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Title: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on July 09, 2017, 05:32:40 AM
Just curious what other shooters think. I have one 10 rounder for my 527M/CSR that a buddy hand made for me, that works perfectly. I like that for the "knock around" utility rifle that you take somewhere camping and you don't expect to do any real shooting. I was wondering if I was unique in wanting something like that. I do realize most bolt action rifles are target/hunting/plinking rifles, no war machines any more, and a higher capacity magazine might not be really needful for things like that. :)
Thoughts?

Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jameslovesjammie on July 09, 2017, 11:14:56 AM
YES!!!
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jkingrph on July 09, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
Not for me, I would rather have something like a 3 round magazine that would not  drop down so far.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jameslovesjammie on July 09, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
Not for me, I would rather have something like a 3 round magazine that would not  drop down so far.

James Calhoon has a single shot adapter that is flush fit.  (almost the bottom of the "Price List" page)

http://jamescalhoon.com/


I swear that I've seen flush fit magazines for the 527 before, but my google-fu must be weak today.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jkingrph on July 09, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Finally found it on Calhoon's website.  It shows two models, one for rimmed cases like the Hornet, and up to the .223 based cases.  It does not say if it will work with the 7.62x39 based cases like the Grendel though.  I may give him a call tomorrow and see.

I have one of the Bobsled types for my Hornet and it works great, but hangs down a bit, although I could cut it off some.  I did e mail CZ a question about one for the Grendel and they stated that the 7.62 model works.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: painter on July 09, 2017, 02:43:15 PM
Not for me, I would rather have something like a 3 round magazine that would not  drop down so far.

James Calhoon has a single shot adapter that is flush fit.  (almost the bottom of the "Price List" page)

http://jamescalhoon.com/


I swear that I've seen flush fit magazines for the 527 before, but my google-fu must be weak today.
Like this?

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-m1-american-223-rem-flush-mount-magazine/

I think it will work in any 527 if you change the bottom metal. There might be more to it than that.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jkingrph on July 09, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
That model is available in .223 only, and only with a polymer stock.   I wanted a 6.5 Grendel, and it only comes with the standard 5 round magazine and in walnut or rustic birch(or beech).   The bigger, fatter Grendel case would not function through a .223 magazine.  There was some rumor that the Grendel would be offered with this type magazine, but it was not to be.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Son of the Gael on July 13, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
I don't need a 10 rounder, but a 3 would be good.

A poster on another site has a 527 Prestige with one and it is nearly flush, bottom metal is different from my Lux.

Unfortunately the changes at Photobucket have made the image go away so I can't steal it.   >:(
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jkingrph on July 13, 2017, 05:55:28 PM
I don't need a 10 rounder, but a 3 would be good.

A poster on another site has a 527 Prestige with one and it is nearly flush, bottom metal is different from my Lux.

Unfortunately the changes at Photobucket have made the image go away so I can't steal it.   >:(

There is someone that offers a conversion, they modify the magazine, and magazine release along with modifying the triggerguard.  The do not offer blueing but cerokote the triggerguard after modification and I just don't want part of mine painted.

I think the Prestige you saw must have been modified, as the only one CZ offers is the M1 model with the polymer stock.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Son of the Gael on July 14, 2017, 02:08:48 PM
Perhaps, I'm also not sure how old it is. 
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Mildew on July 17, 2017, 09:22:26 PM
I'm planning on buying a 527 in 300 Blk when they get em in stock @ Buds.  I'd love a 10 or 20 round mag.  I wonder if the top oz a 527 mag could be welded to a smaller AR mag.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Brazos_Jack on August 10, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
Not for me, I would rather have something like a 3 round magazine that would not  drop down so far.

I'd like a 3 round mag in 7.62x39
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jkingrph on August 10, 2017, 12:43:21 PM
Not for me, I would rather have something like a 3 round magazine that would not  drop down so far.

