I look forward to the followups.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Stuart on September 16, 2011, 06:54:23 PM
This will definitely be a great thread to sticky or bookmark.

Schmeky would love to see more of your mods and *secrets*  :)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on September 16, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
I ain't got no secrets, you guys can have anything I got for free 8)

I will pick up on this in the next day or so since there are obviously other areas that need to be addressed.  I've been really busy lately and like to take care of customers first.  I hope this thread will help the CZ bretherin' extract the most from their CZ's. 

Besides, I know others (Stuart?) have something to contribute as well. 
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on September 25, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
Here's the trigger bar and disconnector as they look when installed in the pistol.  I estimate 85%+ of the friction in DA is right here, so taking extra time to smooth and polish in these areas will deliver great dividends.   The goal is to remove as little metal as possible and still acheive a a mirror finish.  Also, nothing beats the actual wearing in of the action, so I consider this as the foundation for an even smoother action in a short time frame.

I have also been testing a very high content moly grease that can actually lower the DA pull a few ounces by itself, so I add the moly in these critical areas when I do a final reassembly.

(https://i.imgur.com/SSzqFnc.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: kobus on October 03, 2011, 01:30:57 PM
wow ! amazing and interesting.  thanks for this post  :)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: bozwell on October 03, 2011, 01:52:20 PM
Great post. :)  I have a very general polishing question for you guys - I'm working under the theory that there are no stupid questions so bear with me.  ;D

How do you work the different sandpapers into some of the small crevices?  Are you cutting small strips of sandpaper and holding them up against some flat object (if so, what works best)?  I realize how small some of those little nooks are, so I'm curious how you'd recommend sanding them effectively.  Also, I'd be a bit worried about rounding off some of the edges when doing the sanding.  After all the sanding is done, do you apply a light coat of oil to these parts?  I don't want to attract a lot of dirt into the sensitive parts of the gun but is there any risk of the polished/unfinished parts rusting without a coating of oil on them?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: nothing on October 03, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
I use strips of sand paper cut to fit small files. I use rubber cement to attach the strips. Basically I'm just making a very small sanding block. After sanding I use a degreaser to flush away any metal shavings and then apply a very light coat of rem oil using a q-tip.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on October 03, 2011, 03:23:05 PM
To get to the rear of the trigger bar, I have a modified dremel attachment.  I cut small narrow strips of sandpaper, then hold it on the dremel attachment with a very small o-ring.  Makes changing out the sandpaper strips a snap.  I'll post a pic of this little tool.

On the main trigger bar and exposed areas, I use 400/800/1000 and keep it wet with WD-40 (I buy WD-40 in the gallon can).  Also remember it's critical to alternate your sanding pattern, up-down, then side-to-side, but go lightly, not much pressure.  This alternating pattern will produce the desired level of polish quickly and efficiently. 

Lastly, I have a super fine polishing compound I use a small felt dremel wheel with for obtaining a glass like finish.  Polished metal is slow to rust since the pores of rough steel are essentially eliminated.  Just a light coat of lube will keep the polished parts rust free.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: jwc007 on October 03, 2011, 03:31:04 PM
This will definitely be a great thread to sticky or bookmark.

I quite agree!  Done.

Great thread!  8)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Stuart on October 03, 2011, 05:23:28 PM
I use a diamond hones in 3 different grades to square things up and get a smooth finish. I'll use paper in small strips in varying grades. and felt wheel and compound.
I also cut in the direction of travel of the part. kind of like not cutting across the grain.

Schmecky your tool sounds great.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on October 04, 2011, 03:51:02 PM
It's really simple, here it is.  It works well on the rear of the trigger bar that contacts the sear trigger pad and the FPB lifter pad.  The top pic is how it looks ready to use, the bottom is how it looks when purchased new.

