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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: No. 6 on September 14, 2018, 10:26:27 AM

Title: Optics
Post by: No. 6 on September 14, 2018, 10:26:27 AM
It's getting to be time to think about an optic for the Scorpion.

So...

What do you run?  And why did you choose it?
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: sboone on September 14, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
PA micro dot, got it on Black Friday sale. They?re decent enough for a cheap red dot but eventually I?m gonna get a duty grade optic of some sort
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Hemiscorpius lepturus on September 14, 2018, 11:26:32 PM
Mepro RDS Pro

milspec durability
submersible
massive rectangular FOV
single AA battery power
QD mount included
large, glove usable control knob
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Rogal Dorn on September 15, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
Depends on what the gun is intended; life and liberty equals aimpoint maybe trijicon, fun range toy/blaster equals PA, Holosun, etc. (no shade at PA and the like, got one myself.)


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Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Border Dave on September 15, 2018, 08:17:34 PM
I started out with a TRS-25 and got tired of the battery dying, so I switched to a Holosun 510c that automatically turns itself on and off.  The battery should last for years.

https://holosun.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=25

They can be had all over the internet for less than $300.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: TheMO on September 15, 2018, 09:52:30 PM
I have a Vortex Sparc 2 on the Scorpion because I had it. Any microdot fits very well on these.  Low mount will cowitness with the stock sights.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Mr.E.G. on September 16, 2018, 09:59:39 PM
I've tried two cheap optics but had them both fail. It's Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon or bust, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: GearFondler on September 17, 2018, 04:30:17 AM
I've tried two cheap optics but had them both fail. It's Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon or bust, I'm afraid.
I'm very happy with my Leupold DPP and I feel very confident adding it to your list.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: czfan12 on September 17, 2018, 07:54:33 AM
Vortex Spitfire 1x (the original, not the AR version).  I chose it because I have an astigmatism, plus I like the idea of an etched reticle so battery failure isn't a big issue. 
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: No. 6 on September 17, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Thanks guys, this is exactly the info I'm looking for.  Keep 'em coming!   :)
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: akuser47 on September 17, 2018, 07:06:23 PM
SparcII on mine no regrets works great and awesome value for the money.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: ARP on September 17, 2018, 09:23:07 PM
I have the Holosun 403B, has the auto on off, 50k hours of operation, shuts down if sitting still for at least an hour which is adjustable to stay on 8 hours. Small, compact, clear, brightness adjustable, easy to adjust. I have one on an AR as well. Last one was $139. If you are concerned about a unit being fragile or lacking in longevity,  buy from Brownell's, no hassle returns on virtually anything except ammo.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: armoredman on September 17, 2018, 11:21:58 PM
Interestingly enough, the cheap TRS-25 Bushnell works perfectly on the Scorpion, cowitness and all. 
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: bravo5two on October 02, 2018, 09:04:34 PM
I went with the new PA Cyclops + ADM mount = super low height, perfect for the scorpion

(https://i.imgur.com/qiQPGSZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: romukom on October 02, 2018, 11:38:16 PM
^^
I have the same setup.
Here is my target at 25 yards and 75 yards. Is not great as I wanted. I can't complain  considering with my aging eyes.


(http://i.imgur.com/k0xUpa7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/flxRLvv.jpg)
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: bravo5two on October 03, 2018, 07:03:02 AM
Interestingly enough, the cheap TRS-25 Bushnell works perfectly on the Scorpion, cowitness and all.

The TRS-25s have probably the lowest picatiny mount of all for tube type RDS.  Most people don't realize the need to mount optics low with Scorpion platform due to the stock design.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: No. 6 on October 03, 2018, 07:50:24 AM
One change I've made is to go to Troy folding battle sights.  The factory ones were just a bit too low for me.  So I guess this opens it up some, especially for co-witnessing the optic.
Thanks for all the responses, still trying to figure out which one.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: GearFondler on October 03, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
One change I've made is to go to Troy folding battle sights.  The factory ones were just a bit too low for me.  So I guess this opens it up some, especially for co-witnessing the optic.
Thanks for all the responses, still trying to figure out which one.
I added Troy Micros to mine last weekend and they are perfect with my DPP on an ADM mount... They Co-witness like they were made for each other.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Naz1236 on October 06, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
I currently have an RMR RM06 but am considering the idea of trying the Holosun micro green dot.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: BG ARMORY on October 06, 2018, 11:56:31 PM
Cheap Primary arms. choose what ever red dot has the features you like the most.