I'd like a 3 round mag in 7.62x39

That would be great, as the 7.62 and the 6.5 Grendel use the same magazine.  My new Grendel came with a magazine with the follower stamped with both cartridges.  I purchased a couple of 7.62 mags and they work perfectly.   A 3 rounder would be perfect and if they offer some, I will grab a couple.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Nightcrawler on November 19, 2017, 01:56:09 PM
Just curious what other shooters think. I have one 10 rounder for my 527M/CSR that a buddy hand made for me, that works perfectly. I like that for the "knock around" utility rifle that you take somewhere camping and you don't expect to do any real shooting. I was wondering if I was unique in wanting something like that. I do realize most bolt action rifles are target/hunting/plinking rifles, no war machines any more, and a higher capacity magazine might not be really needful for things like that. :)
Thoughts?
Well, 10 or even 15 rounder would be awesome, it is a must for plinking/target practice (for me). A lack of magazine options was only a reason why I decided not to buy CZ527 or Howa-1500 but Ruger American Ranch bolt rifle in 7.62x39 instead, which takes Mini-30's 10 and 20 rounders. 20 is probably a bit overkill, the rifle feels heavy and unbalanced with that so it is good for bench shooting only, but two 10rd mags I use all the time.
CZ is losing some customers like me not offering bigger and smaller capacity mags as an option, imho.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: The Guardian on November 19, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
Simply.....YES......5 rounds is okay, but a 10 rd option would be really nice!  :)
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: TF135Sierra2Xray on July 01, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Absolutely!!!
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: arthurstearl on July 02, 2018, 10:42:17 AM
Absolutely!!!
It would be nice but a three round flush fitting would be great heck one of each

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Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Old-Duckman on July 04, 2018, 09:38:18 PM
No.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: jameslovesjammie on July 05, 2018, 12:56:07 AM
It would be nice but a three round flush fitting would be great heck one of each

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/13008_Mag-Cz-527-223-Rem-3rd-Flush-M1-Only
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on July 05, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
I wouldn't mind  10 round magazine option for the CZ 527 rifles in 7.62X39MM. They would have to extend down fairly far being a single stack magazine. A 3 round magazine for the 7.62X39MM would extend out about 3/8ths of an inch on a 527 rifle. The 3 round magazine for 223 Remington works just fine with modified trigger guard (bottom metal) of course. If you want a semi flush fit magazine for the 7.62X39 you have to settle for a two round mag or do some magazine follower modification.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on July 06, 2018, 12:35:04 AM
Yes, the only 10 rounder in existence does stick down a ways indeed, but it also gives a comfortable mag grip, too. Weird looking but perfectly functional. I was never much into flush fit mags, but I understand how people would like the aesthetics.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Taz575 on July 06, 2018, 10:03:27 AM
I would love some .223 10 rd mags for my 527!  I will be using it for coyote hunting and 10 rds is the limit for mags here in CT. 
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Cerephim on July 06, 2018, 10:02:51 PM
Yes.  I'd love a 10 rounder!  Mostly, I hunt paper.  I'd like to load up 9 rounds to shoot three 3round groups.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on July 07, 2018, 07:31:57 PM
With regards to the aesthetics of the three round magazines on the CZ 527 's. In my opinion only, the more compact the 527 the better they look with the 3 round mags. The carbines and full stocks look more natural with the modified trigger gaurd and flush magazines. The American models also look pretty good while the Varmint models look less so. I personally don't normally use a sling unless there is a good reason to. The 3 round flush fit magazines come into there own if you hand carry. The magazine location being the natural carry point. That said a 10 round capacity option on a rifle like the 527M rifles in 223 Remington or 7.62X39MM also have there merits even if they extend more than a little.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Starr1 on July 08, 2018, 08:33:42 AM
I'm very happy with the stock 5 round mag. I was never a fan of larger mags hanging down. Even in my AR15 I only use a 10 round mag. It's just me and most likely I'm in the minority.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Ron M. on July 08, 2018, 11:24:24 AM
I use my 7.62x39 mostly for stalking type hunts, anything longer than the 5 round mag would just get caught on brush and trees. I normally carry the carbine with one hand wrapped around the magazine when moving through heavy cover.