(https://i.imgur.com/4bWZtbk.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: JHS on January 01, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
Schmecky,

So when using your tool, what surface (of tool) contacts the action parts? Do you hold it so its like a rotary sander or more like a drum sander? The way the paper looks, the surface used would be the end of the tool more like a rotary.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Hayfield123 on January 13, 2012, 08:51:07 PM
Really great post!  A smooth trigger would be a perfect adjunct to the (soon to be) world famous Cajun Gunworks CZ Adjustable Rear Sight!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on January 13, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Hayfield1123,

Hardy, har, har  :P
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Hayfield123 on January 13, 2012, 11:09:51 PM
I'm going to buy one!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: N.D. on June 14, 2012, 11:36:35 AM
Thanks goes to Schmeky, and also to Stuart for the info!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on July 25, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
Finally have a little free time to get this finished.  Here is an area of major importance, the sear and hammer.  Note in the first pic a stock CZ sear.  I have seen these vary from not to good, to a miniature wash board.
 
(https://i.imgur.com/kq9sQsL.jpg)

Next pic is the hammer area that rubs against the underside of the sear.  If the hammer is rough (and it is most of the time) combined with a "wash board" sear, means a really gritty feel when cocking the hammer.

(https://i.imgur.com/aPpufUo.jpg)

Last pic is the sear underside after polishing along with the hammer contact area.  Done right, you now have a butter smooth cocking feel.  Next post will deal with the firing pin lifter arm, firing pin block plunger, and the hammer strut.  All CZ's that come to my shop for action work have this performed.  The difference, before and after, is dramatic.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZutfvAI.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on July 25, 2012, 08:58:24 PM
Firing pin lifter arm (in the sear cage), firing pin block plunger (in the slide), and the sear cage pin.  Note I did not remove all the tool marks on the lifter arm.  Removing to much can reduce how high the plunger is raised, which can cause mis-fires, so be careful here.  Also the plunger needs to be mirror polished.  Also, installing a light plunger spring, which I offer, literally takes the "feel" of the entire lifter and plunger away.  The real resistance once these steps are taken is the trigger return spring.

(https://i.imgur.com/XOun4o3.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: schmeky on July 25, 2012, 09:04:22 PM
If you want to really knock it out of the park, add these to the action job.  The first is the hammer strut.  Note the lower area is the main place you want to concentrate on, but obviously don't omit the upper hammer pin-strut hole and sides.

(https://i.imgur.com/ywf1RDL.jpg)

The rear of the slide is generally overlooked.  The area of the slide that contacts the face of the hammer can be sharp, rough, uneven, or all of these.  True it, bevel, and polish. 

(https://i.imgur.com/030H0i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ace73 on July 26, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
Great pics and info!!!!!!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: 9millie on August 12, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
did you use a dremel for all of this? i cant find and 400,800, or 1000 grit sander bits for a dremel? i understand what you did with the sandpaper strips and o ring for the rear of the trigger bar but did you also use the same thing for everything else?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Chiz on February 18, 2013, 12:44:05 AM
Excellent info, thank you for posting your pics and information.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: 2004play on March 03, 2013, 05:28:51 AM
I just followed these steps on my Shadow
With over 8000 rounds down the pipe and all I can say is WoW what a difference
It made!!

Thanks for posting this
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: coolbox on March 03, 2013, 07:02:26 AM
A guy at the range had a pretty used SP01 Shadow. When he shot mine, he said wow on the trigger, and asked how many rounds this had seen? I said 500 odd, but I did what was posted in this thread. Real slick, a notch under 2.5# SA break with all factory springs. Cocking of hammer is real slick too.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: nosaj750 on May 02, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Thanks Schmeky your the man!!!! I recently purchased the spring kit and polished up everything that was obvious but now I'll have to revisit some areas you've pointed out that aren't so obvious...Great work.....
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: e-mishka on June 13, 2013, 12:02:48 PM
Great posts
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: CAGLS on June 16, 2013, 05:13:16 AM
Can't believe I haven't seen this. I have to remove some of the remaining grit on my SP-01 Shadow Target. I guess I've just been doing the basic polish job after now learning what I missed touching up, thanks David.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Wogdog on June 19, 2013, 04:56:06 AM
To get to the rear of the trigger bar, I have a modified dremel attachment.  I cut small narrow strips of sandpaper, then hold it on the dremel attachment with a very small o-ring.  Makes changing out the sandpaper strips a snap.  I'll post a pic of this little tool.

