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GENERAL => Right to Keep and Bear Arms => Topic started by: Ross7 on August 30, 2013, 06:35:33 PM
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"Playing" the Knock-Out "Game" with a stun gun? He got off lucky only getting butt-shot, IMO.
A 17-year-old Michigan boy was taken by surprise when he stuck a stun gun to his victim?s side with the intent of delivering him an electrifying 1.8-million volts. However, the stun gun malfunctioned, giving the victim an opportune moment to pull out his stainless steel .40-caliber Smith & Wesson, locked and loaded with 10 rounds of heat.
http://www.guns.com/2013/08/29/knockout-game-victim-fights-back-40-cal-perp-says-just-wanna-go-home/
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I agree.
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What county is this again so I know NEVER to go there?
I don't care about the event. Its the results.
Kid tries to taze someone and it didn't work....but they didn't charge him with assault? Because it didn't work?
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He has been charged with illegal possession of the stun gun which will bring him some legal penalty. He's lucky he didn't get his head blown off for his act of 5 star stupidity. Bet he won't play that game again.
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The last paragraph infuriates me, the liberal news media always adds "we are not sure if any charges are going to be filed"
There was a perfect opportunity to take a criminal off the streets wasted! What sick lunatic stuns strangers for fun? Imagine waking up missing teeth and a busted up face, because you went down on a curb for someone's entertainment.
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The last paragraph infuriates me, the liberal news media always adds "we are not sure if any charges are going to be filed"
There was a perfect opportunity to take a criminal off the streets wasted! What sick lunatic stuns strangers for fun? Imagine waking up missing teeth and a busted up face, because you went down on a curb for someone's entertainment.
Did you watch the video? A woman said she chipped her teeth after a man did that to her. Its f"ed up. You have every right for lethal self-defense since they are trying to knock you out and do god knows what to you.
play a stupid game and get a stupid trophy
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Didn't the guy who shot the Aussie jogger in OK say something like he ?knocked out 5 woods since Zimmerman court"? Was that a reference to this so-called game? Calling the crime a game is a poor choice of a label. At a minimum it is battery.
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I just don't get how you can assault someone then try to call it "a game" and act like everything is ok.
Not losing any geniuses when they pay the consequences of assaulting someone who can defend themselves.
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Given the video linked to in the initial post, and assuming a jurisdiction in which carry is not prohibited, how does one defend himself from such an attack? One can't justifiable draw on anyone running up behind you. If that were allowed, I would have potentially taken out two joggers and one bicyclist the last time I took a walk.
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Given the video linked to in the initial post, and assuming a jurisdiction in which carry is not prohibited, how does one defend himself from such an attack? One can't justifiable draw on anyone running up behind you. If that were allowed, I would have potentially taken out two joggers and one bicyclist the last time I took a walk.
Good point. It would be very difficult to react to this appropriately. But I guess that's the point of the "game"
The only thing you can really do is be vigilant, give people coming up behind you plenty of room to pass you by, and hope for the best.
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It's not much of a stretch to imagine going from knocking people out for fun to pushing them off station platforms in front of moving trains.
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It's not much of a stretch to imagine going from knocking people out for fun to pushing them off station platforms in front of moving trains.
Sadly, I've seen this on the news before.
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It's not much of a stretch to imagine going from knocking people out for fun to pushing them off station platforms in front of moving trains.
Two people were pushed in front of a subway train in Dec. 2012. One on the 5th and the second on the 28th.
New York subways are becoming the deadliest form of transportation according to one news article.
Joe
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Given the video linked to in the initial post, and assuming a jurisdiction in which carry is not prohibited, how does one defend himself from such an attack? One can't justifiable draw on anyone running up behind you. If that were allowed, I would have potentially taken out two joggers and one bicyclist the last time I took a walk.
Good point. It would be very difficult to react to this appropriately. But I guess that's the point of the "game"
The only thing you can really do is be vigilant, give people coming up behind you plenty of room to pass you by, and hope for the best.
Sad to think we can't trust our fellow man in public but, well we can't. When out and about keep your eyes in back of your head open at all times. Situational awareness is the key.
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Was Trayvon playing the "game"? Seems like a fairly well organized intifada.
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WND EXCLUSIVE
INTENDED KNOCKOUT GAME VICTIM SHOOTS BACK
Smith and Wesson trumps faulty stun gun
Published: 5 days ago
The newspaper in Lansing, Mich., came so close to getting it right: An intended victim of the Knockout Game pulled a gun and shot at his attacker. So far so good.
