Purchased a new RAMI, looks used. Do they normally come looking like this?

[recoilguy]

There is something wrong with almost everything right? Companies especially the big ones are out to get you. That's just what they do.

I do not work for Sig but I bet they have a very focused and dedicated staff solely committed to QC. I bet they get 50 calls to 1 from people claiming  "THE GUN DOESN'T WORK" who aren't as gun savy as some folks on here are. So they set up a system to elimniate the 50 folks who don't know their platform from the few who do.

There are real costs associated with handling 50 faulty (or uninformed callers) claims to the 1 good (knowledgeable)one before they proceed. Sigs are already expensive and someone (customers) have to pay for the guns they "fix" that don't need it. The poster who said take a minute and take a video is a wise person who understands how to get things done in todays business atmosphere. The customer base for the product that Sig produces is expanding and they need to meet the demands of all the market segments they participate in. Which means making special edition models or custom finishes. The beauty of that is they still make the old school guns and so old school shooters can still buy shoot and own them. Will something occasionally go wrong.....Yes....is it because they stopped caring about their reputation and their customers, it appears some folks think so, I bet not!


RCG

[Vinny]

There is something wrong with almost everything right? Companies especially the big ones are out to get you. That's just what they do.

I do not work for Sig but I bet they have a very focused and dedicated staff solely committed to QC. I bet they get 50 calls to 1 from people claiming  "THE GUN DOESN'T WORK" who aren't as gun savy as some folks on here are. So they set up a system to elimniate the 50 folks who don't know their platform from the few who do.

There are real costs associated with handling 50 faulty (or uninformed callers) claims to the 1 good (knowledgeable)one before they proceed. Sigs are already expensive and someone (customers) have to pay for the guns they "fix" that don't need it. The poster who said take a minute and take a video is a wise person who understands how to get things done in todays business atmosphere. The customer base for the product that Sig produces is expanding and they need to meet the demands of all the market segments they participate in. Which means making special edition models or custom finishes. The beauty of that is they still make the old school guns and so old school shooters can still buy shoot and own them. Will something occasionally go wrong.....Yes....is it because they stopped caring about their reputation and their customers, it appears some folks think so, I bet not!


RCG

+1 on RCG's comments above.
If you treat people with respect (CS are people too); it's surprising how many will treat you in kind and go out of their way to help you.
CZ, Sig, HK, Springfield, Ruger; S&W, from time to time I've had issues with all of them. Every issue got resolved satisfactorily. Some took more than one try, but ALL got resolved with a little patience, images, and clear communication.
Give it a try! 

[CZSkins]

I reached out again to CZ customer service and the gentleman I spoke with was really nice.  Sent him pics and video, he says wear looks normal, but sent me the returns link to send it in for feeding issues and to look closer at the wear.

Now to decide on sending it in now, or one more range trip to see if it will work itself out.  Either way I'm going to try taking out barrel and seeing if a few types of ammo slides/out of chamber easily.

[MeatAxe]

There is something wrong with almost everything right? Companies especially the big ones are out to get you. That's just what they do.

I do not work for Sig but I bet they have a very focused and dedicated staff solely committed to QC. I bet they get 50 calls to 1 from people claiming  "THE GUN DOESN'T WORK" who aren't as gun savy as some folks on here are. So they set up a system to elimniate the 50 folks who don't know their platform from the few who do.

There are real costs associated with handling 50 faulty (or uninformed callers) claims to the 1 good (knowledgeable)one before they proceed. Sigs are already expensive and someone (customers) have to pay for the guns they "fix" that don't need it. The poster who said take a minute and take a video is a wise person who understands how to get things done in todays business atmosphere. The customer base for the product that Sig produces is expanding and they need to meet the demands of all the market segments they participate in. Which means making special edition models or custom finishes. The beauty of that is they still make the old school guns and so old school shooters can still buy shoot and own them. Will something occasionally go wrong.....Yes....is it because they stopped caring about their reputation and their customers, it appears some folks think so, I bet not!


RCG

I used to be a dyed in the wool SIG guy (I still own a few West German and early Exeter P series pistols -- none of which ever required me to call SIG CS). That is, I was a SIG guy until Ron Cohen took over and consequently QC took a nose dive as production ramped up astronomically, thanks in part to embarrassingly ugly / fey finishes and special editions, while trading off the once stellar reputation of their earlier guns that set the gold standard for performance. I guess the only positive to Cohen is that he made SIG highly profitable, unlike Kimber, which he ran into the weeds. However, I do not buy guns for how much money they make their manufacturers, only for their functionality and performance.