On the main trigger bar and exposed areas, I use 400/800/1000 and keep it wet with WD-40 (I buy WD-40 in the gallon can).  Also remember it's critical to alternate your sanding pattern, up-down, then side-to-side, but go lightly, not much pressure.  This alternating pattern will produce the desired level of polish quickly and efficiently. 

Lastly, I have a super fine polishing compound I use a small felt dremel wheel with for obtaining a glass like finish.  Polished metal is slow to rust since the pores of rough steel are essentially eliminated.  Just a light coat of lube will keep the polished parts rust free.





Are you using a rouge to polish or something else

Edit Note: HTML quote correction
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ThompsonCustom on November 24, 2013, 07:57:02 AM
You know what we need is a trigger bar like the SVI 1911 trigger bow. Made from high quality tool steel and with balls bearings in it so it rides as smooth as butter.  8)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: mordakyblu on January 15, 2014, 01:09:21 PM
If you don't want to use a dremel tool, try 3000 grit sand paper (I bought it at O Riley Auto Parts). That will put a nice shine polish on the parts too.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Wogdog on January 15, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
I used some .5 micron wet dry I got from a knife sharpener
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Weazel911 on February 08, 2014, 01:53:40 PM
Tag for future use..... Thanks for this excellent write up.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: 1SOW on February 08, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
You know what we need is a trigger bar like the SVI 1911 trigger bow. Made from high quality tool steel and with balls bearings in it so it rides as smooth as butter.  8)

+1
I thought about that too when polishing mine.  It's kind of a loose fit, with some variation right and left side.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: rtp on May 24, 2014, 01:23:18 AM
Here's the trigger bar and disconnector as they look when installed in the pistol.  I estimate 85%+ of the friction in DA is right here, so taking extra time to smooth and polish in these areas will deliver great dividends.   The goal is to remove as little metal as possible and still acheive a a mirror finish.  Also, nothing beats the actual wearing in of the action, so I consider this as the foundation for an even smoother action in a short time frame.

I have also been testing a very high content moly grease that can actually lower the DA pull a few ounces by itself, so I add the moly in these critical areas when I do a final reassembly.

(https://i.imgur.com/SSzqFnc.jpg)


Are you still milling out the center of disconnectors?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: brewer00psd on December 19, 2014, 01:35:04 AM
Would like to say thank you to all who have contributed.  I purchased a new SP-01 yesterday and am planning on taking it out to shoot tomorrow.  Did not care for how gritty the DA pull was.  Disassembled and polished everything except for the sear cage.  The difference is great for the minimal amount work I did and not disassembling the sear cage.  No more grit in DA.  I will do the sear work when my CGW parts get here after Christmas.   BTW, I bought my first hand gun just over a month ago and this one yesterday.  I am very new to all of this, but this thread and the one kneelingatlas did on Brian's page made it very straight forward and pretty easy.
Thanks again.
Matt
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cusco19 on December 29, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
where to buy the 3M aluminum oxide paper? walmart only carries the 150/220, and lowes has the 100/150/220. can i use a 3M wet/dry 800 or 1000 instead? and then using mother's metal polish with dremel felt wheel?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: brewer00psd on December 29, 2014, 09:33:04 PM
I get mine from NAPA.  Ended up using 1000, 1500, and 2500.  Instantly polished once I hit it with the wheel and mothers.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cntrydawwwg on December 29, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
All I used was wet/dry 800, 1000, 1500 with some WD40 from the hardware store. Then polished with some Flitz with a Dremel.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cusco19 on December 30, 2014, 01:27:32 PM
thanks guys.. i don't have any mother's mag polish at home, but i do have a 3M body repair rubbing compound fine cut. would that work as well?