I've often thought about getting the action and some mags modified to carry 2 or 3 rounds and fit close to flush. I very rarely take more than 2 shots at any given time on a game or pest animal.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on July 08, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
I've done a number of three round conversions to my 527s. The only two that I have not modified are my 527M in 7.62X39MM and my 6.5 Grendel American. I just haven't convinced myself that a two round magazine is what I need. Heck I've even done two ten round to four round conversion for the CZ 452 Americans in 17 HMR and 22 WMR so the magazines fit more like the five round mags in a 455. I'm aware most people would prefer the ten round magazine though.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: 6MT on August 14, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
Yeah, a 10 rounder would be nice. But in a single stack configuration, wouldn't you think that would be ridiculously long?

My solution is to chamber a round, then add a round to the mag. Six is better than 5.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Gmmk762 on August 17, 2018, 06:46:33 PM
I?d buy one or two of them!
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: WorldSBK on September 11, 2018, 10:58:04 AM
I was about to ask the question ... but based on what I've read here, it doesn't look like CZ produced a 10-round mag for the 527.

No aftermarket vendor making them ? really ?

I got a 10-round mag for my 452 ... so i was thinking i could get one for the 527
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on September 11, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
The one isn't really long.

(https://i.imgur.com/iHN53aP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AFyyLt7.jpg)

Fits quite well and works perfectly. I wish someone would make a slicker looking one, but this one, while cobbled together, works like a charm. To the best of my knowledge, it's the only one in existence.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Austro on October 21, 2018, 08:29:57 AM
I would love to have a couple of 10 round magazines for the CZ 527 (in .223 Remington). Oftentimes I think about making a couple of them myself but then I don't know anything about this specific craft. How hard can it be though to make a (synthetic) magazine? I am thinking about creating molds for epoxy resin and DIY-springs.

By the way: Very nice stock, armoredman!
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Diamond Jim on October 23, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
For a bolt-action rifle....no. I lean the way of the three round flush fit brigade. It's a pity that apparently we have to change the bottom metal to accommodate a three round mag. Not so easy (or affordable) where I live.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on October 24, 2018, 05:18:08 AM
Astro, thank you, but I didn't build it. The gunsmith who did has, unfortunately, moved away from me for now. I would hazard a guess that someone could easily figure out how to "print" one that would work, if we could find springs that would work. Base and follower would be the same, just a nifty printed body. There's a project for Defense Distributed...
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Austro on October 25, 2018, 09:00:42 AM
Printed magazines tend to melt slightly due to the heat the gun produces - according to some sources.

