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Title: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on March 22, 2014, 06:11:56 AM
Anyone know or know where I can find the number of Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US?  Curious about Century's production #s, CzechPoint's, and Parts Kit quantity and eventual scarcity. 

Wikipedia says there were about 920,000 produced, but curious about how many have made their way to the US as complete guns and/or parts kits.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on March 31, 2014, 02:37:00 AM
BTT.  Bueller?  Bueller?  Bueller?  Bueller?

http://youtu.be/KS6f1MKpLGM?t=16s

Thanks!
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on April 06, 2014, 06:04:42 AM
Really curious about these numbers.  Looking into doing some group buys and might splurge to qualify for lower rates and resell the rest if I know there's a market for them.   Based upon the limited response/interest on the Ambi Mag Releases, I'm questioning buying anything in 100 quantities which is the volume needed for best rates.

God forbid.  The wife: You spent how many dollars on gun parts that no one wants!?

In particular, I'm considering a tactical bolt release and bipod group buy.   But will be posting re: that in a month or so.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: phlydude on April 06, 2014, 06:18:14 PM
The century rifles are built using a US made receiver and a US made barrel. Any of the VZ2008s shouldn't be included in the counts as the parts that come from overseas are likely spares


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Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on April 06, 2014, 10:51:49 PM
My understanding is opposite -- Century using demilled parts kits and CSA using NOS parts from armorer repair kits and/or newly manufactured parts for their builds. 

Just wondering if anyone knew Czechpoint/Dtechnic production numbers and/or Century?

Thansk!
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: phlydude on April 07, 2014, 10:04:49 PM
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CVZ2008&name=Czech+VZ58+(Century+Arms+Mod+VZ2008)+7.62x39+Rifle&search=Vz2008

Century International Arms VZ2008 7.62x39 caliber semi-automatic Rifles. Originally issued to the Czech army in 1958, the VZ58 is still in use by both the Czech and Slovak armies, their police and customs agents. Though similar to the other rifles of this style in appearance, the VZ58 uses a completely different bolt and fire control system. Even with a machined receiver, the VZ2008 is lighter than most similarly styled firearms with a sheet metal receiver. Features a U.S. made receiver machined out of a bar of premium steel and a quality U.S. made barrel. All metal parts are bead blasted and coated with a non reflective finish. Includes 5-30rd magazines, Magazine Pouch, Bayonet & Scabbard and Sling. Leather mag pouch, mags and accessories will vary in color and condition!


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Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on June 26, 2014, 11:20:49 PM
BTT. 

Anyone know Century's production numbers?  To help us guesstimate maybe we can share our serial numbers -- ballpark, not exact -- to crowdsource estimates?

I emailed their corporate and all I got was a: "We only have a few thousand left to sell" answer.  Not sure why it's apparently some sort of trade secret...

I know of at least 3 separate iterations of Century.  The first gen and earliest had the Czech spec receivers with narrow rails (if I had to guess, I'd say it was an ORF receiver).  The second I'm aware of are the B&R Machine market receivers.  And the third gen are the most recent ones.

(x=a number I'm not listing, but serial # examples if I have them).

Palmetto State Armory showed 2700 in stock yesterday... Not sure of inventories elsewhere. 

Here are the highest #s I have:
1st -- I don't have one so don't know the serial # convention or have any quantity insight.
2nd -- B&R marked, "VZ08-002xxBR" serial number, a number in the high 200s
3rd -- Just Century marked, "VZ08PM-0028xx" serial number, a number in the high 2800s.

Curious if we can crowdsource the answer.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: bugboy on June 27, 2014, 12:07:03 AM
Mine is a VZ08-003xxBR
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: TJNewton on June 27, 2014, 02:28:12 AM
Mine are VZ08PM-0086xx and 0092xx.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: 87CZ75 on June 27, 2014, 03:53:03 AM
I think both mine and my fathers we just got from AIM Surplus are in the 0069XX range, so lower than TJNewton's.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: yellowdatsun on June 27, 2014, 09:20:51 AM
Mine VZ08 is 8504, picked up 3 weeks ago.

Speaking of rarity, I had my first instance yesterday where the guy at Sportsmans didn't have a clue what a VZ58 is. When I mentioned the rifle, he just had a deer-in-headlights look, where you could tell he obviously didn't know what I was talking about. When he asked another employee for ideas on the optics I was looking at, he just said "it's a project he's working on". Ha!
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on June 27, 2014, 11:49:35 AM
Thanks all!  Please keep them coming.