Higher end, Trijicon MRO or Aimpoint T1
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: BG ARMORY on October 06, 2018, 11:58:38 PM
I went with the new PA Cyclops + ADM mount = super low height, perfect for the scorpion

(https://i.imgur.com/qiQPGSZ.jpg)

curious, have you had any problems with eye relief or eye box issues when shooting quick, or awkward positions. I've been tempted to get the 2.5x power for my Ak105 variant. But want it to still be functional if I'm using a Vtac barricade or etc in competition.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: No. 6 on October 14, 2018, 03:07:40 PM
Pretty much have settled on a Trijicon Patrol MRO. 

Thanks one and all who have contributed to this thread.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: GearFondler on October 14, 2018, 04:13:57 PM
Pretty much have settled on a Trijicon Patrol MRO. 

Thanks one and all who have contributed to this thread.
Great choice... If I hadn't stumbled on a deal for a DPP I was going your route.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Bgdawgrr on January 11, 2019, 01:20:20 AM
Late to the party on this, but I think the current best bang for the buck optic is the Sig Romeo 5.
High quality sight I?d put just a step below my Aimpoints.

They can be had for ~$120. I actually like the cr2032 battery version better than the AA battery Romeo 5X or 5XDR if you don?t need the dual retica. Its less than half the price and I have a ton of the cell batteries for other optics. 
Using the low mount, it gives a true cowitness, lower 1/3 with high mount.
Best part is 50k hour battery life due to MOTAC technology. 
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: ShakyDog on January 11, 2019, 12:27:11 PM
Late to the party on this, but I think the current best bang for the buck optic is the Sig Romeo 5.
High quality sight I?d put just a step below my Aimpoints.

They can be had for ~$120. I actually like the cr2032 battery version better than the AA battery Romeo 5X or 5XDR if you don?t need the dual retica. Its less than half the price and I have a ton of the cell batteries for other optics. 
Using the low mount, it gives a true cowitness, lower 1/3 with high mount.
Best part is 50k hour battery life due to MOTAC technology.

I just installed this optic also and would also recommend it as it just fits so well. I really like the Romeos.

Steve
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: AZ Paul on January 11, 2019, 07:43:40 PM
I will add the Romeo 5 as well. Added it 2 weeks ago and love it!
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: TwelveFourTwo on January 11, 2019, 08:05:56 PM
Vortex Venom. I like the open view of the sight and it?s small and low profile. I looked at a Romeo 5, that would be my second choice.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: BillyBobGA on January 11, 2019, 08:39:06 PM
Wow.... I am super cheap... got one of these and it works great!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075MCP3WQ/?coliid=I4Z6H05YRJT4U&colid=3AXTFCREDCAI8&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I imagine it's not great for distance but for me 20 yards is long to me. Guess it depends on what your intentions are for the gun

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Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Thunderstick on January 12, 2019, 12:19:12 AM
I had a cheap NCStar optic that I first put on my Scorpion.   I thought it would be ok for short range shooting.   Seriously, I watched the reticle move as I shot it.   Immediately tossed it and I also purchased a Sig Romeo 5 from Cabelas for $120.  Since it was after Christmas I had gift cards to cover the entire cost.    Quickly mounted and bore sighted it and then hit the range I confirmed I had her sighted in when I put 3 consecutive shots in the bullseye.   Waiting now for the next IDPA PCC match to run her through a competition.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Asylum9 on January 12, 2019, 12:25:06 AM
 I liked the trs 25 for range use but I found the peripheral vision looking through the sight to be very limited when shooting multiple targets. Once in awhile the dot would turn off occasionally (assuming battery engagement issue) while running through a mag. It's now on a 22.

I personally like and use the Eotech 522 on my evo. It doesn't co-witness but I'm not a fan of that either.

An older used Bushnell Halosight can be had for around $50 on classifieds. There the precursor and share most parts with the Eotech. They've always treaded me well and budget friendly. 100 x's better than the knock off eotech's on ebay
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Monty on January 12, 2019, 04:30:37 PM
Late to the party on this, but I think the current best bang for the buck optic is the Sig Romeo 5.
High quality sight I?d put just a step below my Aimpoints.