I will say one thing about SIG's "customer service": the idiots that I dealt with made me so mad at SIG that I ended up buying my first CZ! I've been a CZ guy ever since.

[MeatAxe]

I reached out again to CZ customer service and the gentleman I spoke with was really nice.  Sent him pics and video, he says wear looks normal, but sent me the returns link to send it in for feeding issues and to look closer at the wear.

Now to decide on sending it in now, or one more range trip to see if it will work itself out.  Either way I'm going to try taking out barrel and seeing if a few types of ammo slides/out of chamber easily.

Regardless, I would still go ahead and send it in to CZ and have them go over it and have the benefit of their experience and and expertise, just for peace of mind, if nothing else.

However, for your own edification, while you still have it, you might do the "plonk" test to see if the chamber is too tight. Clean out your chamber and drop a round straight down into the chamber vertically. If it falls down easily and makes a "plonk" sound, it's probably not a chamber issue.

The other thing you might check is for a badly knackered outer recoil spring or recoil spring assembly (which you would have to purchase new -- @ $15 for the whole assembly). How far does your pistol kick the spent shells out when you shoot it now?

Usually the outer recoil spring on the Rami needs to be replaced every 500 rounds or so as a maintenance item, but they're usually still functional way beyond that. It's conceivable that your recoil springs are so weak that they're having trouble bringing your gun back into battery. That would give you some idea of how much it was fired before you got it.

[PappaWheelie]

7/29/2018 Update:
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[CZSkins]

I reached out again to CZ customer service and the gentleman I spoke with was really nice.  Sent him pics and video, he says wear looks normal, but sent me the returns link to send it in for feeding issues and to look closer at the wear.

Now to decide on sending it in now, or one more range trip to see if it will work itself out.  Either way I'm going to try taking out barrel and seeing if a few types of ammo slides/out of chamber easily.

Regardless, I would still go ahead and send it in to CZ and have them go over it and have the benefit of their experience and and expertise, just for peace of mind, if nothing else.

However, for your own edification, while you still have it, you might do the "plonk" test to see if the chamber is too tight. Clean out your chamber and drop a round straight down into the chamber vertically. If it falls down easily and makes a "plonk" sound, it's probably not a chamber issue.

The other thing you might check is for a badly knackered outer recoil spring or recoil spring assembly (which you would have to purchase new -- @ $15 for the whole assembly). How far does your pistol kick the spent shells out when you shoot it now?

Usually the outer recoil spring on the Rami needs to be replaced every 500 rounds or so as a maintenance item, but they're usually still functional way beyond that. It's conceivable that your recoil springs are so weak that they're having trouble bringing your gun back into battery. That would give you some idea of how much it was fired before you got it.

Sent it back last week, she's in their hands now.  Hopefully they get it all figured out.

I Cleaned and took it to the range for the third time.  Now at about four hundred rounds.  Tested with GECO, Brazer Brass, Federal, UMC, and MagTech.  Same results no matter the ammo.  Definitely not ammo problem.  Tried drop test in chamber for all above rounds, not tight, in fact looser than  I would expect.  It's kind of sad the thing will require maintenance (recoil spring) by the time they've tested/fixed it.  I'm sure by then it will have 500 rounds through it.

If they can fix it, I'm probably just going to test it myself for 100-150 rounds to make sure actually fixed then buy a new recoil spring and sell the thing.

[MeatAxe]

I reached out again to CZ customer service and the gentleman I spoke with was really nice.  Sent him pics and video, he says wear looks normal, but sent me the returns link to send it in for feeding issues and to look closer at the wear.

Now to decide on sending it in now, or one more range trip to see if it will work itself out.  Either way I'm going to try taking out barrel and seeing if a few types of ammo slides/out of chamber easily.

Regardless, I would still go ahead and send it in to CZ and have them go over it and have the benefit of their experience and and expertise, just for peace of mind, if nothing else.

However, for your own edification, while you still have it, you might do the "plonk" test to see if the chamber is too tight. Clean out your chamber and drop a round straight down into the chamber vertically. If it falls down easily and makes a "plonk" sound, it's probably not a chamber issue.

The other thing you might check is for a badly knackered outer recoil spring or recoil spring assembly (which you would have to purchase new -- @ $15 for the whole assembly). How far does your pistol kick the spent shells out when you shoot it now?

Usually the outer recoil spring on the Rami needs to be replaced every 500 rounds or so as a maintenance item, but they're usually still functional way beyond that. It's conceivable that your recoil springs are so weak that they're having trouble bringing your gun back into battery. That would give you some idea of how much it was fired before you got it.

Sent it back last week, she's in their hands now.  Hopefully they get it all figured out.