My rough guess is about 20k of these were made total by Century, with 10-15k currently being in owners hands.  As far as how many Czechpoint is selling and has sold, I have no idea. 

For comparison, Canada only had "9,394 CZ-858s" in country at time of the ban: http://www.cztalk.com/The-Canadian-Government-coming-for-CZ858-rifles.html
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Radom on June 29, 2014, 01:26:29 AM
This isn't very helpful, but I may be able to get the number of Dtechnic rifles imported by CZ-USA.  I'll send an email when I log off from here. 
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Sheepdog on June 29, 2014, 04:02:26 AM
I'm guessing zero from CZ-USA. Dan Brown over at Czechpoint told me that ALL the D-Technik/CSA guns were imported by Czechpoint.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: armoredman on June 29, 2014, 03:26:20 PM
I would hazard a guess the companies are not likely to give you exact numbers as a company security measure. The only place that would have exact numbers imported of actual rifles, (DTechnik/CSA) would be the US State Dept. As for the Century rebuilds, AFTE might know, they might not - I have never been a firearms manufacturer for profit, so I don't know exactly what requirements there are. I would think the reporting only comes at point of sale, and that's only on bound book as the Brady check only says "long gun/Handgun", IIRC.

You would also have to look at home builds on both Century receivers and OGW receivers, plus OGW complete rifles sold back in the day.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: armoredman on June 29, 2014, 03:27:33 PM
I'm guessing zero from CZ-USA. Dan Brown over at Czechpoint told me that ALL the D-Technik/CSA guns were imported by Czechpoint.

Yes, the two years that CZ-USA sold the SA vz-58, (like mine), they were purchased from CzechpointUSA. My BOX was marked CZ-USA but the rifle is marked D-Technik.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: cz671 on June 29, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
This isn't very helpful, but I may be able to get the number of Dtechnic rifles imported by CZ-USA.  I'll send an email when I log off from here.

CZ USA never imported their vz58s, they pretty much got them from czechpoint.  And if memory serves me right waffenwerks were bringin them in for czechpoint at one time back in the day
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on June 29, 2014, 09:32:56 PM
Yes, ORF receivers and CNC Warrior receivers should also be taken into account...

Forgot about Ohio Ordinance Works VZ2000s. 

Add them to the mix. 

Looks like Max #s we have for century are:
-First Gen, unknown
-2nd Gen, VZ08-003xxBR
-3rd Gen, VZ08PM-0092xx

Thanks all much appreciated.  Keep the info coming!

For the US State Dept, the only #s I can find are imports by country of origin and as we all know, CZ USA's hunting rifles and pistols, will completely swamp the # of VZ58s imported.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: TJNewton on June 30, 2014, 02:36:45 AM
Just checked Palmetto and they keep getting more in stock.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Radom on June 30, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
I'm guessing zero from CZ-USA. Dan Brown over at Czechpoint told me that ALL the D-Technik/CSA guns were imported by Czechpoint.

Yes, the two years that CZ-USA sold the SA vz-58, (like mine), they were purchased from CzechpointUSA. My BOX was marked CZ-USA but hr file is marked D-Technik.

Mine also.  It was distributed by CZ-USA, which is how I was got mine so quickly.  Looking at the paperwork and markings, it is a D-Technik. 

Still no response on my email, FWIW.     
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on July 02, 2014, 11:12:37 AM

Mine was from Classic Firearms
3rd Gen. VZ08PM - 0090xx

They have them in stock right now for $479.99
http://www.classicfirearms.com/vz2008czechriflesemiautowmagsetc

Wonder if any of the 2nd Gen. VZ08 will show up?
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: predecessor on July 02, 2014, 12:17:33 PM
CZ USA never imported their vz58s, they pretty much got them from czechpoint.  And if memory serves me right waffenwerks were bringin them in for czechpoint at one time back in the day

Both of my D-Technik VZ58's are Waffen Werks import marked.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: CitizenPete on July 02, 2014, 01:38:31 PM
Data point:

OOW (Ohio Ordnance Works) had a total of 500 receivers manufactured.  They were utilized internally to manufacture their MDL VZ2000 and some were sold for kits.