Update: just did the polish work last night. used a bit of 800grit wet/dry first and then used 3M rubbing compound + dremel with polishing wheel. now silky smooth like baby's butt without worrying removing too much.  :)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: CAGLS on January 17, 2015, 09:58:55 PM
Another tool I used to get into the notches of the trigger bar is a Dawson Precision aluminum drift tool that fits perfectly in that area. I just wrap my 3M aluminum oxide sand paper around it and keep it square to the surface.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cusco19 on January 17, 2015, 10:42:25 PM
CAGLS, I've ordered some slide glide for the slide rails. Would you recommended putting some between the trigger bar and the frame?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: CAGLS on January 19, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
No just a light coat of oil there or any fcg areas.
CAGLS, I've ordered some slide glide for the slide rails. Would you recommended putting some between the trigger bar and the frame?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cusco19 on January 19, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
Ok. That's what I did too. Good to know.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Ron Burgundy on March 13, 2015, 05:39:11 PM
I am currently waiting for some springs and firing pin from Cajun Gun Works to upgrade my Phantom that I had sitting around since 2009 and I have been polishing everything that has been posted by smecky to bring it back to my main arsenal. Can't wait for the end results!  :)

Even though it won't improve trigger pull can I polish the firing pin for more reliable primer strikes and bling? Or would that void cgw's lifetime warranty on the firing pin?
Title: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cntrydawwwg on March 13, 2015, 10:58:37 PM
Welcome to the forum Ron.
You'll have to contact CGW and ask them. Only then, can you be sure if it does or not.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Ron Burgundy on March 14, 2015, 01:57:57 AM
Welcome to the forum Ron.

Thanks!

You'll have to contact CGW and ask them. Only then, can you be sure if it does or not.

Yea I suppose that would be the best course of action. And I am now gonna have to order a new firing pin block lifter spring as mine pulled a Houdini on me so might as well call them while putting in a order...  :(

Darned thing is so tiny im sure it is in plain sight but for the life of me I cannot find the little sob.

Can the gun function without it while I wait for it to arrive in the mail or would that be really really dumb decision?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Nubia on February 20, 2016, 03:53:44 PM
This is outstanding! Thank you very much for putting the time and effort into doing this
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: GRU7_Mike on February 20, 2016, 04:14:04 PM
If there was only a YouTube fairy that would go ....pooof and all this could be on video for us written instruction challenged smucks!!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ZardozCZ on February 20, 2016, 04:58:55 PM
If there was only a YouTube fairy that would go ....pooof and all this could be on video for us written instruction challenged smucks!!

Plus 1 as they say, or [LIKE] as other places do. I scour UTubes looking for advice, hoping to find good stuff, but now wonder if I'll have to learn vimeo or other places...
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on February 20, 2016, 05:41:30 PM
I have an SP-01 arriving next week. I've done all the stuff here and will be doing it again. I'll try and record it and post it to YouTube. I know how much I would have appreciated some YouTube videos of this when I got started. Give me a week or two...
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Nubia on February 20, 2016, 10:44:23 PM
What brand rubbing compound do you use? Just curious. Thanks again, very much appreciated!!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on February 20, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
I use Flitz, as it came pretty highly recommended. There are some other good brands out there, but Flitz worked great and I've had no reason to use anything else.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: GRU7_Mike on February 21, 2016, 11:22:08 AM
I have an SP-01 arriving next week. I've done all the stuff here and will be doing it again. I'll try and record it and post it to YouTube. I know how much I would have appreciated some YouTube videos of this when I got started. Give me a week or two...

That would be greatly appreciated by many in this forum.  I belong to 5 forums and by far this one has more instructional posts about tuning and making pistols better.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: USMCZ on February 26, 2016, 06:56:03 AM
With the knowledge acquired in this post and others, I just finished an SP-01 (safety) that I have been shooting for years. Thought it had gotten pretty good with just the wear in process but thanks to David at CGW for parts suggestion and sharing his valuable time to answer my questions, I now have the range gun I always dreamed about.