They can be had for ~$120. I actually like the cr2032 battery version better than the AA battery Romeo 5X or 5XDR if you don?t need the dual retica. Its less than half the price and I have a ton of the cell batteries for other optics. 
Using the low mount, it gives a true cowitness, lower 1/3 with high mount.
Best part is 50k hour battery life due to MOTAC technology.

I have a TRS-25 on it currently just because I needed to determine if I wanted to go with something really low to co-witness or something higher and ditch the factory sights.  I found the sight height of the Sub2000 unusable.  Low was not a problem so I've got another Sig Romeo 5 to mount up as soon as I can schedule a range trip to sight it in.  I've used the Romeo on a SA Saint and Ruger PCC without issues, think it's a great optic.  The TRS-25 will get reassigned to a 10/22.  I have no issue trusting the Romeo 5 on a home defense firearm with backup sights.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: rc109a on January 13, 2019, 11:50:01 AM
This is a great conversation to have, especially for us just getting a Scorpion.  I have read everything posted before and have limited my choices down to the following:
Primary Arms-advance microdot
Primary Arms-advance 30mm
Sig Arms-Romeo 5

I know all the above have been discussed, but I have not seen much on the 30mm red dots.  Too large or bulky?  Anything to avoid?  Thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Maynard on January 13, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
Pretty much have settled on a Trijicon Patrol MRO. 

Thanks one and all who have contributed to this thread.

Solid choice.
 
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Title: Re: Optics
Post by: rc109a on January 13, 2019, 04:39:13 PM
Has anyone tried the AT3 RD-50?
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Rogal Dorn on January 14, 2019, 10:09:13 AM
I would like to see a ACSS reticule calibrated for 115 9mm or sub sonic 9mm.

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Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Chuckinator on January 17, 2019, 08:10:47 PM
Holosun 503 gu, circle dot reticle with option for 2moa dot only. Bought 3 in the last couple of weeks for 150 per shipped from botch. Low mount is perfect cowitness on scorp.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: songmeesay on January 19, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
Holosun 503 gu, circle dot reticle with option for 2moa dot only. Bought 3 in the last couple of weeks for 150 per shipped from botch. Low mount is perfect cowitness on scorp.

Same here. Although I have 2 mro's on other guns and holding back to mounting them on my scorpion just so I'm  not tempted to buy a 3rd mro.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Wahoo9501 on January 20, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
I will add the Romeo 5 as well. Added it 2 weeks ago and love it!
Could have saved a few bucks buying the Holosun since that's what it is...rebranded

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Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Monty on January 20, 2019, 03:20:57 PM
I will add the Romeo 5 as well. Added it 2 weeks ago and love it!
Could have saved a few bucks buying the Holosun since that's what it is...rebranded

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Assuming you are correct, where do you find the Holosun branded version cheaper?
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: ShakyDog on January 20, 2019, 04:05:37 PM
I will add the Romeo 5 as well. Added it 2 weeks ago and love it!
Could have saved a few bucks buying the Holosun since that's what it is...rebranded

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Assuming you are correct, where do you find the Holosun branded version cheaper?

Agree, got my Romeo 5 for $119 shipped, I have not found any Holosun for under $199.

Steve
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: KinKzoo on January 20, 2019, 04:24:27 PM
Love my Romeo 5, got it for $105 shipped... Bought it from eBay and they are still listed on there for that price now...

I'm running it without the riser and it co-witness perfect without the riser...
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Wahoo9501 on January 20, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Looks like the 403GL is selling for $119 too so it's not saving anything over the Sig. I stand corrected. 

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Title: Re: Optics
Post by: safehaven on January 20, 2019, 10:19:47 PM
Anyone try the Vortex UH-1 on their Scorpion?  It seems like it might look big and out of place on a Scorpion.  I really want to try one though.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: GeneticallySwiss on January 20, 2019, 10:34:11 PM
We run a Trijicon MRO.  Nothing but joy.