The remaining OOW pre 1986 Gun Ban parts kits are being sold ($275 includes original Czech chrome lined barrel with the bayo lug). There are only 4-5 remaining Beaver Barf (impregnated polymer) VZ2000 semi-auto rifles packages left for sale at $1025 (comes with the additional folder stock included).  OOW have no plans to manufacture anymore of these high quality rifles. :(


OOW = 500


Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 11, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
BTT.  Please keep contributing.

FWIW, here are the #s so far:

OOW: 500

Dtechnic/CZUSA: Unknown

Ohio Rapid Fire: Unknown

CNC Warrior: Unknown, but usually they do receiver runs in relatively small quantities.

Century:
-First Gen, unknown
-2nd Gen, VZ08-003xxBR (~300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
-3rd Gen, VZ08PM-0092xx (~9200 highest serial number shared in this thread)

Custom Builds/Parts Kits: Unknown

I'd fathom a guess that with certainty 20k built and functioning VZ58/variants are currently in the US.  Possibly 30k.  Can't imagine any more than 50k however...  There are ~250 million adult Americans.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: nickndfl on September 12, 2014, 05:22:28 PM
(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee399/nickndfl/2d670464-fca2-4400-8ea6-2503f8058f0a.jpg)

Just picked up from FFL an hour ago.

VZ08PM-0057XX

VZ08PM-0076XX


The trigger in the 57XX sounds hollow or springy while the one in the 76XX sounds crisp and tight.  Guns look real nice with one small scratch on one hand guard, but otherwise an outstanding value and investment. Will need to get to the range to test the triggers.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: gwvt on September 12, 2014, 06:26:43 PM
My VZ2008 ordered from PSA is VZ08PM-0095xx
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 12, 2014, 07:49:07 PM
gwvt - new high for the third gen

nick - you should email century about that mold mag pouch...  I'm sure they'll ship you a new, possibly throwing in mags...
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: cchiang1 on September 13, 2014, 02:00:49 AM
My first gen. VZ 2008 is number VZ0011XX.  I think Century told me it was shipped to the dealer / distributor in February 2011, but I'm not 100% sure.

Cary
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 13, 2014, 03:44:47 AM
Thanks cchiang1!

Latest intel:

OOW: 500

Dtechnic/CZUSA: Unknown

Ohio Rapid Fire: Unknown

CNC Warrior: Unknown, but usually they do receiver runs in relatively small quantities.  Guesstimate <500.

Century:
-First Gen, VZ0011XX (~1100 highest serial number in this thread)
-2nd Gen, VZ08-003xxBR (~300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
-3rd Gen, VZ08PM-0095xx (~9500 highest serial number shared in this thread)

Custom Builds/Parts Kits: Unknown
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: muggia59 on September 13, 2014, 06:33:43 AM
Just to add to your list, Centerfire just sent me an email with VZ2008 for sale at 499$. Like Classicfirearms (who lowered their price that for a little time had been raised to 517 I think), 499$ is still a pretty good deal. Still couldn't beat the 399$ though.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Howlin Mad on September 14, 2014, 04:32:55 PM
My first generation Century VZ2008 Sporter with fixed stock bought sometime mid 2012 is S/N VZ052XX.  Yes, that is not a typo, that's how many digits it has.  It is engraved on left side just below the rear sight.

My third generation Century Sporter VZ2008 with folding stock bought earlier this year is S/N VZ08PM-0018XX and is dot-punch engraved left side down by the magazine well.

ETA:

Recently purchased Czechpoint SA vz.58 Sporter .223 Rem Pistol S/N 56003XXCA.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: BA Glover on September 19, 2014, 05:50:16 PM
Just got my second from Palmetto State Armory

It's a 3rd gen

VZ08PM-0098xx


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Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Trypcil on September 20, 2014, 08:39:47 AM
I have - vzo8pm - 01089x from PSA - I was wondering as to what or who the 'PM' signified? Perfected manufacture - mmmm!? :-)
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: GWL on September 20, 2014, 03:26:17 PM
My first from PSA was VZ08PM- 0092xx and the second 2.5 months later was VZ08PM-0058xx
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on September 20, 2014, 09:53:31 PM
OOW: 500

Dtechnic/CZ USA: Unknown

Ohio Rapid Fire: Unknown

CNC Warrior: Unknown, but usually they do receiver runs in relatively small quantities.  Guesstimate <500.

