Anybody using heavier recoil Wolff springs?

[CzechLands]

The hammer has absolutely nothing to do with slowing down the slide from banging into the frame. That's the job of the recoil spring. That's why the aluminum framed CZ's have polymer guide rods, to help absorb some of that force. The deformation of slide to frame contact is where the guide rod sits against the aluminum frame. It's also the theory behind the DPM recoil systems, none of them involve the hammer spring. As cousinmark said, why try to outthink the engineers? These are combat handguns designed for hard use. The lighter springs are intended for competition use.

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First, we all have encountered guns with issues. An example is a newer Remington handgun, but others are out there. So I wouldn't blindly trust engineers.
Second, lett me ask you a question. Where does the force that pushes the hammer back comes from?
Answer: from the slide. And by pushing the hammer and at the same time compressing the main spring, the slide looses a lot of force.
So yes, the main spring plays a role in slowing down the slide.

[Epguy80]

The hammer has absolutely nothing to do with slowing down the slide from banging into the frame. That's the job of the recoil spring. That's why the aluminum framed CZ's have polymer guide rods, to help absorb some of that force. The deformation of slide to frame contact is where the guide rod sits against the aluminum frame. It's also the theory behind the DPM recoil systems, none of them involve the hammer spring. As cousinmark said, why try to outthink the engineers? These are combat handguns designed for hard use. The lighter springs are intended for competition use.

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First, we all have encountered guns with issues. An example is a newer Remington handgun, but others are out there. So I wouldn't blindly trust engineers.
Second, lett me ask you a question. Where does the force that pushes the hammer back comes from?
Answer: from the slide. And by pushing the hammer and at the same time compressing the main spring, the slide looses a lot of force.
So yes, the main spring plays a role in slowing down the slide.

So then by your logic, striker fired pistols wouldn't work since they don't have a main spring to slow down the slide?

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[M1A4ME]

A striker fired pistol slows the slide down on the return forward.  When the sear catches that downturned leg on the back of the striker and compresses the striker spring.

And, I have no idea what the weight of a slide is, say on a P10, vs. the P07.  Or the strength of the recoil spring on either.

One very quick way to get a feel for the work required to cock the hammer/hammer spring is to rack the slide with the hammer down on the slide/firing pin and then, when the hammer is held back by the sear, rack the slide again.  It's why new shooters, who complain about how hard it is to rack the slide on their new CZ, are told to thumb the hammer back first and then rack the slide.

[Epguy80]

A striker fired pistol slows the slide down on the return forward.  When the sear catches that downturned leg on the back of the striker and compresses the striker spring.

And, I have no idea what the weight of a slide is, say on a P10, vs. the P07.  Or the strength of the recoil spring on either.

One very quick way to get a feel for the work required to cock the hammer/hammer spring is to rack the slide with the hammer down on the slide/firing pin and then, when the hammer is held back by the sear, rack the slide again.  It's why new shooters, who complain about how hard it is to rack the slide on their new CZ, are told to thumb the hammer back first and then rack the slide.

Yes, I understand all that. My argument is that the purpose of a mainspring is for ignition in the FCS, not recoil reduction. The main argument is that you have to "balance" recoil and hammer springs or the pistol won't function properly. My position is, changing the springs will effect the function of a pistol, but you can change only the recoil or hammer spring and it doesn't particularly effect the other.

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[Practical Shooter]

You are right, each particular spring has a principal function and changing one will not really affect the other, but they still work together at reducing recoil, it is a side effect of the Main Spring. But lets imagine you are putting a crazy 20lb Main Spring, you will have ejections issues. The slide will probably fail to fully cycle.
On the other hand, striker fired handgun springs work together. Changing one will affect the other, which make it sometime very tricky to adjust.

[Leshka71]

You are right, each particular spring has a principal function and changing one will not really affect the other, but they still work together at reducing recoil, it is a side effect of the Main Spring. But lets imagine you are putting a crazy 20lb Main Spring, you will have ejections issues. The slide will probably fail to fully cycle.
On the other hand, striker fired handgun springs work together. Changing one will affect the other, which make it sometime very tricky to adjust.

By the way original CZ PCR main/hammer spring is 20lb.

[Practical Shooter]

You are right, each particular spring has a principal function and changing one will not really affect the other, but they still work together at reducing recoil, it is a side effect of the Main Spring. But lets imagine you are putting a crazy 20lb Main Spring, you will have ejections issues. The slide will probably fail to fully cycle.
On the other hand, striker fired handgun springs work together. Changing one will affect the other, which make it sometime very tricky to adjust.

By the way original CZ PCR main/hammer spring is 20lb.

OK, 20lb wasn't too crazy. Lets go with 30lb?

[Leshka71]

If you want heavier trigger pull then do 30lb. For me 20lb is too much. I went down to 17lb and my DA is 8lb 10oz.


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