It went so well, I reworked the wife's SP-01 Tactical with more parts from CGW...this will ensure I get to keep my pistol :-)

Thanks again to everyone for sharing your knowledge on this forum and thanks again to David at CGW...
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: arkadi on March 04, 2016, 08:26:20 AM
A great tool to polish to get into hard to reach places is Dremel tool #422 Felt Polishing Cone.
It is denser and harder than 1/2" polishing wheel #414, polishes alone, yet I used Dillon's Case Polish with it.

https://www.dremel.com/en-ca/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=422

(http://mdm.boschwebservices.com/files/Dremel%20Rotary%20Tool%20Accessory%20422%20(EN)%20r19788v15.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: GRU7_Mike on March 04, 2016, 03:12:23 PM
A great tool to polish to get into hard to reach places is Dremel tool #422 Felt Polishing Cone.
It is denser and harder than 1/2" polishing wheel #414, polishes alone, yet I used Dillon's Case Polish with it.

https://www.dremel.com/en-ca/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=422

(http://mdm.boschwebservices.com/files/Dremel%20Rotary%20Tool%20Accessory%20422%20(EN)%20r19788v15.jpg)

These are the best to polish a feed ramp with.  Have to buy a few when you find them as they are hard to find most of the time.  I use them with Flitz or Mothers polish.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ArLEOret on March 10, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Thank you for posting. I am new to CZs, about 1 year or so and don't like to disassemble since my manual dexterity is poor. I am 81. But that being said, I have learned to love the CZs after being a Sig and HK fan for years.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Rhino on March 10, 2016, 08:09:57 PM
I use Kratex to polish all internal parts.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: inthevalley on September 08, 2016, 12:29:00 AM
Just wanted to send out a sincere THANK YOU to schmeky for making this thread.

When I bought my SAR K2 it had a significant amount of gritty creep in SA and terrible stacking in DA. 1000 rounds later the creep went down a little but still pretty bad. I followed this guide and after some light sanding and polishing I am happy to report that the SA is now 95% creep-free and the DA is much smoother as well.

Now if only there was a company out there making some fiber optic sights and a SAO trigger for the SAR...  ;D
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: mutedblade on September 23, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
Thanks for taking the time to put this together Schmeky.  Will be putting an order together shortly and using this detailed post to get my SP01 in tip top shape ;)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Taco101 on January 17, 2017, 03:04:04 PM
Tag for later.  Waiting on all my parts from CGW and reading this thread is making me chomp at the bit to get started!!!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: SoCal on January 20, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
I've done my 75B and my SP-01 and for me it's very satisfying.  Both now have 3# SA and 8# DA trigger pulls. 
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ericskeith5 on January 21, 2017, 02:23:05 PM
Tag for later.  Waiting on all my parts from CGW and reading this thread is making me chomp at the bit to get started!!!
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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: cntrydawwwg on January 22, 2017, 02:50:13 AM
Tag for later.  Waiting on all my parts from CGW and reading this thread is making me chomp at the bit to get started!!!
I use tapatalk to access this forum.  Is there an actual way to tag topics?  I'm not seeing it.

Thanks.

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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ericskeith5 on January 23, 2017, 02:12:04 PM
Tag for later.  Waiting on all my parts from CGW and reading this thread is making me chomp at the bit to get started!!!
I use tapatalk to access this forum.  Is there an actual way to tag topics?  I'm not seeing it.

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Title: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Bullcityrising on May 15, 2017, 10:42:25 PM
What an amazing wealth of information. Anyone have any pointers for getting into the back corners? I'm using 600, 1000, 1200, 1600, 2200, and then flitz. The large surfaces are no sweat, but the recesses are the devil to get to.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/64c03de718167e027256d221217fece6.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/736299e1e64046a88a8c0ee16e842ca0.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170516/357e1b42ba10cb0e8cc9093149956e01.jpg)


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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: krehmkej on May 18, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
I use various shaped felt wheels and points on my Dremel with red rouge followed by white.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/Yj0AAOSwYIxX2ukl/s-l225.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Bullcityrising on May 18, 2017, 11:21:53 AM
I use various shaped felt wheels and points on my Dremel with red rouge followed by white.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/Yj0AAOSwYIxX2ukl/s-l225.jpg)


Nice assortment of polishing wheels. I got a rouge polishing cloth that seemed to do the trick. There are still a few small corners and crevasses that are not mirror bright, but it's a lot better than it was.