Century:
1st Gen, VZ0011XX (~1,100 Lowest serial number in this thread)
1st Gen, VZ052XX (~5,200 highest serial number in this thread)
====================================================
2nd Gen, VZ08 - 003xxBR (~300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================
3rd Gen, VZ08pm - 0014x (~100 Lowest serial number shared in this thread)
3rd Gen, VZ08PM - 01089x (~10,800 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================

Custom Builds/Parts Kits: Unknown
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 20, 2014, 10:37:18 PM
JDA -- Do you have that nearly 11k serial #?
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Brasky on September 21, 2014, 02:01:00 PM
I have 3rd gen serial vz08pm-0014x
Purchased from Aim
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on September 22, 2014, 12:40:12 AM
JDA -- Do you have that nearly 11k serial #?

No, that would be Trypcil

Quote
I have - vzo8pm - 01089x from PSA
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on September 22, 2014, 12:44:35 AM
I have - vzo8pm - 01089x from PSA - I was wondering as to what or who the 'PM' signified? Perfected manufacture - mmmm!? :-)

You sure you got that number right?  :)
You're the only person I've seen over the 10,000 mark.

Oh and the "PM" stand for Paramilitary.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: losingle on September 22, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
Traded for mine, not sure of dealer. serial no. VZ08PM-0037xx.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: TJNewton on September 23, 2014, 01:51:43 AM
My first is VZ08PM-0085xx, my second VZ08PM-0091xx, and just got my third which is VZ08PM-010,8xx.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: GWL on September 24, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
PSA has more in stock as of this morning
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Trypcil on September 24, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Yep - its correct! Had me going for a moment! ;) - ParaMilitary - thanks! I am sure there must be VZ's with higher numbers, I received mine, what july last!
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: newcastleadam on October 01, 2014, 09:55:04 AM
Good morning all!

New member here with a VZ2008 on the way.  Been perusing the threads, and now that I've pulled the trigger it's time to start getting involved with this great community  :)

This thread has been interesting, it reminds me of the older Mosin Nagant S/N threads that proved invaluable with determining Spanish Civil War and other variant data points.

If I may make a suggestion, it would be great for the OP to edit the first posting with the serial number data, or perhaps make a separate thread just aimed at the serial number data.  This would make it easier for members to view etc. etc.

Best,
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: nickndfl on October 10, 2014, 01:23:10 PM
Just received in October 2014 serial 13,XXX.  Nicest yet with the best trigger.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on October 10, 2014, 04:48:26 PM
Just received in October 2014 serial 13,XXX.  Nicest yet with the best trigger.

I saw your video. That was a sweet deal.  Better then the one I got from Classic.
But they didn't have anything to do with that. Luck of the draw I guess?
Funny how some have new cleaning kits,  new mag pouches and some don't.
Some have the early trigger guard and Front sight block.


Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: nickndfl on October 10, 2014, 09:16:07 PM
The trigger on this one is very crisp compared to my others.  My buddy ordered one from PSA and should be here next week.  I am going to show him how to clean it and will test drive it.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: cchiang1 on October 11, 2014, 02:06:54 AM
JDA70:
I know there are two styles of trigger guards and front sight guards (bases?).  Could you please describe which ones are considered "early" versus "late"?  And does anyone know why the changes were made or what deficiences the later style parts were supposed to correct?

Cary
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on October 11, 2014, 04:43:12 PM
JDA70:
I know there are two styles of trigger guards and front sight guards (bases?).  Could you please describe which ones are considered "early" versus "late"?  And does anyone know why the changes were made or what deficiencies the later style parts were supposed to correct?

Cary

There are no deficiencies.

The first type of trigger guard is just a thinner single piece
with no second bridge of metal blocking the magazine release.
According the the Czechs that was an improvement because you
couldn't accidentally hit the magazine release and drop a magazine
with the newly designed trigger guard.

The Front sight hoop is close with a hole in the center
just like on the SKS.

Some of them are opened and look like an AK front sight.
Why? I don't know.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: TJNewton on October 11, 2014, 11:39:11 PM
I just spent a few minutes going through my histories at a few sites to find a thread that goes into detail regarding the differences between VZ58's over the years (front sight, sling swivel, trigger guard, etc), as well as which were early and late editions.  It's very informative.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find the link, but it is out there and maybe someone else has it or has better Google-fu than myself.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on October 11, 2014, 11:49:41 PM
See here: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=63116.msg420450#msg420450

The main things for me as must haves are the protected mag release -- I like over unprotected first gen -- and the eared, not hooded, front iron.  I find that the round/hooded sight tries to center the eye in the middle of that circle, and that's about only 2/3rds the way up the front sight post after sighted in... 