This version of the game had a twist: Instead of punching the victim in the face, the predator used a taser ? a KL-800 Type Stun Gun capable of generating 1.8 million volts.
The assailants had scouted the site, the victim and even practiced firing the taser. But then it all went wrong. Or right.
When Marvell Weaver jammed the taser into the ribs of the still unidentified man and pulled the trigger, it jammed. The target pulled out his .40 caliber Smith and Wesson and shot Weaver as he tried to escape to the getaway van where two of his accomplices waited.
According to MLive.com:
?Weaver ran, sat down across the street, his leg going numb, bleeding. Pleading.
??I?m sorry, please don?t kill me, I don?t know why I did that, I?m high you know, I just wanna go home,?? the teen told the man who had just shot him.
He lived. This happened in May, while the intended victim was picking up his child at a school bus stop. The story came out this week.
According to MLive:
?The teen was hospitalized with a non-life threatening injury. At first, Weaver said he merely removed the stun gun from his pocket to look at it and the man shot him. He later confessed to the attack, records show.?
Mlive.com took pains to put the attack in context, citing this statistic and that trend, but in the end, it pronounced the crime ?random.?
That caught the attention of MLive.com readers and others throughout the country familiar with the Knockout Game as it is played hundreds of times in St. Louis, Champaign, Chicago and dozens of other cities around the country. Said a reader:
"The ?game? is not random. It is a very racially charged ?game? with very strong criteria for ?target? selection.
There are many, many reasons for ?target? selection beyond ?than they are there.? There is the inherent hatred of the participants along with their boredom and restlessness, accompanied by a ?they got and I don?t, so what does it matter if I hurt them? mentality."
In St. Louis alone, a judge said one person was responsible for 300 episodes of the Knockout Game. In Oklahoma, an accused killer of the Australian college student Chris Lane tweeted that he was ?playing golf? and hitting ?woods? prior to the murder earlier this month. Woods is short for ?peckerwoods:? White people. The Knockout Game.
He said he did that five times since the acquittal of George Zimmerman for the death of Trayvon Martin.
The Knockout Game is documented in ?White Girl Bleed a Lot: The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it.? Many of the examples are on video, which readers of the new edition can see by scanning a QR code as they read about it in the book.
In St. Cloud, Minn., a car full of black people came upon a college student in an alley walking two girls home from the library. The car screeched to a stop, one man got out, and hit 20-year old Colton Gleason in the face. He died.
This week, Jesse Smithers told the court the attack was in self defense: Gleason and the two girls attacked his car.
In Chicago, two black people played the Knockout Game with a father of 11. He died last year.
In St. Louis last year, the mayor came upon the remnants of a Knockout Game when he found a badly beaten and bloody Matthew Quan in the gutter. Knocked Out. As he stopped his car, the black people sauntered away, laughing.
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One of the assailants was arrested but the charges were dropped after a witness disappeared. The mayor said she was threatened.
The accused assailant died earlier this year when he was shot while breaking into someone?s house. He was 15. His grandfather said he was a good boy and this was another case similar to Trayvon Martin: a black person shot for no reason whatsoever.
In St. Louis earlier this year, a black person was sentenced to life for the Knockout Game death of a 72-year old Vietnamese immigrant.
In Alabama earlier this year, four members of the national championship football team were kicked out of school after three admitted to playing the Knockout Game two times on campus.
In Syracuse, a man died this year after a black mob kicked his eye out playing the Knockout Game. This prompted a commentary from another resident of that city talking about his son?s experience as a victim of the Knockout Game.
In Pittsburgh last year, several black people were caught on video punching a teacher in the face as they passed each other in an alley. That happened twice: Earlier that year, another teacher was almost killed as he slipped and fell in traffic while fleeing the Knockout Game, on video.
Last year in Meriden, Conn., DeAndre Felton and his friend thought they found an easy mark for a bit of the old Knockout Game. They chose the wrong guy: He pulled a knife and killed DeAndre and wounded the other attacker. The attackers? parents said their children were innocent, just like Trayvon.
The list goes on and on. Mlive.com says this kind of evidence is ?anecdotal.?
But anyone looking at the hundreds and hundreds of anecdotes knows this: The victims can be white. Or Asian. Or women. Or homosexual. But this much they have in common: All of attackers in the Knockout Game are black.