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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: rich63 on May 18, 2017, 12:52:50 PM
What I do is take a q-tip and cut in half, pull off the cotton on each end, stick in a dremel on low speed and use the stem. I use Flitz  and Mothers Wheel and Mag Polish. Be careful to leave yourself enough of the stem sticking out. You don't want the end of the dremel to come in contact with your trigger bar. After doing that several times, I will, again, cut a q-tip in half and clean up the areas with the q-tips. This works great for me. Not sure if anyone here on the forum does this same thing or not.

rich63
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: jwc007 on May 18, 2017, 01:37:41 PM
What I do is take a q-tip and cut in half, pull off the cotton on each end, stick in a dremel on low speed and use the stem. I use Flitz  and Mothers Wheel and Mag Polish. Be careful to leave yourself enough of the stem sticking out. You don't want the end of the dremel to come in contact with your trigger bar. After doing that several times, I will, again, cut a q-tip in half and clean up the areas with the q-tips. This works great for me. Not sure if anyone here on the forum does this same thing or not.

Very interesting! I may have to try that one!

Thanx for posting!  :)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Bullcityrising on May 18, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
What I do is take a q-tip and cut in half, pull off the cotton on each end, stick in a dremel on low speed and use the stem. I use Flitz  and Mothers Wheel and Mag Polish. Be careful to leave yourself enough of the stem sticking out. You don't want the end of the dremel to come in contact with your trigger bar. After doing that several times, I will, again, cut a q-tip in half and clean up the areas with the q-tips. This works great for me. Not sure if anyone here on the forum does this same thing or not.

rich63


THAT'S SMART!


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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: milq on May 18, 2017, 10:43:23 PM
Hobby stores usually carry some q-tip like products that are more densely packed and come in a variety of pointed, rounded, etc. styles. I picked up some from Hobby Lobby and if you're gentle you can cut the stick in half and use them in a dremel.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: recoilguy on May 24, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
for future use
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Stopsign32v on June 29, 2017, 07:08:23 PM
And the pictures are gone  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Smoothing the Action
Post by: s0nspark on June 29, 2017, 07:59:21 PM
And the pictures are gone  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

This is why I switched to using other hosting services for uploaded images.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: MadDuner on September 12, 2017, 10:08:08 PM
OK, I polished everything in this how-to thread, installed new hammer and hammer springs and recoil spring.
It's not even the same gun anymore! 

I consider all the polishing time - WELL SPENT!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: R.A.N.G.E.R on December 14, 2017, 09:13:38 AM
OK, I polished everything in this how-to thread, installed new hammer and hammer springs and recoil spring.
It's not even the same gun anymore! 

I consider all the polishing time - WELL SPENT!

Time spent polishing mechanisms to make them work right is not removed from your life

I’m reading this sticky thread backwards to find info to work on my P-07.  Unfortunately with Photobucket essentially gone, so many years’ worth of great picture based information is gone. I hope that has been restored somewhere in this sticky thread, or else is there a way to add it back, or another source? Thanks....
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: s0nspark on December 14, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
OK, I polished everything in this how-to thread, installed new hammer and hammer springs and recoil spring.
It's not even the same gun anymore! 

I consider all the polishing time - WELL SPENT!

Time spent polishing mechanisms to make them work right is not removed from your life

I’m reading this sticky thread backwards to find info to work on my P-07.  Unfortunately with Photobucket essentially gone, so many years’ worth of great picture based information is gone. I hope that has been restored somewhere in this sticky thread, or else is there a way to add it back, or another source? Thanks....

