P-10C HBI and CGW Triggers Compared

[Indy_Tim]

I finally got to the range this weekend and shot the CGW trigger equipped P10C.  It's definitely a huge improvement over stock and while I only put 75 rounds through it, it felt really good with no trigger bite at all.  I just moved the HBI trigger over to my other P10C last night and will be at a CZ shoot this weekend where the two will get side by side shot by a bunch of CZ enthusiasts.  In dry fire, it's hard to tell the difference between the two of them.  The HBI trigger might have a fractionally shorter reset but that could also just be the flat trigger feel making me think that's what's happening.

On a related note: We really are lucky to have the kind of support we do from companies like CajunGunWorks and HB Industries.  Both of these triggers are fantastic and neither of them cost more than $70.  I just installed a Pinnacle Complete trigger in my Glock 30sf and while it improves the gun a bunch, it still falls far, far short of the P10C trigger.  Plus, it cost $180 for the kit which includes mostly just factory parts that have been titanium nitrided.  The only real improvement is in the trigger shoe.  You can buy that alone for $125.  It really makes me appreciate guys like David from CGW that turn out beautiful parts for a reasonable cost.

[s0nspark]

On a related note: We really are lucky to have the kind of support we do from companies like CajunGunWorks and HB Industries.  Both of these triggers are fantastic and neither of them cost more than $70.  I just installed a Pinnacle Complete trigger in my Glock 30sf and while it improves the gun a bunch, it still falls far, far short of the P10C trigger.  Plus, it cost $180 for the kit which includes mostly just factory parts that have been titanium nitrided.  The only real improvement is in the trigger shoe.  You can buy that alone for $125.  It really makes me appreciate guys like David from CGW that turn out beautiful parts for a reasonable cost.

No DOUBT!

I can say without hesitation that, were it not for Cajun Gun Works' excellent parts and David's willingness to share information with this community, I would have moved on from shooting CZs to something else.

[Erikaxe]

So I've been running HBI triggers in both of my P-10Cs since they were first released.  I have the earlier version with the "fangs" at the bottom.  I received my CGW trigger last night and did a little video on it.  Just data points and initial observations since I had not shot it yet. The triggers feel pretty much identical in terms of pre-travel, break, reset, and over-travel.  The weight comes out the same too.  Neither give me "trigger pinch" like the factory one does.  The only caveat about the CGW trigger is that the trigger safety spring isn't captured.  You have to use the pre-travel adjustment screw to prevent the trigger from going to far forward and releasing the safety.  It happens around 4:55 in the video.  The HBI has a raised boss that serves the same purpose, though obviously not adjustable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_JbK4rcn8

I shot it a bit today along with my M&P and Glock.  I didn't notice any difference in performance with the CGW vs the HBI trigger.  I think the flat, wide profile of the HBI trigger is better suited to people who shoot with the pad of their finger.  If you shoot with the first joint, the rounded profile of the CGW might be more comfortable.  While the trigger distance is the same between the two, the HBI feels longer since your finger has to go a farther distance around the 90 degree corner instead of the rounded corner on the CGW. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuqK3lFqkbs

Finally installed the CGW trigger.  It replaced my HBI trigger.  I had the exact same pull weight with the CGW trigger that I had with the HBI trigger (3.5 lbs).  I am using the lightest striker spring provided by HBI.  Ultimately, both are awesome triggers.  I do find the CGW trigger to be more comfortable, and for the record, I do enjoy flat triggers.  The big difference for me is that with the adjustable screw, I was able to eliminate ALL pretravel with the CGW trigger.  There is zero uptake.  I am very pleased.  The CGW trigger is here to stay.

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[Lostinthewoods]

Finally installed the CGW trigger.  It replaced my HBI trigger.  I had the exact same pull weight with the CGW trigger that I had with the HBI trigger (3.5 lbs).  I am using the lightest striker spring provided by HBI.  Ultimately, both are awesome triggers.  I do find the CGW trigger to be more comfortable, and for the record, I do enjoy flat triggers.  The big difference for me is that with the adjustable screw, I was able to eliminate ALL pretravel with the CGW trigger.  There is zero uptake.  I am very pleased.  The CGW trigger is here to stay.

I'm curious.  With all of the take up removed is the striker block now effectively disabled?  That would be no bueno.

[earlan357]

I'm curious.  With all of the take up removed is the striker block now effectively disabled?  That would be no bueno.

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The striker block operation is unaffected.  The trigger bar doesn't touch the striker block until well after the trigger safety is clear of the frame.

[schmeky]

The striker block operation is unaffected.  The trigger bar doesn't touch the striker block until well after the trigger safety is clear of the frame

This is correct.  We don't sell any products that disable or affect any built in safety device.

[aflevine]

I'd appreciate some advice.  With great anticipation, I literally just acquired a new P-10C circa October 2018 via GB.  The trigger take-up has a long gritty feel, which is both tactile and audible.  So, I'm looking at available enhancements.  I'm leaning towards the CGW trigger.  However, I don't think of G10 rubbing together as being low friction.  Is there a bearing or some kind of sleeve between the safety lever and trigger face?  Is the G10 bonded to aluminum?  Most critically, does the new trigger get rid of that grittiness or is that more a function of polishing?  I'm going to polish anyway, but am trying to benefit from the experience of people here.

[aflevine]

I did the polish.  A fun three-hour project.  Hat's off to Earl An for the great YouTube.  Trigger is a now noticeably crisper and lighter, but the gritty take-up is a thing.  I then put a drop of Ballistol on each side of the trigger at the top, trying to get oil into the trigger and safety lever.  That reduced the grit, though it's still there.  However, that also made me very optimistic that a new improved trigger would eliminate the grittiness.

Even with a gritty take-up, this trigger is vastly better than my Glock!  The gun itself has such great ergonomics. No regrets on the purchase.  Happy to make this my EDC.

[aflevine]

So, I'm staring at the stock trigger and just noticed that the trigger pin was sitting a hair proud on the left side.  It was the end of that pin that was rubbing on the pistol frame during take-up, which was what I was hearing and feeling.  I really wished I had seen that while I had the pistol apart initially.  Regardless, I decided on the gold HBI trigger sold by CZCustom.  It just arrived and is now installed.  Something about black and gold that's special here in New Orleans.  Besides, after breaking in the barrel, I'm thinking of having it TiN coated gold too.

There are many like it, but this one is mine.   Now, just waiting on my new optic to arrive to send the slide off for milling.