There was some add'l lightening done on later editions as well as what appear to be changes to allow for faster, more automated, manufacturing of parts.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: muggia59 on October 12, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
Thanks for sharing. Interesting.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: JDA70 on October 12, 2014, 10:53:36 PM


Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: TJNewton on October 18, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
I found the thread I mentioned.  Some of it is a repeat, but it does have additional info:

http://www.theakforum.net/forums/66-czechoslovakian/136462-vz-58-part-variations-reference.html
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on December 10, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
BTT.  Perhaps some folks have additions to below.

OOW: 500

Dtechnic/CZ USA: Unknown

Ohio Rapid Fire: Unknown

CNC Warrior: Unknown, but usually they do receiver runs in relatively small quantities.  Guesstimate <500.

Century:
1st Gen, VZ0011XX (~1,100 Lowest serial number in this thread)
1st Gen, VZ052XX (~5,200 highest serial number in this thread)
====================================================
2nd Gen, VZ08 - 003xxBR (~300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================
3rd Gen, VZ08pm - 0014x (~100 Lowest serial number shared in this thread)
3rd Gen, VZ08PM - 01089x (~10,800 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================

Custom Builds/Parts Kits: Unknown
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on January 21, 2015, 04:00:07 AM
From Century this month:

Quote
Since we have started producing them it is 10K + but we do not have a exact number right now.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Enthusiasm on January 21, 2015, 07:12:05 AM
12,000 rifles is really not that many rifles
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on January 21, 2015, 03:48:36 PM
12,000 rifles is really not that many rifles

Yes, but it's probably doubling the number of VZ58s/variants in country already in just one year...  That's something.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: DanielBoone on January 27, 2015, 01:53:35 AM
2012 post on this site by Czechpoint:

For the record, we've sold over 5,600 rifles.   Our actual warranty repairs total 0.023%.   
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on January 27, 2015, 03:19:40 AM
2012 post on this site by Czechpoint:

For the record, we've sold over 5,600 rifles.   Our actual warranty repairs total 0.023%.   

Great find.  Can you provide the link?
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: DanielBoone on January 27, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
Reply number 19

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49783.msg300001#msg300001
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on January 27, 2015, 05:50:51 AM
Thanks DB.

Quote
You are absolutely correct in all aspects.   5,600 rifles in 4 years is a very small number in the firearms business here in the USA.   When you compare vz.58 rifle sales to AR-15 and AK type rifle sales in the USA, the vz.58 doesn't even move the needle on the scale.   Even though the vz.58 is a great rifle, the majority of military-type rifle owners are not interested in it.   And, the few people who are interested in venturing outside of the AK or AR-15 world will often refer to the internet for vz.58 information.   
Source: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49783.msg300395#msg300395

5,600 4 years = 1,400 rifles per year.

So through 2012 plus 2013 and 2014 = 8,400 continuing the trend across 6 years.
And doubling sales the most recent 2 years would be 11,200 over 6 years.

There were some rifles in country before Czechpoint w/ CZ-USA/Dtechnic markings, but uncertain how many...

Again, supporting the proposition that we've had a substantial increase in VZ58s and variants in one year due to the VZ2008 deals...
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on February 04, 2015, 04:48:52 PM
Anyone else have a Paragon marked receiver?  Or pictures of it.  We might have a 4th variant of VZ2008 receiver...  Thanks to CollectorVegas for research bringing this overlooked one to light.

I just received a new VZ2008 from Century Arms part number RI2149-X. Receiver is marked VZ2008 Sporter Paragon MFG Inc. Westfield, MA. The bolt carrier is not tabbed and the trigger dis-connector tab has not been modified. Only visible modification is that the bolt carrier hump has been rounded off in the area that contacts the dis-connector. I contacted Century Customer support and asked them how they are addressing the miss-fire (gremlin) problem. The person I spoke with was not aware of any problems with this rifle and told me to contact their Tech Desk. Sent off an email and haven't heard back yet. Don't want to shoot it until it is repaired. This is a design flaw that needs to be addressed.   
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: CitizenPete on February 04, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
Reply number 19

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49783.msg300001#msg300001

Wow!  How the heck did ya track that down? You ARE Daniel Boone!  ;D
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: DanielBoone on February 05, 2015, 01:03:40 AM
Haha - I do indeed do a lot of walkn in the hills of Kentucky ;)
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Brasky on February 05, 2015, 09:02:15 AM
No one has a serial below 0014X? I must have jumped on this train early
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: ShoMeMule on February 10, 2015, 02:58:22 PM
My first generation Century VZ2008 Sporter with fixed stock bought sometime mid 2012 is S/N VZ052XX.  Yes, that is not a typo, that's how many digits it has.  It is engraved on left side just below the rear sight.