First off => http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=66147.0

Secondly... I will work on rehosting the images in this thread this weekend, as I did in that other thread ;-) You may also want to check out the Photobucket Hotlink Fix (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-hotlink-fix/kegnjbncdcliihbemealioapbifiaedg?hl=en) plugin for Google Chrome, if that is the browser you happen to be using.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on December 14, 2017, 01:45:11 PM

You may also want to check out the Photobucket Hotlink Fix (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-hotlink-fix/kegnjbncdcliihbemealioapbifiaedg?hl=en) plugin for Google Chrome, if that is the browser you happen to be using.


God bless you for sharing that!!!!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: s0nspark on December 14, 2017, 03:49:40 PM

You may also want to check out the Photobucket Hotlink Fix (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-hotlink-fix/kegnjbncdcliihbemealioapbifiaedg?hl=en) plugin for Google Chrome, if that is the browser you happen to be using.


God bless you for sharing that!!!!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K2fvmxTAvn4/THO6Lx0nDaI/AAAAAAAAACw/myynusFkxc4/s1600/two-thumbs-up.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: s0nspark on December 15, 2017, 04:39:13 AM
OK, folks... images have been rehosted so they should be visible to all on all platforms.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Hypo on December 25, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Thank you.    Looking for my Dremel tool now.

Going to start with my clone first
After getting some competency with the L-120 I will try polishing my Shadow 2.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: briang2ad on January 02, 2019, 08:54:56 PM
Folks:  ANY pics or instructions for polishing the disco?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on January 06, 2019, 10:08:01 PM
Folks:  ANY pics or instructions for polishing the disco?  Thanks.


David shows the disconnector sitting on the trigger bar to illustrate contact points. Here’s some pictures with a disconnector by itself.

I point to one face, but don’t forget there are two sides.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/1b3edee3f99b7b938970d98fbd0ff300.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/c9f6dee597085b204944adaeb1b82f1c.jpg)


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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: recoilguy on January 07, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
nice
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: pacman59 on January 10, 2019, 08:03:19 AM
Awesome thread with input from many talented peeps - thank you!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: briang2ad on January 20, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
Folks:  ANY pics or instructions for polishing the disco?  Thanks.


David shows the disconnector sitting on the trigger bar to illustrate contact points. Here’s some pictures with a disconnector by itself.

I point to one face, but don’t forget there are two sides.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/1b3edee3f99b7b938970d98fbd0ff300.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/c9f6dee597085b204944adaeb1b82f1c.jpg)


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Any problem taking a demel and felt to the disco?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: himurax13 on January 20, 2019, 03:03:32 PM
Folks:  ANY pics or instructions for polishing the disco?  Thanks.


David shows the disconnector sitting on the trigger bar to illustrate contact points. Here’s some pictures with a disconnector by itself.

I point to one face, but don’t forget there are two sides.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/1b3edee3f99b7b938970d98fbd0ff300.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/c9f6dee597085b204944adaeb1b82f1c.jpg)


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Any problem taking a demel and felt to the disco?  Thanks.
A dremel can easily take off too much material.

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Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on January 20, 2019, 05:39:11 PM
That’s a good point. I don’t use normal Dremel sanding drums. Even with that caveat and that I use high grit papers... Be careful and follow David’s instructions and advice as to material removal and caution.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: briang2ad on January 20, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
I asked because David's pic of the disco in the trigger bar rear looks mirror polished.  IT may be a CGW disco - OK.  I used some stones to smooth the disco but left the machine marks. 

I was wondering if hitting it with the dremel felt and Flitz would be OK - they only polish. 
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: twowheels on January 20, 2019, 07:40:20 PM


I was wondering if hitting it with the dremel felt and Flitz would be OK - they only polish.