The most difficult part is probably the housing I imagine.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on October 25, 2018, 05:20:10 PM
Being a bolt gun I cant imagine the heat generated as being a problem to the magazine, no?
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on October 25, 2018, 09:26:25 PM
If you look at armoredman's  ten round magazine you notice that it's made up of two five round 7.62mmX 39 mags. What if you 3D printed just the bottom half of armoredmans ten rounder? It would attach to a standard 5 round magazine like you were putting on the magazine base plate. You would need a hole in the plastic bottom 1/2 magazine to capture the spring and follower and then you'd slide it on like the upper steel 1/2 mags base plate. There would have to be a way of securing the two magazine halves so they don't slide apart in use. This is sort of like magazine extenders for pistol magazines. You would also have to make a proprer spring. Having the top 1/2 of this ten round magazine factory steel and the bottom 1/2 plastic would eliminate any wear or heat issues. You also wouldn't have to limit yourself to just ten rounds the magazines plastic 1/2's length would be more of a limiting factor. I know absolutely nothing about 3D printing so this is just a thought on my part.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on October 26, 2018, 02:08:38 AM
It's not a bad idea at all, and could be made in aluminum too, but some enterprising outfit...hmm, if the base of the factory original mag will allow the follower and loaded rounds through without issue. I don't have a mag in front of me to check right now. Interesting idea right there. Instead of making dedicated 10 or 15 rounders, magazine extensions with slide on lower parts and extended springs... :)
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on October 26, 2018, 09:39:21 PM
The bottom of the magazine body has two flanges that flare outward from the magazine. These flanges hold on the magazine base plate. Regarding possible interference to the magazine follower there is nothing in the way. The magazine follower itself may be a problem though. It is basically a bent piece of metal about 3/32nd thick and square edged. The follower is shaped like an inverted "U" and spans the length of the magazine body. It's the square edges that are most likely to hang up on the magazine/mag extender joint. If you made a follower out of something like Delrin plastic about 1/2 to 5/8 inch tall and lightly rounded the top follower edges this would probably eliminate possible hang-ups. The Delrin follower could be hollowed out underneath to keep the mag spring in place. It would also be fairly cheap to make. The height of the Delrin follower needs to be tall enough to span the magazine/mag extender joint and not tilt enough to catch. It also needs the relief cuts for the half moon magazine stiffener/cartridge recoil shoulder that are pressed into the magazine body on each side. I've made it sound more complicated than it is in reality though. It would be a pretty simple piece.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on October 27, 2018, 03:38:32 AM
Well, my friend, perhaps you've found something that needs to be built. Fortunes have been made with smaller ideas. ;) I like the way you think. 8)
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Austro on October 27, 2018, 12:37:14 PM
If you plan to start a business, count me in. I could act as your European distributor and one of your best customers.  8)
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on October 28, 2018, 04:34:46 AM
I think I smell a business opportunity growing here. :)
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: david s on October 29, 2018, 05:59:27 PM
As I mentioned in my reply (#36) I know nothing about 3D printing. So this idea is up for grabs.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: armoredman on November 02, 2018, 04:39:29 AM
Manticore? Could fit that idea on a weekend and keep it as an as-needed order item.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: No. 6 on November 17, 2018, 09:42:29 AM
Wouldn't mind one or two myself.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: driller212 on April 24, 2019, 09:39:50 PM
We need 10rd mags in Canada. Someone could make some bucks on this. I would buy a few for sure.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: memeslutte069 on July 27, 2019, 03:57:14 PM
Went looking for this, found this thread. Pretty clear I wont get my hands on one I suppose - which is fine. Just throwing my hat in the ring for what its worth.

Would love to buy a 10 rounder. Not interested in paying premium for a factory 5 rounder. In my opinion the magazine is the least compelling or logical feature of the 527 (at least mine, a 7.62 carbine). Single stack 7.62 is a mild (mild) annoyance to load yet 5 rounds is not a compelling reason to own more mags. On top of that if we're talking about ~5 rounds, I'd rather have a built in standard double stack internal magazine which would certainly fit 5 and reduce needless complication. I prefer pushing down rounds into an internal double stack mag than loading a removable single stack. Also, while its very clear it was designed with a relief in the extractor to single feed, its still uncomfortable to single feed due to the mauser controlled feed. I like single loading at the range but I tend not to with this because of the nature of controlled feed combined with feed lips of a detachable mag. If I single load and I snap that little thing I'll have no one to blame but myself.

I realize I'm splitting hairs here and I hope its clear that I am, but if the president of CZ came to my door and asked me my opinion that would be it. On the other hand if 10 rounders were available then having a detachable magazine is suddenly much more worthwhile conceptually.
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: driller212 on September 06, 2019, 06:40:02 PM
how has this not happened yet?
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: crosstimbers on September 09, 2019, 07:00:48 AM
In a word, yes. Or maybe "sure, why not" would sum it up better for me.

I like the five round mags, though many do not. Have I ever wished for a hinged floorplate instead? Yes, but the magazines don't bother me, and actually have some advantages. So, why not a ten-rounder too?
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Bender01 on September 10, 2019, 04:25:11 PM
I would love half a dozen! Yes!
Title: Re: would people like 10 round 527 magazines?
Post by: Austro on September 11, 2019, 10:33:21 AM
Hello,

I received my new 527 Carbine Synthetic today and I noticed something different. There is a gap now between the trigger guard and the magazine: https://i.imgur.com/p92WTRy.jpg

The "old" model (still advertised on the European CZ website) doesn't have that gap: https://www.czub.cz/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/z/cz_527_m_carbine_12898.png

Maybe that could be a hint towards a 10 round magazine (allowing to create a double stack magazine after protruding out the magazine well).