My third generation Century Sporter VZ2008 with folding stock bought earlier this year is S/N VZ08PM-0018XX and is dot-punch engraved left side down by the magazine well.

ETA:

Recently purchased Czechpoint SA vz.58 Sporter .223 Rem Pistol S/N 56003XXCA.

Howlin
We have close ones. Mine with S/N VZ053XX, fixed stock, bought from a small dealer in Missouri.

Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: CitizenPete on February 10, 2015, 04:11:48 PM
So out of 920,000 originals produced how many are left in ze vorld? 

-1 This one probably got turned into a kit, eh?

(http://doctrine.vavyskov.cz/_casopis/2012_2/obr_r_5d_4.png)
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: DanielBoone on February 10, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
Ok - gonna need the story on that one?!?
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Enthusiasm on February 10, 2015, 09:30:00 PM
I know how the story ended, BOOM. MY FACE!!! AAAAHHHHH!!
Where safety glasses people!
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: vzman on May 20, 2015, 12:35:23 AM
I have the 3rd generation vz08pm 009??? could you all tell me if they did anything for the gremlin fix on this generation and what about year and if it was beginning of the year or later in the year thanks for sharing your thoughts on this I would really appreciate it thanks again
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: vzman on May 20, 2015, 12:41:09 AM
I meant the year  century built it sorry but the gremlin is what I'm really  trying to find out if they did anything  for it thanks again you all have been great and I am happy to be apart of this forum
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on May 20, 2015, 03:28:08 AM
Read the stickied gremlin thread.  You need a tab.  Contact ForcedMarch -- also a sticky.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: 98chrysler on May 24, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
Anyone else have a Paragon marked receiver?  Or pictures of it.  We might have a 4th variant of VZ2008 receiver...  Thanks to CollectorVegas for research bringing this overlooked one to light.

I just received a new VZ2008 from Century Arms part number RI2149-X. Receiver is marked VZ2008 Sporter Paragon MFG Inc. Westfield, MA. The bolt carrier is not tabbed and the trigger dis-connector tab has not been modified. Only visible modification is that the bolt carrier hump has been rounded off in the area that contacts the dis-connector. I contacted Century Customer support and asked them how they are addressing the miss-fire (gremlin) problem. The person I spoke with was not aware of any problems with this rifle and told me to contact their Tech Desk. Sent off an email and haven't heard back yet. Don't want to shoot it until it is repaired. This is a design flaw that needs to be addressed.   
One of mine is marked Paragon.  S/N VZ08-0016XPM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/red98turboneon/Ngu%20Stuff/2015-05-24%2010.27.29_zpsptohlshe.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/red98turboneon/media/Ngu%20Stuff/2015-05-24%2010.27.29_zpsptohlshe.png.html)
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: puro on August 03, 2015, 09:30:24 PM
I bought one from classicfirearms last week and received a rifle with a receiver marked paragon mfg inc.

The disconnector is not modified and the bolt carrier  has been rounded off on the disconnector side.

http://imgur.com/a/eWmpT

I experienced the gremlin today firing it for the 2nd time. Hopefully forcedmarch fabrication can fix it up for me.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: CitizenPete on August 03, 2015, 09:34:16 PM
I bought one from classicfirearms last week and received a rifle with a receiver marked paragon mfg inc.

The disconnector is not modified and the bolt carrier  has been rounded off on the disconnector side.

http://imgur.com/a/eWmpT (http://imgur.com/a/eWmpT)

I experienced the gremlin today firing it for the 2nd time. Hopefully forcedmarch fabrication can fix it up for me.


That rounded carrier is interesting, and it must be rare.  Do you know the history behind that?  Seems like it would help perpetuate the gremlin, no?

Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on August 04, 2015, 03:30:20 PM
Weird and possibly dangerous modification there... 

Essentially, that part trips the disconnector bulge to release the sear up, grabbing the striker...  Without it working properly, the disconnector wouldn't be tripped allowing the carrier to continue forward... 

There shouldn't be an out of battery risk here, but there's absolutely a runaway slam fire full auto risk here (with the wrong/right ammo) if the carrier isn't tripping the disconnector...