Yes it won't caue an issue if you go easy and polish with a Dremel felt and some polishing compound at low speed for a short period of time.  But, I haven't felt the need to polish a CGW disconnector.  And, if you are in your action you ought to go ahead and install one (along with a cgw adjustable sear) and a CZ comp or CGW hammer of your choice. 
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 13, 2019, 12:47:35 PM
I'm having trouble finding 3M aluminum oxide sandpaper in those grits (400, 800, 1000). Can someone point me to a source?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 13, 2019, 12:49:57 PM

I have also been testing a very high content moly grease that can actually lower the DA pull a few ounces by itself, so I add the moly in these critical areas when I do a final reassembly.


Can you tell us what "moly grease" you use (or something similar)?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: adrian on February 13, 2019, 12:59:54 PM
     Hiya looking Intently, I'd guess a phone call to your local ace,lowes,or home depot should fix your gritty needs without having to shop on amazon.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 13, 2019, 01:02:19 PM
It's really simple, here it is.  It works well on the rear of the trigger bar that contacts the sear trigger pad and the FPB lifter pad.  The top pic is how it looks ready to use, the bottom is how it looks when purchased new.

(https://i.imgur.com/4bWZtbk.jpg)

Does anyone know what number bit this is? I've looked on dremel's site at all the pictures and don't see one like this?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 13, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
     Hiya looking Intently, I'd guess a phone call to your local ace,lowes,or home depot should fix your gritty needs without having to shop on amazon.

I also thought I heard people talking about automotive shops as source. ... I don't mind shopping online. I'm in Indiana and it is 22 degrees out!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Scarlett Pistol on February 13, 2019, 03:27:35 PM

I have also been testing a very high content moly grease that can actually lower the DA pull a few ounces by itself, so I add the moly in these critical areas when I do a final reassembly.


Can you tell us what "moly grease" you use (or something similar)?

Thanks!

CGW makes it now. You can order it on their site. Mix it with oil to thin it if you are needing a more cold weather option.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 13, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
Awesome. Thanks!
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Allsmiles on February 14, 2019, 09:14:15 AM
Cheap and easy source for high grit paper 2000+ is WalMart.  Go to the automotive section where they have the body work supplies and look on the top shelf.  My local store carries supplies up to 5000 grit.  2000 grit is normally about $3.50 a pack and I used a bunch of it on my 75b Omega cleaning up the trigger bar. 
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 14, 2019, 10:54:21 AM
Thanks for the WalMart 'heads up.' ... One thing - looking on Amazon, I saw that the higher grit papers were not aluminum oxide (as Dave said he uses). Is that a big deal?
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: ZanderMan on February 14, 2019, 05:13:40 PM
It's really simple, here it is.  It works well on the rear of the trigger bar that contacts the sear trigger pad and the FPB lifter pad.  The top pic is how it looks ready to use, the bottom is how it looks when purchased new.

(https://i.imgur.com/4bWZtbk.jpg)

Does anyone know what number bit this is? I've looked on dremel's site at all the pictures and don't see one like this?

Thanks!
Not a bit, it’s a mandrel for mounting cut-off discs.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/9f0c95e7322674af9e2207b31a6c539e.jpg)
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: LookingIntently on February 14, 2019, 08:39:11 PM
Thanks!

FYI... The part is the: 402 Rotary Tool Mandrel. The official Dremel one is expensive (~$10). There 10-12 piece knock off sets on Amazon for less than $10. For this application, they should work fine.
Title: Re: Smoothing the Action
Post by: Eargesplitten on February 16, 2019, 08:08:19 PM
Sorry if someone has asked this before and I missed it, am I right in thinking the polishing stuff is either the red or white polishing bar stuff I see in the hardware store? I've heard the white stuff mentioned before as the thing to use on steel, I just want to make sure. I'm about to pick up a punch set so I can finally get my surplus 85 apart and give it a thorough cleaning, I might as well pick up some polishing tools. I've already got up to 1200 grit sandpaper so I'm set there.

Second question: I can't find any tiny buffing wheels, do you buff the whole thing in one go or should I use a q-tip or something in my variable-speed electric screwdriver with the polishing compound for the smaller parts?