GS
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Austinwolv on February 11, 2019, 02:57:58 PM
Vortex Venom MRDS

About the one time per year that I run it at a match:  https://youtu.be/sbZPtTYRseE
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: ShakyDog on February 11, 2019, 04:26:12 PM
I will add the Romeo 5 as well. Added it 2 weeks ago and love it!
Could have saved a few bucks buying the Holosun since that's what it is...rebranded

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Assuming you are correct, where do you find the Holosun branded version cheaper?

Agree, got my Romeo 5 for $119 shipped, I have not found any Holosun for under $199.

Steve

After a little range time I decided to take PSA up on their Holsun green dot and circle with 10 pmags.
I can use the circle dot to define the difference between close quarters and far. Just as I did years ago with Eotecs.
I will let you know how it compares to the Romeo 5.

Steve
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: lorazepam on February 11, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
Astigmatism keeps me from seeing a good dot, and the best bang for the buck to me is the Vortex Spitfire 1x. Needs no batteries, but has red or green illumination if you want or need it. Circle dot is fast and sharp for my eyes.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Cognard on February 11, 2019, 09:19:38 PM
i have a meopta installed , very nice red dot ....
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: KinKzoo on February 12, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
I enjoy my Romeo5 quite a bit... No turning it off or on... As soon as you move it, it turns on instantly...
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: adrian on February 12, 2019, 07:04:04 PM
     Hiya and thx for the thread, after seeing Austinwolf's video in this thread using his vortex, I'd buy it tomorrow if I thought it could get me to see and shoot as fast as he did in his match. At least the price range is such you can experiment with a couple to see if they fit ones style. Where else can 30bucks and your blue loc tight offer as much entertainment. Be well.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: ShakyDog on February 14, 2019, 10:48:13 PM
I will add the Romeo 5 as well. Added it 2 weeks ago and love it!
Could have saved a few bucks buying the Holosun since that's what it is...rebranded

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Assuming you are correct, where do you find the Holosun branded version cheaper?

Agree, got my Romeo 5 for $119 shipped, I have not found any Holosun for under $199.

Steve

After a little range time I decided to take PSA up on their Holsun green dot and circle with 10 pmags.
I can use the circle dot to define the difference between close quarters and far. Just as I did years ago with Eotecs.
I will let you know how it compares to the Romeo 5.

Steve

Wow, the Holosun 503GU Elite is awesome. Should have started there :-)
Have not shot it yet, but I really like it already. Sits low and co-witnesses just like the Romeo 5. Easy to see that they are manufactured in the same factory.

Steve
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Eschendorf on February 15, 2019, 06:53:21 AM
I got a ROMEO 5 the other day.  Zeroed it yesterday at 15 yds (indoor range).  Like the Highrise Mount. When I started it was way low.  3 shot increments got it up to center mass (started out about a foot low), 2 clicks to the right and spot on.  Ran it out to 25 yds and totally obliterated the head on a silhouette target.  First chance I get, out to an outdoor range and see what it does out to 50 yds. BTW, emailed Sig about the cost of a low mount and they said they will send me one for free.  Not to bad, eh?  When I get it, i'll see what the difference is.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: ShakyDog on February 15, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
It should have included the low mount...

Steve
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: nitesite on February 15, 2019, 06:02:09 PM
Aimpoint Micro T-1 ~ one battery = always ON for six years.  Low mount = easy cheek weld = lower 1/3 co-witness.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: Phaedrus/69 on February 18, 2019, 11:38:14 PM
Aimpoint Micro T-1 ~ one battery = always ON for six years.  Low mount = easy cheek weld = lower 1/3 co-witness.

Nice!  I have an Aimpoint on my Bren 805 but I'm having a hard time justifying a $600 option for my Scorpion.  Right now mine wears a Sig Romeo 5 which seems pretty good but of course is short of an Aimpoint.  For a while I was considering getting a Trijicon MRO but that too was a bit more than I want to spend on what's *** mostly *** my range toy.  Eventually I might get a higher end optic but I'll probably run the Romeo 5 for a while to see how it holds up.  Realistically if I need to use it for HD and the optic were to die the sights cowitness and it will only be 25 feet or so.
Title: Re: Optics
Post by: tanders on February 20, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
Waiting for my Holosun 510 to arrive. I know it looks good on the scorpion, hopefully it performs as well.