I don't know why they wouldn't modify the disconnector vs the carrier...
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on April 20, 2016, 06:39:16 PM
Update:

OOW: 500

Dtechnic/CZ USA: Unknown

Ohio Rapid Fire: Unknown

CNC Warrior: Unknown, but usually they do receiver runs in relatively small quantities.  Guesstimate <500.

Century:
1st Gen, VZ0011XX (~1,100 Lowest serial number in this thread)
1st Gen, VZ053XX (~5,300 highest serial number in this thread)
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2nd Gen, VZ08 - 003xxBR (~300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
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3rd Gen, VZ08pm - 0014x (~100 Lowest serial number shared in this thread)
3rd Gen, VZ08PM - 01089x (~10,800 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================
4th Gen,  VZ08-0016x PM
4th Gen (from Atlantic Firearms Listing), VZ08-0026x PM
====================================================

Custom Builds/Parts Kits: Unknown
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: ethangsmith on November 18, 2017, 02:35:15 PM
I just got a VZ2008 with a serial # VZ002XX. It seems to fall outside any of the above ranges. There was a slip in the box with a date of 11/06/2008 on it. Any idea what gen and also if there's anything on it I should watch out for (Issues, barrel size, etc.)???
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Backwoodsraider on November 19, 2017, 05:56:58 AM
3rd gen - vz08pm-0134xx
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: ethangsmith on November 29, 2017, 06:29:54 PM
It is most likely a 1st gen, but my number is lower than what's listed in the above posts for a 1st gen.

Also, can anyone tell me who made the receiver on my 2008? It only has a small area milled out below the safety unlike most 2008's and 58's.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: Dzldust on July 16, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
Vz08PM-0113xx
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 02, 2019, 05:33:35 PM
Update:

OOW: 500

Dtechnic/CZ USA: Unknown

Ohio Rapid Fire: Unknown

CNC Warrior: Unknown, but usually they do receiver runs in relatively small quantities.  Guesstimate <500.

Century:
1st Gen, VZ0011XX (~1,100 Lowest serial number in this thread)
1st Gen, VZ053XX (~5,300 highest serial number in this thread)
====================================================
2nd Gen, VZ08 - 003xxBR (~300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================
3rd Gen, VZ08pm - 0014x (~100 Lowest serial number shared in this thread)
3rd Gen, Vz08PM-0113xx  (~11,300 highest serial number shared in this thread)
====================================================
4th Gen,  VZ08-0016x PM
4th Gen (from Atlantic Firearms Listing), VZ08-0026x PM
====================================================

Custom Builds/Parts Kits: Unknown
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: ASRSPR on September 11, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
I picked up one of the CAI VZ2008s that Cabelas briefly put up for sale a few weeks ago. Mine is VZ08PM-0137xx, which seems to be a fair bit higher than the 3rd Gen highest posted here.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 11, 2019, 09:49:36 PM
I picked up one of the CAI VZ2008s that Cabelas briefly put up for sale a few weeks ago. Mine is VZ08PM-0137xx, which seems to be a fair bit higher than the 3rd Gen highest posted here.

Thanks for sharing!  If you don't mind me asking, what were they charging?  $600 was what they last had them at I think but didn't see the sale you're referencing.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: ObiWanBonJovi on September 11, 2019, 10:33:19 PM
This is all just hearsay, but years ago I was told that the czech republic surplused 500k rifles for $10 each with a bayonet, mag pouch with 4 mags and sling each.  Century was rumored to have purchased 1/4 of them and thats where all the parts kits in country came from.
Many of the rifles were sold to militarys, Iraq certainly acquired quite a few.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: ASRSPR on September 15, 2019, 08:32:30 PM
I picked up one of the CAI VZ2008s that Cabelas briefly put up for sale a few weeks ago. Mine is VZ08PM-0137xx, which seems to be a fair bit higher than the 3rd Gen highest posted here.

Thanks for sharing!  If you don't mind me asking, what were they charging?  $600 was what they last had them at I think but didn't see the sale you're referencing.

$599, at the end of August. I think they were in stock for only a few hours.
Title: Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
Post by: RSR on September 16, 2019, 12:23:38 AM
$599, at the end of August. I think they were in stock for only a few hours.

At $599, you did good!

Were they the ones w/ the FAB Defense handguard and VFG (w/ Czech folding stocks), or were they beaver barf handguards?