But MLive.com wanted no part of that uncomfortable truth. Neither did some of its readers. ?Please don?t tell me you?re bring[ing] the race card into play,? said one. Other said that perhaps Weaver could have taken the victim?s gun and done even more damage.
Whatever the merits of ignoring the intensity and frequency and racial angle of this crime, some gun owners were happy with the story nevertheless.
?MLive is great on firearms issues and crime coverage,? said Barry Shickinger. ?And as a disclosure, I?m the executive director of the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners ?Michigan?s largest state-based gun group and ally with the National Rifle Association.?
While the people of Lansing try to sort out the best way to protect themselves, the prosecutor is trying to figure out how to charge Weaver.
Weaver?s two accomplices ? the ones who drove him and helped him scout the victim and watched the attack ? were not charged. And some in Lansing worry Weaver may get off easy as well.
Because the intended victim was not harmed, and there was ?no evidence? Weaver wanted to rob him, prosecutors will not charge him with robbery or aggravated assault. A plea bargain conference is set for next month.
Weaver is sorry, he told the victim in a letter:
?I don?t blame you for what you did. You were only trying to protect yourself. I only wish I could go back to change it to were (sic) I never did it. .. Im very sorry.?
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The mainstream media has done a good job suppressing the "game."
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July 14, 2011
The Knockout Game: Racial Violence and the Conspicuous Silence of the Media
American Thinker
By John T. Bennett
By now, almost everyone has seen one of the semi-amusing videos of black teen mobs rampaging through a store. Maybe we've even seen the non-amusing pictures of the victims,or heard their stories. Most Americans have heard of recent violent "flash mobs," which are the bands of black teens that attack mostly white victims and white businesses, as even the New York Times once noted.
But the flash mobs, which are more accurately called "race riots" or "racial mob violence," are not the only interesting topic to cover in our national conversation about race. There is also the "knockout game," which is stunning in its brutal simplicity and stark racial significance.
The knockout game involves "unprovoked attacks on innocent bystanders," according to police who have had to deal with it. A retired officer explained, "Normally it was a group of black males, one of which would strike him as hard as he could in the face, attempting to knock him out with one punch," says retired Sgt. Don Pizzo. The victims are typically not robbed,but simply punched with no provocation. Such attacks have been reported in Illinois, Massachusetts, Missouri, and New Jersey.
The knockout game has claimed at least one life so far. In St. Louis this year, 72-year old Hoang Nguyen was walking with his wife, Yen, when four "young people" attacked. The attacker pushed the old man's face to the side to make a "clear target for his fist," recalled his wife. Nguyen was punched so hard that he fell to the ground and struck his head. Then the attacker turned on Nguyen's 59-year-old wife, punching her so hard that she suffered a broken eye socket. She could only watch as her husband was then kicked repeatedly. Hoang succumbed to his injuries later that day. A young black male,18-year-old Elex Murphy, is charged with first-degree murder.
In addition, a mob of young black males can be seen playing the game here. The video shows the group attacking a young white man named Adam Taylor, who was left with internal bleeding,bruising of the brain, severe whiplash, and scratches on his face when he was beaten in Columbia, MO in 2009.
Sgt. Pizzo noted that the attacks fit a pattern: "black attackers on a white victim -- and the victim was often an older person walking alone." In a thorough and sensible piece on the subject in a local arts and entertainment magazine, eight of the victims interviewed were white, one was black, and one was Latino. All of the attackers, or "players," were black. Some witnesses claim that they have white relatives who play the game and that therefore the game is not a racial issue. But anyone who reviews the reporting -- when race is revealed, at least -- will see that the attackers are predominantly if not exclusively black.
As one player of the game says,"[w]e used to walk to where a lot of people be at and hit 'em. If one of the homeboys didn't knock him out, then the other would come. Whoever knock him out would be king."
Local media outlets have failed to report on the racial aspect of the attacks. At best, the media will allow the race of attackers to be revealed by mugshots, or quotations from police or victims. This follows a conscious policy of self-censorship that has been openly admitted by major newspapers.
A New York Times editor says that his paper will report on race "only if it's relevant to the story" or if readers would "learn something" from the description. The Chicago Tribune's editor, Gerould Kern, explains his paper's "approach" to concealing the truth: "We do not reference race unless it is a fact that is central to telling the story." Of course, no guilt-ridden white liberal editor will ever admit that race is relevant, unless of course a white is attacking minorities. The Los Angeles Times explains that the media will not report race because they don't want to "unfairly stigmatize racial groups." The Washington Post ombudsman openly admits that the Times's staff "worried about hyping a story that involved race" when blacks brawled on the Metro. Instead of stigmatizing racial groups, the liberal media prefers to condemn minorities via low expectations and preferential, secretive reporting -- which only creates a cloud of ominous suspicion over the race issue. But at least racial groups aren't being stigmatized.