I Cleaned and took it to the range for the third time.  Now at about four hundred rounds.  Tested with GECO, Brazer Brass, Federal, UMC, and MagTech.  Same results no matter the ammo.  Definitely not ammo problem.  Tried drop test in chamber for all above rounds, not tight, in fact looser than  I would expect.  It's kind of sad the thing will require maintenance (recoil spring) by the time they've tested/fixed it.  I'm sure by then it will have 500 rounds through it.

If they can fix it, I'm probably just going to test it myself for 100-150 rounds to make sure actually fixed then buy a new recoil spring and sell the thing.

Yep.

That's why, aside from a few old military curios and relics I've collected over the years, I don't purchase many used firearms. I won't deploy a used gun for self defense, unless it came to me in pristine NIB condition and not until I've function tested it thoroughly.

With a used gun, you never know if you're just paying good money to take on somebody else's problems.

[CZSkins]

Sorry for the extremely late reply.....

Got it back from CZ.  Polished feed ramp and chamber.  Tested it out, no joy, didn't get through second mag without same problem.  Stopped just short of going into battery by 1/4".  Sent it back for a second time to CZ, same story polished ramp/chamber.  Took it to the range, shot 200 rounds, many of which were fast as possible mag dumps into the berm.  Zero failures.  Took it back a second time, tested again with four different ammos and some mags with mixed four different types for a little more than 100 rounds.  Again Zero failures.  I am going to sell the gun soon, buddy might trade me a .22TCM from Rock Island for it, fun little gun, insane muzzle flash and zero recoil for a bullet traveling at 2,200 FPS.

Bad first experience owning a CZ, I am sure I will give them another chance, maybe a Shadow.  Glad they fixed it so I can sell it without any reservation.

[Vinny]

CZ Skins,
Yeah, Someone's going to get a good pistol now that you got the wrinkles ironed out!

I polished my feed ramp and throat, and that fixed mine too. Gotta brush-clean the throat with Hoppe's #9 after shooting every few hundred to keep the throat clean. Also found failure to go into battery caused by weakening recoil springs especially when new. That's typical of many short-barrel pistols where the springs have to work extra hard. Replace outer spring every 1000 or so now, and complete inner-outer recoil set every 3,000 and it's functioned 100% with over 6,000 now.
Added an RMR so it has longer range accuracy of a much bigger pistol. Yet it point-shoots so well for me at close range. You won't pry my hands off mine. She's a keeper!

[briang2ad]

Sorry for the extremely late reply.....

Got it back from CZ.  Polished feed ramp and chamber.  Tested it out, no joy, didn't get through second mag without same problem.  Stopped just short of going into battery by 1/4".  Sent it back for a second time to CZ, same story polished ramp/chamber.  Took it to the range, shot 200 rounds, many of which were fast as possible mag dumps into the berm.  Zero failures.  Took it back a second time, tested again with four different ammos and some mags with mixed four different types for a little more than 100 rounds.  Again Zero failures.  I am going to sell the gun soon, buddy might trade me a .22TCM from Rock Island for it, fun little gun, insane muzzle flash and zero recoil for a bullet traveling at 2,200 FPS.

Bad first experience owning a CZ, I am sure I will give them another chance, maybe a Shadow.  Glad they fixed it so I can sell it without any reservation.

It sounds like your CZ RAMI is fixed - no?  It now seems to run well.  True?  Again, I am just trying to interpret your last post. I DO think it is exasperating sending a gun back twice.

Remember, short guns HAVE more issues.  There are plenty of reasons for this.  Also - even my latest PreB had a stove pipe - now runs great.  I am fully confident with it now.  You are likely running a 100% gun.

Also - on the finish.  I watched the video and see nothing you don't often see with a new CZ.  The polycoat finish is 100% better than the cheap paint used in 1980s PreBs - but it is a 1990 fix, and is vastly INFERIOR to the Nitron used on SIGs.  Nitron is a surface penetrating treatment that wears and wears and even prevents corrosion when the black is worn off.  Polycoat (good paint) WILL rub off on metal to metal rubbing parts in a Jiffy.  CZ puts parkerizing under the polycoat and this helps, but also wears off.  Having said that, CZs are very nice guns, very reliable, and VERY accurate especially at the price point. 

[CZSkins]

Yep all fixed now.  Did three range trips with it.  One 200 rounds, one 100 rounds, and one just a couple of mags.  Zero failures in over three hundred rounds, I am pretty confident it's good to go now.  Still haven't sold it.  Love the looks of it, it's accurate as hell too.  You guys may see it listed here at some point, but I'll probably sell it on another forum I frequent more often if I do sell it.   I appreciate the replies guys!