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Offline jack76590

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Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« on: April 25, 2019, 09:54:39 PM »
I just had a failure to extract from my Rami with blazer brass 115 gr fmj. The case stayed in chamber with new round trying to feed into chamber. I was using original recoil spring and I have tried to keep count of the rounds fired. I estimate just under 1,000 round fired with the original recoil spring.

Do you believe it is possible the recoil spring was weak to point that slide went to the rear at increased speed and as a result extractor lost grip? I examined case and measured with micrometer and as far as I can tell nothing unusual with brass case.

Offline mecenas

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2019, 10:04:04 PM »
I do not believe it has anything to do with a recoil spring. It is most likely a weak extractor spring of perhaps a flake of gunpowder in the extractor channel.
Clean the gun well and keep on shooting.

Offline Tok36

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2019, 10:37:34 PM »
I would inspect the extractor claw closely and make sure there is no gunk in it. Surprising what can hide back there.
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Offline adrian

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2019, 12:29:02 AM »
     Hiya jack76590 and thx for your thread. To heavy of a recoil spring is more prone to cause the FTF you describe. Ya mention original recoil spring,assume you mean springs as the rami has two.And both should be fine with the ammo you were using. And less than 1000 rounds,and this is the first stoppage. So sounding like a fairy new gun,which should be fully under warranty, I'd always touch base first with cz-usa and take direction from their smith,at least initially. Could save your hours of time ,frustration,and even money trying to trouble shoot on your own dime.
    On page 10 of your owners manual ,if the case has not been ejected,they say the cartridge chamber,extractor or ammo are dirty. (WWB is the dirtiest I've seen) or unsuitable lubricant in low temp environment. The ejector runs best dry,i.e. without driving oil on it. Cz expects on avg of 6 stoppages per 15000rds,maybe its one of the six. Most pistol courses teach about the half dozen typical ones and how to react quickly to clear the gun and move on. Recall Jessica Lynch reporting her M16 jamming and never getting a shot off. So expecting a stoppage at the worst moment and reacting quickly to it is mucho important. I had enough rami stoppages that it was sent to the safe and occasional range duty. Be well.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 12:40:23 AM by adrian »

Offline Husky629

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2019, 09:45:33 PM »
I have had 115 Blazer Brass barely eject (more like fall out) from my SP-01 Tactical.  The 124 gr Blazer Brass does much better.  With the same recoil spring for the .40 and 9 mm RAMI's, I wouldn't be surprised if the 115's are marginal in the RAMI.  My RAMI BD runs 100% with 124 Blazer Brass (practice) and 124 +P Gold Dots (occasional practice and carry).
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 09:50:35 PM by Husky629 »

Offline adrian

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2019, 09:55:18 PM »
     Hiya and thx for the thread. And since the tactical is made for Nato/plus p loads it makes sense a 115gr won't always cycle as well. Unless one lightens the weight of the recoil spring. Think the cz kadet kits currently come with three recoil springs,low,normal and high velocity ammo. Be well.

Offline cousinmark

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2019, 07:58:01 AM »
    One thing to keep in mind as well is your grip. In general sub-compacts of all brands are more susceptible to issues if you get lax with your grip. That being said, the ammo, spring and extractor claw are all maybes?
    Some pistols do function better with certain ammos, some will eat anything. Was this the first Blazer Brass you've run? You're going to eventually need a new recoil spring, I'd suggest ordering a few new assemblies, the shipping costs about as much as the part, get a few. If you continue to have problems try a new spring with the same ammo, simple enough. Like adrian pointed out the extractor claw needs to be clean and dry, be cautious to not let solvent (especially CLP) get down that or the firing pin hole when cleaning. Gravity is your friend, keep the slide tipped down best you can while it's wet. I have a tiny angled brass brush and use 90% alcohol for the claw and magazine lips. A toothpick is good for digging crud out from back there too.
...Please don't be offended if this is stuff you are already up on, just tossing it out there and JMO.
Hope this was a one off, good luck Jack

Offline Dr.Juice

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Re: Can weak recoil spring cause failure to extract?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2019, 09:40:36 AM »
Don't discount the possibility of an out of spec case rim. High volume range ammo isn't always 100% made perfect hence the price. I had that happen once with Federal American Eagle 115gr. If it was happening with the HST's then I'd have some concern.