A senior reporter from the Houston Chronicle admits, "We don't ever include race normally -- unless race is made an issue by other people." In other words, if racial interest groups make something of the issue, race will become part of the story. And we all know which racial groups advocate on their own behalf, and which one doesn't.
The liberal media policy of resolute silence about race and crime may strike a reasonable observer as troubling, given the violence and obvious racial aspect of the knockout game and flash mob attacks. The net effect of this Orwellian reporting is to place minority feelings above the public interest in safety. For those of us who are curious about our society and group behavior, who should be able to rely on the professional media, the reporting is worthless.
When the liberal media does touch on the topic of race and flash mobs, it is only to condemn conservative blogs for mentioning race at all. The Village Voice, for instance, thoughtlessly dismisses the concerns about racial mob violence, reasoning that because crime is falling, racial mob violence shouldn't be criticized. The progressive tendency will be to define these stories as isolated incidents -- it is easy extrapolate a social problem, but that could be misleading in the big picture.
But the knockout game must be seen in the context of black-on-white violence in America. The big picture is that black-on-white violence is a social problem that deserves more attention, regardless of whether the overall crime rate is rising or falling. Department of Justice statistics show that 33% of white murder victims are killed by a non-white, while only 8% of black murder victims are killed by a non-black 1 . Even greater disparities exist in violent crime and robbery 2 .
Some of those who work with these kids blame boredom and the kids' need to prove their toughness. Those causes will be present for a long time, thus the problem will remain. Moreover, the problem will predictably get worse, as some of the mobs are armed.
Hoang Nguyen will not receive the same attention as Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. After all, Hoang was not the victim of white hatred, so he is not a household name...but he should be.
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The "game" can be deadly.
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Associated Press
SYRACUSE, N.Y. ? Knockout -- the game a group of teenagers in Syracuse allegedly played that resulted in the violent, random death of a 51-year-old man -- has been a national phenomenon for at least a decade.
Reports of the game have surfaced in states, such as Massachusetts, New Jersey and Illinois. In Missouri, a special police squad and prosecutor were assigned to battle the problem. The game there has been characterized in news reports as "almost contagious," with endings that mirror the incident in Syracuse on May 23.
That night, a group of teenagers attempting to knock Michael Daniels out with a single punch wound up beating and stomping him to death, according to police. A 15-year-old and a 13-year-old have been arrested and charged with first-degree manslaughter, and Syracuse Police Chief Frank Fowler said more arrests may come.
The 15-year-old will be prosecuted in criminal court. The 13-year-old will be dealt with during closed proceedings in Onondaga County Family Court. The Associated Press is withholding the names of the accused because they are juveniles.
Fowler said his department was currently investigating at least four other instances of people being attacked in a similar manner.
While this appears to be the first "knockout game" killing in Syracuse, other reports of the "knockout game" phenomenon detail much of the same: The perpetrators are usually teens, the attacks are random, and the goal is to knock a victim unconscious with a single punch.
If one player doesn't succeed in knocking out the victim, others join in to finish the job.
An editorial in the St. Louis paper in 2011 likened the game to behavior described in "A Clockwork Orange."
In 1992, police in Cambridge, Mass., said three drunken teenagers decided to play "knockout" and randomly targeted an MIT student, according to news reports. After the student was knocked to the ground, a 16-year-old stabbed the victim to death as he tried to get up.
The defendant in that case, Shon McHugh, was sentenced as a juvenile to 20 years in prison.
In another recent case involving the "knockout game," 20-year-old Elex Murphy was sentenced to 55 years in prison for the killing of a 72-year-old man in St. Louis.
At a May 3 sentencing, Murphy's lawyer asked a judge to consider that the "knockout game" had been played for years by countless teens before the deadly instance involving Murphy's victim, according to an article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Another article from the St. Louis paper noted that at least half a dozen people in the city had been randomly targeted and injured by players of the game. There, the mayor happened upon a victim of the "knockout game" and called for juveniles to be tried as adults. A special police squad was assigned to investigate the crimes and a prosecutor was designated to handle the cases. The St. Louis police chief was quoted calling the crimes a "trend of sub-human behavior."
In Syracuse, Mayor Stephanie Miner echoed the sentiment. At the news conference Thursday, she said recent violence in the city had been generated by a "lack of humanity as we understand it."
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I understand the statistics of black males being the major culprits, but I promise you I've seen my fare share of white men doing this in my area. Worse still, my former professor's son was knocked out, then thrown into a campfire while is was burning. He rolled down the hill and laid in a creek for a day and a half then crawled to the road and waited for help. It still disturbs me to this day.
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And your point is ? ?
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And your point is ? ?
I'd say the point is you can't talk about the statistics of black males involved in the game or other crime in general unless you qualify it with the white guys do it too statement. This is a form of white guilt.
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my point is its not a black-only crime, every idiot is doing it
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Skookum,
I got the point of Yer's post, it was short and succinct: Blacks do not have exclusive rights to games involving random acts of violence.
However, after reading some of your own long and rambling cut-and-paste posts, I am still left wondering what exactly is your point?
You question if Trayvon Martin was playing the game, and then hit us with nearly a page of nothing linking him to it? Then you post more secondary cut-and-paste accounts about incidents of violence, some of which are unclear about the races of the perpetrators and the victims, and go on to suggest the media is covering it up? Without posting links to the original stories, it's impossible to know that.
Are you insecure and paranoid that there is a "well organized intifada" among blacks to beat up on whites and other non-black races?
What exactly, are blacks rising up against and resisting? After all, that is the Arabic meaning of intifada; and it is most commonly used to refer to the Palestinian uprising against the Israelis. How is it organized, other than being the latest trend to be boasted about and posted on social media after the fact?
By the way, 'hitting woods' sounds a lot like a twist on a more vulgarly named pastime some whites used to boast about that I'm old enough to remember with disgust. The knock out game is still sickening no matter what color the players are, but it's nothing new.
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Skookum,
I got the point of Yer's post, it was short and succinct: Blacks do not have exclusive rights to games involving random acts of violence.
Always nice to hear the modern liberal-progressive viewpoint from you, bob.
Yer claimed "every idiot" is playing the knockout game. That statement is untrue if there is at least one idiot not playing? Are you a player? By the way, no one here has asserted that only blacks are violent, except Yer and you. Nice Obana-esque straw man argument.
However, after reading some of your own long and rambling cut-and-paste posts, I am still left wondering what exactly is your point?
I believe I made my points much more clear than yer made whatever his was:
- Was Trayvon perhaps playing the game? (What other reason would he have had to sucker pun?h George?)
- The media has suppressed the details of the game. (Interestingly, Fox News, last night I think, mentioned the phenomenon without calling it the "knockout game.")
- The game can be fatal.
You question if Trayvon Martin was playing the game, and then hit us with nearly a page of nothing linking him to it?
That's right. The question is mine. The article describes the game and the predominant players and their racist motive. In open court the only party in the Martin-Zimmerman confrontation who expressed racist intent was Martin. I think my question is valid. Valid enough that you are unwilling to answer it.
Then you post more secondary cut-and-paste accounts about incidents of violence, some of which are unclear about the races of the perpetrators and the victims, and go on to suggest the media is covering it up? Without posting links to the original stories, it's impossible to know that.
I provided the articles in full, with sufficient information for you to find them for yourself. I am not responsible for others being too stupid or lazy to use an internet search tool.
Are you insecure and paranoid that there is a "well organized intifada" among blacks to beat up on whites and other non-black races?
Not at all. I am realistic, though. Are you? Or, do you suggest we all stick our heads in the sand like good liberals?
What exactly, are blacks rising up against and resisting? After all, that is the Arabic meaning of intifada; and it is most commonly used to refer to the Palestinian uprising against the Israelis. How is it organized, other than being the latest trend to be boasted about and posted on social media after the fact?
How should I know the motives of the game players? Racism seems to be indicated ? resistance? If participants are keeping score, that implies organization, does it not?
By the way, 'hitting woods' sounds a lot like a twist on a more vulgarly named pastime some whites used to boast about that I'm old enough to remember with disgust. The knock out game is still sickening no matter what color the players are, but it's nothing new.
I've heard that "hitting 'woods" means hitting peckerwoods, which is supposed to be a derogatory reference to whites. I've never heard the expression before, so I wouldn't know otherwise.
I agree the knockout game is disgusting regardless of race of the perpetrator or victim. But, it appears that the races of perps and victims are not what one would expect if they were random. Does this fact bother you?
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This thread is over. I will not tolerate this kind of thing on this board.